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QSIndustries repair service

peterebherron
 

I have a Titan that I cooked and needs repair. I send an email to Kelly Dorf and a message to QSIndusties on their web site 3 days ago. Asking the group if this is the correct procedure and about how long to wait for a reply.

Thank,

Peter

Re: External Cap

kjlovesya
 

Greed is often the motivation for great acts of stupidity.   Personally, contrary to the famous monologue from the movie Wall Street, I believe that greed is not good and not necessary.    The Tesla's, Mozart's and other geniuses of the world would still produce and share.

My apologies for such a thread drift.   Yes, you can safely remove the external capacitor.   ;)


KJ

Re: External Cap

Jeff Johns
 

One thing that he probably proved to himself is that Lawyers (Attorneys) can consume money faster than ex-wives (who do that with the help of Lawyers anyhow).

 

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Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 1:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 

 

KJ, That lawsuit was really stupid. I don’t know what he was trying  to prove other than being anti-anything not MTH.

 

Lou

 

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Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 





There was a lawsuit that put the model railroad DCC sound market back 10 years.   The suit involved Mike of Mike's Train House vs QSI and Sountraxx, if I'm not mistaken.   The judge ruled against MTH and fined them, but the damage to the model railroad industry had already been done.  Instead of investing time and resources to new and better equipment, the defendants were forced to spend resources defending their patents.  For this reason I boycott anything from MTH..

 

KJ





Re: External Cap

Lou
 

KJ, That lawsuit was really stupid. I don’t know what he was trying  to prove other than being anti-anything not MTH.

 

Lou

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 1:14 PM
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Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 




There was a lawsuit that put the model railroad DCC sound market back 10 years.   The suit involved Mike of Mike's Train House vs QSI and Sountraxx, if I'm not mistaken.   The judge ruled against MTH and fined them, but the damage to the model railroad industry had already been done.  Instead of investing time and resources to new and better equipment, the defendants were forced to spend resources defending their patents.  For this reason I boycott anything from MTH.

 

KJ




Re: External Cap

bill woelfel
 

I too boycott MTH, but moreso because I don't need the QUALITY headaches of their stuff.  Just my opinion.  Bill

Re: External Cap

Jeff Johns
 

Thanks for reminding everyone of those events, and yes, I also boycott MTH.  Jeff (from downunder)

 

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Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2019 9:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 

 

Thanks for the background info--Mike

On 1/30/2019 1:14 PM, kjlovesya@... [QSIndustries] wrote:

 

There was a lawsuit that put the model railroad DCC sound market back 10 years.   The suit involved Mike of Mike's Train House vs QSI and Sountraxx, if I'm not mistaken.   The judge ruled against MTH and fined them, but the damage to the model railroad industry had already been done.  Instead of investing time and resources to new and better equipment, the defendants were forced to spend resources defending their patents.  For this reason I boycott anything from MTH.

 

KJ

Re: External Cap

mike brady
 

Thanks for the background info--Mike

On 1/30/2019 1:14 PM, kjlovesya@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 
There was a lawsuit that put the model railroad DCC sound market back 10 years.   The suit involved Mike of Mike's Train House vs QSI and Sountraxx, if I'm not mistaken.   The judge ruled against MTH and fined them, but the damage to the model railroad industry had already been done.  Instead of investing time and resources to new and better equipment, the defendants were forced to spend resources defending their patents.  For this reason I boycott anything from MTH.

KJ

Re: External Cap

kjlovesya
 

There was a lawsuit that put the model railroad DCC sound market back 10 years.   The suit involved Mike of Mike's Train House vs QSI and Sountraxx, if I'm not mistaken.   The judge ruled against MTH and fined them, but the damage to the model railroad industry had already been done.  Instead of investing time and resources to new and better equipment, the defendants were forced to spend resources defending their patents.  For this reason I boycott anything from MTH.

KJ

Re: External Cap

Lou
 

KJ,

 

It would be interesting to see what patents are registered. I think in the early days the developers of the sound unit didn’t see much of a market and were very small companies so patents were probably out of reach.

 

Regardless, I wish QSI would bring out some new decoders in miniaturized sizes like the other manufacturers have done.  I just installed a sound decoder in an Athearn Model 40 and it needed a small decoder. I also put sound in an Overland Industrial switcher and a Bachmann Harry Potter engine. They were fun projects but definitely need a small decoder, as do many other engines.

 

No need to stand corrected, I didn’t mean you were wrong, just that sound has been around a long time and many people don’t realize that. Just as DCC has been around over 20 years and command control goes back 50 years, or so. Just think what model railroads will be like in 20 or 30 years. I never thought manufacturers would include DCC decoders from the factory, let alone with sound.

 

Take care.

 

Lou

 

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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 9:50 AM
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Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 




Hello all,

 

  It's my understanding that QSI holds the greatest number of patents in the DCC sound decoder market.   It is upon this fact that I was basing my statement.   I stand corrected and thank you for the information.

 

 

Cheers,

KJ




Re: External Cap

kjlovesya
 

Hello all,

  It's my understanding that QSI holds the greatest number of patents in the DCC sound decoder market.   It is upon this fact that I was basing my statement.   I stand corrected and thank you for the information.


Cheers,
KJ

Re: External Cap

mike brady
 

I still have Keller Engineering systems-- love the sound they make....Mike

On 1/27/2019 1:56 PM, 'Lou Venema' tpwillie@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 

Hello, KJ.

 

There were sound decoders before QSI. Soundtraxx had some quite a number of years ago. II had one (and still do) in a Proto 2000  ALCo PA1 of the first run, I am thinking in the very late 90’s. If I remember correctly Soundtraxx earlier has sound only units. Going back further, there was a company that made sound units in the CTC-16 era. I don’t remember the name of the company but they sold Athearn chassis with the frame milled out to put a speaker in the fuel tank. Brings back lots of memories and thankfulness that the hobby has progressed so far in that time.

 

Lou

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:41 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 




Hi Bob,

 

  I was waiting for the professionals to weigh in, but I'm not seeing that happening.

 

  It's my understanding that QSI were the first in mobile DCC sound decoders.  The initial design didn't have that external capacitor.   The results were lights and sounds 'blinking' as the locomotive moved down the track, or worse, stalled.   The external capacitor included in your Titan U is installed only in the part of the circuit that keeps the lights and sounds alive during operation, at least temporarily.

 

  Adding an additional 'keep alive' high value capacitor, installed in such a way that the whole board, including motor drive circuit, will remain energized, will take care of the lights and sounds as well.   The small external capacitor is not absolutely necessary.

 

  Easy to test.  Simply clip one of the wires and run the loco.

 

 

KJ




Re: External Cap

Lou
 

Hello, KJ.

 

There were sound decoders before QSI. Soundtraxx had some quite a number of years ago. II had one (and still do) in a Proto 2000  ALCo PA1 of the first run, I am thinking in the very late 90’s. If I remember correctly Soundtraxx earlier has sound only units. Going back further, there was a company that made sound units in the CTC-16 era. I don’t remember the name of the company but they sold Athearn chassis with the frame milled out to put a speaker in the fuel tank. Brings back lots of memories and thankfulness that the hobby has progressed so far in that time.

 

Lou

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:41 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: External Cap

 




Hi Bob,

 

  I was waiting for the professionals to weigh in, but I'm not seeing that happening.

 

  It's my understanding that QSI were the first in mobile DCC sound decoders.  The initial design didn't have that external capacitor.   The results were lights and sounds 'blinking' as the locomotive moved down the track, or worse, stalled.   The external capacitor included in your Titan U is installed only in the part of the circuit that keeps the lights and sounds alive during operation, at least temporarily.

 

  Adding an additional 'keep alive' high value capacitor, installed in such a way that the whole board, including motor drive circuit, will remain energized, will take care of the lights and sounds as well.   The small external capacitor is not absolutely necessary.

 

  Easy to test.  Simply clip one of the wires and run the loco.

 

 

KJ




Re: External Cap

Bob
 

Thank you 
Bob



On Jan 27, 2019, at 10:41 AM, kjlovesya@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

  I was waiting for the professionals to weigh in, but I'm not seeing that happening.

  It's my understanding that QSI were the first in mobile DCC sound decoders.  The initial design didn't have that external capacitor.   The results were lights and sounds 'blinking' as the locomotive moved down the track, or worse, stalled.   The external capacitor included in your Titan U is installed only in the part of the circuit that keeps the lights and sounds alive during operation, at least temporarily.

  Adding an additional 'keep alive' high value capacitor, installed in such a way that the whole board, including motor drive circuit, will remain energized, will take care of the lights and sounds as well.   The small external capacitor is not absolutely necessary.

  Easy to test.  Simply clip one of the wires and run the loco.


KJ

Re: External Cap

kjlovesya
 

Hi Bob,

  I was waiting for the professionals to weigh in, but I'm not seeing that happening.

  It's my understanding that QSI were the first in mobile DCC sound decoders.  The initial design didn't have that external capacitor.   The results were lights and sounds 'blinking' as the locomotive moved down the track, or worse, stalled.   The external capacitor included in your Titan U is installed only in the part of the circuit that keeps the lights and sounds alive during operation, at least temporarily.

  Adding an additional 'keep alive' high value capacitor, installed in such a way that the whole board, including motor drive circuit, will remain energized, will take care of the lights and sounds as well.   The small external capacitor is not absolutely necessary.

  Easy to test.  Simply clip one of the wires and run the loco.


KJ

External Cap

Bob
 

I'm installing Titan U board with a added keep alive module. Can I get remove the external cap.

Thanks

Bob

Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case

kelly dorf
 

Bill:

I have passed your issue on to Gerry. Hopefully he can answer your questions.

Kelly

Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case

Bill Kohler
 

OK – I had not seen the ‘Enable all CVs” before, but that doesn’t solve the problem.
 
CV Manager is version 3.1.0.7, the latest I can find.
 
The FX-DO decoder is version 9.3.8 build date 4/17/17
 
If I go to ‘New –> Diesel’, I find several FX-DO files in the list, and these are the ones that have CV 56.1 greyed out. Enabling all CV’s does ‘un-grey’ them, but...
 
If I program the ‘Enable G-Wire’ bit in CV 56.1, and program the decoder in Program Mode, I get no error messages, but the decoder will still only respond to the programmer (track), NOT the G-Wire receiver and the G-wire throttle.
 
If I program it in Service Mode, I then consistently get an error message pop-up saying “ERROR: Unable to program CV 56”
 
If I run ‘Verify’ in service mode on the decoder, I get: “56.1    System Configuration 1    (Document) 1    (Decoder) NA
 
All of this tells me that the firmware does not include CV 56.1 at all, hence the G-Wire socket is non-functional.
 
If I load an ‘FX-LS’ file into CV Manager, CV 56.1 is NOT greyed out, but I still get the error when I try to program the CV.
 
BTW – ‘NEW –> DIESEL’ has several FX-DO files in the selection list, but ‘NEW –> STEAM’ has NONE. (I’m running steam locos only)
 
Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!
 

Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case
 
 

Do you have the programmer software set for the right decoder? You can also set CVManager to allow ALL CV's.
 
Try doing this and setting the CV and then reading it back.
 
Greg

Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case

Kevin Strong
 

Airwire makes a 6-amp Convertr. 

Later,

K

On Jan 13, 2019, at 12:37, 'Bill Kohler' williekohler@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 

I have a Convertr, but since it provides the power input, it isn’t adequate to run a G-scale Bachmann 3-truck Shay.
 
But it is a valid solution for a smaller engine.
 
Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!
 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case
 
 

Use an Airwire Convertr with it instead of the G-wire. You don’t need to change any CVs, and you have access to all 17 Airwire frequencies.

Later,
 
K

On Jan 12, 2019, at 22:49, greg@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 
Do you have the programmer software set for the right decoder? You can also set CVManager to allow ALL CV's.
 
Try doing this and setting the CV and then reading it back.
 
Greg

Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case

Bill Kohler
 

I have a Convertr, but since it provides the power input, it isn’t adequate to run a G-scale Bachmann 3-truck Shay.
 
But it is a valid solution for a smaller engine.
 
Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!
 

Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case
 
 

Use an Airwire Convertr with it instead of the G-wire. You don’t need to change any CVs, and you have access to all 17 Airwire frequencies.

Later,
 
K

On Jan 12, 2019, at 22:49, greg@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 
Do you have the programmer software set for the right decoder? You can also set CVManager to allow ALL CV's.
 
Try doing this and setting the CV and then reading it back.
 
Greg

Re: WTB: QSI Programmer Case

Bill Kohler
 

Greg,

I’ll have to dig the FX-DO out of storage and try that...

Thanks,

Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!

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Do you have the programmer software set for the right decoder? You can also set CVManager to allow ALL CV's.

Try doing this and setting the CV and then reading it back.

Greg



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