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Re: Mission TX
Dennis Hogan
See Railspot message # 155520 for a photo of the depot.
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Re: Mission TX
texaszephyr
Not the former depot. Possibly a separate REA building. Maybe even a new one to look like a depot. The depot was much longer and more elaborate.
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On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote: Still standing? Still in use? This is the former MP depot, right?
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Depot theft
Dennis Hogan
Who stole the Bixby depot?
https://laferianews.net/?p=4054
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Mission TX
Dennis Hogan
Still standing? Still in use? This is the former MP depot, right?
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Re: Harlingen TX shops & yards
texaszephyr
Do you have an approx. year? I suspect during WW II. based on something in the photo.
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Can you find the clue? TZ
On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote: I think the building at right is the yard office not the depot.
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Re: Louisiana Southern #505
jthomasmet
I believe that is an early GE in the photo. It might be an 80 tonner. It is not a Whitcomb for sure.
Jeff Thomas
Denton, Tx.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> To: RS-TALON@groups.io Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 10:22 am Subject: [Railspot] Louisiana Southern #505 Whitcomb?
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Louisiana Southern #505
Dennis Hogan
Whitcomb?
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Harlingen TX shops & yards
I think the building at right is the yard office not the MP depot.
[https://archives.tamuk.edu/mods/core/browse.php?page=10&searchitem=rees ] 
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Meanwhile, along the Border...
Dennis Hogan
We don't hear much about the Brownsville Rio Grande Ry. so here's some news from 10/15/20:
https://www.progressiverailroading.com/short_lines_regionals/news/OmniTRAX-expands-Rail-Ready-Sites-to-Texas-short-line--61842 I like their diesel paint scheme.
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Re: Louisiana & North West RR
Skip Waters
Other misc. finds... TEXAS AND PACIFIC RAILWAY. . . . By Construction: 69.89 mi. Natchitoches to Shreveport, LA, 1901 Abandoned: 5.00 mi. Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, LA Natchitoches and Red River Valley Railway (4/27/1901) THE NATCHITOCHES AND RED RIVER VALLEY RAILWAY. . . . . . . . . . . . . Texas and Pacific Ry. Inc. in LA, November 3, 1894 No property constructed Natchitoches and Red River Valley Railroad (1/16/1895) NATCHITOCHES AND RED RIVER VALLEY RAILROAD.. . Natchitoches and Red River Valley Ry Inc. in LA, March 24, 1893 15.91 mi. Cypress to Natchitoches, LA, 1893 Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, LA Natchitoches Railroad (5/13/1893) NATCHITOCHES RAILROAD. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Natchitoches and Red River Valley RR Inc. in LA, February 25, 1887 No property constructed BAKER SYNDICATE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Natchitoches RR Inc. in LA, January 29, 1887 No property constructed Natchitoches Land and Railway Company (6/18/1887) NATCHITOCHES LAND AND RAILWAY COMPANY.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Baker Syndicate Inc. in LA, November 23, 1885 No property constructed More to come... Skip
On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 03:02:25 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:
Another follow up... From the rare book, "Louisiana - Its Street and Interurban Railways" Vol. I - Published 1962 Said about Natchitoches... From the Tax Rolls of the City of Natchitoches, "An 1898 map shows only the two miles of track of the Natchitoches & Red River Valley Ry. on 5th St. The tracks on 5th St. were built in 1893 by the predecessor road of the N & R. R. V. Ry. in an attempt to complete a line from Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, on the Red River." So did the N&RRV Ry. become a part of, or reach, the Louisiana & North West RR that reached Natchitoches in 1900? More research to be done... Skip Waters Dallas, Texas
On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 02:15:57 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:
I realized I didn't really speak about the L&NWRR part of the topic. I can't prove it right now, but I suspect the City Hall depot was for the L&NWRR connection from the north. As for a bridge over the Red River, I'm not certain, will do more research and find out. I will say this, the TAP line did go due north toward's the river before turning NW to Shreveport. And on the other side of the Red River there is an active rail line with a few Army switchers working a plant there. It appears the line could of connected at the river somewhere. By Bridge or Ferry I do not know. More to study and find out... Skip Waters Dallas, Texas
On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 12:58:29 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:
Well... I don't know if I know more... but, I can tell you what I do know. The other depot in Natchitoches that is used as City Hall appears to be for a line that tapped off the T&P or what later became the T&P. At the time Natchitoches got a railroad, it was a TAP line that connected with the T&P at Cypress, Louisiana. (I now see there is more T&P Louisiana history I need to go study.) The way the city streets and topography is laid out leading to the City Hall depot, it seems like the rail line came off the T&P, or off the TAP line (Natchitoches Railroad), just after 2nd street and ran down 5th street and then curved into the present location on Amulet Street. If you study a street map, you will see two roads side by side along this route. One is "lower 5th" street and the other is simply "5th street". Well, 5th street is the old right of way roadbed for the railroad line to the City Hall depot. Going to school there I always thought it was odd to build such a high road next to a second road along the houses. Then, I learned of the Depot and followed the right of way and it all made sense. As for City Hall depot as the first depot of Natchitoches, even though the plaque on the City Hall depot says it's the first one, I'm not so sure. The 1887 photo of the depot in the Natchitoches Times 2013 article (attached) does not match the current City Hall depot's architecture. Plus, the article says the first depot location was near Jefferson Street at the entrance of the University. This would make sense as there is a large swath of land near this location with doesn't account for why the street pitched far away from the right of way here... unless there were railroad buildings or structures there at one time? A depot perhaps? I also have a print from the 1983 Natchitoches Folk Festival (attached) which shows what appears to be the first Natchtoches depot set in 1910 next to an engine house or shed for the Natchitoches Railroad and the depot does not match the current architecture of the City Hall depot. It matches more closely to the depot shown in the Natchitoches Times article photo of 1887. Note another photo from 1900 (attached), showing the same train shed and depot (just like the 1983 print) describes the scene as this... Men with horses and train at tap line depot at Chaplin's Lake, Natchitoches, Louisiana. "This engine belongs to the old Natchitoches Railroad--Ran to Cypress, connected with the T & P local there. This location is the Railroad Crossing at Chaplain's Lake 1900." The railroad crossing at Chaplain's Lake is right next to Jefferson Street at the University entrance and the plot of empty land where this first depot would of been located. It's all coming together now... I have another book to reference about Louisiana rail history, but it's not easy to get to, once I do, I'll submit more info about the mysteries of the Railroads of Natchitoches, Louisiana. Skip Waters Dallas, Texas
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 08:08:45 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Skip should know, he went to school there. I’ve always wondered if this line was used in the John Wayne “The Horse Soldiers”. It was supposedly filmed at Nachitoches. TZ On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:
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Re: Louisiana & North West RR
Skip Waters
Another follow up... From the rare book, "Louisiana - Its Street and Interurban Railways" Vol. I - Published 1962 Said about Natchitoches... From the Tax Rolls of the City of Natchitoches, "An 1898 map shows only the two miles of track of the Natchitoches & Red River Valley Ry. on 5th St. The tracks on 5th St. were built in 1893 by the predecessor road of the N & R. R. V. Ry. in an attempt to complete a line from Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, on the Red River." So did the N&RRV Ry. become a part of, or reach, the Louisiana & North West RR that reached Natchitoches in 1900? More research to be done... Skip Waters Dallas, Texas
On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 02:15:57 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:
I realized I didn't really speak about the L&NWRR part of the topic. I can't prove it right now, but I suspect the City Hall depot was for the L&NWRR connection from the north. As for a bridge over the Red River, I'm not certain, will do more research and find out. I will say this, the TAP line did go due north toward's the river before turning NW to Shreveport. And on the other side of the Red River there is an active rail line with a few Army switchers working a plant there. It appears the line could of connected at the river somewhere. By Bridge or Ferry I do not know. More to study and find out... Skip Waters Dallas, Texas
On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 12:58:29 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:
Well... I don't know if I know more... but, I can tell you what I do know. The other depot in Natchitoches that is used as City Hall appears to be for a line that tapped off the T&P or what later became the T&P. At the time Natchitoches got a railroad, it was a TAP line that connected with the T&P at Cypress, Louisiana. (I now see there is more T&P Louisiana history I need to go study.) The way the city streets and topography is laid out leading to the City Hall depot, it seems like the rail line came off the T&P, or off the TAP line (Natchitoches Railroad), just after 2nd street and ran down 5th street and then curved into the present location on Amulet Street. If you study a street map, you will see two roads side by side along this route. One is "lower 5th" street and the other is simply "5th street". Well, 5th street is the old right of way roadbed for the railroad line to the City Hall depot. Going to school there I always thought it was odd to build such a high road next to a second road along the houses. Then, I learned of the Depot and followed the right of way and it all made sense. As for City Hall depot as the first depot of Natchitoches, even though the plaque on the City Hall depot says it's the first one, I'm not so sure. The 1887 photo of the depot in the Natchitoches Times 2013 article (attached) does not match the current City Hall depot's architecture. Plus, the article says the first depot location was near Jefferson Street at the entrance of the University. This would make sense as there is a large swath of land near this location with doesn't account for why the street pitched far away from the right of way here... unless there were railroad buildings or structures there at one time? A depot perhaps? I also have a print from the 1983 Natchitoches Folk Festival (attached) which shows what appears to be the first Natchtoches depot set in 1910 next to an engine house or shed for the Natchitoches Railroad and the depot does not match the current architecture of the City Hall depot. It matches more closely to the depot shown in the Natchitoches Times article photo of 1887. Note another photo from 1900 (attached), showing the same train shed and depot (just like the 1983 print) describes the scene as this... Men with horses and train at tap line depot at Chaplin's Lake, Natchitoches, Louisiana. "This engine belongs to the old Natchitoches Railroad--Ran to Cypress, connected with the T & P local there. This location is the Railroad Crossing at Chaplain's Lake 1900." The railroad crossing at Chaplain's Lake is right next to Jefferson Street at the University entrance and the plot of empty land where this first depot would of been located. It's all coming together now... I have another book to reference about Louisiana rail history, but it's not easy to get to, once I do, I'll submit more info about the mysteries of the Railroads of Natchitoches, Louisiana. Skip Waters Dallas, Texas
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 08:08:45 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Skip should know, he went to school there. I’ve always wondered if this line was used in the John Wayne “The Horse Soldiers”. It was supposedly filmed at Nachitoches. TZ On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:
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Tower 17 update
Jim King
The Tower 17 page on the Texas Towers website has been updated. --jk
http://txrrhistory.com/towers/017/017.htm
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Re: Off topic: Arizona
Nathan,
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May I please get a copy of your trip report? Tex Collins tex@meaux.net
On 10/23/2020 2:51 PM, Nathan Herring wrote:
Will be taking a week long Trip to Arizona next week. If you would like to receive my trip report. Please reply to this email.
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Re: RR&G - Special Photography
Tom Roise
Belts
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On Oct 23, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise@...> wrote:
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Re: RR&G - Special Photography
Tom Roise
Sounds like fun.
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Everett, actually the wiring may not be all that bad. The question is the condition of the roller bearings in all of the gears and shafts in the equipment. If they are not frozen, it may be just a matter of repairing or replacing the motors, vents, chains etc... Tom Roise
On Oct 23, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Barton Jennings <be.jennings3009@...> wrote:
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Re: RR&G - Special Photography
Barton Jennings
I've had several chances to just quietly roam the mill and shops
there, and always enjoy just the quiet opportunity. Several similar places have
lodging (B&B) on their sites and I have stayed at a few. Probably
the best has been Fort Edmonton Park with the chance to roam a large
series of restored villages and towns, plus the railroad and trolley
operations. Having a place to yourself for a night is neat - nice sunset and sunrise experiences. Bart
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:37 PM Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:
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Off topic: Arizona
Nathan Herring
Will be taking a week long Trip to Arizona next week. If you would like to receive my trip report. Please reply to this email.
Thanks Nathan
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Long Leaf Historical Series: Episode VI - The Saw Mill (Part I)
Here is the 6th video in our on-going series about the history of Long Leaf and the Red River & Gulf Railroad. This episode is hosted by long-time volunteer Chuck Lind and focuses on how the Saw Mill operated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7hbUweV5v0
Jason Rose <>< RioGrandeExplorations.net | Ferroequinearcheologist-in-Training Spring, Texas - MP 209.7 - UP Palestine Sub
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" - Wendell Phillips "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." – Sgt John Stryker USMC “Life is too short to deal with other people’s drama.” – Sgt Jason Rose USMC "It was free men fighting against the minions of tyranny, and the result proved the inequality of such a contest." -Texas Secretary of War Thomas Rusk - The day after the Battle of San Jacinto
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Jason Rose <>< RioGrandeExplorations.net | Ferroequinearcheologist-in-Training Spring, Texas - MP 209.7 - UP Palestine Sub
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" - Wendell Phillips "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." – Sgt John Stryker USMC “Life is too short to deal with other people’s drama.” – Sgt Jason Rose USMC "It was free men fighting against the minions of tyranny, and the result proved the inequality of such a contest." -Texas Secretary of War Thomas Rusk - The day after the Battle of San Jacinto
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NS 4002 through Amarillo
Nathan Herring
Hello All, I received word that NS 4002, a rebuilt AC44C6M with a Sonic the Hedgehog inspired Paint Scheme, was going to be leading the ZAUGSBD716L (Austell, GA - San Bernardino, CA) through Amarillo last Friday. I tracked the trains progress throughout the day becoming more and more alarmed that it would get darkness before the train got to Amarillo, which is what exactly what happened. I settled for 2 crappy videos of the train so I could at least say I was able to catch it as I was unable to find a location with enough light to get a decent look at it. Fast Forward to Monday, got word that 4002 was returning back east as the 4th unit on the ZSBAUG719L (San Bernardino, CA - Austell, GA). First check of the lineup was a planned call time of 5:30 PM Tuesday. By Tuesday morning, the train had made up some time and was planned out around 3. After one last check and seeing the train called for 1:45 out of Amarillo. I headed to Canyon as it looked like I would have some decent light for the eastbound train. My first train was the ZWSPPHX919L, a hot UPS pig train from Willow Springs, IL to Phoenix, AZ seen passing the Canyon ATSF depot. Next up was the eastbound ZABQWSP920L, a weekly UPS train from Albuquerque, NM to Willow Springs, IL that was just getting going after waiting for a signal due to a Form B ahead I had planned on relocating to the depot in Canyon to shoot the ZSBAUG, but as I tried to start my Dads truck, I discovered I had a dead battery. While waiting for my Mom to come give me a boost, I realized I had the wrong lens on to shoot the 4 unit consist of the SBDAUG at the location I was at, so I settled on getting a shot of 4002 only. As the train passed I noticed one of TTX’s “On Track for a cure” breast cancer awareness well cars near the end, so I snapped a pic of it, fitting with it being breast cancer awareness month. After that I got my boat from and headed off to get a new battery. Thanks for looking
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Re: Railspot Rarity #14
Tom Roise
Do they still have peaches?
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On Oct 22, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:
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