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Wiring diagram for Atlas Trainmaster with QSI sound.

Larry and Marlene
 

I’m new on this group so this question may have been posted or answered in the past.

 

I recently received a QSI sound decoder that came from an Atlas ho Trainmaster.

I have no wiring diagram or description of the various electrical connections and would like a diagram so I can attempt to install this in to a different Fairbanks Motive (FM) locomotive without fear of frying the decoder.

I haven’t had much luck in searching the usual web sites so, hopefully, someone here might be able to help.

 

Thanks for any assistance you could provide.

 

Larry B

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Dan Howard
 

Maybe an email to this organization could be helpful: https://www.onrhts.org/

-Dan


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Alex Stanojevic
 

David,

From the discussion so far, it is my understanding that D# chime is the loudest of three. More like a distress sound. The other two complement the first, more like a cord. 

It would help if someone knew where Ontario Northland is keeping record of their operations data for necessary licensing. They would have to have a record of the chime types in use.

Regards

Alex

On Aug 26, 2021, at 00:22, Kelzenberg, David C <david-kelzenberg@...> wrote:

I’m not an expert on train horn makes and models, but this confuses me.  Not sure what a “D# dominant” is  (D# minor is D#-F#-A#, the “dominant” of that minor chord would be an A# major chord, A#-Cx-E#.  Sorry, 10 years of college music theory.)  I can’t tell you what would be appropriate for your Canadian horn, but I heard hundreds of three-chime horns back in the 50s and 60s (as well as the single note “honks” that were very common but mostly disappeared long ago) and in those days they were always a major chord in first inversion, like D-F-Bb, a much prettier sound than the D# minor triad.

 

David C. Kelzenberg

Iowa City, IA  52240  USA

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stanojevic via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 6:35 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

 

Thank you TCC,

 

So its a three chime D# minor dominant. I will try playing K3H, M3H and S3K sound files and compare with Youtube video recordings of Ontario Northland.

 

Regards

 

Alex


On Aug 25, 2021, at 17:39, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote:

Alex;

As these are Canadian units, they will have the Canadian D# minor chord.  Quite harsh and not a US sound at all.
From looking at pics it appears to be a Holden (Nathan) K3HR.  Maybe Dan can offer a number with that horn rather than the US chord.

For Nathan/Airchime ya want  either a M3H or K3H but not the K3HA.  The later is a weird US thing.
For Leslie ya want an S3K.

TCC:}


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

 

I guess what I'm finding out from this thread, is: The Canadian gov't tells the railroads which horn to use. They want a distinctive one that don't sound like anything else. Not a U.S. loco horn. Not an ambulance, fire truck, police car, etc. Totally and only used by train locos. Am I right? No wonder I always preferred a steam whistle. <large grin>
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

The D# minor triad is mandated by Canadian Law because it is so displeasing.
Train horns derived from boat horns and so the pleasing, or less harsh, tones of most.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
group_list@dapenguin.net

On 25August2021, at 21:22, Kelzenberg, David C <david-kelzenberg@uiowa.edu> wrote:

I’m not an expert on train horn makes and models, but this confuses me. Not sure what a “D# dominant” is (D# minor is D#-F#-A#, the “dominant” of that minor chord would be an A# major chord, A#-Cx-E#. Sorry, 10 years of college music theory.) I can’t tell you what would be appropriate for your Canadian horn, but I heard hundreds of three-chime horns back in the 50s and 60s (as well as the single note “honks” that were very common but mostly disappeared long ago) and in those days they were always a major chord in first inversion, like D-F-Bb, a much prettier sound than the D# minor triad.


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Kelzenberg, David C
 

I’m not an expert on train horn makes and models, but this confuses me.  Not sure what a “D# dominant” is  (D# minor is D#-F#-A#, the “dominant” of that minor chord would be an A# major chord, A#-Cx-E#.  Sorry, 10 years of college music theory.)  I can’t tell you what would be appropriate for your Canadian horn, but I heard hundreds of three-chime horns back in the 50s and 60s (as well as the single note “honks” that were very common but mostly disappeared long ago) and in those days they were always a major chord in first inversion, like D-F-Bb, a much prettier sound than the D# minor triad.

 

David C. Kelzenberg

Iowa City, IA  52240  USA

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stanojevic via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 6:35 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

 

Thank you TCC,

 

So its a three chime D# minor dominant. I will try playing K3H, M3H and S3K sound files and compare with Youtube video recordings of Ontario Northland.

 

Regards

 

Alex


On Aug 25, 2021, at 17:39, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote:

Alex;

As these are Canadian units, they will have the Canadian D# minor chord.  Quite harsh and not a US sound at all.
From looking at pics it appears to be a Holden (Nathan) K3HR.  Maybe Dan can offer a number with that horn rather than the US chord.

For Nathan/Airchime ya want  either a M3H or K3H but not the K3HA.  The later is a weird US thing.
For Leslie ya want an S3K.

TCC:}


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Alex Stanojevic
 

Thank you TCC,

So its a three chime D# minor dominant. I will try playing K3H, M3H and S3K sound files and compare with Youtube video recordings of Ontario Northland.

Regards

Alex


On Aug 25, 2021, at 17:39, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr <group_list@...> wrote:

Alex;

As these are Canadian units, they will have the Canadian D# minor chord.  Quite harsh and not a US sound at all.
From looking at pics it appears to be a Holden (Nathan) K3HR.  Maybe Dan can offer a number with that horn rather than the US chord.

For Nathan/Airchime ya want  either a M3H or K3H but not the K3HA.  The later is a weird US thing.
For Leslie ya want an S3K.

TCC:}


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Alex;

As these are Canadian units, they will have the Canadian D# minor chord.  Quite harsh and not a US sound at all.
From looking at pics it appears to be a Holden (Nathan) K3HR.  Maybe Dan can offer a number with that horn rather than the US chord.

For Nathan/Airchime ya want  either a M3H or K3H but not the K3HA.  The later is a weird US thing.
For Leslie ya want an S3K.

TCC:}


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Alex Stanojevic
 

Dan,

Thank you very much. I will load those files into Q1a programmer and test. 

I bought those Ontario Northlander P2K units at the trade show in Woodstock Ontario. Therefore I can not say if the sound files are the original ones or subsequently loaded into those models.

Regards

Alex


On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:03, Dan Howard via groups.io <stm5468@...> wrote:

Alex,

After looking at a number of photos online, it appears these locomotives have a 3 chime horn, although I don't know which one. 

My sound file recommendations are either 112-12 with the Nathan K3 or 112-14 with the Leslie S-3.

-Dan


Re: QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Dan Howard
 

Alex,

After looking at a number of photos online, it appears these locomotives have a 3 chime horn, although I don't know which one. 

My sound file recommendations are either 112-12 with the Nathan K3 or 112-14 with the Leslie S-3.

-Dan


Re: BLI SW-7 problem and upgrade

Alex Stanojevic
 

Eric,

I had similar problem. It originated from poor contact between plcc32 socket and flash memory chip. The solution to this kind of problem is to replace plcc32 socket. As a temporary solution you may want to bent forward those contacts not lined up with each other.

A word of caution, you may permanently damage Q1a chip when attempting installation with Quantum Manager of a file with different horn. Original software on the chip may be damaged beyond repair. Those poor connections will generate noise and corrupt onboard file while attempting update.

Regards

Alex


On Aug 24, 2021, at 15:27, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

I have a very old BLI SW-7 that has run very well for a long time.  It still runs very well, but every once in a while the speaker will emit a random burst of static like noise.  I actually have another never before run version and swapped decoders.  The noise is definitely the old decoder and not the speakers.  The question is kind of two parts.  One, if I get the Litchfield station upgrade chip will this help the problem?  Two, is the DAC on the upgrade chip or (more likely) on the flat chip soldered to the top?  If it is a DAC or audio amp problem I'm guessing I am SOL.  Thanks.

Eric Mumper


BLI SW-7 problem and upgrade

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

I have a very old BLI SW-7 that has run very well for a long time.  It still runs very well, but every once in a while the speaker will emit a random burst of static like noise.  I actually have another never before run version and swapped decoders.  The noise is definitely the old decoder and not the speakers.  The question is kind of two parts.  One, if I get the Litchfield station upgrade chip will this help the problem?  Two, is the DAC on the upgrade chip or (more likely) on the flat chip soldered to the top?  If it is a DAC or audio amp problem I'm guessing I am SOL.  Thanks.

Eric Mumper


QSI Q1a Ontario Northland horn

Alex Stanojevic
 

Hi all,

I have two P2K GP9II HO units of Ontario Northland. Does anyone know the horn type used by Ontario Northland. 

QSI produced number of q1a sound files related to GP9 diesel. Which one is the correct one for Ontario Northland?

Regards

Alex


Re: Contacting QSI

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Yes, Kelly is on the moderator list:)

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
group_list@dapenguin.net

On 20August2021, at 18:14, peteski7 via groups.io <peteski7=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The subject line read: "[Special] [QSIndustries] Contacting QSI", so that implies that Kelly sent that out as a "Special Notice". I think he has to be a group owner or a moderator to be able to do that.


Re: Contacting QSI

peteski7
 

Funny that you mentioned this.  I have my membership to this group configured for "no emails, special notices only".  I always read the group using the Groups.io web interface, and not receive group's emails.  However yesterday, I received Kelly's email in email Inbox.  I was very surprised.  And yes, that email contained complete (not partially hidden) QSI email address.

The subject line read: "[Special] [QSIndustries] Contacting QSI", so that implies that Kelly sent that out as a "Special Notice".  I think he has to be a group owner or a moderator to be able to do that.

The QSIndustries email address he provided is qsindustries224 AT gmail DOT com

Peteski

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 07:54 PM, Paul B/Indy wrote:
Interestingly, it did not chop it off my version of his message.  He is on gmail.
 
Paul B/Indy
 


Re: Contacting QSI

Paul B/Indy
 

Interestingly, it did not chop it off my version of his message.  He is on gmail.

Paul B/Indy


On Aug 20, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Greg Elmassian <greg@...> wrote:

kelly, the web interface chops off part of the email address...

can you re-submit it as

first DOT second AT blahblah DOT com ?

as soon as it finds the "at symbol" it truncates.

Greg


Re: Contacting QSI

Greg Elmassian
 

kelly, the web interface chops off part of the email address...

can you re-submit it as

first DOT second AT blahblah DOT com ?

as soon as it finds the "at symbol" it truncates.

Greg


Re: Contacting QSI

 

I for one, am ready to help. It appears that Kelly does not have all those requests. May Be Lost, or whatever. In any event, I suggest you resend all requests to Kelly.  But, as he says: "please re-send your requests to qsindustries224@....". 
I think he deserves the chance and personally wish Kelly the best of luck. But like last time, is the server "gmail"? I had sent an email to that address at gmail and haven't received a reply. But the email I sent to Kelly did receive a reply. So we now know Kelly is alive. 
But I also want to say. That when someone is trying to maintain a business on a part time basis, we know that time is valuable. So I for one, am patiently waiting for this business to blossom. The QSI decoder is superior and deserves more recognition for the quality.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: BLI Hudson cica 2001

joe.roszkowski8@...
 

Charles,

Yes it is the 2 part board.  Need the upper (smaller) board where chip plugs in.  If you have it more than willing to pay for it.

thx


Re: Contacting QSI

peterebherron
 

Hey Kelly long time. I had inquired about HO Titans and trading in a couple of Revolutions. Never got a reply.  Still looking.

Thanks,

Peter


On Aug 19, 2021, at 9:00 PM, kelly dorf <kelly.dorf@...> wrote:

Hello everyone.
Sorry for going dark for awhile.  In addition to Covid protocols, I have had a lot of personal issues to deal with.
However, I am back part time and truly want to take care of all of you.
If you are looking for decoders or other items, please re-send your requests to qsindustries224@....
QSI is operating on a very limited schedule right now, and I dont have time to go back thru all the emails and comments.
Lets just start over.

Thank you for your understanding and support.

Kelly
QSI

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