Question about the manual


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Here you can see, it says common words to be fully spelt. Yet the word 'always' does not have the 'ay' sound?


BP Jonsson
 

Wiktionary lists alternative pronunciations with "-wiz" "-wuz" for both British and US English. If things are as they usually are in these cases (frequent, "small" words) the pronunciation with "-weyz" is probably a modern (recent as these things go) spelling pronunciation.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/always

Den tis 7 juli 2020 21:00 <chickensaregreat@...> skrev:

Here you can see, it says common words to be fully spelt. Yet the word 'always' does not have the 'ay' sound?


Ph.D.
 

In my speech, here between Detroit and Chicago, it's "-wiz".

On 7/7/2020 3:24 PM, BP Jonsson wrote:

Wiktionary lists alternative pronunciations with "-wiz" "-wuz" for both British and US English. If things are as they usually are in these cases (frequent, "small" words) the pronunciation with "-weyz" is probably a modern (recent as these things go) spelling pronunciation.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/always

Den tis 7 juli 2020 21:00 <chickensaregreat@...> skrev:
Here you can see, it says common words to be fully spelt. Yet the word 'always' does not have the 'ay' sound?



BP Jonsson
 

I learned to speak English from my grandmother who lived in Chicago in the 1920s (she later went back to the old country) and I have "-wiz". That was probably the normal pronunciation everywhere a century ago.

Den tis 7 juli 2020 21:49Ph.D. <phil@...> skrev:

In my speech, here between Detroit and Chicago, it's "-wiz".

On 7/7/2020 3:24 PM, BP Jonsson wrote:
Wiktionary lists alternative pronunciations with "-wiz" "-wuz" for both British and US English. If things are as they usually are in these cases (frequent, "small" words) the pronunciation with "-weyz" is probably a modern (recent as these things go) spelling pronunciation.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/always

Den tis 7 juli 2020 21:00 <chickensaregreat@...> skrev:
Here you can see, it says common words to be fully spelt. Yet the word 'always' does not have the 'ay' sound?



John Cowan
 

The OED3 lists the pronunciation with the FACE vowel in the second syllable as both British and American, and Irving Berlin's song "Always" from 1925 uses that pronunciation.  Unfortunately it doesn't rhyme with anything (the song was originally called "Mona").  Rhymezone.com, however, shows plenty of rhymes of the "blaze", "days", "gaze" type.

My AmE has the "abbot-rabbit" merger and the vowel is simple schwa for me.  In any case, "always" is a crappy example: the QS community should really adopt John Wells's lexical set keywords instead, because they are clear and work well across different accents, and there is lots of documentation on them.  Here they are, keyed by the numbers on the chart in Read's manual:

26 KIT, 27 FLEECE, 28 DRESS, 29 FACE, 30 TRAP, 31 PRICE, 32 PALM, 33 THOUGHT, 34 LOT, 35 CHOICE, 36 STRUT, 37 MOUTH, 38 GOAT, 39 FOOT, 40 GOOSE.

Even if you pronounce KIT and STRUT the same, or LOT and PALM (and even THOUGHT), or divide TRAP into two groups (for some people, "bad" and "lad" don't rhyme), QS is still usable.  You can look at <https://www.yorku.ca/earmstro/courses/phonetics/lexical_sets.pdf> to see lots of other words that have the same vowel sound.





On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 4:06 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson@...> wrote:
I learned to speak English from my grandmother who lived in Chicago in the 1920s (she later went back to the old country) and I have "-wiz". That was probably the normal pronunciation everywhere a century ago.

Den tis 7 juli 2020 21:49Ph.D. <phil@...> skrev:
In my speech, here between Detroit and Chicago, it's "-wiz".

On 7/7/2020 3:24 PM, BP Jonsson wrote:
Wiktionary lists alternative pronunciations with "-wiz" "-wuz" for both British and US English. If things are as they usually are in these cases (frequent, "small" words) the pronunciation with "-weyz" is probably a modern (recent as these things go) spelling pronunciation.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/always

Den tis 7 juli 2020 21:00 <chickensaregreat@...> skrev:
Here you can see, it says common words to be fully spelt. Yet the word 'always' does not have the 'ay' sound?