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Re: New chip in Atlas Trainmaster

John Lauterbach <lauterba@...>
 

Gerry, chip came from Tony's Train Exchange. There was a very professional-looking QSI label on the chip. I thought I was getting the latest version chip. Engine sounds are different in intensity while running at constant throttle setting. I will forward your inquiry to the vendor.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: g_pruss
To: QSIndustries@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: New chip in Atlas Trainmaster


John,

What is the firmware model number and firmware version number
for the new chip? The function key assignments and lighting CV's
are different for version 6 and version 7 firmware.

The version 3.x DCC Reference Manual is for version 6 firmware.
http://qsisolutions.com/pdf/q-dccman30.pdf

For version 7 firmware use the version 4.2.0 DCC Reference Manual.
http://qsisolutions.com/pdf/q-dccman420.pdf

Gerry Pruss
QSI

--- In QSIndustries@..., "John Lauterbach" <lauterba@...>
wrote:
>
> Just received and installed new chip in Atlas CNJ 2410. Everything
has gone fine except getting back to where F11 keeps all number
boards lit at all times and F12 keeps rear headlight on at all times.
>
> Also, instructions that came with chip give URL that leads to
Reference Manual v.3.0 dated 16 February 2005. Is this correct?
>
> John
>
>
>






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P2K FM H-10-14 engine coming?

Bill <klopper_54017@...>
 

I read a while ago that walthers is releasing a new p2k FM H-10-44 with
QSI sound. I thought this was coming in march. But I got a
walthersemail update and now it says June I guess. Anyone know why that
is. I thought it might be a great engine for my switching layout.
Bill
Re: Problems with Consisted QSI Locomotives on EasyDCC system

g_pruss
 

Tom,

The symptoms of this problem lead me to guess that the
decoder is not receiving DCC packets in a timely manner
and is thus going into one of the two Fail Safe modes of operation.

If setting CV11 to "0" doesn't work, then try setting
CV29 bit 2 to "0", disabling Power Source Conversion.

For further information, see page 51 of the
version 4.2.0 DCC Reference Manual
http://qsisolutions.com/pdf/q-dccman420.pdf

Gerry Pruss
QSI

--- In QSIndustries@..., "Tom in Texas" <texpearson@...>
wrote:

Setting CV11 to zero didn't help the problem and "application" to
join
the EasyDCC list hasn't been approved yet
Re: New chip in Atlas Trainmaster

g_pruss
 

John,

What is the firmware model number and firmware version number
for the new chip? The function key assignments and lighting CV's
are different for version 6 and version 7 firmware.

The version 3.x DCC Reference Manual is for version 6 firmware.
http://qsisolutions.com/pdf/q-dccman30.pdf

For version 7 firmware use the version 4.2.0 DCC Reference Manual.
http://qsisolutions.com/pdf/q-dccman420.pdf

Gerry Pruss
QSI

--- In QSIndustries@..., "John Lauterbach" <lauterba@...>
wrote:

Just received and installed new chip in Atlas CNJ 2410. Everything
has gone fine except getting back to where F11 keeps all number
boards lit at all times and F12 keeps rear headlight on at all times.

Also, instructions that came with chip give URL that leads to
Reference Manual v.3.0 dated 16 February 2005. Is this correct?

John

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Re: Problems with Consisted QSI Locomotives on EasyDCC system

ROD STORER <idahosurge@...>
 

Hi Tom,

Sorry that it did not work out, you did change CV11 in
all the locos in the consist right and not just one.
BTW, it could just be dirty track and/or dirty wheels,
try cleaning the track and the wheels on all locos in
the consist.

Ya the person in charge of the Easy DCC group takes
his position of authority very seriously, I dropped
out due to that. This guy wanted me to add my home
town and everything else into my Yahoo profile and
this is stuff that no other group asked for or even
cared about.

Since my club uses Easy DCC and I use Digitrax Super
Chief at home I decided that it was not worth it since
other club members were already in the Easy DCC group.
Good Luck!

Rod

--- Tom in Texas <texpearson@...> wrote:

Setting CV11 to zero didn't help the problem and
"application" to join
the EasyDCC list hasn't been approved yet
Re: New chip in Atlas Trainmaster

PTurvill <paul@...>
 

No. Go to http://www.qsisolutions.com for free downloads of all of the
current literature and firmware. The manual is well into the
4.something by now.



--- In QSIndustries@..., "John Lauterbach" <lauterba@...>
wrote:

Also, instructions that came with chip give URL that leads to
Reference Manual v.3.0 dated 16 February 2005. Is this correct?
New chip in Atlas Trainmaster

John Lauterbach <lauterba@...>
 

Just received and installed new chip in Atlas CNJ 2410. Everything has gone fine except getting back to where F11 keeps all number boards lit at all times and F12 keeps rear headlight on at all times.

Also, instructions that came with chip give URL that leads to Reference Manual v.3.0 dated 16 February 2005. Is this correct?

John
Re: Problems with Consisted QSI Locomotives on EasyDCC system

Tom in Texas
 

Setting CV11 to zero didn't help the problem and "application" to join
the EasyDCC list hasn't been approved yet
Re: Quantum Magnum in Bachmann Connie 2-8-0

c_j7727
 

--- In QSIndustries@..., "jeepersinco" <jeepersinco@...>
wrote:

Has anyone installed a Quantum Magnum in a G scale Bachmann? I had
one
installed professionally when I ordered my K-27, and now want to
add
one to my 2-8-0 "Connie".

Thanks

I purchased the QSI Magnum this past weekend at the SELSTS to
install in my BM Connie. I currently have a Digitrax 583S in her.
During a great deal of frustration in adding the decoder to the
supposedly DCC ready engine I found it easier to remove the BM board
as many others have done. I like the 583 but I wanted to add sound
in an uncomplicated manner and affordably. My plan is to replace
the 583 with the magnum and adding a speaker. The issue I have with
the magnum is there is no harness to control other functions such as
the Connie's firebox and ash pan lights which both flicker. I have
also added a cab light which can be currently controlled by DCC.
The cab light can be hot wired into the track power or done as fig 3
from QSI's wiring diagram at
http://qsisolutions.com/pdf/magnum_wiring_aid.pdf However, I
don't see how I'll be able to have the firebox and ash pan lights
other then steady on. A CV code makes it flicker. There is a
connection on the board for a future auxiliary lighting control
board so maybe that will address it in the future. For now it is a
trade off to get sound in the Connie. It may be a couple of weeks
before I get started but any suggestions or help will be greatly
appreciated.

John
[Fwd: Re: Problems with Consisted QSI Locomotives on EasyDCC system]

John <amremain@...>
 

Re: Problems with Consisted QSI Locomotives on EasyDCC system

Roderick <idahosurge@...>
 

Try setting CV11 to a value of zero and see if that helps. If not then
there is a Yahoo group for Easy DCC, join that group and ask your
question and I am sure that someone can give you an answer.

Regards,

Rod


--- In QSIndustries@..., texpearson@... wrote:

One of my friends is having trouble withconsisted QSI locomotives?
using his EasyDCC system.?

The motor in the 2nd locomotive seems to cut out when the horn?(or
sometimes another function button) is depressed

Tom in Texas
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Problems with Consisted QSI Locomotives on EasyDCC system

Tom in Texas
 

One of my friends is having trouble withconsisted QSI locomotives?using his EasyDCC system.?

The motor in the 2nd locomotive seems to cut out when the horn?(or sometimes another function button) is depressed

Tom in Texas
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Re: RTC?

Don Vollrath
 

You ARE overthinking. With motors wired in parallel: Wheel contact
to the rail and same gearing will force each motor to be at the same
rpm. Any slight differences in BEMF (magnet strength) may cause a
slight amount of current draw difference between motors. During the
decoder PWM Off period to measure motor BEMF there may be a minor
flow of current between motors, but the BEMF signal read by the
decoder will be the average of the two motors. That BEMF voltage
will be what the decoder will regulate. With two motors in series:
Again, the motors will operate at the same rpm (no wheel slipping).
The total BEMF read back to and regulated by the decoder will be the
sum of BEMF from motor 1 + BEMF of motor 2. In this case the motors
will be running about 1/2 the rpm as above for the same total applied
voltage. The current through each motor will be identical, but there
may be minor differences in individual BEMF (not speed, but BEMF).
The decoder should have no problem coping with either connection when
properly adjusted.

What DOES change is that the series connection generates less torque
per change in applied motor volts. This is a reduction in 'gain'
that affects motor BEMF/RTC/Speed regulator response. One needs to
increase the sensitivity of the BEMF/RTC regulator to compensate for
that effect.
DonV

--- In QSIndustries@..., "shoggoth43" <shoggoth43@...>
wrote:

Clark,

I'm not sure how any of the dual motored units would work with
BEMF.
Unless you can sync both motors together somehow, each time you drop
the power to the motor ( PWM ) there's no real way to predict how
much
BEMF the decoder will read. One motor might have a much larger
voltage than the other and the next time maybe both put out the same
and then the next it could be reversed. This would be the same in
parallel or serial motors. Maybe it all averages out somehow and
I'm
overthinking this?

Did this used to work fine in RTC before you rewired it in serial?

-
S

--- In QSIndustries@..., "Clark Thorp" <llyffant2000@>
wrote:

Like many O scalers I usually rewire my dual motor diesels. The
rewiring converts the parallel motor wiring to serial, thus
reducing
the current load and the top speed of the loco. But....

I have noticed that my QSI Atlas GP9 locos are now behaving a bit
wobbily in RTC mode, especially at low speeds. They run OK in
STC.
I'm wondering if perhaps the series motor connection is
interfering
with the RTC mode feedback.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Clark Thorp
www.nysry.com
Re: RTC?

ClarkT
 

I would think the RTC mode "should" work with dual motored units as
that is how the Atlas units are delivered. I can't be absolutely
positive, but I am pretty sure they were starting smoothly before I
rewired the motors. I do know they start much more smoothly when set
for STC mode now. Obviously I should have been much more diligent in
evaluating their behavior before I went on. I may have to just rewire
them back to the original configuration to verify this. But before I
do that I'd really like to hear if anyone else has seen this problem....

Clark Thorp
www.nysry.com

--- In QSIndustries@..., "shoggoth43" <shoggoth43@...> wrote:

Clark,

I'm not sure how any of the dual motored units would work with BEMF.
Unless you can sync both motors together somehow, each time you drop
the power to the motor ( PWM ) there's no real way to predict how much
BEMF the decoder will read. One motor might have a much larger
voltage than the other and the next time maybe both put out the same
and then the next it could be reversed. This would be the same in
parallel or serial motors. Maybe it all averages out somehow and I'm
overthinking this?

Did this used to work fine in RTC before you rewired it in serial?

-
S

--- In QSIndustries@..., "Clark Thorp" <llyffant2000@>
wrote:

Like many O scalers I usually rewire my dual motor diesels. The
rewiring converts the parallel motor wiring to serial, thus reducing
the current load and the top speed of the loco. But....

I have noticed that my QSI Atlas GP9 locos are now behaving a bit
wobbily in RTC mode, especially at low speeds. They run OK in STC.
I'm wondering if perhaps the series motor connection is interfering
with the RTC mode feedback.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Clark Thorp
www.nysry.com
Re: RTC?

shoggoth43
 

Clark,

I'm not sure how any of the dual motored units would work with BEMF.
Unless you can sync both motors together somehow, each time you drop
the power to the motor ( PWM ) there's no real way to predict how much
BEMF the decoder will read. One motor might have a much larger
voltage than the other and the next time maybe both put out the same
and then the next it could be reversed. This would be the same in
parallel or serial motors. Maybe it all averages out somehow and I'm
overthinking this?

Did this used to work fine in RTC before you rewired it in serial?

-
S

--- In QSIndustries@..., "Clark Thorp" <llyffant2000@...>
wrote:

Like many O scalers I usually rewire my dual motor diesels. The
rewiring converts the parallel motor wiring to serial, thus reducing
the current load and the top speed of the loco. But....

I have noticed that my QSI Atlas GP9 locos are now behaving a bit
wobbily in RTC mode, especially at low speeds. They run OK in STC.
I'm wondering if perhaps the series motor connection is interfering
with the RTC mode feedback.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Clark Thorp
www.nysry.com
Re: P2K F7A is Dead

shoggoth43
 

Is the "talkback" CV set to on or off? I usually set mine to off so
it won't be busy telling me what the CV is while DecoderPro is trying
to program the next one. This is a small gotcha when using the
momentum button on NCE. It will only program the momentum for the
accel CV and will be busy telling you what it changed to while the NCE
system tries to program the next CV so it doesn't program that one.
This probably won't be an issue on a programming track though, but may
be something to keep in mind.

-
S

--- In QSIndustries@..., "PTurvill" <paul@...> wrote:

Further comment: I've experienced some odd behavior at times when using
DecoderPro with QSI decoders--values sent to the wrong CV, missed CVs,
etc.). If you (or your friend) have more than a couple, you or he might
find that a QSI Programmer would be a good investment. The device not
only gives superior access to all of the QSI CVs (being customized for
each model exactly), it also affords the ability to upgrade the V7
chips to the latest firmware.



--- In QSIndustries@..., "jwmutter" <jwmutter@> wrote:

Thanks for the response....yes, he tried resetting with no luck.
RTC?

ClarkT
 

Like many O scalers I usually rewire my dual motor diesels. The
rewiring converts the parallel motor wiring to serial, thus reducing
the current load and the top speed of the loco. But....

I have noticed that my QSI Atlas GP9 locos are now behaving a bit
wobbily in RTC mode, especially at low speeds. They run OK in STC.
I'm wondering if perhaps the series motor connection is interfering
with the RTC mode feedback.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Clark Thorp
www.nysry.com
Re: QSI Quantum Revolution

Bill Weiss
 

It seems that it is always true that revolutions are hard to predict in
time and cost :>)

Bill

--- In QSIndustries@..., "barry_draper" <barry_draper@...>
wrote:

That should be in the April edition, as an April Fool joke! So far
QSI Solutions can't even say how big the Revolution will be or how
much it will cost. To me, that means 6 months to a year out. I sure
hope I'm wrong!

Barry Draper
Re: P2K F7A is Dead

dougberger
 

Actually, IIRC, the power needs to be cycled on and off to cause the
reset.

Since you are taking the shell off, I would do all this with the
shell removed, but be careful not to touch the magnet to anything.

Easiest way to do it... find the reed switch, hold the magnet OVER
the reed switch (if the magnet is conductive like with the P2K's, DO
NOT TOUCH THE MAGNET TO ANYTHING electrical), tilt the loco so
contact wheels are no longer in contact on one side of the rails,
replace loco on rails... that just did your power recycle, and the
loco should now say "reset". When it honks 3 times, remove the
magnet.

As for the NCE thing, I found it on accident, and I don't think it
is documented anywhere. Basically the advanced consisting info is
already in CV19, so programming the same info into a different
command station won't change the decoders, it only stores the
consist data in the command station to set up those convenient
aliases.

Doug B

--- In QSIndustries@..., jwmutter@... wrote:
Also, I've been told that after the reset the loco needs to
powered off and back on. I'm not sure that happened either, so my
first step tonight will be to reset the loco, then try it on DC.
Re: P2K F7A is Dead

Jeff Mutter
 

Thanks very much, Doug! Sorry, I forgot to mention I did try it on DC after he reset it, with no response at all.

I'll check the connections. We did inspect the chassis and found nothing obvious, but I'll physically check the connections.

We're still relatively new to NCE and didn't know how to set the alias in his command station -- thanks for the tip.

Also, I've been told that after the reset the loco needs to powered off and back on. I'm not sure that happened either, so my first step tonight will be to reset the loco, then try it on DC.

Jeff

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Doug" <autorace@...>


Jeff,

I had a problem with one of my brand new P2K F7 units, and the problem
traced back to a poor crimp in one of the JST connectors, in my case, it
was the plug for the motor, so I had sound but no movement.
Fortunately, I had not consisted them yet, so I knew there was a
non-programming issue.

One suggestion, on your friend's loco, might be to try testing it to see
what it does on a DC track, as that will help diagnose if it is a DCC
programming issue.

Lastly, you probably already know that had you guys noted the consist
ID, then your friend could have entered the consist programming mode on
his NCE, set up a consist with that ID to install it (and the alias
info) into his command station.

The result would be that his locos could stay consisted, and you could
transport them between his layout and yours without needing to modify
them.

The only caviat is that if he is using a PowerCab as his command
station, the available consist IDs that work with his system are
restricted to something like 112 to 127.

I think you are on the right track trying to reset the loco, but do not
discount possible physical connection issues. I know that my loco had
that issue, and another guy up in Washington state had a similar problem
with one of his new P2Ks sound units.

I'd say... try the magnet wand reset (with the cab off), and then test
the unit on DC and DCC, paying attention to possible issues with poor
electrical connections in the JST connections where the wires connect to
the decoder board (a quality control issue for Walther's manufacturer of
these locos.)

Good luck,

Doug B


--- In QSIndustries@..., "jwmutter" wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm a new member, so if this has been discussed already I apologize
in advance. I searched the archives with no luck...

A friend brought his P2K F7A/F7B set over to program. Both have QSI
version 7 sound factory installed. I have an NCE system, use
DecoderPro, and my programming track has a PowerPax booster. We set
up a DecoderPro roster file for each loco, programmed both units and
consisted (advanced consist)them. They ran fine.

He took the locos back to his layout and tried to run them on his NCE
system. We forgot to kill the consist before he left, and didn't
note the consist number (we use the aliased loco number). Of course,
the locos didn't respond. He reset CV19 to 0 and now the B unit runs
fine. The A unit is our problem.

The A unit won't respond to the throttle, nor will the sound system
operate. When you try to operate the throttle, the number board
lights flash once, then nothing. He tried resetting the decoder
using the magnetic wand with non success.

He brought it back to my layout and it behaved the same way, so we
used DecoderPro to read all the CVs on the program track (using a PT
booster). There were a couple of wacky CVs so we re-wrote the
original program file to the decoder, which should have re-written
all the CVs. Still nothing. CV19 is 0.

Help! The loco is brand new. Walthers says it will take 8 weeks for
them to get to it for service. Does the single flash of the number
board lights indicate a physical problem with the decoder (ie,
something blown, shorted, etc)? Could the problem be in the CVs
somewhere? Have we overlooked something?

Thanks very much!
Jeff Mutter





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