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Event Alert! | Rail Passengers Sunset Limited Regional Briefing

David H Bingham
 

From RPA/NARP
Forwarded by: D. Howard Bingham
Posted: Aug. 06, 2020, 12:40 pm CDT
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Dear David,

Join us August 19th at 3pm Eastern, when Rail Passengers senior staff will host the fourth event in our advocacy webinar series -- which will focus on the campaign for daily service on the Sunset Limited. Registration will close on Monday, August, 17th. Space is limited to 475 participants so reserve your spot now.

In this briefing, we will:

  • Discuss the ongoing efforts to return daily service to the Sunset Limited from New Orleans to Los Angeles featuring presentations by Steve Roberts, President of the Rail Passengers Association of California & Nevada and George Chilson, Chairman Emeritus of Rail Passengers Association - followed by Q&A with them and other team members.
  • Explain the IMPLAN economic modeling tool and how it can be used in the advocacy world.

Join us for a fast paced webinar about this initiative. Learn about the market and the economics that make running the Sunset Limited daily along on the I-10 Corridor an important but long neglected public priority. Understand the challenges we face and the strategies we’ve developed to overcome them. Explore how the Daily Sunset campaign could be a template for increasing frequencies on other long distance routes and for adding new routes to the national Interstate system to make train travel a more widely available and attractive travel choice for more Americans.

Submit your questions at mbutler@... with the subject line "DAILY SUNSET QUESTIONS" . Deadline for submission is August 12th.

CLICK HERE TO REGISTER!

MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD

Joe Aiello
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Rail News - AAR: 'Long way to go' before rail traffic returns to normal. For Railroad Career Professionals

David H Bingham
 

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/rail_industry_trends/news/AAR-Long-way-to-go-before-rail-traffic-returns-to-normal--61229 

From: Progressive Railroading Magazine
Forwarded by: D. Howard Bingham
Posted: Aug. 06, 2020, 12:34 pm CDT
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Re: Tomball

texaszephyr
 

This is sad news. We went to Tomball the day after the Stafford Train Show and the location seemed perfect. Downtown, next to the depot, a nice city park and the BNSF main from Teague. This would have really helped put Tomball on the map.

TZ


On Aug 5, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 09:09:09 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


Has anyone heard anything about Gulf Coast dropping plans of relocating to Tomball?

TZ



Re: Tomball

Everett Lueck
 

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 09:09:09 PM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


Has anyone heard anything about Gulf Coast dropping plans of relocating to Tomball?

TZ



Tomball

texaszephyr
 

Has anyone heard anything about Gulf Coast dropping plans of relocating to Tomball?

TZ


I am sharing '19275.pdf' with you

David H Bingham
 

Attached is a PDF copy of the Texas Transportation Plan that is subject to "Public Input" on  "Virtual" Comment" session.

This courtesy of RPAHouston@...

Forwarded by: D. Howard Bingham
Posted: Aug. 05, 2020, 02:53 pm CDT
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Shared from Word for Android
https://office.com/getword 


New Amtrak locomotive paint scheme

Dennis Hogan
 


UP Livonia Subdivision photographs - 4 August 2019

James Robichaux
 


Here is a small set of images that I made one year ago today showing images of (among other things) activity on the Union Pacific Railroad's mainline on the western bank of the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

Thanks.


James



Re: Testing out the new toy

Jerry Storrs
 

I picked up a 75-300 for my T6 at a pawn shop for a good price and love it.  SPfan


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 7:01 PM Matt Shell <shipbuilding@...> wrote:
Nice.

I've had this lens for years, also purchased mine from a friend who I don't think ever used it. It's a fine piece of glass.

Matt

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 9:20 PM Nathan Herring <panhandlerails@...> wrote:
Hello all, 

Purchased a Canon 70-200 F4L lens last week from a friend who was updating his equipment. Had time off on Saturday morning to go try it out.

Headed out to Cuyler on the Panhandle Sub where I was able to catch a pair of ethanol trains

First up was BNSF 7942 East with a Watson, CA to Axtell, NE empty ethanol (of course the clouds showed up lol)


About 20 minutes later a Wolsey, SD to Phoenix, AZ loaded ethanol made its way past, and the clouds parted long enough for the DP to have good light


I knew I had two trains headed for the Red River Valley Sub so I decided to go catch them. However after realizing that one would be using Red River Main 1 I headed to Grand St. to catch it where I got blocked by clouds again


After that I didn’t want to deal with the clouds anymore so I headed home.

Here are the trains plus the windmill train from early June on video



Re: Testing out the new toy

Matt Shell
 

Nice.

I've had this lens for years, also purchased mine from a friend who I don't think ever used it. It's a fine piece of glass.

Matt

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 9:20 PM Nathan Herring <panhandlerails@...> wrote:
Hello all, 

Purchased a Canon 70-200 F4L lens last week from a friend who was updating his equipment. Had time off on Saturday morning to go try it out.

Headed out to Cuyler on the Panhandle Sub where I was able to catch a pair of ethanol trains

First up was BNSF 7942 East with a Watson, CA to Axtell, NE empty ethanol (of course the clouds showed up lol)


About 20 minutes later a Wolsey, SD to Phoenix, AZ loaded ethanol made its way past, and the clouds parted long enough for the DP to have good light


I knew I had two trains headed for the Red River Valley Sub so I decided to go catch them. However after realizing that one would be using Red River Main 1 I headed to Grand St. to catch it where I got blocked by clouds again


After that I didn’t want to deal with the clouds anymore so I headed home.

Here are the trains plus the windmill train from early June on video



Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Gerald Hook
 

Ron, et al

 

World War 1 started in Europe on June 28, 1914 and we entered the conflict on April 6, 1917.  The 1917-18 winter came early and was colder than normal in the Northeast and New England.  Tremendous volumes of war material piled up along the east coast awaiting transport to the conflict.  Loaded Coal hoppers were backed up to Pittsburgh and other points hundreds of miles from the coast, resulting in shortages of empty cars at the mines.  Hence, President Wilson’s edict on December 28, 1917 to nationalize the railroads. 

 

More freight cars were needed, and in order to conserve steel for the war effort, wood & steel composite freight cars to USRA designs.  Many of these cars were still in service on December 7, 1941 when, once again, we faced a shortage of freight equipment.  Again, composite cars, larger and with more capacity than those 20 years earlier, were built. (Train Shed Cyclopedia #70 has specs on AAR Emergency Design Open Hoppers and Gondolas)

 

Following VE and VJ days, the oldest composite cars were retired and newer composite cars were replaced by still larger and greater capacity steel cars in the 1950s and 60s.  I recall seeing a few of those old timers in the early 60s, but just like the ubiquitous 40 foot XMs, everything was replaced by more modern cars until today, none of those relics remain outside of museums.

 

I grew up in DFW where wood coal hoppers were practically nil. 

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: Ron Roman [mailto:ronaf5as@...]
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:14 PM
To: Tom Roise <tomroise@...>; Edwin Cooper via groups.io <edwin_c_cooper@...>
Cc: Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...>; Railspot Forum <RailSpot@...>; Gerald Hook <gah333br@...>; panhandlerails@...; Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...>; Texoma Railfans List <texomarailfans@...>; rs-talon@groups.io; Everett Lueck <elueck@...>
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Cotton belt open hoppers

 

When did the RR’s get rid of the Wooden Coal Cars and favor the Steel ones…
I’m trying to remember that, I want to say in the 50’s for the majority.

I know back east from a talk at a railroad club meeting (went as a guest wit a friend who was a member), they had a speaker and he was saying in the late 40’s to early 50’s was the change overs, it was due to end of WWII, they wanted more Cap and Wght per car, they were even getting longer too (And we know how that is now!).

Back east they was still getting coal loads of several cars to Coal and Oil Fuel place near me.
Even some businesses still used coal for power/heat at the plants… till the late 70’s early 80’s when Nat’l Gas was piped in, or, even Comm’l Power was strung up into them.
Old Plants did things till it was easier and cheaper most likely to do so.

Cool little thread here.

73’s,
Ron R AF5AS
Altus, OK

 

Sent from Windows Mail

 

From: Tom Roise
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎August‎ ‎3‎, ‎2020 ‎11‎:‎35‎ ‎AM
To: Edwin Cooper via groups.io
Cc: Steve Goen, Railspot Forum, Gerald Hook, panhandlerails@..., Dennis Hogan, Ron Roman, Texoma Railfans List, rs-talon@groups.io, Everett Lueck

 

One thing you forgot Ed, there were many industries on line that used coal. And the cotton belt did and still does have a large gas manufacturer in Tyler that produced many cars of coke for shipping out to northern facilities.

Tom Roise


> On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Edwin Cooper via groups.io <edwin_c_cooper@...> wrote:
>


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Tom Roise
 

Yes, I agree with you
The country needed steel for the war effort. As soon as that ended the railroads went nuts with plenty of steel available for new and upgraded equipment made with steel from the good old US of A!!!!

Tom Roise


On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Ron Roman <ronaf5as@...> wrote:


When did the RR’s get rid of the Wooden Coal Cars and favor the Steel ones…
I’m trying to remember that, I want to say in the 50’s for the majority.

I know back east from a talk at a railroad club meeting (went as a guest wit a friend who was a member), they had a speaker and he was saying in the late 40’s to early 50’s was the change overs, it was due to end of WWII, they wanted more Cap and Wght per car, they were even getting longer too (And we know how that is now!).

Back east they was still getting coal loads of several cars to Coal and Oil Fuel place near me.
Even some businesses still used coal for power/heat at the plants… till the late 70’s early 80’s when Nat’l Gas was piped in, or, even Comm’l Power was strung up into them.
Old Plants did things till it was easier and cheaper most likely to do so.

Cool little thread here.

73’s,
Ron R AF5AS
Altus, OK

Sent from Windows Mail


One thing you forgot Ed, there were many industries on line that used coal. And the cotton belt did and still does have a large gas manufacturer in Tyler that produced many cars of coke for shipping out to northern facilities.

Tom Roise


> On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Edwin Cooper via groups.io <edwin_c_cooper@...> wrote:
>


--
Ron R AF5AS

Altus, OK


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Ron Roman
 

When did the RR’s get rid of the Wooden Coal Cars and favor the Steel ones…
I’m trying to remember that, I want to say in the 50’s for the majority.

I know back east from a talk at a railroad club meeting (went as a guest wit a friend who was a member), they had a speaker and he was saying in the late 40’s to early 50’s was the change overs, it was due to end of WWII, they wanted more Cap and Wght per car, they were even getting longer too (And we know how that is now!).

Back east they was still getting coal loads of several cars to Coal and Oil Fuel place near me.
Even some businesses still used coal for power/heat at the plants… till the late 70’s early 80’s when Nat’l Gas was piped in, or, even Comm’l Power was strung up into them.
Old Plants did things till it was easier and cheaper most likely to do so.

Cool little thread here.

73’s,
Ron R AF5AS
Altus, OK

Sent from Windows Mail


One thing you forgot Ed, there were many industries on line that used coal. And the cotton belt did and still does have a large gas manufacturer in Tyler that produced many cars of coke for shipping out to northern facilities.

Tom Roise


> On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Edwin Cooper via groups.io <edwin_c_cooper@...> wrote:
>


--
Ron R AF5AS

Altus, OK


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Tom Roise
 

One thing you forgot Ed, there were many industries on line that used coal. And the cotton belt did and still does have a large gas manufacturer in Tyler that produced many cars of coke for shipping out to northern facilities.

Tom Roise

On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Edwin Cooper via groups.io <edwin_c_cooper=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Gerald Hook
 

Tom

 

I noticed in the January 1954 OER the Cotton Belt added at least 100 more steel hoppers and I’ll forward later this week.  Right now, I’m busy with a 1920 article concerning Katy’s change from coal to fuel oil.

 

Gerald

 

-----Original Message-----
From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Roise via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:14 AM
To: Jim Ogden <sjogden@...>
Cc: rs-talon@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Cotton belt open hoppers

 

Thank you Jim.

 

They did roster a few as Gerald mentioned.

Listed in the OER. I’m having a blast kit bashing SSW cars from That era or later.

 

Tom Roise

 

 

> On Aug 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:

>

 

 

 


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Tom Roise
 

Thank you Jim.

They did roster a few as Gerald mentioned.
Listed in the OER. I’m having a blast kit bashing SSW cars from
That era or later.

Tom Roise

On Aug 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jim Ogden <sjogden@att.net> wrote:


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Jim Ogden
 

I think the Cotton Belt favored drop-bottom gondolas for these sorts of commodities. A self clearing hopper car was preferred by coal operations East of the Mississippi (especially West Virginia or Kentucky) whereas gondolas were favored in the west. They were more versatile and weren’t going to be unused if the coal operations were idled.

Their line shared with the MoPac East of the Mississippi to Illmo missed the coal fields of southern Illinois. MoPac did serve coal mines (especially via the Missouri-Illinois) as did the IC and the bought hoppers pretty much for the exclusive use of the coal conglomerates.

At the time he passed away, Martin Lofton at Sunshine Models wanted to do a resin kit for these. As luck would have it, the SSW cars were not USRA and not like the Details West or Intermountain car, nor the older Ulrich zamac car. However he was having issues finding enough data to do one.

Jim Ogden


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Tom Roise
 

Thank you Ed, for your detailed reply. Yes as a bridge railroad they were limited quantities. But various OER books do list some.

Thank you again.

Tom Roise

On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Gerald Hook <gah333br@gmail.com> wrote:


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Tom Roise
 

Gerald ,

Thank you so much for your reply.

Any ideas on color of the cars? I’m sure the wood sided cars were classic boxcar red.

But what about the metal? I’ve seen red and black models?
But, no idea which is accurate.

Again, I appreciate your time in responding.


Tom Roise

On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Gerald Hook <gah333br@gmail.com> wrote:


Re: Cotton belt open hoppers

Gerald Hook
 

My JULY 1948 Official Equipment Register shows the following for Cotton Belt Hoppers.

 

SSW 76000-76024  25 cars           All Steel         45’ 10” OL      10’ 2” OW

SSW 70500-70899  399 cars         Wood sides, wood ends, wood floor, drop bottom          42’ 11” OL            10’ 5” OW

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: Edwin Cooper [mailto:edwin_c_cooper@...]
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 4:17 AM
To: texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...>; Railspot Forum <railspot@...>; Gerald Hook <gah333br@...>; Nathan Herring <panhandlerails@...>; Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...>; Ron Roman <ronaf5as@...>; Texoma Railfans List <texomarailfans@...>; RS-Talon <rs-talon@groups.io>; Everett Lueck <elueck@...>; tomroise@...
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Cotton belt open hoppers

 

My thought is that there were very few Cotton Belt open top hoppers used to haul coal after 1946. The railroad dropped its last coal burning steam locomotives shortly after World War II. There were no coal mines on line. There may have been need for coal used in caboose stoves or delivered to local coal yards as heating fuel. It would be much more likely for coal to be shipped on the Cotton Belt in hoppers from the originating railroad. My 1949 Moody's Steam Railroads doesn't list coal as a percentage of Cotton Belt's traffic base. 

 

Ed in Kentucky

 

On Sunday, August 2, 2020, 08:41:49 AM EDT, Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise@...> wrote:

 

 

Can anyone on here help me with pictures of the cotton belt coal hoppers from the 40’s and 50’s? I am not finding much on the internet.

 

Thank you for your time and consideration.

 

Tom Roise

 

 

 

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