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Re: Older QSI decoder

kjlovesya
 

Hi Don,

  The QSI decoder is JMRI compatible.  What version (CV7) is the decoder?  (Hint: Program On Main --> CV 62 = 7 )   If you were able to set it back to factory settings does the locomotive run properly?    Why do you want to swap decoders?   Perhaps we can help get the existing running to your satisfaction.

  The QSI version 7 (and higher) decoder has several features that are only now showing up in high end decoders.   Features like working fully variable brake, Heavy Load (allows simulating climbing or descending a mountain grade with a heavy load) at the touch of F9 key.   Decoder query allows you to read the CVs while Programming On Main.  Built in speedometer, odometer, and a host of other features can be 'spoken' by the decoder by pressing F10 (Status Report).   There's a whole lot more that many people do not know.

KJ


Re: Older QSI decoder

dlgertz <dlgertz@...>
 

It’s 1:87 scale. You probably know it as OO.

 

Don

 

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From: Joó Ferenc
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:42 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Don,

 

Is that an H0 loco? 

 

I am looking for a Titan FX-DO decoder (one with a smaller board on top of the bottom one) which is usually used in O scale locos.


Üdvözlettel,

Best regards,

MfG,

 

Ferenc Joó

Correspondent for Hungary

TREU - Today's Railways Europe

IRJ - International Railway Journal

GSM:   +36204141621

 

NOHAB Apartment

8263 Badacsonytördemic

Debreczenyi u. 9. / HUNGARY

"The holiday apartment on Lake Balaton

with its own garden railway!"

 

 

dlgertz <dlgertz@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 5., K, 7:31):

Thanks Ray.

I only have the one BLI loco and can’t see buying a QSI programmer.

 

Don

 

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From: Ray Di Ciacca via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:53 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

I had the same problem. You will have to replace the entire board. the attachment gives the wiring,

  within #1 on the drivers side of the loco. Cut the plug off the harness and test the wire with a multi meter to make sure. Make sure you add the wires from the tender also. You may also have to cut the wires to the reed switch in the engine. 

Good luck Ray

 

 

 

On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:10 PM, dlgertz <dlgertz@...> wrote:

 

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I donbt know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?

 

I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.

 

Thanks,

Don Gertz

 

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From: kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:17 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Hi Morgan,

  Your situation is exactly the purpose of this forum.  We are here to help.    I suggest going through the Revolution U - users guide first.   Obviously, it's for the Revolution U decoder installation, but there are many programming examples of CVs you should know.   Skim the actual installation (wiring) information and focus intently on the programming CV instructions.   There is some very helpful information within (and the users guide is relatively small).

  If you have trouble - reread the section.   If you still have trouble ask the forum.   We are here to help.   :-)      You can do this.  Put the effort in.  It will come to you.   You'll get it.


Best regards,
KJ 

 

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Re: Older QSI decoder

 

digertz: That's where I was. Although I have other BLI locos, only the one QSI. But when I ran the two I1sa's together - a Paragon 2 and the QSI. They ran and sounded different. Chuff, bell and whistle all different. I like that. No two locos should sound exactly alike/with the exception of diseasals. And I like the QSI. But I started having trouble with it when I tried to program on JMRI. The SPROG acted peculiar. So, I contacted SPROG web site and they helped me. So the QSI is now programmed and running. And I'm in the process of tweaking the CV's. My point is that the QSI is a fine decoder. Better (in some ways) than what I've seen and my BLIs. Paragon 2 and 3. The BLI are great too. IMHO. So if you really would like to keep the QSI, please put a thread on this group and we'll try to help. And if you really want to switch out the decoder, there's a wiring diagram available - as stated above. This group is here to help. Give us and your QSI a chance to prove it's quality. Is it quirky? You should be reading about LokSound and TCS WOW and some others. 5,000? or 2,000 CV's. Egads! At least, when I ran JMRI on BLI and QSI when new, they only took about 10 minutes to read the entire file. And each subsequent read never took longer. And from what I've read, a LokSound took an hour. Don't get me wrong. Tsunami 2 is a good decoder. But I don't have one and all I've heard about them is that they are "middle ground". Not the worst, not the best. OK?
--
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

Joó Ferenc
 

Don,

Is that an H0 loco? 

I am looking for a Titan FX-DO decoder (one with a smaller board on top of the bottom one) which is usually used in O scale locos.

Üdvözlettel,
Best regards,
MfG,

Ferenc Joó
Correspondent for Hungary
TREU - Today's Railways Europe
IRJ - International Railway Journal
GSM:   +36204141621

NOHAB Apartment
8263 Badacsonytördemic
Debreczenyi u. 9. / HUNGARY
"The holiday apartment on Lake Balaton
with its own garden railway!"


dlgertz <dlgertz@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 5., K, 7:31):

Thanks Ray.

I only have the one BLI loco and can’t see buying a QSI programmer.

 

Don

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ray Di Ciacca via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:53 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

I had the same problem. You will have to replace the entire board. the attachment gives the wiring,

  within #1 on the drivers side of the loco. Cut the plug off the harness and test the wire with a multi meter to make sure. Make sure you add the wires from the tender also. You may also have to cut the wires to the reed switch in the engine. 

Good luck Ray

 

 



On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:10 PM, dlgertz <dlgertz@...> wrote:

 

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I donbt know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?

 

I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.

 

Thanks,

Don Gertz

 

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From: kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:17 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Hi Morgan,

  Your situation is exactly the purpose of this forum.  We are here to help.    I suggest going through the Revolution U - users guide first.   Obviously, it's for the Revolution U decoder installation, but there are many programming examples of CVs you should know.   Skim the actual installation (wiring) information and focus intently on the programming CV instructions.   There is some very helpful information within (and the users guide is relatively small).

  If you have trouble - reread the section.   If you still have trouble ask the forum.   We are here to help.   :-)      You can do this.  Put the effort in.  It will come to you.   You'll get it.


Best regards,
KJ 

 

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Re: Older QSI decoder

dlgertz <dlgertz@...>
 

Thanks Ray.

I only have the one BLI loco and can’t see buying a QSI programmer.

 

Don

 

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From: Ray Di Ciacca via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:53 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

I had the same problem. You will have to replace the entire board. the attachment gives the wiring,

  within #1 on the drivers side of the loco. Cut the plug off the harness and test the wire with a multi meter to make sure. Make sure you add the wires from the tender also. You may also have to cut the wires to the reed switch in the engine. 

Good luck Ray

 

 



On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:10 PM, dlgertz <dlgertz@...> wrote:

 

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I donbt know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?

 

I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.

 

Thanks,

Don Gertz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:17 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Hi Morgan,

  Your situation is exactly the purpose of this forum.  We are here to help.    I suggest going through the Revolution U - users guide first.   Obviously, it's for the Revolution U decoder installation, but there are many programming examples of CVs you should know.   Skim the actual installation (wiring) information and focus intently on the programming CV instructions.   There is some very helpful information within (and the users guide is relatively small).

  If you have trouble - reread the section.   If you still have trouble ask the forum.   We are here to help.   :-)      You can do this.  Put the effort in.  It will come to you.   You'll get it.


Best regards,
KJ 

 

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Re: Older QSI decoder

peteski7
 

Don,
It is not a question of being offended (and I'm not). It is a question of keeping the group organized (to make things easier to find).  If we all posted our comments to a huge single thread, that would be really messy and hard to search for answers later.  It makes logical sense to keep different subjects separate in different threads.

As for your question about the wiring diagram, it was posted in this thread, few comments earlier by Ray Di Ciacca.  I do see the attached image, but it it is not a JPG, but a .jp2 file (JPEG2000 format) and I can't view it on my computer.  It was probably created on an Mac, or maybe some newer version of MS Windows.

Peteski


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 09:10 PM, dlgertz wrote:

I’m sorry that I offended you.

Someone replied with a wiring Jpeg, but it disappeared.

Maybe he/she can reply to me directly at dlgertz@....

 

Don Gertz

 


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

Peteski: I for one, was not offended by Don's interruption. It's germane to what I've been discussing. A QSI decoder in a loco that I'm having trouble with. If Don is adamant about changing, that's up to him. I just wouldn't want to spend another $100+ on another decoder. I'm too frugal. Or Bohemian. When I think about all the money I've spent on DCC. WOW! My signature shows the Digitrax and such. And 5 BLI locos. But most of us modelers have way more than we need. And I still have over a dozen locos that are DC and I simply don't want to bother with them. So they sit. And if I trusted Ebay more, I'd sell them. But I simply don't trust Ebay or those other sites to sell. The local free markets on facebook are OK, but find a PRR modeler on them. Guess again! So, Don - tell us what you need. Another thread if you wish. But don't give up on QSI. I'm sorry, but I just don't think Tsunami 2 is better.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, UT4D, UR93, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

dlgertz <dlgertz@...>
 

I’m sorry that I offended you.

Someone replied with a wiring Jpeg, but it disappeared.

Maybe he/she can reply to me directly at dlgertz@....

 

Don Gertz

 

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From: peteski7 via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 5:48 PM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Don,
the question you are assign is not really related to what is being discussed in this thread.  It woudl have been nice if you started a separate thread with your question.

I also really like QSI decoders and their features,  and woudl not want to replace it with inferior (to me) Tsunami decoder.  Even though I'm in N scale, and QSI never produced N-scale-size sound decoder, I still shoehorn the QSI revolution in the tenders of my N scale steam locos.  The QSI decoders are awesome!

I hope PennsyNut sticks with the QSI, and with the group's help learns more about all the features, and becomes more comfortable with programming them.

Peteski
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 03:43 PM, dlgertz wrote:

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I don’t know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?

 

I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.

 

Thanks,

Don Gertz

 

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Re: Older QSI decoder

peteski7
 

Don,
the question you are assign is not really related to what is being discussed in this thread.  It woudl have been nice if you started a separate thread with your question.

I also really like QSI decoders and their features,  and woudl not want to replace it with inferior (to me) Tsunami decoder.  Even though I'm in N scale, and QSI never produced N-scale-size sound decoder, I still shoehorn the QSI revolution in the tenders of my N scale steam locos.  The QSI decoders are awesome!

I hope PennsyNut sticks with the QSI, and with the group's help learns more about all the features, and becomes more comfortable with programming them.

Peteski

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 03:43 PM, dlgertz wrote:

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I don’t know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?

 

I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.

 

Thanks,

Don Gertz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

Don Gertz. All I can say is: That's what everyone was telling me to do. Replace the QSI. My PRR I1sa is a QSI decoder and just got that working. IF: You really want to replace it, go ahead, as mentioned above. (To me, a lot of work for little gain.) The QSI decoder when working is far superior to Tsunami 2. Yes, the Tsunami is newer and has a lot of support from the manufacturer. But I'm just giving you my opinion. To me, it was worth the effort/and expense to get the QSI working. So, maybe if you re-address your issue and explain what is wrong - as I did. Someone on here can guide you. Just as I was guided. And I do know a few other people who feel as I do. In fact, some of them buy up used QSI locos that people "just have to get rid of" for very cheap prices and fix them. And they are pretty happy about it. This is my observations an opinion. And in no way any kind of expert.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

Ray Di Ciacca
 

I had the same problem. You will have to replace the entire board. the attachment gives the wiring,  within #1 on the drivers side of the loco. Cut the plug off the harness and test the wire with a multi meter to make sure. Make sure you add the wires from the tender also. You may also have to cut the wires to the reed switch in the engine. 
Good luck Ray



On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:10 PM, dlgertz <dlgertz@...> wrote:

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I don’t know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?
 
I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.
 
Thanks,
Don Gertz
 
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From: kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:17 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder
 
Hi Morgan,

  Your situation is exactly the purpose of this forum.  We are here to help.    I suggest going through the Revolution U - users guide first.   Obviously, it's for the Revolution U decoder installation, but there are many programming examples of CVs you should know.   Skim the actual installation (wiring) information and focus intently on the programming CV instructions.   There is some very helpful information within (and the users guide is relatively small).

  If you have trouble - reread the section.   If you still have trouble ask the forum.   We are here to help.   :-)      You can do this.  Put the effort in.  It will come to you.   You'll get it.


Best regards,
KJ 

 
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Re: Older QSI decoder

dlgertz <dlgertz@...>
 

I want to replace the QSI decoder in my used BLI Mikado HO301e05 C (2004) with a Tsunami 2, TSU-2200 and a current keeper. BLI no longer supports this model and I don’t know the wiring harness configuration between the tender and engine. Does anyone know which wires are which? Also do I replace the entire board or just part of it?

 

I tried programming the address using JRMI, but lost the lights and sound and was told by BLI that this decoder is not JMRI compatible. I was able to set it back to factory settings.

 

Thanks,

Don Gertz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: kjlovesya via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:17 AM
To: QSIndustries@groups.io
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Older QSI decoder

 

Hi Morgan,

  Your situation is exactly the purpose of this forum.  We are here to help.    I suggest going through the Revolution U - users guide first.   Obviously, it's for the Revolution U decoder installation, but there are many programming examples of CVs you should know.   Skim the actual installation (wiring) information and focus intently on the programming CV instructions.   There is some very helpful information within (and the users guide is relatively small).

  If you have trouble - reread the section.   If you still have trouble ask the forum.   We are here to help.   :-)      You can do this.  Put the effort in.  It will come to you.   You'll get it.


Best regards,
KJ

 


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

KJ: Thanks a million. I love a pep talk. I will do what you suggest and be back here. Even if just to tell you I succeeded or failed and ask more questions.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

kjlovesya
 

Hi Morgan,

  Your situation is exactly the purpose of this forum.  We are here to help.    I suggest going through the Revolution U - users guide first.   Obviously, it's for the Revolution U decoder installation, but there are many programming examples of CVs you should know.   Skim the actual installation (wiring) information and focus intently on the programming CV instructions.   There is some very helpful information within (and the users guide is relatively small).

  If you have trouble - reread the section.   If you still have trouble ask the forum.   We are here to help.   :-)      You can do this.  Put the effort in.  It will come to you.   You'll get it.


Best regards,
KJ


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

Oh my gosh! That's my problem. Trying to understand those manuals. Totally WAY above my head. All Greek to me. But I will take the time and make another attempt at reading those. But the problem is not the manuals. It's my understanding the language. I am LOL because they are not "Greek", but I still have trouble. (A hate this analogy, and mean no offense to anyone outside the U.S. BUT: It's like talking to tech support and they are located outside the U.S. and they speak English, but as a dumb American, I don't always grasp what they say.) Or maybe I'm just not grasping the manual language because its technical. Is there anyone out there than can send me a xml of one of their QSI locos that I can copy and see what effect it has? <fan4pennsy at gmail>
--
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

kjlovesya
 

Hi Morgan(?),

  The version 7 decoder has (among other things) a 'variable brake'.   In order to use the working brake, one needs to have momentum values above 0 (zero) and BEMF turned on.   I highly recommend reading the QSI Revolution Users guide first (found here)   Revolution era (version 7) documentation       then the more complex Programming Related documents (on the same page).

Best regards,
KJ


Re: Older QSI decoder

Mike
 

JMRI and Sprog works well for QSI, I do all decoder types with this combination (except for ESU where I do have a programmer, but still do speed, volumes etc with the Sprog)

JMRI's pages give a good idea as the drop down settings give you the options for types of lights etc. So long as you keep a file of what works before changing anything you can always go back to known good settings. Then experiment, I've often had to play with lighting settings to get what I want, same with sound volumes. I do these on the main where you can see or hear the changes.

The function numbers for your loco should be in the loco's manual, you can change the key that operates them on the function map page. Tick the key (function) on the  vertical list, that operates the output on the horizontal list which should match with the manual's function number. I.e. if the bell is listed as function 2 in the manual and you want it on key 3, tick the 3 column on the function 3 row. Note function on the JMRI page means function key not the action the press causes.

For BEMF, if the loco is running well leave alone! BEMF will give better running especially at slow speeds. If you have problems with smooth running or the speed is not staying steady there are four speed ranges of controls, the speed steps they affect are shown on the BEMF page. Generally if you do need to adjust BEMF, reduce differential control to zero and adjust the proportional to get the best running, then add a bit of differential if it is still not running well, don't make big changes go up and down 10 or 20 at a time to find the best and then smaller amounts after that. Section 5.8.7.5 & 6 of the Quantum 7 manual gives advice. It's a long time since I set one up, but I can see in my loco roster that I didn't have much proportional or differential set, especially at higher speeds.

Hope this helps

Mike Ruby


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

Joó Ferenc: I sure appreciate the suggestion. But. I have limited funds available. And hesitate having to spend more money than I already have on model railroading. Especially DCC. I have found that it's far more expensive than DC. Even accounting for inflation and such. And since JMRI is basically free/requiring the cost of a PC and my SPROG. I do enjoy working with JMRI. It is far easier than trying to memorize CV's. Back when I started, and got my brain around CV 2,3,4,5,6 those were what I liked. When I tried going beyond and especially with QSI and CV 52.2 and such, I am stumped. That's why I ask my question today for a way I can hope for some success in figuring out functions. My DCS50 only has 8. And I don't know yet how to get them all working for me. I don't need fancy sounds like station calls or farm sounds. But I do want to work with steam engine sounds like brake squeal and such. And as I said, the manuals were a little over my head.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

Joó Ferenc
 

Probably your best bet is to get the Quantum Programmer, much easier to set up everything on the computer - although I myself have problems identifying some ports and what they can be programmed to if at all, with the FX-DO board...

Üdvözlettel,
Best regards,
MfG,

Ferenc Joó
Correspondent for Hungary
TREU - Today's Railways Europe
IRJ - International Railway Journal
GSM:   +36204141621

NOHAB Apartment
8263 Badacsonytördemic
Debreczenyi u. 9. / HUNGARY
"The holiday apartment on Lake Balaton
with its own garden railway!"


PennsyNut <fan4pennsy@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 2., Szo, 22:23):

Fair enough, Dave. So anyone else who has a little experience with the CV's. Not the common ones, but the ones unique to QSI. Tabs such as: function map, sound control, volume, function output, light control. And the "BEMF"? Is it even essential? My layout is flat, so it seems to me that the BEMF should be shut off. ? How to do that? You can see what a novice I am. And I realize that being a PRR modeler may be different, but if I can grasp the functions, I can make decisions. Thanks to any and all.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952


Re: Older QSI decoder

 

Fair enough, Dave. So anyone else who has a little experience with the CV's. Not the common ones, but the ones unique to QSI. Tabs such as: function map, sound control, volume, function output, light control. And the "BEMF"? Is it even essential? My layout is flat, so it seems to me that the BEMF should be shut off. ? How to do that? You can see what a novice I am. And I realize that being a PRR modeler may be different, but if I can grasp the functions, I can make decisions. Thanks to any and all.
Morgan F Bilbo, DCS50, SPROGIIv4, JMRI 4.20, Pennsy modeler 1952

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