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Re: BLI Locomotive that won't move

Andrew Deak
 

All

 

BLI  engines are known to have cracked gears. It is very easy to replace the gear and BLI has new gear for $1.00 plus shipping.  It will take about an hour to replace, you will need a wheel puller. Make sure you quarter the wheels (Make sure it in gage)

 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NWSL-Northwest-Short-Line-45-4-The-Puller-HO-Scale-Wheel-Driver-Gear-Puller-NIB/143891589366?hash=item21809b68f6:g:bC8AAOSwcLNe5P3G

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io [mailto:QSIndustries@groups.io] On Behalf Of cvlwrnut@...
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 4:10 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: [QSIndustries] BLI Locomotive that won't move

 

I am brand new to the forum, and I recently acquired a BLI 2-8-2 steam locomotive (my first BLI, decorated as a Southern, #6326) at an estate sale.  I run DC on my layout, and understand that these locos will work on DC.  When I powered it up, it made all the steam/pumps/etc. sounds, but didn't move.  I contacted BLI, and they determined that the loco is over 15 years old, and QSI equipped.  I decided to buy a QSI Sidekick on ebay, and it works great (controls whistle and bell fine, but the loco still wouldn't move.  To make a long story short, BLI suggested I "reset" the loco, and I did so, using the remove/replace the black jumper method.  When I did this, I got three hoots from the whistle, which indicates that a reset was accomplished.  However, upon powering up again, no movement, but I did get some vague rumbling sounds from the loco.
BLI actually suggested that I pose my questions here on this forum, so I'm asking if anyone else had had a similar experience, and how did you resolve it?
Thanks!


Re: BLI Locomotive that won't move

 

Oh Bill. And how is that going to help? cvlwrnut: A name is nice. We are friends here. I do not recommend getting rid of a QSI. I have one that was a problem, and got it resolved. I may not be able to help you, but I'm sure there are others on this forum who can. When reset, it should have gone back to 03. Not your loco number. Did you try operating it on 03? If not, that's what you need to do. And after that, you can change back to the loco number. This is only a first step. After you try this, come on back.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: BLI Locomotive that won't move

Bill Aulicino
 
Edited

Sorry Bill but this message is outside the realm of this list
TC Carr
Moderator
 

------ Original Message ------
Sent: 1/21/2021 4:09:45 PM
Subject: [QSIndustries] BLI Locomotive that won't move
 
I am brand new to the forum, and I recently acquired a BLI 2-8-2 steam locomotive (my first BLI, decorated as a Southern, #6326) at an estate sale.  I run DC on my layout, and understand that these locos will work on DC.  When I powered it up, it made all the steam/pumps/etc. sounds, but didn't move.  I contacted BLI, and they determined that the loco is over 15 years old, and QSI equipped.  I decided to buy a QSI Sidekick on ebay, and it works great (controls whistle and bell fine, but the loco still wouldn't move.  To make a long story short, BLI suggested I "reset" the loco, and I did so, using the remove/replace the black jumper method.  When I did this, I got three hoots from the whistle, which indicates that a reset was accomplished.  However, upon powering up again, no movement, but I did get some vague rumbling sounds from the loco.
BLI actually suggested that I pose my questions here on this forum, so I'm asking if anyone else had had a similar experience, and how did you resolve it?
Thanks!


BLI Locomotive that won't move

michael DUNNINGTON
 

I am brand new to the forum, and I recently acquired a BLI 2-8-2 steam locomotive (my first BLI, decorated as a Southern, #6326) at an estate sale.  I run DC on my layout, and understand that these locos will work on DC.  When I powered it up, it made all the steam/pumps/etc. sounds, but didn't move.  I contacted BLI, and they determined that the loco is over 15 years old, and QSI equipped.  I decided to buy a QSI Sidekick on ebay, and it works great (controls whistle and bell fine, but the loco still wouldn't move.  To make a long story short, BLI suggested I "reset" the loco, and I did so, using the remove/replace the black jumper method.  When I did this, I got three hoots from the whistle, which indicates that a reset was accomplished.  However, upon powering up again, no movement, but I did get some vague rumbling sounds from the loco.
BLI actually suggested that I pose my questions here on this forum, so I'm asking if anyone else had had a similar experience, and how did you resolve it?
Thanks!


Re: Where is the official download site for CVManager and Quantum Upgrade programs?

peteski7
 

Greg,
Couple of weeks ago I was also searching for that info. When I found it I wanted to post it to the group's Files section (to make it easy to find), but for some reason I'm not allowed to upload anything to the Files section. I contacted the group's owner about this, but never received a response.  Not sure that the problem is. . .

Peteski


Re: Where is the official download site for CVManager and Quantum Upgrade programs?

Ed.Sauers
 

Greg,

go to this site and download the Quantum upgrade and CV manager.

https://shedaker.wixsite.com/shedaker/revolution-era-documents

Ed Sauers

On 1/16/2021 9:52 PM, Greg Elmassian wrote:
I looked on the files section here, nothing.

I looked on the qsindustries.com web sit, not there.

Are people supposed to request these softwares by email?

Also what are the current versions?

I'd sure like a reply from a QSIndustries employee.

Thanks, Greg


Where is the official download site for CVManager and Quantum Upgrade programs?

Greg Elmassian
 

I looked on the files section here, nothing.

I looked on the qsindustries.com web sit, not there.

Are people supposed to request these softwares by email?

Also what are the current versions?

I'd sure like a reply from a QSIndustries employee.

Thanks, Greg


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

ffbrehm@...
 

Thank you.

Always have fun, it’s model railroading after all.

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Geoffb
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 9:55 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 09:04 PM, <ffbrehm@...> wrote:

ZXMC 3A16 0406

The part you are looking for is a ZXMC3A16DN8 and it is still available from digikey.com as : part #ZXMC3A16DN8TR-ND
Mosfet Array N and P-Channel 30V 4.9A, 4.1A 1.25W Surface Mount 8-SO

Digikey is a solid reputable distributor and will accept small orders.

This part is half of the H-Bridge output driver used in the Q1 small outline decoders.
You can also contact QSI directly and ask if they can repair your decoder (very likely).

Have fun!  :-)
Best regards,
Geoff Bunza


Re: Older QSI decoder

kjlovesya
 

Hi Don,

  I'm not familiar with a version 5 decoder.  However, you can easily try turning off the 'acknowledgment' that interferes with double CV changes.   Try POM --> CV62 = 0 .   Then try running the JMRI Decoder Pro.

  In any case, you are missing out on a heckuva lot of fun.  Personally, I'd swap the decoder for a Titan and see what a real high end decoder can do.   :-)

Best regards,
KJ


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

Geoffb
 

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 09:04 PM, <ffbrehm@...> wrote:
ZXMC 3A16 0406
The part you are looking for is a ZXMC3A16DN8 and it is still available from digikey.com as : part #ZXMC3A16DN8TR-ND
Mosfet Array N and P-Channel 30V 4.9A, 4.1A 1.25W Surface Mount 8-SO

Digikey is a solid reputable distributor and will accept small orders.

This part is half of the H-Bridge output driver used in the Q1 small outline decoders.
You can also contact QSI directly and ask if they can repair your decoder (very likely).

Have fun!  :-)
Best regards,
Geoff Bunza


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

ffbrehm@...
 

Hi Donald,

I looked and found those but being electronically challenged was not sure they would work. May have to order a couple and give them a try.

Nothing to lose at this point.

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Goveas
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:42 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

Hi, 

This the datasheet of the device, any equivalent matching the data and profile is a direct replacement.

Donald

 

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:12 AM <ffbrehm@...> wrote:

Hi Peteski,

 

I think I’m going to retire the decoder that I had that let the smoke out and use either a Revolution or Titan.

 

Time to move to a newer model.

 

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of peteski7 via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:50 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

I have found a replacement MOSFET transistor pair chip (8 lead device) for the one in the motor driver H-Bridge on QSI Revolution board used in the Walthers N scale Mallet loco.  I replaced the blown chip, and that fixed the decoder.  But the transistor pair chip on that  decoder has different markings than "ZXMC 3A16 0406".

Peteski


Re: Older QSI decoder

dlgertz <dlgertz@...>
 

I just checked and CV7 = 5.

 

This decoder does not show up on the latest version of JMRI, that I can tell and the tech at BLI said that it’s obsolete, doesn’t work with JMRI and is no longer supported. When our club train master tried to program the address using JMRI, the head/tail lights became deactivated and a number of other functions also either disappeared or were changed to totally different keys.

 

I bought the Heavy Mikado used and have no documentation. It evidently was made around 2004.

 

This is the email I got from BLI.

Hello Don,

We no longer support the QSI equipped locos. They have been discontinued, and the one you have there is over 17 years old.

Also, due to the age of that model and a lack of parts, we can no longer work on QSI equipped engines.  We will not accept that model for repair in our service bay anymore.

I can tell you that it will not be compatible with JMRI or Decoder Pro though.

Any support documentation we have for it can be found here under "QSI Quantum Sound Equipped Locomotives": https://www.broadway-limited.com/supportdocumentation.aspx

I will lay out the most common support tips and tricks for you here on a QSI loco:

I would recommend the hardware reset.

A video for the hardware reset procedure can be found here under "Hardware Reset for Quantum Sound equipped Locomotives" : http://www.broadway-limited.com/howtovideos.aspx

Written instructions are below:

Turn the power off on your track

*** If a Magnetic Wand was included with your model ***
Place the engine on the track
Hold the Magnetic Wand that came in the box with your loco (A small black plastic square with the Broadway Limited logo on it, rounded edge is the magnet), over the Relay switch (a small glass tube with a reed switch inside of it). Relay switch is located on the decoder under the tender shell.
Skip to Section 2

*** If there was no Magnetic wand included ***
Remove the Black jumper plug or flip the tiny reset switch to the opposite position
Place the engine on the track
Go to Section 2

*** Section 2 ***
Give the track power.
In DC spin the throttle up to about 75%
In DCC turn the track power on, select loco number 3, and turn the throttle up.
The engine should announce "RESET" or play the horn 3 times.

Turn the throttle down, track power off.
If you removed the jumper replace it now, or if you flipped a reset switch, return it to its default position.

Your engine should now be on address 3 and all settings restored to factory default.

To set a long address on a QSI equipped loco, you must first set CV17, then CV18, and finally CV29. ON THE MAINLINE USING YOUR HANDHELD THROTTLE. QSI WILL NOT WORK WITH JMRI.

A CV calculator can be found here:

http://www.2mm.org.uk/articles/cv29%20calculator.htm

You can use this calculator to determine what you should set CV's 17 and 18 to.
For example, if you want to set the loco address to 3751 - type it in the box labeled "Long Locomotive Address", and then click "-> Calc CVs".
This will display CV17: 206 and CV18: 167 on the right side in their respective boxes.

Program the long address (CV’s 17 and 18) on the main, (sending commands to DCC address 3), then send the command CV29=38 (or CV29=34 if you never use DC operations) to DCC address 3.
Lift the engine off the rails, place it back on them, send the throttle-up command to the long address that you just programmed, and see if you can blow the horn.

To read a CV:

Please set CV64 equal to the CV you want to know the value of on the mainline and listen for the verbal response.

For example, after the reset set CV64=1 in Operations Mode on the mainline using your handheld throttle, and the decoder should speak the words "C V ONE EQUALS, THREE".

As for upgrades - we do not do that here in the service bay. Our reason for existing is to get a model back to the way that it was intended to be when it left the factory floor - or as close as we can get. And that is primarily on warranty support.

Train Service Depot is authorized by us to do upgrades though, so if you want to inquire with them on what they will or will not accept for an upgrade and their pricing, they can be found online here: http://www.trainservicedepot.com/

Hope this helps, have a great day!

On 7/25/2020 10:32 PM, orders@... wrote:

Enter your name: 
  First Name: Don
  Last Name: Gertz
Your email address: 
  Email Address: dlgertz@...
  Re-Enter Your Email Address: dlgertz@...
Your phone number: 5036925963                              
Tell us about the product you're writing in about: 
  Item # (the 3 or 4 digit large-font number on the product's box): 225
  Date of purchase (mm/dd/yy): 7/24/20
Your shipping address (in the event we need to RMA your item): 
  Shipping address: dlgertz@...
Your message: Hi,
I bought a used Broadway Limited USRA Heavy 2-8-2 Unlettered Mikado, #225, yesterday and am not sure what decoder it uses or which locomotive to specify when addig it to my NMRA Panel Pro roster. Do I use the Bluebox Steam, Paragon 2 or something else?
 
Can the decoder be upgraded to a Paragon 3? Would it give me more/ better functionality?
 
Thanks,
Don Gertz
 
 
 
-- 
Sincerely, 
 
BLI Service Department 
Broadway Limited Imports, LLC 
9 E Tower Cir Ormond Beach, FL 32174 
 
Phone: (386) 673-8615 Fax: (386) 673-8080

 

Don

 

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From: kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 11:14 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Hi Don,

  The QSI decoder is JMRI compatible.  What version (CV7) is the decoder?  (Hint: Program On Main --> CV 62 = 7 )   If you were able to set it back to factory settings does the locomotive run properly?    Why do you want to swap decoders?   Perhaps we can help get the existing running to your satisfaction.

  The QSI version 7 (and higher) decoder has several features that are only now showing up in high end decoders.   Features like working fully variable brake, Heavy Load (allows simulating climbing or descending a mountain grade with a heavy load) at the touch of F9 key.   Decoder query allows you to read the CVs while Programming On Main.  Built in speedometer, odometer, and a host of other features can be 'spoken' by the decoder by pressing F10 (Status Report).   There's a whole lot more that many people do not know.

KJ

 


Re: Older QSI decoder

Ross Kudlick
 

Morgan.

You are correct - off-topic.  Should have been asked on the jmriusers list.

One quick comment that may also help others - please move to jmriusers if you need more help:

You can use JMRI for POM and save the file just like using JMRI on a service-mode programming track.  Look at the bottom right of the DecoderPro roster page;  there are 3 choices.  After selecting the desired roster entry select "Programming on Main' before clicking 'Program.'  You are now programming the address in the file you opened on the main track.  Save the file when done.

Ross


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

Donald Goveas
 

Hello Peteski,
This ia list of equivalents with data & profic for ZXMC3A16

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 10:12 AM Donald Goveas via groups.io <goveas.donald=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, 
This the datasheet of the device, any equivalent matching the data and profile is a direct replacement.
Donald

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:12 AM <ffbrehm@...> wrote:

Hi Peteski,

 

I think I’m going to retire the decoder that I had that let the smoke out and use either a Revolution or Titan.

 

Time to move to a newer model.

 

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of peteski7 via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:50 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

I have found a replacement MOSFET transistor pair chip (8 lead device) for the one in the motor driver H-Bridge on QSI Revolution board used in the Walthers N scale Mallet loco.  I replaced the blown chip, and that fixed the decoder.  But the transistor pair chip on that  decoder has different markings than "ZXMC 3A16 0406".

Peteski


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

Donald Goveas
 

Hi, 
This the datasheet of the device, any equivalent matching the data and profile is a direct replacement.
Donald


On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:12 AM <ffbrehm@...> wrote:

Hi Peteski,

 

I think I’m going to retire the decoder that I had that let the smoke out and use either a Revolution or Titan.

 

Time to move to a newer model.

 

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of peteski7 via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:50 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

I have found a replacement MOSFET transistor pair chip (8 lead device) for the one in the motor driver H-Bridge on QSI Revolution board used in the Walthers N scale Mallet loco.  I replaced the blown chip, and that fixed the decoder.  But the transistor pair chip on that  decoder has different markings than "ZXMC 3A16 0406".

Peteski


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

ffbrehm@...
 

Hi Peteski,

 

I think I’m going to retire the decoder that I had that let the smoke out and use either a Revolution or Titan.

 

Time to move to a newer model.

 

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of peteski7 via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:50 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

I have found a replacement MOSFET transistor pair chip (8 lead device) for the one in the motor driver H-Bridge on QSI Revolution board used in the Walthers N scale Mallet loco.  I replaced the blown chip, and that fixed the decoder.  But the transistor pair chip on that  decoder has different markings than "ZXMC 3A16 0406".

Peteski


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

One question. How do you record CV's and changes with POM? The only way I know of to ensure proper documentation is with JMRI and the xml's. My approach was to save each xml as changes were made. And when finalized on the loco. Just keep the latest xml and the original. And after thinking about it. Even the original is not needed. One can always default the decoder to it's original state. But I like to save the changes as I go along just in case I want to refresh my memory of what I had done. When I only had the DCS50 and tried changing CV's POM, I found I was scribbling notes all over the place. Very un-professional. When I used the pt, I was still doing the same. So I had to buy a SPROG and hook up the PC for JMRI. Now I rely on JMRI and xml to keep a record of what I've done to the loco. In fact, I even print out the CV's on paper. Sorry if this is off target about QSI.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

peteski7
 

I have found a replacement MOSFET transistor pair chip (8 lead device) for the one in the motor driver H-Bridge on QSI Revolution board used in the Walthers N scale Mallet loco.  I replaced the blown chip, and that fixed the decoder.  But the transistor pair chip on that  decoder has different markings than "ZXMC 3A16 0406".

Peteski


Re: Older QSI decoder

Dave Robinson
 

You're right Morgan, you can't read CVs on the main, only on the programming track.
However, QSI did provide this wonderfull 'CV query' facility, ie CV64, whereby you can ask the decoder (on the main line via programming-on-the-main) 'what's the value in CV x'.  In my opinion, that's the best thing about QSIs; I wish other brands would do this too.
Beware: if doing an indexed CV, you must set the primary index (and the secondary index depending on the CV) BEFORE querying the decoder.

CV62, Programming Acknowledgement, will also speak to you when programming on the main, but IMO it gets old fast.  That's why I turn it off.  And it interferes when a programming service like JMRI is doing indexed CVs.

I'm with KJ, I want to know how to it 'manually' rather than depending on the 'magic' of something like JMRI.  Don't get me wrong; I use JMRI or QSI's CVManager when it's convenient (like when doing _lots_ of CVs), but for just a few changes, I'd rather use POM with a keypad (Digitrax is my choice).  In my club, it's commonly not convenient to have a computer with JMRI up & running; your conditions may be different.  I do keep lots of notes on the fleet along with JMRI & QSI roster files too.

POM is fine but for some things you have to keep your wits about you, like changing decoder addresses.  And once in a while I muck things up and have to recover on the programming track. :-)

Not trying to sound overwhelming,
Dave in Edmonton


Re: Q1 Motor Diode Chips

ffbrehm@...
 

Hi KJ,

 

I’ll contact Kelly, that’s a good idea. I’m mulling over using a Titan.

 

Thanks for your help,

Frank

 

From: QSIndustries@groups.io <QSIndustries@groups.io> On Behalf Of kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:27 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Q1 Motor Diode Chips

 

Hi Frank,

  Thank you for your reply.   Come to think of it, Kelly (of QSI) mentioned the motor output runs through an H bridge chip.  I don't know about availability.  Have you tried directly contacting Kelly?

  If you have a replacement Titan I would use it.   There are so many feature upgrades in the vastly superior Titan.  Gone is the crappy prime mover (UFO whir) sound.

  The Q1 decoder can be repurposed into something else.   e.g.  a commuter cab car with horn, bell and lights.   I did a couple of commuter cab cars with repurposed Revolution decoders (great horns and lights, but lousy prime movers) turned down all motor and prime mover functions and it works beautifully.   Alternately, the Q1 would probably make a decent caboose decoder.


Best regards,
KJ

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