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Re: Mission TX

texaszephyr
 

Not the former depot. Possibly a separate REA building. Maybe even a new one to look like a depot. The depot was much longer and more elaborate.

TZ


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:

Still standing?  Still in use? This is the former MP depot, right?


Depot theft

Dennis Hogan
 

Who stole the Bixby depot?
https://laferianews.net/?p=4054


Mission TX

Dennis Hogan
 

Still standing?  Still in use? This is the former MP depot, right?


Re: Harlingen TX shops & yards

texaszephyr
 

Do you have an approx. year? I suspect during WW II. based on something in the photo.

Can you find the clue?

TZ




On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:

I think the building at right is the yard office not the depot.
[https://archives.tamuk.edu/mods/core/browse.php?page=10&searchitem=rees ]


Re: Louisiana Southern #505

jthomasmet
 

I believe that is an early GE in the photo. It might be an 80 tonner. It is not a Whitcomb for sure.
Jeff Thomas
Denton, Tx.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...>
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 10:22 am
Subject: [Railspot] Louisiana Southern #505

Whitcomb?


Louisiana Southern #505

Dennis Hogan
 

Whitcomb?


Harlingen TX shops & yards

Dennis Hogan
 
Edited

I think the building at right is the yard office not the MP depot.
[https://archives.tamuk.edu/mods/core/browse.php?page=10&searchitem=rees ]


Meanwhile, along the Border...

Dennis Hogan
 

We don't hear much about the Brownsville Rio Grande Ry. so here's some news from 10/15/20:
https://www.progressiverailroading.com/short_lines_regionals/news/OmniTRAX-expands-Rail-Ready-Sites-to-Texas-short-line--61842

I like their diesel paint scheme.


Re: Louisiana & North West RR

Skip Waters
 

Other misc. finds...

TEXAS AND PACIFIC RAILWAY. . . .
By Construction: 69.89 mi. Natchitoches to Shreveport, LA, 1901

Abandoned: 5.00 mi. Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, LA
Natchitoches and Red River Valley Railway (4/27/1901)

THE NATCHITOCHES AND RED RIVER VALLEY RAILWAY. . . . . . . . . . . . . 
Texas and Pacific Ry. Inc. in LA, November 3, 1894
No property constructed
Natchitoches and Red River Valley Railroad (1/16/1895)

NATCHITOCHES AND RED RIVER VALLEY RAILROAD.. . 
Natchitoches and Red River Valley Ry Inc. in LA, March 24, 1893
15.91 mi. Cypress to Natchitoches, LA, 1893 Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, LA
Natchitoches Railroad (5/13/1893)

NATCHITOCHES RAILROAD. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
Natchitoches and Red River Valley RR Inc. in LA, February 25, 1887
No property constructed

BAKER SYNDICATE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
Natchitoches RR Inc. in LA, January 29, 1887
No property constructed
Natchitoches Land and Railway Company (6/18/1887)

NATCHITOCHES LAND AND RAILWAY COMPANY.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
Baker Syndicate Inc. in LA, November 23, 1885
No property constructed

More to come...


Skip

On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 03:02:25 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


Another follow up...

From the rare book, "Louisiana - Its Street and Interurban Railways" Vol. I -  Published 1962

Said about Natchitoches...  

From the Tax Rolls of the City of Natchitoches, "An 1898 map shows only the two miles of track of the Natchitoches & Red River Valley Ry. on 5th St.  The tracks on 5th St. were built in 1893 by the predecessor road of the N & R. R. V. Ry. in an attempt to complete a line from Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, on the Red River."

So did the N&RRV Ry. become a part of, or reach, the Louisiana & North West RR that reached Natchitoches in 1900?  

More research to be done...

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas


On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 02:15:57 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


I realized I didn't really speak about the L&NWRR part of the topic.  I can't prove it right now, but I suspect the City Hall depot was for the L&NWRR connection from the north.  As for a bridge over the Red River, I'm not certain, will do more research and find out.  I will say this, the TAP line did go due north toward's the river before turning NW to Shreveport.  And on the other side of the Red River there is an active rail line with a few Army switchers working a plant there.  It appears the line could of connected at the river somewhere.  By Bridge or Ferry I do not know.

More to study and find out...

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas

On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 12:58:29 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


Well... I don't know if I know more... but, I can tell you what I do know.

The other depot in Natchitoches that is used as City Hall appears to be for a line that tapped off the T&P or what later became the T&P.  At the time Natchitoches got a railroad, it was a TAP line that connected with the T&P at Cypress, Louisiana.  (I now see there is more T&P Louisiana history I need to go study.)

The way the city streets and topography is laid out leading to the City Hall depot, it seems like the rail line came off the T&P, or off the TAP line (Natchitoches Railroad), just after 2nd street and ran down 5th street and then curved into the present location on Amulet Street.  If you study a street map, you will see two roads side by side along this route.  One is "lower 5th" street and the other is simply "5th street". Well, 5th street is the old right of way roadbed for the railroad line to the City Hall depot.  Going to school there I always thought it was odd to build such a high road next to a second road along the houses.  Then, I learned of the Depot and followed the right of way and it all made sense.

As for City Hall depot as the first depot of Natchitoches, even though the plaque on the City Hall depot says it's the first one, I'm not so sure.  The 1887 photo of the depot in the Natchitoches Times 2013 article (attached) does not match the current City Hall depot's architecture.  Plus, the article says the first depot location was near Jefferson Street at the entrance of the University.  This would make sense as there is a large swath of land near this location with doesn't account for why the street pitched far away from the right of way here... unless there were railroad buildings or structures there at one time?  A depot perhaps?

I also have a print from the 1983 Natchitoches Folk Festival (attached) which shows what appears to be the first Natchtoches depot set in 1910 next to an engine house or shed for the Natchitoches Railroad and the depot does not match the current architecture of the City Hall depot.  It matches more closely to the depot shown in the Natchitoches Times article photo of 1887.

Note another photo from 1900 (attached), showing the same train shed and depot (just like the 1983 print) describes the scene as this...

Men with horses and train at tap line depot at Chaplin's Lake, Natchitoches, Louisiana. "This engine belongs to the old Natchitoches Railroad--Ran to Cypress, connected with the T & P local there. This location is the Railroad Crossing at Chaplain's Lake 1900."

The railroad crossing at Chaplain's Lake is right next to Jefferson Street at the University entrance and the plot of empty land where this first depot would of been located.  It's all coming together now...

I have another book to reference about Louisiana rail history, but it's not easy to get to, once I do, I'll submit more info about the mysteries of the Railroads of Natchitoches, Louisiana.

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas




On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 08:08:45 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


Skip should know, he went to school there.

I’ve always wondered if this line was used in the John Wayne “The Horse Soldiers”. It was supposedly filmed at Nachitoches.

TZ


On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Back in 1910 it covered almost 121 miles from McNeil to Natchitoches.
This accounts for the other extant depot in Natchitoches, I think. The one in addition to the T&P depot.
https://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMQXTD_Natchitoches_Railway_Depot_Natchitoches_LA


Re: Louisiana & North West RR

Skip Waters
 

Another follow up...

From the rare book, "Louisiana - Its Street and Interurban Railways" Vol. I -  Published 1962

Said about Natchitoches...  

From the Tax Rolls of the City of Natchitoches, "An 1898 map shows only the two miles of track of the Natchitoches & Red River Valley Ry. on 5th St.  The tracks on 5th St. were built in 1893 by the predecessor road of the N & R. R. V. Ry. in an attempt to complete a line from Natchitoches to Grand Ecore, on the Red River."

So did the N&RRV Ry. become a part of, or reach, the Louisiana & North West RR that reached Natchitoches in 1900?  

More research to be done...

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas


On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 02:15:57 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


I realized I didn't really speak about the L&NWRR part of the topic.  I can't prove it right now, but I suspect the City Hall depot was for the L&NWRR connection from the north.  As for a bridge over the Red River, I'm not certain, will do more research and find out.  I will say this, the TAP line did go due north toward's the river before turning NW to Shreveport.  And on the other side of the Red River there is an active rail line with a few Army switchers working a plant there.  It appears the line could of connected at the river somewhere.  By Bridge or Ferry I do not know.

More to study and find out...

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas

On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 12:58:29 AM CDT, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


Well... I don't know if I know more... but, I can tell you what I do know.

The other depot in Natchitoches that is used as City Hall appears to be for a line that tapped off the T&P or what later became the T&P.  At the time Natchitoches got a railroad, it was a TAP line that connected with the T&P at Cypress, Louisiana.  (I now see there is more T&P Louisiana history I need to go study.)

The way the city streets and topography is laid out leading to the City Hall depot, it seems like the rail line came off the T&P, or off the TAP line (Natchitoches Railroad), just after 2nd street and ran down 5th street and then curved into the present location on Amulet Street.  If you study a street map, you will see two roads side by side along this route.  One is "lower 5th" street and the other is simply "5th street". Well, 5th street is the old right of way roadbed for the railroad line to the City Hall depot.  Going to school there I always thought it was odd to build such a high road next to a second road along the houses.  Then, I learned of the Depot and followed the right of way and it all made sense.

As for City Hall depot as the first depot of Natchitoches, even though the plaque on the City Hall depot says it's the first one, I'm not so sure.  The 1887 photo of the depot in the Natchitoches Times 2013 article (attached) does not match the current City Hall depot's architecture.  Plus, the article says the first depot location was near Jefferson Street at the entrance of the University.  This would make sense as there is a large swath of land near this location with doesn't account for why the street pitched far away from the right of way here... unless there were railroad buildings or structures there at one time?  A depot perhaps?

I also have a print from the 1983 Natchitoches Folk Festival (attached) which shows what appears to be the first Natchtoches depot set in 1910 next to an engine house or shed for the Natchitoches Railroad and the depot does not match the current architecture of the City Hall depot.  It matches more closely to the depot shown in the Natchitoches Times article photo of 1887.

Note another photo from 1900 (attached), showing the same train shed and depot (just like the 1983 print) describes the scene as this...

Men with horses and train at tap line depot at Chaplin's Lake, Natchitoches, Louisiana. "This engine belongs to the old Natchitoches Railroad--Ran to Cypress, connected with the T & P local there. This location is the Railroad Crossing at Chaplain's Lake 1900."

The railroad crossing at Chaplain's Lake is right next to Jefferson Street at the University entrance and the plot of empty land where this first depot would of been located.  It's all coming together now...

I have another book to reference about Louisiana rail history, but it's not easy to get to, once I do, I'll submit more info about the mysteries of the Railroads of Natchitoches, Louisiana.

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas




On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 08:08:45 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


Skip should know, he went to school there.

I’ve always wondered if this line was used in the John Wayne “The Horse Soldiers”. It was supposedly filmed at Nachitoches.

TZ


On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Back in 1910 it covered almost 121 miles from McNeil to Natchitoches.
This accounts for the other extant depot in Natchitoches, I think. The one in addition to the T&P depot.
https://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMQXTD_Natchitoches_Railway_Depot_Natchitoches_LA


Tower 17 update

Jim King
 

The Tower 17 page on the Texas Towers website has been updated.

--jk

 

http://txrrhistory.com/towers/017/017.htm

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Off topic: Arizona

Tex Collins
 

Nathan,

May I please get a copy of your trip report?

Tex Collins
tex@meaux.net

On 10/23/2020 2:51 PM, Nathan Herring wrote:
Will be taking a week long Trip to Arizona next week. If you would like to receive my trip report. Please reply to this email.

Thanks

Nathan




Re: RR&G - Special Photography

Tom Roise
 

Belts


Tom Roise
469-525-0930

On Oct 23, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise@...> wrote:

Sounds like fun.

Everett, actually the wiring may not be all that bad. The question is the condition of the roller bearings in all of the gears and shafts in the equipment. If they are not frozen, it may be just a matter of repairing or replacing the motors, vents, chains etc...


Tom Roise


On Oct 23, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Barton Jennings <be.jennings3009@...> wrote:


I've had several chances to just quietly roam the mill and shops there, and always enjoy just the quiet opportunity. Several similar places have lodging (B&B) on their sites and I have stayed at a few. Probably the best has been Fort Edmonton Park with the chance to roam a large series of restored villages and towns, plus the railroad and trolley operations. Having a place to yourself for a night is neat - nice sunset and sunrise experiences.


Bart

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:37 PM Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:
We would love to be able to run the mill for a demo, but it would need complete rewiring by someone who knows how to deal with the 1957 equipment underneath the mill.  In one of our Long Leaf history series videos, I am sure that we will be showing some footage of the vintage electrical equipment in the mill and the power house which is very interesting in itself.

The idea of a B&B has been kicked around a bit and is still on the table.




Re: RR&G - Special Photography

Tom Roise
 

Sounds like fun.

Everett, actually the wiring may not be all that bad. The question is the condition of the roller bearings in all of the gears and shafts in the equipment. If they are not frozen, it may be just a matter of repairing or replacing the motors, vents, chains etc...


Tom Roise


On Oct 23, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Barton Jennings <be.jennings3009@...> wrote:


I've had several chances to just quietly roam the mill and shops there, and always enjoy just the quiet opportunity. Several similar places have lodging (B&B) on their sites and I have stayed at a few. Probably the best has been Fort Edmonton Park with the chance to roam a large series of restored villages and towns, plus the railroad and trolley operations. Having a place to yourself for a night is neat - nice sunset and sunrise experiences.


Bart

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:37 PM Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:
We would love to be able to run the mill for a demo, but it would need complete rewiring by someone who knows how to deal with the 1957 equipment underneath the mill.  In one of our Long Leaf history series videos, I am sure that we will be showing some footage of the vintage electrical equipment in the mill and the power house which is very interesting in itself.

The idea of a B&B has been kicked around a bit and is still on the table.




Re: RR&G - Special Photography

Barton Jennings
 

I've had several chances to just quietly roam the mill and shops there, and always enjoy just the quiet opportunity. Several similar places have lodging (B&B) on their sites and I have stayed at a few. Probably the best has been Fort Edmonton Park with the chance to roam a large series of restored villages and towns, plus the railroad and trolley operations. Having a place to yourself for a night is neat - nice sunset and sunrise experiences.


Bart


On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:37 PM Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:
We would love to be able to run the mill for a demo, but it would need complete rewiring by someone who knows how to deal with the 1957 equipment underneath the mill.  In one of our Long Leaf history series videos, I am sure that we will be showing some footage of the vintage electrical equipment in the mill and the power house which is very interesting in itself.

The idea of a B&B has been kicked around a bit and is still on the table.




Off topic: Arizona

Nathan Herring
 

Will be taking a week long Trip to Arizona next week. If you would like to receive my trip report. Please reply to this email.

Thanks

Nathan


Long Leaf Historical Series: Episode VI - The Saw Mill (Part I)

Jason Rose
 

Here is the 6th video in our on-going series about the history of Long Leaf and the Red River & Gulf Railroad. This episode is hosted by long-time volunteer Chuck Lind and focuses on how the Saw Mill operated.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7hbUweV5v0

 

 

 

 

Jason Rose

<>< 

RioGrandeExplorations.net | Ferroequinearcheologist-in-Training

Spring, Texas - MP 209.7 - UP Palestine Sub

 

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" - Wendell Phillips

"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." – Sgt John Stryker USMC

“Life is too short to deal with other people’s drama.” – Sgt Jason Rose USMC

"It was free men fighting against the minions of tyranny, and the result proved the inequality of such a contest."

    -Texas Secretary of War Thomas Rusk - The day after the Battle of San Jacinto

 


--
 

 

 

Jason Rose

<>< 

RioGrandeExplorations.net | Ferroequinearcheologist-in-Training

Spring, Texas - MP 209.7 - UP Palestine Sub

 

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" - Wendell Phillips

"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." – Sgt John Stryker USMC

“Life is too short to deal with other people’s drama.” – Sgt Jason Rose USMC

"It was free men fighting against the minions of tyranny, and the result proved the inequality of such a contest."

    -Texas Secretary of War Thomas Rusk - The day after the Battle of San Jacinto


NS 4002 through Amarillo

Nathan Herring
 

Hello All, I received word that NS 4002, a rebuilt AC44C6M with a Sonic the Hedgehog inspired Paint Scheme, was going to be leading the ZAUGSBD716L (Austell, GA - San Bernardino, CA) through Amarillo last Friday. I tracked the trains progress throughout the day becoming more and more alarmed that it would get darkness before the train got to Amarillo, which is what exactly what happened. I settled for 2 crappy videos of the train so I could at least say I was able to catch it as I was unable to find a location with enough light to get a decent look at it.

Fast Forward to Monday, got word that 4002 was returning back east as the 4th unit on the ZSBAUG719L (San Bernardino, CA - Austell, GA). First check of the lineup was a planned call time of 5:30 PM Tuesday. By Tuesday morning, the train had made up some time and was planned out around 3. After one last check and seeing the train called for 1:45 out of Amarillo. I headed to Canyon as it looked like I would have some
 decent light for the eastbound train. 

My first train was the ZWSPPHX919L, a hot UPS pig train from Willow Springs, IL to Phoenix, AZ seen passing the Canyon ATSF depot. 


Next up was the eastbound ZABQWSP920L, a weekly UPS train from Albuquerque, NM to Willow Springs, IL that was just getting going after waiting for a signal due to a Form B ahead


I had planned on relocating to the depot in Canyon to shoot the ZSBAUG, but as I tried to start my Dads truck, I discovered I had a dead battery. 

While waiting for my Mom to come give me a boost, I realized I had the wrong lens on to shoot the 4 unit consist of the SBDAUG at the location I was at, so I settled on getting a shot of 4002 only.


As the train passed I noticed one of TTX’s “On Track for a cure” breast cancer awareness well cars near the end, so I snapped a pic of it, fitting with it being breast cancer awareness month.


After that I got my boat from and headed off to get a new battery.

Thanks for looking



Re: Railspot Rarity #14

Tom Roise
 

Do they still have peaches?

Tom Roise


On Oct 22, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

Oklahoma Central Railway Co. operated a respectable 129.4 miles of line
from Lehigh to Chickasha.  Some of the intermediate stations were Tupelo,
Ada, Byars, Stratford, and Purcell. 
The route was primarily constructed to transport coal from the mines at Lehigh
to Purcell in order to service 
steam locomotives on the Santa Fe, which maintained a division point at that location.

Stratford, the Peach Capital Of Oklahoma, still has its depot on the north outskirts
of town.  Relocated, of course.

Now you know.

[ORG 1910]


Re: Railspot Rarity #14

Dennis Hogan
 

Surviving remnants [source: Wikipedia]
Lehigh

The mainline of the OCR is on the west side of highway 75 as it enters town. At the south edge of town, a wye curved to the east to service mine No. 8. The tracks curved west sharply at the north edge of town and passed between two mine pits on a narrow patch of unexcavated ground.

Ada

Ada was reached by a 1.2 miles (1.9 km) long spur that left the mainline near the present location of the US-177 junction. The depot at Ada still stands on the west end of town.

Stratford

The Stratford depot is still standing on S. Hyden and is used as the city hall.

Byars

From the south end of Byars Cemetery a large wooden trestle over a creek is still intact. The line passed directly behind the cemetery and curves to the north about 1 block west of it. North of town, the great earthworks that carried the OCR main line over the Santa Fe are still visible, including some cut off trestle pilings.

Purcell

Buried in the woods behind a large metal industrial building are the remains of the bridge approaches over Walnut Creek. This wooden bridge was washed out by a flood at an unknown date. The only stretch of surviving OCR main line is in place across the street to the north of this, a single switch and hundred feet or so of track. The switch was the interchange wye with the Santa Fe's Purcell yards; after 1934 this was the only way OCR trackage was accessed to the West. As of 2015, this too has been removed and only the ties remain overgrown by trees.

Blanchard

The original depot was located between 13th and 14th on Main Street (present day 5th and 6th street and main) according to the Sanborn Map Company Feb, 1926. There are no remnants of the depot today.

Chickasha

The excellent two story brick depot and offices are intact and presently being used by the Chickasha newspaper on the north side of town. The OCR crossed the present-day UP and BNSF diamonds at an angle from the southeast and backed into the station.

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