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Older QSI decoder

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

Hello. New to this forum. My decoder is a QSI installed in a BLI PCM PRR I1sa bought in 2010. I had taken it out of the box, and on a club layout, changed the 03 to the loco #4538. Ran it a bit. It worked at that time. I then put it back in the box. I didn't have any way to run it until Nov 2019. I took it out of the box and it wouldn't read in JMRI with my SPROG2, but ran on my layout/with DCS50 and the #4538. I finally got it to read on JMRI and simply made a xml of it as an original. I then ran it a bit more on the layout. But no momentum, etc. I then put it back on the pt and changed CV's for speed table and momentum. But it wouldn't run. ? So back on the layout with DCS50 and nothing runs. The headlight comes on, the loco makes noises. But - no bell,whistle, etc. and won't run. Can anyone on this forum help me? The QSI is v7 and is listed exactly in JMRI. But simply don't run. And any further info required, just let me know. Also, if this isn't the right place, where is?


Re: Silabs and Windows 10

cmitcham@...
 

hey tim:

you need enableLUA in the register editor. this youtube video shows it well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEXVx9Pgx8

you might also need the "reboot with no protection against unsigned drivers" trick.

hopefully you need this to test 2 decoders you just fixed :) :) i can load sound and program them if you just get the hardware working.



thanks.


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Lou
 

Jim,

 

All the Titan decoders have the same software. They only differ in shapes and sound files. You can program any decoder to be what ever you want from it.

 

Lou

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim B
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 10:54 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

 

Robert,

Do you know which QSI decoder it is?   There are probably over a 100 different ones, and over a dozen called "titan" and bunch called FX-DO.

The SD9 has number boards and markers at both ends.    In my messing around, I have figured out they work independently - sometimes.   The information on Ports you listed is what I have learned from various Decoderpro reads.    I run mine both ways on a point to point layout, and I want to be able to turn them on in the direction of travel, and off in the other direction - both ways.

I can get the front number boards and markers to work using those ports.    But what are the ports for the rear markers and numbers boards?    Since they work independely of the front ones, I assume they are on different ports.   


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Lou
 

Jim, I just noticed you have version 8 software. You might want to consider a sound upgrade to Ver. 9. It would be file number 1115-567v9-3-2.q3. This is the last version made before QSISolutions shut down. It has a lot of updates including improved sound, operation and Hornmaster to make or modify about any air horn railroads uses.

 

Lou

 

Lou

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim B
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 9:51 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

 

Lou

I use Decoderpro (JMRI) through a SPROG.   

It is a factory installed decoder in the Sunset SD9.   They loosely call it a "titan" but there are over a dozen titans listed in JMRI.

the mfg id is 113
The version is 8
The product model is 1126

these are the numbers that came up in 3 out 4 different decoder definitions ones I tried.   On the 4th, the mfg was a 0 which I figure is wrong.

I am trying to get the marker lights and number boards to work individually on both ends.   I can the rear ones OK (I changed direction) and the program calls these front ones.   I cannot get teh ones on the other end to work.   I can make them behave, and I can turn off only that end, but I can't control thrm other wise.     I think the issue is I cannot figure out what port they are on to set the controls.

Jim


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Lou
 

OK, Jim. Hewer we go. It might help if you read these tips first, then try changing stuff.

 

First, go to https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/titan-ho-documents . Under that tab these manuals may help you:

Using and Understanding Indexed CVs   Read Me First!

Complete DCC Reference Manual for All QSI Decoders  v5.2.0 full manual; 468 pages

Titan ET (Q3) Diesel Programming Guide

 

Also, while on that site you can download any (all?) sound files that you may be interested in. I would suggest that you download anything that you think you may need as there are no promises how long that site may stay up.

 

Ready? Let’s go.

 

Put the locomotive on the programming track and start up Decoder Pro. Do a reset of the decoder by entering the following CVs in the order shown below.

1: CV 49 = 128 2: CV 50 = 255 3: CV 56 = 113 The decoder will speak the word “RESET” when the last CV is entered (if done on the mainline) OR when power is next applied (if done on the program track.) This will rest to the manufacturer’s settings.

 

Select New Decoder and read what the decoder says. When it gives you the Titan choices, choose what best matched your prime mover. I believe the F3 567 type will work for you SD9 Finish filling out the Roster Entry pane the way you normally do then save the information to file.

Now, going pane by pane, do a Rea All om each pane and save the file each time (Sorry, I like to be safe.)

 

Once you have done this you can see how Sunset set up the decoder and see what controls what on what port. Now, study the Function Output, Light Control and Light Output.

 

To control a light, you need 3 options set. First is Function Output. This determines what function button you want to control the light in question. Use the dropdown menu to determine the light.  You can also choose to set that light in a group that will all be controlled by the function you chose but save that for later. Next, go to Light Control. This pane controls the light choice by what type of output you want that light to do. This is set for each kind of light you want to install. Finally go to Light Ports. This is the output wire the light is connected to. These 3 changes what does what, how it does it and what controls it,

 

You should be able to find the port from when you read that pane.  I would suggest that you use the existing connection,

 

Now, here is how to do ft. Assume that Sunset has it set up this way: Rear light boards are connected to port 12 (on the rear connector) and is controlled by F0R. and is controlled by F0 and direction.

 

Go to Light Ports pane and scroll down to Rear Number Board and enter  XX This is the port that Sunset has set up for this light. If it is not connected, choose a port number and wire your light to that port.

 

Next, go to Light Control. Scroll down to Rear Number Boards Initial State. Set at zero so they are dark unless turned on. Since you want these manually controlled clear the next 4 lines. The next 3 sliders control the brightness of the low, and how long it takes to reach full brightness and goes back to dark. Mess with these to see how they work

 

Next, go to Function Output pane. On this pane go down to F12 (Output 14). Choose Rear Number boards lights in the left pane and none in the right pane.

 

Check the Function output pane to be sure your chosen F key is not assigned to another function, the light output does not have another output that matches yours, and that the Multi Auto Lights is not checked for the Rear Number Boards.

 

Do this programming on the main and you can see if you chose right immediately.

 

I hope this will get you started. Good Luck

 

Lou

 

 

 

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim B
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 9:51 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

 

Lou

I use Decoderpro (JMRI) through a SPROG.   

It is a factory installed decoder in the Sunset SD9.   They loosely call it a "titan" but there are over a dozen titans listed in JMRI.

the mfg id is 113
The version is 8
The product model is 1126

these are the numbers that came up in 3 out 4 different decoder definitions ones I tried.   On the 4th, the mfg was a 0 which I figure is wrong.

I am trying to get the marker lights and number boards to work individually on both ends.   I can the rear ones OK (I changed direction) and the program calls these front ones.   I cannot get teh ones on the other end to work.   I can make them behave, and I can turn off only that end, but I can't control thrm other wise.     I think the issue is I cannot figure out what port they are on to set the controls.

Jim


Re: Changing sound on a Titan-U

Jay Beckham
 

I don't use the big one. The HO Titan will handle most O Scale engines.

-----Original Message-----
From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Shanks
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 3:44 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Changing sound on a Titan-U

Size does matter. Here we're typically talking G-scale versus all others. If it's not shrink wrapped and has screw terminal strips, it's Large/G scale. although depending on space these can be shoe-horned into O scale. See:

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/large-scale-sound-decoders

If it looks like an Atlas board, or has wire plugs on each narrow end it's HO. Titan-A or Titan-U (Universal) respectively.

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/ho-sound-and-power-decoders


Hope this helps

Bruce


Re: Changing sound on a Titan-U

Bruce Shanks
 

Size does matter. Here we're typically talking G-scale versus all others.  If it's not shrink wrapped and has screw terminal strips, it's Large/G scale. although depending on space these can be shoe-horned into O scale. See:

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/large-scale-sound-decoders

If it looks like an Atlas board, or has wire plugs on each narrow end it's HO.  Titan-A or Titan-U (Universal) respectively.

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/ho-sound-and-power-decoders


Hope this helps

Bruce


Re: Silabs and Windows 10

Jay Beckham
 

In regards to that window issue my RR pc is window 7. So I would assume no problems with the QSI software?
Jay


On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:35 PM, kelly dorf <kelly.dorf@...> wrote:

Hi Tim
Please review this document. About page 8 it talks about windows 10.

Kelly
<QP install my edits.pdf>


Re: Silabs and Windows 10

kelly dorf
 

Hi Tim
Please review this document. About page 8 it talks about windows 10.

Kelly


Silabs and Windows 10

signalman11
 

Greetings.

After a hard drive crash recently, I'm trying to restore some programs. I've been attempting to install the QSI Programmer, but I keep getting a message after letting the PC to accept unsigned programs that I need Administrator access. there is not administrator on my home PC. 




Anybody out there have a clue?

Tim Maslyn
Spring Hill, FL
iss@...


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Jim B
 

Robert,

Do you know which QSI decoder it is?   There are probably over a 100 different ones, and over a dozen called "titan" and bunch called FX-DO.

The SD9 has number boards and markers at both ends.    In my messing around, I have figured out they work independently - sometimes.   The information on Ports you listed is what I have learned from various Decoderpro reads.    I run mine both ways on a point to point layout, and I want to be able to turn them on in the direction of travel, and off in the other direction - both ways.

I can get the front number boards and markers to work using those ports.    But what are the ports for the rear markers and numbers boards?    Since they work independely of the front ones, I assume they are on different ports.   


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Robert Lopez
 

I work for sunset models I have the lighting chart for a sd9. We have the QSI files if needed but you need the programmer.

 

FEATURE

SD79

HEAD LIGHT

1

BACK UP LIGHT

2

FRONT MARKER LIGHT

8

FRONT MARS LIGHT

3

FRONT NUMBER BOARDS

5

CAB LIGHT

10

REAR MARKER LIGHT

REAR NUMBER BOARDS

 

 

From: "QSIndustries@groups.io" <QSIndustries@groups.io> on behalf of Jim B <prrjim@...>
Reply-To: "QSIndustries@groups.io" <QSIndustries@groups.io>
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:51 PM
To: "QSIndustries@groups.io" <QSIndustries@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

 

Lou

I use Decoderpro (JMRI) through a SPROG.   

It is a factory installed decoder in the Sunset SD9.   They loosely call it a "titan" but there are over a dozen titans listed in JMRI.

the mfg id is 113
The version is 8
The product model is 1126

these are the numbers that came up in 3 out 4 different decoder definitions ones I tried.   On the 4th, the mfg was a 0 which I figure is wrong.

I am trying to get the marker lights and number boards to work individually on both ends.   I can the rear ones OK (I changed direction) and the program calls these front ones.   I cannot get teh ones on the other end to work.   I can make them behave, and I can turn off only that end, but I can't control thrm other wise.     I think the issue is I cannot figure out what port they are on to set the controls.

Jim


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Jim B
 

Lou

I use Decoderpro (JMRI) through a SPROG.   

It is a factory installed decoder in the Sunset SD9.   They loosely call it a "titan" but there are over a dozen titans listed in JMRI.

the mfg id is 113
The version is 8
The product model is 1126

these are the numbers that came up in 3 out 4 different decoder definitions ones I tried.   On the 4th, the mfg was a 0 which I figure is wrong.

I am trying to get the marker lights and number boards to work individually on both ends.   I can the rear ones OK (I changed direction) and the program calls these front ones.   I cannot get teh ones on the other end to work.   I can make them behave, and I can turn off only that end, but I can't control thrm other wise.     I think the issue is I cannot figure out what port they are on to set the controls.

Jim


Re: Changing sound on a Titan-U

jimalbanowski
 

Jay:

Other than getting the programmer and software collected and set up O is no different.

Built several O sound decoders PRR electrics for a friend on the west coast.

With the size of the speakers for O... impressive...

Jim Albanowski


Re: Changing sound on a Titan-U

Jay Beckham
 

Thanks so much.  One different perhaps is that I am in O Scale.

 

Jay

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Shanks
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 2:53 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Changing sound on a Titan-U

 

What you want to do is entirely possible.  I just changed an HO Titan from Steam to Diesel last week

The toughest part is getting the SiLabs driver for the Quantum Programmer installed in Win 10.  I had to take my new laptop back to the shop, and it it took the guru almost an hour.  He said he finally had to set up a separate account, load the driver and then transfer it into my account.

Be sure you have good solid connection from programmer to decoder, a decoder tester with a motor is recommended, bulbs don't give a good enough pulse for acknowledgments.

Go to the website. 

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/applications

Verify you have the latest copies of Quantum Upgrade and Quantum CV manager.  They're under software.

Then click Sound Files, and select the set of files for Q2-FX that match your scale (HO or Large).  Choosing the wrong one will make you a very unhappy railroader.

Assuming you want HO, on the bottom of the left hand column is "Onboard Library Files for Q2-FX Diesel" which is what you'll need to change from Steam to Diesel. The instructions are right there in a file named in green.  How To Load Q2-FX onboard library files   I'd suggest printing it out for reference later.

Download the Library file and the appropriate file for your prime mover.  Place them where  they will be easy to browse for when you need to put them in Quantum Upgrade.

Then it's just a matter of connecting the decoder to the computer using the programmer, and then firing up Quantum Upgrade to install the two files.  Once you have the files loaded you can use Upgrade cut&paste to tweak bell, whistle, etc to your liking.

Then use step 6 to upload the file to the decoder.  Assuming you are using a decoder tester, you then need to dismount the decoder and install it in the loco.

Don't forget to save a copy of your file for future tweaking.

 

Good Luck

 


Re: Changing sound on a Titan-U

Bruce Shanks
 

What you want to do is entirely possible.  I just changed an HO Titan from Steam to Diesel last week

The toughest part is getting the SiLabs driver for the Quantum Programmer installed in Win 10.  I had to take my new laptop back to the shop, and it it took the guru almost an hour.  He said he finally had to set up a separate account, load the driver and then transfer it into my account.

Be sure you have good solid connection from programmer to decoder, a decoder tester with a motor is recommended, bulbs don't give a good enough pulse for acknowledgments.

Go to the website. 

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/applications

Verify you have the latest copies of Quantum Upgrade and Quantum CV manager.  They're under software.

Then click Sound Files, and select the set of files for Q2-FX that match your scale (HO or Large).  Choosing the wrong one will make you a very unhappy railroader.

Assuming you want HO, on the bottom of the left hand column is "Onboard Library Files for Q2-FX Diesel" which is what you'll need to change from Steam to Diesel. The instructions are right there in a file named in green.  How To Load Q2-FX onboard library files   I'd suggest printing it out for reference later.

Download the Library file and the appropriate file for your prime mover.  Place them where  they will be easy to browse for when you need to put them in Quantum Upgrade.

Then it's just a matter of connecting the decoder to the computer using the programmer, and then firing up Quantum Upgrade to install the two files.  Once you have the files loaded you can use Upgrade cut&paste to tweak bell, whistle, etc to your liking.

Then use step 6 to upload the file to the decoder.  Assuming you are using a decoder tester, you then need to dismount the decoder and install it in the loco.

Don't forget to save a copy of your file for future tweaking.


Good Luck



Changing sound on a Titan-U

Jay Beckham
 

I have two Titans that were set up for steam.  I want to load the Alco sound into them for two RS3 I want sound in.

 

Can someone help me with this?   I do have the QSI programmer and the old web site with I guess sound files on it.

 

Thanks so much

 

Jay Beckham

 

My Blog https://jaysoscalelayout.blogspot.com/

 

Join us at JayOScaleLayout+subscribe@groups.io

 


Re: Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Lou
 

Jim B.

 

To help, we need some more information. It will also help us to know what your DCC system is and how are you programming the decoder. Do you  use JMRI or maybe QSI CVManager? Is this a factory installed decoder?

 

We need to know the contents of

 

CV 8  (Mfg. Number)

CV 7 (Model Number)

CV 56.245.5 and CV 56.254.4 (Additional MFG Information)

 

If you are not using either of the programs mentioned above you might find them helpful.

 

Good Luck.

 

Lou

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim B
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 11:38 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: [QSIndustries] Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

 

Does anyone know the specific QSI decoder model in the GGD SD9?    I am trying to change some things on mine, and I don't think I am using the right decoder model #.


Sunset 3rd GGD SD9

Jim B
 

Does anyone know the specific QSI decoder model in the GGD SD9?    I am trying to change some things on mine, and I don't think I am using the right decoder model #.


Re: Programming Titan with NCE

Lou
 

Jay,

 

If you have the QSI programmer connected and working you can program just about any way you want.

 

  1. Using the NCE system (1)  Use the NCE system as you always have using the index CVs as needed,  a real pain.
  2. Using the NCE System (2)  Use either JMRI or CVManager with the NCE system. Installing either software program. In either program you just need to setup the computer port the programmer is used with. This is from memory, I haven’t done this in a long time,
  3. Use the QSI Programmer as the control system with either program.

 

I found the QSI CVManager software is easier, at least for me, to program with. The layout of the sound setting pages was easier for me to understand. Both programs will get the job done.

 

I usually set up the QSI decoders on my desk with a piece of track. I program the decoder as needed. CVManager allows you to easily change between Programming Track and Program on the Main. Once I have everything set the way I want, I them transfer the locomotive to my layout and do a Read All CVs through JMRI so I have a record along with all my other locomotives. It is the way that worked f or me.

 

One thing I learned is that my NCE system does not like to do a complete Read All CVs. I found it better to read all the CVs page by page instead all at one read.

 

Use the message search in the group archive. There is a lot of information way back in  the early days to help you out.

 

Good Luck.

 

Lou

 

 

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jay Beckham
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io; qsindustries224@...
Subject: [QSIndustries] Programming Titan with NCE

 

As I recall in programming the basics e.g. address with NCE, I can only program on the Main???

 

I do have the programming booster running to the programing track.  Might that programing with the NCE cab?

 

Thanks

 

Jay Beckham

 

My Blog https://jaysoscalelayout.blogspot.com/

 

Join us at JayOScaleLayout+subscribe@groups.io

 

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