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Re: BLI Cab-Forward, SD40-2, & NW2/SW7 sounbytes uploaded!

Richard Stern <rstern1@...>
 

This sounds very good. However, I don't hear the air pumps. The cab
forwards had a real unique sounding dual air compressor -- sort of a
click/wheezy sound that is unlike anything I've heard on other locos.
It is captured in a Pentrex videotape on the last run of a cab forward
over Donner Pass (Pentrex).

rs

-----Original Message-----
From: valisysmm [mailto:valisysmm@...]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:38 PM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: [QSIndustries] BLI Cab-Forward, SD40-2, & NW2/SW7 sounbytes
uploaded!

Hi All,

Just thought I would pass along that I noticed the Broadway Limited
has uploaded soundbytes of the AC-4/AC-5 Cab-Forward!
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/spcabforward.htm

They have also uploaded sounbytes to the SD40-2
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/sd4000.htm

and the NW2/SW7
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/emdswitch.htm

-Mike





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Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Rwbrv4@...
 

In a message dated 2/28/04 10:41:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, QSIndustries@... writes:

I hear the opinion of the purists but I think that the illusion of sound is sufficient, ie, so long as the synch is close enough, the observer is hooked.

Who looks and listens?  It is the modeler him or herself, club members and guests and friends. All except the modeler will accept that the loco is prorotypical.

Not so my friend, at least where I run and have demonstrated.  I wouldn't call myself a purist, but rather a realist.  I recently did a demonstration at a shop and ran two locos one synced and one unsynched.  Every train modeler that came in the shop that day picked the synched one out and commmented about the non synched one.  All the casual modlers and non train buffs thought that both were fine. 

IT'S SYNCHED OR NO SALE.

It's time for some sound competition, but NOT without tradeoffs. 

Rick Bell
DCC Installs


Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Rwbrv4@...
 

In a message dated 2/28/04 10:41:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, QSIndustries@... writes:

Jim you are absolutely correct.  As for Jeff's comment, I am glad his works well, because two friends of mine have 4 between them and none of them are right.  They seem to be fine with short trains or none at all, but when coupled to a heavy load they are terrible.  Even when you get 4 chuffs per rev. they don't occur at the proper places of wheel location, (I hope I said that right....like Jim not watching the videos because the chuffs don't occur at the proper wheel placement). 
But they are no more terrible than a Soundtraxx one without cam sync. 
NO CAM sych NO SALE.  This is very important. 
Rick Bell
DCC Installs


Re: Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Banjotrain
 

I hear the opinion of the purists but I think that the illusion of sound is sufficient, ie, so long as the synch is close enough, the observer is hooked.
 
Who looks and listens?  It is the modeler him or herself, club members and guests and friends. All except the modeler will accept that the loco is prorotypical.
 
I dont think many people look at the pistons as a loco makes its way around a layout. They take in the whole scene and all the friends/guests I've entertained with a sound steam loco marvel at the whole scene. Nobody has ever said "Hey it's out of synch." 
 
Another thing - if the purist is so critical, what about the lack of steam spurts, smoke, etc??
 
Just my opinion,
Erik

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

I'm with you guys; I have the same affliction.  It is most noticeable at
start-up and slow speeds.  If those chuffs are not in sync with the drive
rods/cylinders, then the whole illusion is shattered and we are back to
playing with toy trains, not scale model trains.  And if the chuffs start
before or too long after  the model moves, I'm back in toyland.

I come from  a background of On3 PFM sound with axle cams for
synchronization.

If BLI steam sound does sync to the driver rods/cylinders that would be
great; however, if it is a hit or miss proposition, then cam actuation
should be an option.

Steve



Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Jim Hoover
 

I don't know, that's a pretty strong claim. I've never done sound
decoders without cams so it is hard to accept less than perfect
synch. It would only take a little mis-match and the rate would get
out of whack with the drivers. To me it is as obvious as watching
someone play music. If the audio is even a little off from the
required rate, the cycle of four exhaust beats will wander compared
to the rate of movement of the drivers and even easier to notice, the
absolute position of the valve gear crosshead. Without having to
literally count them, I hear and connect four exhaust beats wtih each
rotation (agian like with music). Its just too easy to pick up on,
regardless of how fast or slow the loco is running.

Maybe at a show somewhere I'll get a chance to see and hear one of
their locos in action and find it is just as you described.

Thanks for the input, I'll keep my earballs peeled!
Jim Hoover

--- In QSIndustries@..., Jeff Warner <jeff@p...> wrote:
Jim:

I'm not going to tell you that you are crazy... But... if you
haven't heard one of the BLI steam locos with QSI, they are synced
VERY well without a CAM. My best guess is that QSI is using back-emf
to sync the sound. Whatever they are doing, you really wouldn't know
that a CAM wasn't there.

Jeff Warner


Re: Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Jeff Warner <jeff@...>
 

Jim:

I'm not going to tell you that you are crazy... But... if you haven't heard one of the BLI steam locos with QSI, they are synced VERY well without a CAM. My best guess is that QSI is using back-emf to sync the sound. Whatever they are doing, you really wouldn't know that a CAM wasn't there.

Jeff Warner


Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Jim Hoover
 

Someone mentioned their desire to have a cam-synch input on any
generic decoder QSI might produce.

I just want to pass along that if a sound decoder does not have the
option for a cam-synch input, then for me it would be NO SALE!

Sorry, but I just can't stand a non-synched steam loco, its worse
than no sound at all. Nothing spoils the illusion quicker than not
having synchronosed steam exhaust. For me it's like fingernails
screeching across a chalkboard can be for some people! At least with
no sound I can run the correct audio in my mind.

I'll turn the sound off when watching my videos of Colorado railroads
because they are virtually NEVER correct, except for the rare bit of
pure luck. I just don't get it. It would be so easy to get right,
just like having a cam on a model steam loco :^)

Ok, you can tell me I'm crazy or a prude or whatever now >;^)
Jim Hoover


Re: Cam input, else No Sale Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Stephen Barmash <stevieb@...>
 

I'm with you guys; I have the same affliction. It is most noticeable at
start-up and slow speeds. If those chuffs are not in sync with the drive
rods/cylinders, then the whole illusion is shattered and we are back to
playing with toy trains, not scale model trains. And if the chuffs start
before or too long after the model moves, I'm back in toyland.

I come from a background of On3 PFM sound with axle cams for
synchronization.

If BLI steam sound does sync to the driver rods/cylinders that would be
great; however, if it is a hit or miss proposition, then cam actuation
should be an option.

Steve


BLI Cab-Forward, SD40-2, & NW2/SW7 sounbytes uploaded!

valisysmm <valisysmm@...>
 

Hi All,

Just thought I would pass along that I noticed the Broadway Limited
has uploaded soundbytes of the AC-4/AC-5 Cab-Forward!
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/spcabforward.htm

They have also uploaded sounbytes to the SD40-2
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/sd4000.htm

and the NW2/SW7
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/emdswitch.htm

-Mike


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Yes, Zimo is a really good and very expensive system.


Re: BLI E-7 Bell?

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Many E7s had these types of decoder problems. Enough that it's
mentioned on the BLI site to do a reset as shown at the back of the booklet.


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

denlippert <denlippert@...>
 

--- In QSIndustries@..., ARRJERRY@A... wrote:
Using the same procedure with QSI decoders does not allow the
trailing loco to stay in the consist. I have not tried more
than 2 QSI's to see if 2 would work when there was a 3rd.
All trailing units should act the same if their CV21/22 are
set to the same values. The only reason the LEAD unit acts
differently than the trailers, is that the DCC command station
knows to send function commands to the "normal" address of the
leader.

Den


Re: New poll for QSIndustries

denlippert <denlippert@...>
 

--- In QSIndustries@..., Jeff Warner <jeff@p...> wrote:
What "additional equipment" would it be? Is there going to be
cable of some sort to connect the decoder to a PC??? An EPROM
programmer or something along those lines???
This would be a big question-mark for me. As a Mac guy, a
standard serial connection to a PC" is more-or-less useless!
I'd like to think of something along the lines of the new
"keychain USB memory devices" would be great... you could
plug it into a PC (or Mac) to put files on it... then plug
it into the decoder (with a less-bulky plug adapter!) and the
decoder would AUTOMATICALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

This is how a firmware upgrade on my Minolta digital camera
worked. I just downloaded the needed files from the 'web and
stuck them onto a CompactFlash memory card. When I put that
card into the camera and turned it on, the camera saw the
new files that needed to be installed, and it did it.

Of course, I'm just a "big picture guy"... no idea how it would
be implemented, or if it's even cost-effective or size-compatible
with the goal!! 8-)

I would think these decoders should have a "default" whistle,
etc. so they can be used without further programming. Some
people will NOT go to the trouble and don't care

Absolutely. I'd put in generic sounds (maybe make a choice of a
few whistles and such), but allow the user to "upgrade" or
replace them with downloadable stuff.

I also like the idea of "dealer-installed" sounds... for those
who would LIKE the custom sound, but have no desire to DIY...

Den


Re: BLI E-7 Bell?

Eric Minton <train@...>
 


At 10:34 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote:

Ideas?

Thanks,

Larry Rice
Port Townsend  WA 



Try the hard reset described in the book. the first GG1 I saw had problems with programing that went away with this proccess has worked perfectly since.

Mahalo - Thanks
Eric
Member
PRR T&H 1593
NMRA L05592


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

Jens Wulf &#92;(WRF&#92;) <jens.wulf@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller [mailto:atsf@...]
My understanding is that only Digitrax has F9 -- F12. I also have been
reminded by Stan Ames that these functions are now RPs. I believe that
capability of a system to use these functions is in the system software.
add the Zimo MX1 station. Unfortunately the system is out of my budget :(

/jw


BLI E-7 Bell?

Larry Rice <lrice@...>
 

Greetings,

A neighbor brought over two BLI E 7's for setup and initial testing on my
NCE system. One, number 500, worked flawlessly from the outset. The other,
number 512, has two imperfections...

1. Prime mover sounds cut in and out abruptly until the operator reaches
speed step four on any of my NCE throttles. In fact, the prime mover/exhaust
sound is almost completely absent until step four.

2. The bell sound is missing, though we do hear the momentary air noise that
one would expect upon bell activation. The bell was working initially, but
it "just went away" at some point. Repeatedly activating F8 mute isn't
achieving anything.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Larry Rice
Port Townsend WA


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

a question to you: is your NCE system capable of operating F9 to F12?
a question to all: anybody able to trick the EasyDCC system to transmit
F9 to F12<

My understanding is that only Digitrax has F9 -- F12. I also have been
reminded by Stan Ames that these functions are now RPs. I believe that
capability of a system to use these functions is in the system software.
NCE systems have the buttons on their controls but they are non-functional
until a software update occurs.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

bb4024 <tjones@...>
 

--- In QSIndustries@..., "Jens Wulf &#92;(WRF&#92;)"
<jens.wulf@w...> wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: bb4024 [mailto:tjones@s...]
Sent: Friday, 27. February 2004 18:12
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse:
CV21/CV22
(and EasyDCC)

a question to you: is your NCE system capable of operating F9 to
F12?


No NCE currently does not support F9 thru F12, however there is a
much awaited eprom update due out soon which "should" (the operable
word) address the added functions.


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

Jens Wulf &#92;(WRF&#92;) <jens.wulf@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: bb4024 [mailto:tjones@...]
Sent: Friday, 27. February 2004 18:12
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22
(and EasyDCC)


--- In QSIndustries@..., "Jens Wulf &#92;(WRF&#92;)"
<jens.wulf@w...> wrote:


directly programming CV19 und use that address as a loco. Only then
CV21/CV22 of any
decoder including QSI's are become active.

A question. Is your EasyDC able to startup a consist of locos using
the CV19 address or do you have to start them first then the CV19
will control all CV21/22 functions. My Northcoast will not turn the
consist on from CV19, but like I said before will work once the
engines are turned on.
that was what I was going to test next (later tonight) in a "more
scientific way" so to speak ;o)
I just wanted to know my environment.
From the loose experiments I did before I *THINK NOW* I could *NOT* wake
them up using the Cv19 address. But back then I was also confused
were and when which functions were controlled, it didn't look right
for an advanced consist, well it looks like this is standard. Ok?!

Anyway, now I know how my station is operating with advanced consists.
That's the base for the more important Cv19 issue testing. IMHO. That's
next ...

a question to you: is your NCE system capable of operating F9 to F12?

a question to all: anybody able to trick the EasyDCC system to transmit
F9 to F12, maybe via (PC) software. DecoderPro?

/jw


Re: beating up a the dead(?) horse: CV21/CV22 (and EasyDCC)

bb4024 <tjones@...>
 

--- In QSIndustries@..., "Jens Wulf &#92;(WRF&#92;)"
<jens.wulf@w...> wrote:


directly programming CV19 und use that address as a loco. Only then
CV21/CV22 of any
decoder including QSI's are become active.

A question. Is your EasyDC able to startup a consist of locos using
the CV19 address or do you have to start them first then the CV19
will control all CV21/22 functions. My Northcoast will not turn the
consist on from CV19, but like I said before will work once the
engines are turned on.

tj

18981 - 19000 of 19402