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How is the letter for llan pronounced?
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It is technically called a voiceless lateral fricative pronounced by placing the tongue as for pronouncing L, and then pressing out voiceless air at the side of the tongue, like a very noisy whispered L. My Icelandic teacher called it "a hiss at the corner of the mouth", and Welsh teachers apparently describe it by saying that the Welsh name Pwll sounds like if you say the English words _push_ and _pull_ simultaneously. Actually "shlan" would be a pretty decent approximation of _llan_. Another approximation is "fl" as in Floyd, which is an Anglicized spelling of the Welsh name Llwyd, and the _thl_ in _athlete_ also comes close. The Icelandic spelling _hl_ in a word like _hleypa_ 'leap', also gives a pretty good idea, but as I said it's rather noisy, so again "shleypa" or "thleypa" should come even closer. The Xhosa language also uses the spelling _hl_ for this sound.
I hope this helps.
Den tors 20 okt. 2022 12:48Jeffrey Tamsky via groups.io <firstname.lastname@example.org> skrev:
It seems like it's the alveolar lateral fricative, but I'm not familiar with that. Does anyone know of a language that generally has it?
That seems like an apt enough description. Everything I know about it comes from this Wikipedia article.
I already know something similar to the loch sound that I use for other languages, even when I'm supposed to use that specific sound, and had forgotten that I was unfamiliar with Celtic languages enough that i should have checked those. So basically, it's an s where the sound goes to the side instead of over the front of the tongue?
The letter was included so Welsh names could be written properly, as the Welsh language has that sound (conventionally spelt "ll"). I've never used ·Llan when writing Quikscript (as I live on the other side of the world from Wales), but the letter ·Loch does come in handy for the interjection "ugh".
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