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Paige Gabhart <pgabhart@...>
Jon:
AWL is fine with me. It may be less likely to different pronunciations although that is a guess on my part. I had suggested the consonant + vowell name (bee,gay) because it always seemed a little peculiar to me to use a word that has an intrinsic meaning for the name of a letter. I don't know Greek. Are Delta and Beta words in Greek? I appreciate your idea for letter names using the sound at the beginning of the name and again at the end when possible. Suggestion: Your "Vie" shape doesn't seem quite right to me. The top part of the letter seems too square and the whole letter seems canted back to the left too much. You might want to check the QS manual again. Sincerely, Paige |
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Jon Zuck <frimmin@...>
Oh, yeah, "Valve" is definitely on the shelf. I made the mistake of making
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it from a flipped-over Fife. To me it is one of the least attractive of Read's letters. Doesn't look quite right to me even in QM. Many other letters are undergoing mild changes, too, more about that in a post to everyone. In the history of alphabets all of them originally had names which were actually words. The Greek letter names were transliterations of the Phoenician letternames which were actual words. Beta doesn't mean anything in Greek, but "Beth" or "Bet" DOES mean house in Aramaic and Hebrew. Delta comes from Daleth "door." Some names in Greek do make sense in Greek, like O-mikron "little o" and O-mega "big O." --- Shalom v'Tovah, Jon Zuck Web URL: http://surf.to/frimmin It is more important to love much than to think much. Always do that which most impels you to love. --St. Teresa of Avila ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paige Gabhart" <pgabhart@...> To: <Read_Alphabet@...> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: [Read_Alphabet] Awl Jon: |
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Jon Zuck <frimmin@...>
grItNz, felO memDz v H intDnaSanl /rId /alfabet
standDdz knsPSm! :-)
Quick update on things. I'm redesigning the Jerome font with
corrections to the shapes of some letters, and the whole font will be
larger. I'm testing every letter as I go along to insure readability
at every step in the 10-14 point range. To me it seems all the Shavian
fonts developed so far have been difficult when used at the same point size as a
Roman type.
Paige has suggested that QM (the Quickscript Manual) be given higher
priority than CFPB. I quite agree.
About the Tall and Deep X suggested in QM, page, I earlier stated that
they weren't found in any of the writing samples, but I was wrong, there is a
Tall X on the last line of page 25. Paige has stated that he doesn't use
the X forms, and considers them unnecessary, but I think some might find them a
convenience in handwriting. As long as we agree that a Quickscript/Second
Shaw Alphabet font should enable as much as possible, all of the
potentials of "Senior Quickscript," I'm leaning to the idea that they should
also be present as alternative letterforms for use. Everything except
the basic letters will probably not be used in computer typing except for
signatures, graphic design, and for experienced Quickscriptists to show off. :-)
But their presence is available to all who want to give a calligraphic
design, etc. So if the half-letters, why not Read's X's? Use of it
will be entirely optional.
Roger, how about you? I'd REALLY appreciate your input here.
Paige suggested the possibility of extending the half-letters to include a
half-Yea, and a half-Whitewheat. A few thoughts to keep in mind:
1. We are talking about a modification of Read's work, but on the other
hand,
2. Alphabets do belong to their users, and do change over time.
3. the computer can easily handle the tall half-letters, so a half-Yea will
pose no problem at all to create or use.
4. Kerning (spacing between letters) creates some minor problems with the
half-Win-win. Because it needs to align not beside, but
directly beneath the appropriate vowel letter, after it's typed (in
Windows, at least) the cursor begins to appear to the
right of where the insertion point actually is, which can make
corrections very tricky. This error increases every time the half-W is
used. Nevertheless, it's a really cool effect, and no one can deprive me
of the right to write KDld I like
it! But it works better if it's the very last thing typed or
converted (which it was in this e-mail.)
5. The same problems which apply to Half-Win/win, will also apply to a
half-Whitewheat.
6. In typical text font sizes, 10-12, a half-Whitewheat will almost
certainly be similar enough toa half-Deed to cause confusion.
With those thoughts in mind, I'm very open to the
possibility of creating a half-YEA, especially if there's another vote in favor,
but I'm inclined to think a half-Whitewheat isn't that beneficial an
expansion. (Some of us will NEVER use it anyway, we just don't say
it. CFPB, for what it's worth, dropped it too.)
One other item. Read goes beyond developing Quickscript as a reform
of the Shaw alphabet, to a de facto shorthand system, with literally dozens
of abbreviations on page 17 of QM. To me, these feel like they're leaving
the realm of alphabet (symbols for sound) far behind, and are starting getting
to get into the realm of shorthand, which is more appropriate for people to
use in strictly personal correspondence only.
However, I do feel the abbreviations on QM, page 12, in the "Junior
Quickscript" section, are very useful. They increase the one-letter
abbreviations from four to eight, their meaning is self-evident in context,
they're re-iterated in CFPB, and they were all anticipated
explicitly in the preface to Androcles and the Lion. One column
of the proposal is "one-letter abbreviations"; I suggest
we limit the clarified presentation of the Second Shaw alphabet
to those 8 one-letter abbreviations, rather than open a Pandora's box
of "shorthand tips." Anyone else's thoughts on this?
SO tYk tM mI, mF
frendL!
It is more important to love much than to think much. Always do that which most impels you to love. --St. Teresa of Avila ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Zuck" <frimmin@...>
To: <Read_Alphabet@...>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Read_Alphabet] Awl > it from a flipped-over Fife. To me it is one of the least attractive of > Read's letters. Doesn't look quite right to me even in QM. Many other > letters are undergoing mild changes, too, more about that in a post to > everyone. > > In the history of alphabets all of them originally had names which were > actually words. The Greek letter names were transliterations of the > Phoenician letternames which were actual words. Beta doesn't mean anything > in Greek, but "Beth" or "Bet" DOES mean house in Aramaic and Hebrew. Delta > comes from Daleth "door." Some names in Greek do make sense in Greek, like > O-mikron "little o" and O-mega "big O." > > --- > Shalom v'Tovah, > Jon Zuck > Web URL: http://surf.to/frimmin > > It is more important to love much than to think much. > Always do that which most impels you to love. > --St. Teresa of Avila > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paige Gabhart" <pgabhart@...> > To: <Read_Alphabet@...> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:52 PM > Subject: [Read_Alphabet] Awl > > > > Jon: > > > > AWL is fine with me. It may be less likely to different > > pronunciations although that is a guess on my part. > > > > I had suggested the consonant + vowell name (bee,gay) because it > > always seemed a little peculiar to me to use a word that has an > > intrinsic meaning for the name of a letter. I don't know Greek. Are > > Delta and Beta words in Greek? > > > > I appreciate your idea for letter names using the sound at the > > beginning of the name and again at the end when possible. > > > > Suggestion: Your "Vie" shape doesn't seem quite right to me. The > > top part of the letter seems too square and the whole letter seems > > canted back to the left too much. You might want to check the QS > > manual again. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Paige > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > Read_Alphabet-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> > eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/1/_/_/_/975714386/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Read_Alphabet-unsubscribe@... > > > |
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