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Re: Texas City Shay

Don Harper
 

It is.



On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Kenneth Cotton <kbcotton@...> wrote:

As far as I know the caboose is back at the museum.
 
Ken C.
 
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From: Christopher Zurek
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:03 PM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Texas City Shay
 

Whatever happened to the caboose?

Chris Z.

On 10/7/2020 08:00, Don Harper wrote:
That is correct Dennis.  The Shay was sold to the Knoxville outfit.  They will restore it and run it.  It is much closer to home than it was in Galveston. 
 
The loan to Texas City was a fiasco.  The Shay and a caboose were loaned in exchange for boiler work being done on the 555 Consolidation.  The company that said they would do the boiler work reneged, and the Museum board didn’t do anything about the contract being broken.  I initiated the effort to get the Shay and caboose returned to the Museum after it has been in Texas City for 25 or so years.
 
Don Harper


On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:
 
There are reports that the Shay locomotive on loan to Texas City by the Galveston
Railroad Museum is on its way to the Three Ramblers operation in Knoxville TN.

Any corrections to that report?

https://www.galvestonrrmuseum.org/fullscreen-page/comp-jiw1h9p7/34d85867-a93b-47f9-9138-a14fca3b14b4/2/%3Fi%3D2%26p%3Dh4cer%26s%3Dstyle-jivyb9rh
 

 



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Re: Texas City Shay

Kenneth Cotton
 

As far as I know the caboose is back at the museum.

 

Ken C.

 

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From: Christopher Zurek
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:03 PM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Texas City Shay

 

Whatever happened to the caboose?

Chris Z.

On 10/7/2020 08:00, Don Harper wrote:

That is correct Dennis.  The Shay was sold to the Knoxville outfit.  They will restore it and run it.  It is much closer to home than it was in Galveston.

 

The loan to Texas City was a fiasco.  The Shay and a caboose were loaned in exchange for boiler work being done on the 555 Consolidation.  The company that said they would do the boiler work reneged, and the Museum board didn’t do anything about the contract being broken.  I initiated the effort to get the Shay and caboose returned to the Museum after it has been in Texas City for 25 or so years.

 

Don Harper



On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

 

There are reports that the Shay locomotive on loan to Texas City by the Galveston
Railroad Museum is on its way to the Three Ramblers operation in Knoxville TN.

Any corrections to that report?

https://www.galvestonrrmuseum.org/fullscreen-page/comp-jiw1h9p7/34d85867-a93b-47f9-9138-a14fca3b14b4/2/%3Fi%3D2%26p%3Dh4cer%26s%3Dstyle-jivyb9rh

 

 




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Re: Texas City Shay

Christopher Zurek
 

Whatever happened to the caboose?

Chris Z.

On 10/7/2020 08:00, Don Harper wrote:
That is correct Dennis.  The Shay was sold to the Knoxville outfit.  They will restore it and run it.  It is much closer to home than it was in Galveston.

The loan to Texas City was a fiasco.  The Shay and a caboose were loaned in exchange for boiler work being done on the 555 Consolidation.  The company that said they would do the boiler work reneged, and the Museum board didn’t do anything about the contract being broken.  I initiated the effort to get the Shay and caboose returned to the Museum after it has been in Texas City for 25 or so years.

Don Harper

On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

There are reports that the Shay locomotive on loan to Texas City by the Galveston
Railroad Museum is on its way to the Three Ramblers operation in Knoxville TN.

Any corrections to that report?

https://www.galvestonrrmuseum.org/fullscreen-page/comp-jiw1h9p7/34d85867-a93b-47f9-9138-a14fca3b14b4/2/%3Fi%3D2%26p%3Dh4cer%26s%3Dstyle-jivyb9rh


Re: McKinney TX

Tex Collins
 

My mistake


On 10/21/2020 11:19 AM, Skip Waters wrote:
To me, it reads... McKINNEY - SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT STATION

see enlarged photo attached.

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 09:01:05 AM CDT, Tex Collins <tex@...> wrote:


SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT DEPOT

On 10/21/2020 8:52 AM, Michael North via groups.io wrote:
I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.



Re: FRIENDS OF THE GULF, TEXAS & WESTERN RAILROAD

texaszephyr
 

Ive got you covered. Because I’m including the GT&W in my Frisco book I have their complete roster.

I’ll dig it up when I get home later today.

TZ


On Oct 21, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:



A few years ago, I was given a very short roster of the FRIENDS OF THE GULF, TEXAS & WESTERN RAILROAD.  Thinking back, it may have come from the Baylor County Historical Museum in Seymour, TX.

 

At any rate, I can’t find anything on internet for this group/organization.

 

Does anyone out there in RS-land have any info?

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR


Re: Railspot Rarity #11

Tom Roise
 

Fascinating story.

How one man takes his millions and employs others with his passions...


Tom Roise


On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Barton Jennings <be.jennings3009@...> wrote:


Gerald....and others....
Here is a very brief history of the line from a project I have planned for the future....

From Pineville Junction to Alexandria Junction, the Rock Island had trackage rights to use the Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company, a distance that the Interstate Commerce Commission stated was 2.69 miles in length. The Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company (LR&N) was a project of German-born William Edenborn. Edenborn had invented the most successful method at the time to manufacture barbed wire, reducing its price more than five-fold and capturing 75% of the American market. He sold out to J. P. Morgan for $90 million and moved to Winn Parish in Louisiana, experimenting with farming and second-growth timber. On July 23, 1897, he incorporated the Shreveport & Red River Valley Railway Company, which according to the Interstate Commerce Commission, completed a “railroad extending from Shreveport, via Alexandria including the bridge over the Red River at that point, to Mansura, about 152 miles; a partially constructed main line from Mansura, southeasterly, toward New Orleans, about 71 miles; and a partially constructed branch line from Aloha to Winnfield, about 27 miles, together with certain spur and other tracks.”

On June 22, 1903, the railroad was sold to the Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company, also controlled by Edenborn. The Louisiana Central Construction Company was created to complete the railroad to New Orleans, done by December 1906. However, the line did use car-ferry barges owned and operated by the Angola Transfer Company to cross the Mississippi River between Angola and Naples.

William Edenborn had social and business connections with many of the industry leaders in the Arkansas and Louisiana area, and was a business partner with William Buchanan and Harvey C. Couch in the Louisiana & Arkansas Railway. While the two railroads were once competitors, in May 1929, the Louisiana & Arkansas took control of the Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company. During the late 1930s, Harvey Couch also gained control of the Kansas City Southern. He decided to merge all of these railroads and operate them under the Kansas City Southern corporation.

Bart Jennings

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:08 AM Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:

Here’s a “snip” from in the 1903 Rand-McNally Louisiana Railroad Map in my personal collection.

 

Shreveport & Red River Railway is #69 (tough to see).   It later became the Louisiana Railway & Navigation and is today’s KCS route from Shreveport to New Orleans.  The portion from Red River Parish and Ascension Parish was my territory when I was KCS Sales Manager in Baton Rouge, 1986-98.

 

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Thanks, Dennis, for helping me bring back the memories.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Hogan
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:16 AM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: [Railspot] Railspot Rarity #11

 

Shreveport & Red River Railway operated 82.9 miles from Shreveport to
Machen with 5 additional miles under construction. Coushatta was a station.
I'm guessing that is in a southeast direction from Shreveport.   Anyone know
for sure?

[ORG 1901]
Now you know.


Re: McKinney TX

Tom Roise
 

A building stands on that very spot today. Hard to tell if it was part of the original.

That whole area is about to be redeveloped. 
Into a brewery outdoor entertainment area.


Tom Roise


On Oct 21, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


To me, it reads... McKINNEY - SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT STATION

see enlarged photo attached.

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 09:01:05 AM CDT, Tex Collins <tex@...> wrote:


SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT DEPOT

On 10/21/2020 8:52 AM, Michael North via groups.io wrote:
I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.

<McKinney SP Freight Station sign.jpg>


Re: McKinney TX

Tom Roise
 

I take it that font did not come from the corporate offices in California???


Tom Roise


On Oct 21, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Skip Waters <wgcrush@...> wrote:


To me, it reads... McKINNEY - SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT STATION

see enlarged photo attached.

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 09:01:05 AM CDT, Tex Collins <tex@...> wrote:


SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT DEPOT

On 10/21/2020 8:52 AM, Michael North via groups.io wrote:
I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.

<McKinney SP Freight Station sign.jpg>


Re: McKinney TX

Skip Waters
 

To me, it reads... McKINNEY - SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT STATION

see enlarged photo attached.

Skip Waters
Dallas, Texas

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 09:01:05 AM CDT, Tex Collins <tex@...> wrote:


SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT DEPOT

On 10/21/2020 8:52 AM, Michael North via groups.io wrote:
I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.


FRIENDS OF THE GULF, TEXAS & WESTERN RAILROAD

Gerald Hook
 

A few years ago, I was given a very short roster of the FRIENDS OF THE GULF, TEXAS & WESTERN RAILROAD.  Thinking back, it may have come from the Baylor County Historical Museum in Seymour, TX.

 

At any rate, I can’t find anything on internet for this group/organization.

 

Does anyone out there in RS-land have any info?

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR


Re: Railspot Rarity #11

Barton Jennings
 

Gerald....and others....
Here is a very brief history of the line from a project I have planned for the future....

From Pineville Junction to Alexandria Junction, the Rock Island had trackage rights to use the Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company, a distance that the Interstate Commerce Commission stated was 2.69 miles in length. The Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company (LR&N) was a project of German-born William Edenborn. Edenborn had invented the most successful method at the time to manufacture barbed wire, reducing its price more than five-fold and capturing 75% of the American market. He sold out to J. P. Morgan for $90 million and moved to Winn Parish in Louisiana, experimenting with farming and second-growth timber. On July 23, 1897, he incorporated the Shreveport & Red River Valley Railway Company, which according to the Interstate Commerce Commission, completed a “railroad extending from Shreveport, via Alexandria including the bridge over the Red River at that point, to Mansura, about 152 miles; a partially constructed main line from Mansura, southeasterly, toward New Orleans, about 71 miles; and a partially constructed branch line from Aloha to Winnfield, about 27 miles, together with certain spur and other tracks.”

On June 22, 1903, the railroad was sold to the Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company, also controlled by Edenborn. The Louisiana Central Construction Company was created to complete the railroad to New Orleans, done by December 1906. However, the line did use car-ferry barges owned and operated by the Angola Transfer Company to cross the Mississippi River between Angola and Naples.

William Edenborn had social and business connections with many of the industry leaders in the Arkansas and Louisiana area, and was a business partner with William Buchanan and Harvey C. Couch in the Louisiana & Arkansas Railway. While the two railroads were once competitors, in May 1929, the Louisiana & Arkansas took control of the Louisiana Railway & Navigation Company. During the late 1930s, Harvey Couch also gained control of the Kansas City Southern. He decided to merge all of these railroads and operate them under the Kansas City Southern corporation.

Bart Jennings


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:08 AM Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:

Here’s a “snip” from in the 1903 Rand-McNally Louisiana Railroad Map in my personal collection.

 

Shreveport & Red River Railway is #69 (tough to see).   It later became the Louisiana Railway & Navigation and is today’s KCS route from Shreveport to New Orleans.  The portion from Red River Parish and Ascension Parish was my territory when I was KCS Sales Manager in Baton Rouge, 1986-98.

 

 

Thanks, Dennis, for helping me bring back the memories.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Hogan
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:16 AM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: [Railspot] Railspot Rarity #11

 

Shreveport & Red River Railway operated 82.9 miles from Shreveport to
Machen with 5 additional miles under construction. Coushatta was a station.
I'm guessing that is in a southeast direction from Shreveport.   Anyone know
for sure?

[ORG 1901]
Now you know.


Re: McKinney TX

Michael North
 

Thank you. 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 09:00:58 AM CDT, Tex Collins <tex@...> wrote:


SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT DEPOT

On 10/21/2020 8:52 AM, Michael North via groups.io wrote:
I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.


Re: McKinney TX

Tex Collins
 

SOUTHERN PACIFIC FREIGHT DEPOT

On 10/21/2020 8:52 AM, Michael North via groups.io wrote:
I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.


Re: McKinney TX

Michael North
 

I cannot quite make out / read what the sign says on this depot, can anyone decipher what it reads ? 

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 05:59:45 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.


Re: Railspot Rarity #11

Gerald Hook
 

Here’s a “snip” from in the 1903 Rand-McNally Louisiana Railroad Map in my personal collection.

 

Shreveport & Red River Railway is #69 (tough to see).   It later became the Louisiana Railway & Navigation and is today’s KCS route from Shreveport to New Orleans.  The portion from Red River Parish and Ascension Parish was my territory when I was KCS Sales Manager in Baton Rouge, 1986-98.

 

 

Thanks, Dennis, for helping me bring back the memories.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Hogan
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:16 AM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: [Railspot] Railspot Rarity #11

 

Shreveport & Red River Railway operated 82.9 miles from Shreveport to
Machen with 5 additional miles under construction. Coushatta was a station.
I'm guessing that is in a southeast direction from Shreveport.   Anyone know
for sure?

[ORG 1901]
Now you know.


European Space Agency to fund ICU hospital train | International Railway Journal

Tom Roise
 

Since they can’t fly???

Take a train??


https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/european-space-agency-to-fund-icu-hospital-train/


Tom Roise
469-525-0930


College Station depot

Dennis Hogan
 

I should say depots plural.  You can catch a glimpse of the MP (I&GN) depot in the background.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1988/rec/114


McKinney TX

Dennis Hogan
 
Edited

This was a combination freight/passenger depot--and a union depot at that!
Both SP(H&TC) and LA&T trains stopped there.
https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1904/rec/133

The extended covered loading dock reminds me of the Bryan TX (Oops! I mean College Station) depot.


Re: OT: Hotel Blessing

Skip Waters
 

All true...  and fun... and memorable... and when are we going to do it again???

Skip

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 11:21:05 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


The Valley Eagle trip was fun. Lots of great memories, like raiding that all you can eat seafood place in Port O’Connor, or bailing on Skip when the DPS pulled over Racer Extera. Or Skip’s nephew shooting an entire roll of Kodachrome 64 because he had no understanding of film vs. digital.


On Oct 20, 2020, at 10:40 PM, chris tolley <hct9679@...> wrote:


I've been wanting to go back down there ever since I got invited to ride between Bay City and Bloomington. Fun trip. Was worth playing hooky from work for. Reasonable prices. May make a weekend out of it in the near future.

Chris Tolley
Houston, TX

From: RS-TALON@groups.io <RS-TALON@groups.io> on behalf of Scott Kelm <skelm10@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...>; tomroise@... <tomroise@...>
Cc: rs-talon@groups.io <rs-talon@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Railspot] OT: Hotel Blessing
 
Yes. It is in Steve Goen's Valley Eagle DVD from a few years ago.
On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 08:09:11 AM CDT, Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise@...> wrote:


Still with an active rail line two blocks away !!

Tom Roise


On Oct 15, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Looks like a neat old historical place to eat and perhaps overnight:

https://hotelblessing.com/about-us/


Re: OT: Hotel Blessing

texaszephyr
 

The Valley Eagle trip was fun. Lots of great memories, like raiding that all you can eat seafood place in Port O’Connor, or bailing on Skip when the DPS pulled over Racer Extera. Or Skip’s nephew shooting an entire roll of Kodachrome 64 because he had no understanding of film vs. digital.


On Oct 20, 2020, at 10:40 PM, chris tolley <hct9679@...> wrote:


I've been wanting to go back down there ever since I got invited to ride between Bay City and Bloomington. Fun trip. Was worth playing hooky from work for. Reasonable prices. May make a weekend out of it in the near future.

Chris Tolley
Houston, TX

From: RS-TALON@groups.io <RS-TALON@groups.io> on behalf of Scott Kelm <skelm10@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...>; tomroise@... <tomroise@...>
Cc: rs-talon@groups.io <rs-talon@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Railspot] OT: Hotel Blessing
 
Yes. It is in Steve Goen's Valley Eagle DVD from a few years ago.
On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 08:09:11 AM CDT, Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise@...> wrote:


Still with an active rail line two blocks away !!

Tom Roise


On Oct 15, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Looks like a neat old historical place to eat and perhaps overnight:

https://hotelblessing.com/about-us/

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