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Re: Q

 

To all: I want to thank you ALL! What I've learned in this forum is: Reading the manual is more easily understood with some help from y'all. Most of what y'all have been telling me is now getting clearer as I find it in the manual. Just for a little background: I started with a Digitrax non-sound decoder. With the Zephyr, was able to work CV's 2,3,4,5,6. I then purchased a Bachmann with a non-sound decoder. Mistake. Couldn't program it. Digitrax told me to use a resistor to do so. Duh! So I bought the SPROG and hooked up PC and JMRI. Found two different decoders for this Bachmann. One was 2f and one was 4f. With 2f, couldn't change speed. Switched to 4f and was able to change max and mid speeds. That was as far as I went. Then, I bought a Bachmann with sound. Again a cheap one. Had a bunch of trouble getting CV's to work. Finally wound up using the speed table and that problem was solved. In the meantime, I had a4 BLI locos with Paragon 2 and 1 with P 3. So, with JMRI, I started working CV's on those. For the most part, was successful in doing so. Programming speed and sound, volume, etc. I stopped there. Then, came the old QSI. That wouldn't program either, similar to Bachmann. Had to use a resistor. So now I'm able to work with the QSI. Hence all these questions since January. I am 82 yrs old and have no energy, fatigue settles in rapidly. So I can only work on the layout for short periods. I hope this all explains why I'm a pest. And is why I'm so thankful for the help.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

 
Edited

Marcus: I understand exactly what you outlined to get speed in MPH verbally. I do have a question raised by you. You said CV62 should be 00 when I want verbal in POM. But CV64 should be 01? As I understand this, CV64 at 00 is off. And 01 turns it on POM. I guess I just don't understand what a "verbal acknowledgement" is for. K.I.S.S. If I turn verbal on POM with CV64=01; does that do what I want? Leaving CV62=00. ?? So that I can then using UT4D, be able to get the verbal speed in MPH by pressing f10 as you described above. I am ready to try this. And to be honest, if this all works, I will stop asking about it. Promise! I do see how to change a function key as you described and that makes perfect sense. So, when I want to, can change f5 to Status Report MPH. If I remember correctly, the "Dynamic Brake" has no use in a steam engine. So, f5 is useless now, and would be a good choice for S.R.MPH. Is this now correct?
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Atlas Trainmaster QSI decoder problem

Maureen Haugh
 

I have an Atlas Trainmaster with a QSI sound decoder. The engine does not operate on either DC or DCC. Track voltage to the decoder is 15.7 volts. Bypassing the decoder with DC shows the the electric motor itself tests good.
JMRI does not identify decoder and is unable to read CV8. The specific response was, “Stopping due to error: No acknowledgement from locomotive (308)”. Other engines tested and diagnosis ran and tested correctly.
I suspect the decoder has failed. Anything else I should attempt prior to replacing this decoder? 

Thanks in advance for your assistance. Frank


Re: Q

 

Wow, Peteski: I was just reviewing the messages. What I meant by JMRI being a crutch. What I should have said "an absolute necessity". I can't imaging a model railroader/or rather "railroad modeler" doing any programming beyond CV 2,3,4,5,6 without it. Back with just the DCS50, no PC interface, working with those basic CV's was relatively easy. And going beyond them was "work" - work for a novice. Then, the SPROG and JMRI and bam! What a breeze. Yes, I know we don't need 95% of the CV's. But since working with this QSI decoder, we would never be able to do so without JMRI. So, yes, I love JMRI and am totally grateful to all the developers - all over the world. No matter who they are or where they are from. 5 stars! Now, for latching. What is happening to me is: When I use f2 on any loco, it blows the whistle non latching. But when I use f2 on the QSI loco, it is latching. Stays on until I push it again. So, to me, it's a decoder problem, not command station. 99% of the time, I use the DCS50 because it's so simple. As for the extra functions, as John has mentioned, the UT4D should work. But that's another matter. Let me concentrate on functions with you. Is there any way to change f2 to non-latching without going through the command station? Is there any place in JMRI? I didn't find one, that's why I'm asking. The manual didn't address this at all. And this makes sense based upon what you are telling me. Thanks. It's just that this QSI decoder is backwards. And apparently there's no fix. Same as changing sound or sound levels. Sound Status - yes, as explained by Marcus.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

peteski7
 

MOrgan,
I really thing you are too worried about CVs (and how many CVs there are in some specific decoder).,  CVs are just registers that retains configuration settings. In the days of simple non-sound decoders it was easy to figure out the desired values on paper, then just program (about half a dozen) manually on your DCC programming track, manually, using the throttle keypad.  Early sound decoders (and even some simpler current decoders, like Digitrax) added several additional CV regsters inside the decoders, but it is still easy to figure out their values and program the decoder manually.

Nowadays, there are several very complex sound decoders available, with hundreds of CV registers inside them. But that does not mean that you have to become expert and understand what they are all for.  Even expert DCC users (and most of us average DCC users) don't ever touch probably 95% of the CV registers inside the QSI decoder. I don't. But it is nice to know that if we really want to futz around with some very advanced settings, the decoder is capable of such task.

As far as JMRI and DecoderPro being a crutch, nothing can be further from that!  It is a very useful tool that simplifies programing of any decoder, and especially those complex decoders like QSI.  Things like double indexed CV registers and setting individual bits of CVs make my brain swell, just like you feel.  DecoderPro takes care of all the mumbo-jumbo for you, so all you need to worry is what you want the decoder to do.  You should not feel that DecoderPro dumbs you down. It is a very useful tool that should make you forget about those pesky CV registers.

As for configuring functions for being latching or non-latching, that is not done on the decoder. It is a function of the DCC throttle and/or command station.  By default, F1 (bell) should be latching, and F2 (whistle.horn) should be non-latching.  If they are not, don't blame the decoder - you need to figure out how to reset your DCC throttle back to default settings.  What throttle are you using where F2 is latching and F1 is not?  If you can't  figure out how to set it back to factory defaults, you might want to join a group for that brand of DCC system, and ask for help there.

Peteski


Re: Q

 

Peteski: My experience was limited to a few BLI Paragon 2 & 3. All I've been able to accomplish is the basic CV's. 2,3,4,5,6. And maybe a few others that were obvious on JMRI. You must realize that using JMRI is like a crutch. I really don't grasp all the info about CV's. JMRI simplifies all that to the point of K.I.S.S. So I am still learning. The magic word is "latching". The f2 is latching on QSI for the whistle/horn. And it should not be latching. When I press f2, the whistle blows until I press it again. How do I make it unlatching? Similar to f1, where the bell is not latching and I have to keep that button down. That f1 should be latching. How do I make it so? Yes, these are basic questions, but I have a lot of trouble figuring out the manuals. 468 pages is a lot of manual. I simply hate the idea of attempting ESU decoders. So I will never buy any. Please be patient with me.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

 

John: You are correct. I had never noticed that the UT4D had more than 8 functions. I looked at it and thought it was the same as the DCS50. Thank you! To all/before I take time to test what y'all suggested. I will take a day or so to try and get back to you. This is a new learning experience to me. Yes, I had programmed some BLI Paragon 2 & 3. But this QSI seems to be very different and I admit to not being the quickest learner.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

John Burkhardt
 

Morgan,

In your signature line you state ownership of a UT4D - have a closer look at it and read the instruction leaflet to learn how to access more functions than you can with the built in Throttle in your DCS50 which I agree is ltd to F8 tops.
--
John Burkhardt
South Africa
Where the sun always shines
and Steam still reigns!


Re: Q

peteski7
 

The horn/whistle on F2 conundrum is not really all that confusing if you understand American DCC.  For whatever reason American DCC manufacturers decided that F1 will be by default assigned to activating the bell sound, and F2  activating the other locomotive signaling device: bell in Diesels,  and whistle in steam locos.  It is a simple as that.  That is why the American handheld throttle manufacturers label F1 and F2 that way.

On the other hand, European sound decoder manufacturers do not have such predefined function button for horn/whistle (and most don't even have a bell function, since there are no bells on European locos).

Why is the F2 button universally labeled with a picture of a horn, or with the text "HORN"?  I don't really know.  Maybe because a picture of a horn is more readily recognizable than a picture of a whistle? Maybe because HORN has only 4 letters, while WHISTLE has 7 letters, so the HORN legend is easier to fit over a small button? Maybe because there are probably more Diesel modelers than steam modelers?

So, just ignore the fact that the F2 button is labeled as "horn". It will blow the whistle on your steam loco. It is working as designed.  Also, F2 is usually a non-latching function on a throttle, so the horn/whistle will blow only for as long as the button is depressed. Bell, (F1) on the other hand, is a latching function. if you press it, the bell will start ringing, and will continue ringing after you release the button, It will ring until you press and release F1 again.

I'm curious -- how much experience do you have with DCC sound in general (not specifically QSI)?  You are asking very basic questions.

Peteski


Re: Q

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Morgan

 

I selected Decoder Pro’s Decoder Definition for the PCM PRRI1sa 2-10-0 and the Status Report is there.

Using the Program Track.

If you use POM., you have to disable the Verbal Acknowledgment in CV 62 on the QSI Misc Tab.

 

Select the Sound Control Tab

Check Tick “Status Report MPH”

Select Function Output Tab

Default shows F10 operates Status Report for both Fwd/Rev and Neutral.

 

Your Digitrax, you said you cannot operate F10.

 

Using the same Function Output Tab.

Select a F0 to F9 that suitable for you.

Select “Status Report” instead of the selected default setting for that Function.

WRITE the Changes on Sheet or Write FULL Sheet.  

 

Operate the loco on the Main and press the appropriate Function Button.

Did you get a Speed Report.

If not you done something incorrect OR the particular decoder does not support this feature – not included by QSI, when they made the decoder file.

 

Hope this helps

 

Regards

Marcus

 

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of PennsyNut
Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2021 10:23 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q

 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 05:24 PM, Marcus Ammann wrote:

In my Decoder Pro I cannot find a Decoder Definition for your PRRI1sa loco you have said your model is.

What is the actual Decoder Definition you are using?

Marcus: Here's the best I can do:

That is the correct one. Verified by another QSI guru.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 05:24 PM, Marcus Ammann wrote:

In my Decoder Pro I cannot find a Decoder Definition for your PRRI1sa loco you have said your model is.

What is the actual Decoder Definition you are using?

Marcus: Here's the best I can do:

That is the correct one. Verified by another QSI guru.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Morgan

 

Other modellers more familiar than me with the USA QSI releases have replied about your issues on this list and some go back to Jan 2021. Did you post a message on the JMRIusers @ Groups i.o as one modeller suggested?

 

In my Decoder Pro I cannot find a Decoder Definition for your PRRI1sa loco you have said your model is.

What is the actual Decoder Definition you are using?

 

An idiosyncrasy about 2 of MY Version 7 QSI equipped locos, BOTH decoder definitions say the MPH that the loco is moving (Status) is available but ONLY ONE announces the SPEED when I press F10.

What this says to me and I’ve been involved with “setting up” locos with QSI and the Manufacturer, that QSI did not for some reason, implement that feature in that OEM version but the Decoder Definition say  that it is in there. Remember Decoder Definitions are written by Volunteers and they maybe “Generic” for the model/version.

 

About not being able to access F10 on your Digitrax, you can re-assign the “Status” verbal to be activated by another Function button.

 

I hope you can find a solution to your questions but in case you cannot, lots of fun running the QSI equipped Decapod can be had on your layout without one or two of “the Bells & Whistles”.

 

Regards

Marcus

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From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of PennsyNut
Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2021 4:01 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q

 

Sorry, John: That leads to more questions. My controller does not go to function 10, it only goes from 0 to 9, or 10 functions in total. So I can't access a function 10. And now I have another question. The whistle, function 2. Press it and it stays on. Press it again to stop. The manual refers to a "horn button". Again, my controller does not have a horn button. So apparently a lot of stuff in the manual does not apply to me. This is why it's so difficult and frustrating to understand how to do the things that the manual refers to and is impossible to do. Is there a way to get that horn F2 to function like other locos? So it only blows when the button is pressed and as soon as you release it, it stops? I am sorry to have to ask because the manual is not clear to me. I suspect that if I use the SPROG and JMRI in POM, that I might be able to use the JMRI throttle to access function 10/11/12. And as you can figure - that is extremely difficult for me - the PC and the layout are not right on top of each other and reaching from the PC/JMRI/throttle to the layout/loco is too far. Besides, that JRMI throttle with it's slide control is another problem. The round knob on either the DCS50 or the UT4D is certainly a lot easier. And in fact, the UT4D can be used standing right there with the loco. Hence/POM that way is super easy. When using the pt is where the distance of the PC is a problem.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

 
Edited

Sorry, John: That leads to more questions. My controller does not go to function 10, it only goes from 0 to 9, or 10 functions in total. So I can't access a function 10. And now I have another question. The whistle, function 2. Press it and it stays on. Press it again to stop. The manual refers to a "horn button". Again, my controller does not have a horn button. So apparently a lot of stuff in the manual does not apply to me. This is why it's so difficult and frustrating to understand how to do the things that the manual refers to and is impossible to do. Is there a way to get that horn F2 to function like other locos? So it only blows when the button is pressed and as soon as you release it, it stops? I am sorry to have to ask because the manual is not clear to me. I suspect that if I use the SPROG and JMRI in POM, that I might be able to use the JMRI throttle to access function 10/11/12. And as you can figure - that is extremely difficult for me - the PC and the layout are not right on top of each other and reaching from the PC/JMRI/throttle to the layout/loco is too far. Besides, that JRMI throttle with it's slide control is another problem. The round knob on either the DCS50 or the UT4D is certainly a lot easier. And in fact, the UT4D can be used standing right there with the loco. Hence/POM that way is super easy. When using the pt is where the distance of the PC is a problem. John: Wouldn't it be easier for us if you'd click on my name and send a message offline and we can coommunicate easier?
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

John Burkhardt
 

Morgan, Try functions in range F10/11/12.

 

Thanks and warm regards,

 

John Burkhardt

South Africa

where the sun always shines,

and steam still reigns!

 

 

 

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io [mailto:QSIndustries@groups.io] On Behalf Of PennsyNut
Sent: 09 August 2021 03:37 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q

 

Yes, Marcus. I "think" I'm pretty clear now. I honestly don't think there's any problem using SPROG & Zephyr. The final readout is JMRI. And "if" I change anything with the Zephyr and POM, when I put it back on the pt with the Zephyr and read it on JMRI, it will show what was changed. And a CV on the Zephyr is the same as the CV on the SPROG. As long as I read and write and am consistent. This is another subject off topic from QSI. Did I say bell volume? I meant the frequency. That's one way I differ my 3 Consolidations. And as I mentioned, the 2 Decapods are different enough as is. QSI vs Paragon 2. But again, the bell frequency can be different too. As for the banshee, they are also different. Enough for ease in knowing which is which. My shelf layout is 24' long and when standing at one end, can tell which loco is at the other end. MR is fun! I just thought of another question about QSI. Did I read somewhere that using POM and verbal, you can enter a CV that will give the speed that the particular loco is running?
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


--
John Burkhardt
South Africa
Where the sun always shines
and Steam still reigns!


Re: Q

 

Yes, Marcus. I "think" I'm pretty clear now. I honestly don't think there's any problem using SPROG & Zephyr. The final readout is JMRI. And "if" I change anything with the Zephyr and POM, when I put it back on the pt with the Zephyr and read it on JMRI, it will show what was changed. And a CV on the Zephyr is the same as the CV on the SPROG. As long as I read and write and am consistent. This is another subject off topic from QSI. Did I say bell volume? I meant the frequency. That's one way I differ my 3 Consolidations. And as I mentioned, the 2 Decapods are different enough as is. QSI vs Paragon 2. But again, the bell frequency can be different too. As for the banshee, they are also different. Enough for ease in knowing which is which. My shelf layout is 24' long and when standing at one end, can tell which loco is at the other end. MR is fun! I just thought of another question about QSI. Did I read somewhere that using POM and verbal, you can enter a CV that will give the speed that the particular loco is running?
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Morgan

 

Sorry about that, I just copied your loco details and did a search.

Now we’ve got the loco right with a JMRI Decoder Definition, we’re all set to go with JMRI programming the features that are allowed.

 

Your two Decapods will always sound different, you cannot do anything about that, unless you fit them with the same decoder with the same sound project.

 

If you don’t use POM then don’t worry about CV 62.

Later you say you use POM with the Digitrax, then if you change the Bell Volume it’s a TWO CV procedure – CV 52.8.

When you do program the Bell Volume, with Verbal Acknowledgment on, the loco will start announcing CV 52 and it may miss the rest of the 2 CV programming instruction.

 

Using two different Command Station – Sprog and Digitrax, certainly creates issues with what’s in the decoder that from the sound of it, you’re on top of it.

 

I have a Laptop connected to my NCE Power Pro system where I can select the Program Track or the Main, program with JMRI with Service mode for the Program Track and Operations mode for out on the layout. Decoder Pro remembers the values, so need to “copy them over”.

 

You said “. So I will have to work within the restrictions. Is this now clear?

 

Yes you have to work with restrictions and are you asking me “is it now clear”.

 

I’m just trying to help you.

 

Regards

Marcus

 

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of PennsyNut
Sent: Saturday, 7 August 2021 11:42 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: [QSIndustries] Q

 

Marcus: Sorry, but you got off the track. It is a QSI. It was purchased back in 2010 when BLI was connected? with Precision Craft ? and did indeed use a QSI decoder. Somewhere along that era, BLI bought the rights to use QSI and found a way to create their own decoder, Paragon. So all the Paragons have ancestry in QSI. Hence, some similarities. The decoder is listed specifically in JMRI and I know it's the right one. So all the CV's in JMRI match. I say match, because back when I had the paper manual, they did indeed match. I lost that paper manual and have been struggling with the many issues of manual that the Internet/online seem to have. I am now confident that the latest one, dated 2015, is sufficient for me. So, as I have explained. I am not trying to conquer ALL the CV's. Just a few at a time to get this loco doing some "nice" things that the other BLI's don't or can't. One things for sure, the bells and whistles are different in this QSI and the Paragon2 version of the same loco. (I have two decapods, look the same, but sound very differently because of the different decoders. As for programming, I do not POM. I strictly use the SPROG and the programming track. That don't even need the Digitrax. The SPROG has it's own command station - which I don't need or use. Just the programming with JMRI. And yes, JMRI takes the guesswork out of  CV's. But I am learning a bit about these CV's - enough to make some sense out of them. Hence my discussion of CV64/62. If I don't use POM, I don't need verbal response from the decoder. Right? But, when operating with the DIgitrax/no SPROG. I can use POM to alter the speed or such. Not always. Just as a "playing train". Or the bell volume for example. I then make a note of my change and when back on the pt with SPROG, make the change in JMRI. So that anything I did on POM will be logged into JMRI. Also, since I don't have a QSI programmer, I now know that I can not change "the sound project" with just JMRI. So I will have to work within the restrictions. Is this now clear? The beginning of this thread was to get some clarification and I hope I now have enough to proceed. Again, thanks to all.


Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Q

 

Marcus: Sorry, but you got off the track. It is a QSI. It was purchased back in 2010 when BLI was connected? with Precision Craft ? and did indeed use a QSI decoder. Somewhere along that era, BLI bought the rights to use QSI and found a way to create their own decoder, Paragon. So all the Paragons have ancestry in QSI. Hence, some similarities. The decoder is listed specifically in JMRI and I know it's the right one. So all the CV's in JMRI match. I say match, because back when I had the paper manual, they did indeed match. I lost that paper manual and have been struggling with the many issues of manual that the Internet/online seem to have. I am now confident that the latest one, dated 2015, is sufficient for me. So, as I have explained. I am not trying to conquer ALL the CV's. Just a few at a time to get this loco doing some "nice" things that the other BLI's don't or can't. One things for sure, the bells and whistles are different in this QSI and the Paragon2 version of the same loco. (I have two decapods, look the same, but sound very differently because of the different decoders. As for programming, I do not POM. I strictly use the SPROG and the programming track. That don't even need the Digitrax. The SPROG has it's own command station - which I don't need or use. Just the programming with JMRI. And yes, JMRI takes the guesswork out of  CV's. But I am learning a bit about these CV's - enough to make some sense out of them. Hence my discussion of CV64/62. If I don't use POM, I don't need verbal response from the decoder. Right? But, when operating with the DIgitrax/no SPROG. I can use POM to alter the speed or such. Not always. Just as a "playing train". Or the bell volume for example. I then make a note of my change and when back on the pt with SPROG, make the change in JMRI. So that anything I did on POM will be logged into JMRI. Also, since I don't have a QSI programmer, I now know that I can not change "the sound project" with just JMRI. So I will have to work within the restrictions. Is this now clear? The beginning of this thread was to get some clarification and I hope I now have enough to proceed. Again, thanks to all.


Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: I need some clarification, now more!.

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Morgan

 

See the note below about your loco, it’s BLI Paragon not a QSI equipped loco from what I read.

 

I have many locos factory fitted with QSI decoders ranging from Version 6, Ver 7 to Titan and a few locos using QSI after market decoders where I’ve fitted the Revolution decoder but I model Australian so I don’t have a Decapod like what you’re trying to “adjust”.

 

Factory fitted QSI is where the Manufacturer has sent a sound file to QSI and they have dissected the recording into “parts” and have loaded them into the appropriate Sound Slot e.g. Whistle, Horn, engine running sounds etc and we the end user are stuck with what QSI and the manufacturer supplied.

 

After market is where a user/dealer wants to use a QSI decoder but has to “load” a particular sound project from a QSI site, later QSI Solutions and now from an archived site etc and you’ll need a QSI Programmer to load the “project”.  

 

You don’t have to have a QSI Programmer to program/adjust either of the Factory Fitted or After Market decoders.

Adjusting all decoders including QSIs is by your handpiece, the Spog or using Decoder Pro that you already have, by using the Program Track or the On the Main – POM.

 

As you’ve already seen, using Decoder Pro saves you from figuring out the C.V. and the appropriate value you need to use to “adjust” whatever you’re trying to adjust e.g. Volume motor performance etc.  

 

Now for your query about  CVs 62 and 64, I’ve never used CV 64 but I know it’s in the decoder as it’s on the JMRI Decoder Definition for my Factory supplied decoder but CV62 is another story:

 

When using “On the Main – POM” mode of programming, that I use most of the time when tinkering with all decoders, for the QSI you need to DISABLE the Verbal Acknowledgement and program CV 62 to “0” when programming MULTIPLE CVs like when adjust Indexed CVs, Speed Tables etc.

 

If you are only programming on the Program Track, you DON’T need to disable CV 62.

 

If you want to change the Whistle in your Decapod, you’ll need a QSI Programmer and a  “suitable” sound file to load it into the decoder.

 

Using Decoder Pro, saves you having to regularly consult the 440 page Manual.

 

Not familiar with this loco, I searched for your model number that you quoted “BLI PRR I1sa #4538” and found this at BLI, see:

 

https://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon2prri1sa-2.aspx

 

I cannot find a JMRI Decoder Definition for this loco.

 

Maybe this is the problem, it’s not a QSI equipped loco, perhaps someone else can chime ii here.

 

I hope this helps

 

Regards

Marcus

 

 

  

 

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of PennsyNut
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2021 1:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] I need some clarification, now more!.

 

The response I was hoping for was via email. So we could communicate offline. But, that's OK. I appreciate your response - Yank: My signature block shows what I'm using. A Digitrax original Zephyr. I always update any other that is needed. Hence, JMRI 4.24. When I do programming, I use the SPROG ONLY. No connection to Digitrax. So, what I am saying is: When on the pt/w/SPROG. It currently shows CV62=1 and CV64=0. So I figure I need to change CV62 to 0 to turn off all verbal responses. But what I really want to know is: Why? Or if I  leave verbal on, what good is it, if I don't use POM. Since I do all programming on the SPROG with regular pt mode, and if I remember correctly, in Direct always. The verbal being on POM only? Why do I need it? Or, I can ask in another way. If I use the Zephyr and want to change a CV on POM, would the verbal be of any real use? I ask this because I know that on POM, the Zephyr can not read back. So, what I assume (That's dangerous, I know.) is that using POM, the verbal will tell me what I changed. But since that's what I did, the verbal only verifies. So that is redundant. ?? Am I right? And this is only the first question I have about QSI and CV's. The next is about what I said above. If I do use verbal, is there a speedometer that QSI has that will tell me what speed I'm running? If so, how is it used? As you know, the manuals don't really give detail - only the how to connect, not how to use. And then, it's usually buried so deep in the manual, I take forever to find it and then try to understand it all. Is this clear?
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Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.24, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: I need some clarification, now more!.

peteski7
 

Morgan,
We agree!  OSI is one of the more complex (and also feature-rich, and very configurable) decoders out there. Similar to ESU or ZIMO.  There are less-complex (and simpler to program and understand their programming) sound decoders out there, but they do not have all the bells and whistles of QSI.  I mentioned those decoders in my last message.

You could go with a simpler decoder but for financial reason you are sticking with QSI. I'm glad that you are sticking with it (even if it means slowly learning how to program it.  Programming QSI decoder should be less frustrating when using JMRI DecoderPro (or even QSI's QuantumProgrammer and CV Manager).

And you are right -- this venue is the right place to ask questions when you get stuck on some problem, but it also helps (person asking, and everybody else here) if they have at least some basic understanding of the decoder's programming.  And don't be intimidated by all the programmable features of QSI. I don't use a large subset of those feature (and I suspect many members here do not use every feature of their QSI decoders either).

Peteski


Re: Question for QSI re: new automatic logon procedure for decoders

peteski7
 

If that is the case, IMO it is a strange name of the feature.
That would mean a bi-directional communication between the decoder and command station.  That would be similar to RailComPlus, a protocol already used by some European manufacturers.  But American manufacturers seem way behind the curve on this technology.  I also doubt that QSI will ever participate. After all, when was the last time there was a new QSI decoder produced?  I also doubt that any of the older decoders can be upgraded to communicate with he command station.

Peteski

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