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Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Kert Peterson <kertp@...>
 

On 1/12/2004, Jon Miller wrote:

I'm going to stick my nose out and comment on price. I have to divide
"tinplate" and "scale". The tinplate folks just spend more and that's a
fact<VBG>. My comments are for "scale".
1) I think $200 and above is pretty much out of it except for a very few.
2) Quite a few buy Soundtraxx DDS at $179 list $135 street,
DSX $129 list #99 street, and LC $100 list $80 street
3) I doubt very few are buying MRC $60, list $40 street
4) Very few of any other sound units are sold
I will also stick my nose out and say that two things affect the price I am willing to pay: Size and Sound. If you can capture the exact sound of the locomotive that I model, and also make the decoder small enough to fit in tight spaces, then you will have my dollar, even if the price is at the upper end of the range. I don't need to equip 100 locomotives with sound, so cost is not as big a factor to me.

When I say "capture the sound", I mean that, for example, the EMD E7 needs to sound like it has two prime movers inside, not one. The BLI E7 sounds like a single prime mover inside. And those prime movers in an E7 need to be first generation EMD, not GP40 engines. While I like the BLI E7, I would not have paid more for one than what I did because the prime mover sound is really not correct. The overall package is good, though, and especially the ability to run on our club's DC layout.

I will echo the sentiments of some others and commend QSI for capturing the sound of the N&W A-class so well. For that effort, I give you an "A+". <G> I really love to play the hooter on mine. I have a Wangrow System One and find I have no problem getting the hooter to produce short or long sounds. Can't quite play it the same way as one of the old PFM sound systems, but it is as close as anyone has come in DCC yet.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers,
Kert Peterson
Fircrest, WA
kertp@comcast.net


I stand at least slightly corrected (:->)

billlane@...
 

Pat,

I have been in S Scale for the past 15 years. I have paid as little
attention as possble to things HO until I started to hear about new
sound systems and high end plastic. I even praised the hell out of
the BLI T1 yoday after seeing it yesterday. See
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR-Modeling

My facts my have been a little "off base", but, I hope the spirit of
the messsage was still there. It would be nice to have some friendly
competition with Soundtraxx, for which currently there is not much. I
hope you can give the (uninformed S Scale like me) people want they
want!

BTW, my friend DID buy an HO engine just for the awesome sound
unit.....

Thanks for setting me straight,
Bill


A few Comments

Bill Dixon <WRDixon@...>
 

Good to see this group formed.

I have a new BLI USRA 2-8-2 with sound (my Christmas present to me).

A very nice product. Good sound. I consider it an excellent value, a
third cheaper than an Athearn 2-8-2 and a Soundtraxx decoder and ready
to run. I printed out the full manual. A very comprehensive list of
features.

- - - - -

I too am curious about how the back emf features will be enabled after
the MTH issue is finished.

I see three basic scenarios about this:
1) MTH says sorry, we were wrong and drops all patents. This leaves
the end user on the hook to make things work.
2) MTH loses the fight and pays for the upgrade. (Not likely)
3) MTH dies due to the costs of the court suits. This leaves the user
on the hook to make things work.

I expect that 3 is the most likely case.

I don't expect that there will be an easy way to enable it in current
releases. It would expose QSI and others to more litigation in the
unlikley event that MTH wins their suits.

- - - - -

Re rear headlights - I would also like to install a rear headlight on
my mikado. If I had a Hudson or other model available to look at, I
would check that circuit board to see what solder traces they used for
the light.

- - - - -

It would be nice if BLI made sound equipped tenders available. The
Mikado tender has a close family appearance to the Bachmann 2-8-0
tender. I could use two more tenders.

- - - - -

Smoke Generators - Toy Train Market Only! Having been gassed out by
too many smoke generators running on a TTOS layout, I look forward to
their being banned at public displays. Public comments about their
being hazardous to people with Asthma are starting to do this.

- - - - -

Whistles - I wouldn't mind several choices of whistle in the more
generic models (USRA 2-8-2). Prototype specific models should of
course have the correct whistle. What will you do about locomotives
that have two diffreent whistles? For example 2860, the Royal Hudson
has two different whistles.

- - - - -

Looking forward to more good products with QSI sound.


Bill Dixon


Re: Just joined now

Pat Quinn <quinn1947@...>
 

Hi Bill,
I've re-read your post numerous times. I'm trying to figure out what
one of your sentences is saying: "How a relativly new company could
be contracted to supply a single customer is totally beyond me."

Understand, I'm not at all twitchy about the statement, I'm just
trying to decode it. Is BLI the relatively new company you are
refering to? And what contract are you refering to? On the off
chance that you might be refering to a BLI/QSI relationship, I would
just like to say that QSI is extremely pleased that BLI was brave
enough and had the vision to be the first to use the QSI Quantum
system. We work closely with BLI and do the best we can to ensure
the engine and its interraction with Quantum is as good as possible.

We work with other train manufacturers as well. The near future
should bring you a fairly broad choice of engines from a variety of
manufacturers all containing a QSI Quantum system.

Now, my comments may be not relavent to what you were saying. Maybe
you meant QSI was the relatively new company. It is true, that we
have only been around for 22 years, but then, I am still not clear
what "single customer" you are referring to and what contract you
mean? OK, maybe I'm just nuts and you aren't talking about QSI at
all <g>. Anyway, I hope that something in my post may have clarified
that QSI Quantum Sound is something that you will be able to get
from many engine manufacturers, and perhaps as an after-market
module one day as well.

Generally speaking, if your favorite engine manufacturer, or perhaps
the scale that interests you is not currently available with OEM
Quantum Sound yet, I would encourage you to demonstrate your
interests to your local dealer and perhaps the manufacturer as well.
We can only do so much at a given time. We strive to make all of
your favorite models as exciting and as valuable as possible. We
will get there with time.
-Pat

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--- In QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com, billlane@c... wrote:
Hi All,

I just joined for the simple reason of this posting. From all I
have
heard about QSI, their products SHOULD be availble as a sound unit
only. I am in S Scale. I know some of my friends have bought an HO
engine JUST for the sound unit. I think they either gave or threw
the
HO engine away. Does THAT tell you how bad they wanted that sound
unit? How a relativly new company could be contracted to supply a
single customer is totally beyond me.

I will welcome comments or replies at billlane@c...

Thanks
Bill


Sound Modules for DCC

grchud <chudgr@...>
 

I too am in S Gauge and would like to find more variations in the
sounds produced. I am specifically interested in sounds produced by
NYC steam and diesel locomotives. I have talked to Soundtraxx in the
past and they don't seem interested in sounds, other than those of
western and narrow gauge roads.
Some years back, a gentleman by the name of Keller produced an
early analog, DCC type system, where by dip switches could be
selected to duplicate the various steam whistle and diesel horn
sounds of Leslie, Nathan, or Wabco. It would be a quantum leap
forward in sound generation if this were possible in your current
sound systems.
Also, the S community could use a decoder in the 2.5 to 3 amp range.

Thanks for any response to this inquiry.
Gary Chudzinski


S Scale Sound

Ken
 

Hi Fellow Listers
I have joined because I am in S Scale and have heard that QSI might
have units available in S Scale. I currently am using Soundtraxx
units. Has anyone on the list used Soundtraxx units and how do they
compare to QSI units?
Thanks
Ken (mrhobo)


Just joined now

billlane@...
 

Hi All,

I just joined for the simple reason of this posting. From all I have
heard about QSI, their products SHOULD be availble as a sound unit
only. I am in S Scale. I know some of my friends have bought an HO
engine JUST for the sound unit. I think they either gave or threw the
HO engine away. Does THAT tell you how bad they wanted that sound
unit? How a relativly new company could be contracted to supply a
single customer is totally beyond me.

I will welcome comments or replies at billlane@comcast.net

Thanks
Bill


NYC Hudson

texas3003 <charles.emerson@...>
 

Pat, thanks for creating this group and I hope things go in your
favour in your battle with MTH.
A quick question regarding the BLI Hudson wththe QSI sound system.
As I work some 850klms from home I don't get to run my railroad real
often and as a result my locos sit for upto a month before they get
to move. My BLI NYC Hudson started to act erratically a couple of
months back.It would start okay and run perfectly normal. It was
when it stopped that things would go funny. About 3minutes after
stopping the loco would run away all on it's own and the only way to
stop it was by hitting the emergency stop ( Wangrow System One).

I have now pulled the loco down and cleaned everything, including
all wheel surfaces, checked all connections and relubed the loco. It
now runs fine with no hint of it's previous problem. Would you have
any clues as to what may have caused this as my BLI N&W "A" class
didn't exhibit this problem.
Also will we be able to upgrade the earlier QSI sound modules so as
to get the same features using the same CV's as used in the "A"
class.


Keep up the good work.

Regards Charles Emerson, Bellbird, NSW, Australia


Pat Quinn

E.T. Halloran
 

Pat Quinn,

Could you please respond to post #16 regauarding the use of smoke
units in both the BLI and the Lionel "HO" steam engines with the QSI
sound decoders? This would be much appricieated for it will help
determin if I should put a seperate decoder for the smoke units.

Thank-you,

Terry


Re: New poll for QSIndustries

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I'm going to stick my nose out and comment on price. I have to divide
"tinplate" and "scale". The tinplate folks just spend more and that's a
fact<VBG>. My comments are for "scale".
1) I think $200 and above is pretty much out of it except for a very few.
2) Quite a few buy Soundtraxx DDS at $179 list $135 street,
DSX $129 list #99 street, and LC $100 list $80 street
3) I doubt very few are buying MRC $60, list $40 street
4) Very few of any other sound units are sold

So if we are talking top of the line the bar is a Soundtraxx Tsunami
(when or if released). I consider the QSI unit very close to the Soundtraxx
units however I can't judge it against the Tsunami because they are not out.
The QSI unit does have a problem (for many) because of complexity of
programming, but has an advantage of included speakers (like the BLI Hudson
module for example). The Hudson module also could have a size problem for
some. Also remember the LC group has a choice of a lot of PnP units. Which
gets to my _SWAG_ as to what QSI could do and the pricing.
If they could sell a module similar to the BLI Hudson module for $100
MSRP. I think they could sell the hell out of it, with a caveat.
Distribution and price structure might be a problem.
OK, fire away<VBG>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: DCC sound and O Scale 2 rail

rod@...
 

A sorta me too also. I am already running DCC on my home layout. There
are quite a few locos yet to be converted.

A comment for Pat WRT his comment about plenty of room. Things can get
pretty tight when the tender is a vanderbilt tender that has almost no
access to the interior. Then everything has to go in the engine. On a
small loco there isn't much room for decoders and a speaker as the
motor and boiler weight take up lots of space.

Lastly, almost on track, O scale motors are 12 volt, the same as HO.
Please don't be mis-led by the N/HO/Large Scale selector switch on some
boosters.

Rod


Let me add my wishes for a large scale aftermarket DCC Sound
decoder which would also operate on a standard DC 2 rail
layout.

I can tell you from experience that there are many O scale 2
railers who would like to selectively put sound in their locos and
have a choice of running on DC or DCC. (perhaps club vs home)

There are also many O Scalers like myself who are on the brink
of going DCC. I bought Easy DCC for my 2 rail layout last year
but have been waiting for a better choice in decoders before
making the switch.

There is also a large group of three rail O guage/scale guys who
tell me the only thing that keeps them from moving to 2 rail O
Scale is loosing the cool sounding electronics. (many of them
QSI)

Just my 2 cents worth. And Thanks.

Tom Lewis





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Re: New poll for QSIndustries (Power Control - Poll 1)

John Gibson
 

Pat:

Thank you for having the guts to start this list. I am very
impressed when a manufacturer will go the extra mile to solicit
unbiased input from their customers. You have caught my attention.
I will be directing my DCC friends here for sure.

Though I am not in HO (I am a S scale modeler who runs DCC), I
answered the poll anyway. Pat and list, please note there are many
of us in S and Sn3 who would love to see a DCC sound alternative to
Soundtraxx. I will be directing my S scale DCC friends here for sure.

Cheer'S

John Gibson
Rocklin, CA


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
QSIndustries group:

QSI would like to know how you run your
HO trains

o DC (conventional) only
o DCC only
o Both DC and DCC
o DC at home DCC at a club
o I collect (don't operate)


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Re: New poll for QSIndustries

fbritt@...
 

I think this poll needs to be defined better. I just spent $250 for a
Phoenix sound card for my 1/8 scale locomotive and would probably
spend that amount and more for a computer friendly SoundTraxx
SurroundTraxx system (if it ever happens) for my N scale layout.
Puting sound in one of my HO locos is a different matter, though.

Regards,

Britt Harrington
miami, Florida


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
QSIndustries group:

This is the highest price for an after-
market sound system at which really I
wish it cost less, but it doesn't
actually stop me from buying at least a
few. Quality would likely vary with
price.

o $300+ - top of the line
o $250
o $200
o $175
o $150
o $125
o $100
o $75
o $50 - pretty much a toy
o wouldn't want if FREE


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New poll for QSIndustries

QSIndustries@...
 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
QSIndustries group:

This is the highest price for an after-
market sound system at which really I
wish it cost less, but it doesnt
actually stop me from buying at least a
few. Quality would likely vary with
price.

o $300+ - top of the line
o $250
o $200
o $175
o $150
o $125
o $100
o $75
o $50 - pretty much a toy
o wouldn't want if FREE


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Re: Whatever

kenruof <krrjm@...>
 

Pat,

I am using an NCE powerhouse pro and using there engineer cabs and
the first time I try the whistle I cannot get a short blast, but the
following ones I can most of the time if I am quick enough on the
horn button.

IE: grade crossing - 0 -- 0 not 0 0 -- 0 like it should be.

Thanks
Ken Ruof

--- In QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com, "Pat Quinn" <quinn1947@y...>
wrote:
"soundset" is the term I loosly apply to mean: the ensemble of
sounds
that make up the engine title. The C-16 whistle has about 7 files
that make it up (100+ files for the entire list of sounds for the C-
16). We test these things out extensively both on DC and DCC before
we let them out to play. That's why I definitly want to get to the
bottom of this. I'd like lots more operator experience reports on
this one. Thanks guys. -pq



--- In QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Miller" <atsf@i...> wrote:
While not having a C16* it sounds like we might be talking
about apples
and oranges here. Pat's description sound like the QSI
electronics
have a
"sound set" for different whistle sounds (Pat correct me if I'm
wrong).
Most DCC users are used to "playing" the whistle, which means
they
can get
any length they want depending on how long the button is held
down**.
Different whistle sounds "play" differently and a radio throttle
is
the
hardest because of the small delay in transmission***. With a
radio
throttle you really need to plug in the throttle to get the
best "playing"
of the whistle.
I'm sure the QSI "sound set" if that's what they have is to
make the
unit usable on DC. The Soundtraxx unit works on nothing but DCC
so
different rules apply, again Pat can correct if I'm wrong on this.

*I do have an BLI E7 and no radio and it's possible to
get "some" play
but not as easy as with a Soundtraxx unit.

**Soundtraxx (again I pretty sure this is correct) uses a
sound
loop
which can be broken into any time. This way a whistle of any
length can be
obtained, depending on when the button is pushed and for how
long.
I'm not
sure what QSI uses?

*** My throttle does have IR and there is a noticeable
difference
between using IR and connected.


Re: DCC sound and O Scale 2 rail

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Let me add my wishes for a large scale aftermarket DCC Sound decoder which
would also operate on a standard DC 2 rail
layout.<
There is actually another sound/decoder system out there that competes
with QSI called Phoenix. Of course it has different features just as
Soundtraxx is different from QSI. It will fit in HO but everyone into DCC
I've ever talked with turns around and walks away as soon as they hear the
price! $300<VBG>!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


DCC sound and O Scale 2 rail

Tom Lewis
 

Pat,

Let me add my wishes for a large scale aftermarket DCC Sound
decoder which would also operate on a standard DC 2 rail
layout.

I can tell you from experience that there are many O scale 2
railers who would like to selectively put sound in their locos and
have a choice of running on DC or DCC. (perhaps club vs home)

There are also many O Scalers like myself who are on the brink
of going DCC. I bought Easy DCC for my 2 rail layout last year
but have been waiting for a better choice in decoders before
making the switch.

There is also a large group of three rail O guage/scale guys who
tell me the only thing that keeps them from moving to 2 rail O
Scale is loosing the cool sounding electronics. (many of them
QSI)

Just my 2 cents worth. And Thanks.

Tom Lewis


Re: Shorting Mikados and restoration of Disabled features

Jeff Kraker <jkraker@...>
 

Check your gauge. All of my mikes the drivers were narrow. If you have power routed turnouts that would cause your shorts on the back of the drivers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elliott [mailto:ejanofsky@hvc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:24 PM
To: QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QSIndustries] Shorting Mikados and restoration of Disabled
features


I had the same problem as Larry Colacicco withQSI mikes. When going over
switches , they would short out and completely shut down requiring a
complete reset by removing the jumper on the board in the tender. Is there
some setting to change to prevent this from occurring each time. It should
reset itself as with a circuit breaker with auto reset.
Also is there a plan to re-enable the disabled Regulated Throttle
control and speed control in the future. Thanks, Elliott




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Re: Whatever Clarification

debirdsongjr <rrpete@...>
 

Just to be clear, I AM able to get a short whistle with the DT400R,
plugged in or not makes no difference, BUT: I have to punch the
whistle button just right - not too hard and not too long, or I get
the full whistle, and not too lightly or too short (no whistle); and
when I DO get the short whistle, as others have said, it sounds
truncated - no trail-off.

Willing to learn a better technique, procedure, etc., but I don't
plan to run it on DC just to get a better whistle <G>!
Pete Birdsong

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wrote:
I'm not aware of a problem with the C-16 soundset regarding short
whistles. Does ANYONE out there have a C-16 who IS able to produce
short whistle blasts? It may be possible that the DT400R produces
some sort of "minimum" whistle signal that I am not aware of. Try
operating the C-16 in conventional (DC) mode. Are you able to
produce short whistle blasts that way? [REALLY short = bell toggle,
MEDIUM short should be a quick whistle blast. Please help out
everybody; this is how we can improve product quality really
quickly - feedback. Thanks! -pq


Shorting Mikados and restoration of Disabled features

Elliott <ejanofsky@...>
 

I had the same problem as Larry Colacicco withQSI mikes. When going over
switches , they would short out and completely shut down requiring a
complete reset by removing the jumper on the board in the tender. Is there
some setting to change to prevent this from occurring each time. It should
reset itself as with a circuit breaker with auto reset.
Also is there a plan to re-enable the disabled Regulated Throttle
control and speed control in the future. Thanks, Elliott

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