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Re: Current keeper for Titian A

kjlovesya
 

    Hi Bob,

  Basically, the +12V and the - 'Flywheel capacitor' in the diagram are the output of the main Bridge Rectifier.  Everything is driven from that main bridge rectifier.  The same as the blue wire and the black w/white striped wire on the Titan U.    These are the standard spots for attaching high value Capacitor type devices.

  I'm not sure what you mean by, "
I was wondering to get motor power was to connect the blue wire to postitive 12v spot on the board".   The motor is connected to the side tab motor leads (orange and gray).


KJ


Help with Reverse Light

Charles Goddard <CGALFA@...>
 


I have BLI Steam Micados lacking Reverse Lights.  The QSI Decoders are 301-1 with the Quantum Upgrade Chip.  I've been told by a contact how to do this even with photos. 

When I make the connections to the REV positions, right being positive, it does not work in reverse of forward.  Do I need to make settings in CV 29, CV 33, and CV34, other than their originals?  The suggested resistor was 100 ohm, which I didn't have, but a 160 ohm was attached on the short side of the LED, and allows light when attached between the rails.

What am I missing?

Charley Goddard
Muncie, IN


Re: Selling O-Guage Train Set

kelly dorf
 

Hi Heidi:

Art was a great man and it was my privilege to have known him.
Kelly Dorf
QSI


Re: Current keeper for Titian A

Bob
 

What you describe is what I thought I would do.  I was wondering to get motor power was to connect the blue wire to postitive 12v spot on the board. I know the titan a uses 5 v for lights like the revolution. I have connect KA this way on revolution a. I assume you could connect the titan the same way. 
Bob



On May 5, 2018, at 6:52 PM, kjlovesya@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

  Oops!  Sorry!  

  The Titan A wiring diagram is in the Files section.   If you find the black terminal marked "Flywheel capacitor" that is also the equivalent of the Titan U Black wire with a white stripe.

  You can put your high capacitance device (be very careful about polarity) across the +12V and the - 'Flywheel Capacitor'.   It doesn't hurt to keep the small capacitor in the circuit too.   It's my understanding the small 'Flywheel Capacitor' doesn't power the motor, only the micro-controller and lights.

  I've done this same modification in several of my own models.


KJ


Re: Current keeper for Titian A

kjlovesya
 

Hi Bob,

  Oops!  Sorry!  

  The Titan A wiring diagram is in the Files section.   If you find the black terminal marked "Flywheel capacitor" that is also the equivalent of the Titan U Black wire with a white stripe.

  You can put your high capacitance device (be very careful about polarity) across the +12V and the - 'Flywheel Capacitor'.   It doesn't hurt to keep the small capacitor in the circuit too.   It's my understanding the small 'Flywheel Capacitor' doesn't power the motor, only the micro-controller and lights.

  I've done this same modification in several of my own models.


KJ


Re: Keep A Live

mike brady
 

Got to be careful programming momentum into decoders also in that situation
Iol



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From: "Bob GMRC405@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...>
Date: 5/5/18 11:48 (GMT-05:00)
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Keep A Live

 

If you have a signal system and there is a red/stop and go thru it shame on the engineer. I have a lift bridge too and have a long dead section but I don’t run lash ups like that. 

Bob



On May 5, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Roger Thomas rogert@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 Now imagine a long freight pulled by a set of A-B-B-A diesels, all with "Keep Alive " decoders. A 2' section of track is dead when the bridge is up. First engine goes into the dead section, still running full speed, but the capacitor is being drawn down. First truck of the second engine hits the dead rail, and promptly re-energizes the dead rail from the rear truck. Also re-energizes the first loco's capacitor. Third loco, repeat. Fourth loco, repeat. By gosh, that loco set will run steadily right into the chasm of no bridge even if the "Keep Alive" time is short. Mechanical block is definitely the best solution.

Roger Thomas 
 
On Saturday 05/05/2018 at 8:59 am, 'Lou Venema' tpwillie@... QSIndustries wrote:
 

They will keep going. Personally I think keep alives are a bad solution for
electrical problems on the railroad. A small, light locomotive may get some
assistance from one but it should be very limited and not allow the
locomotive to run more than a second. I was amazed at first when people
started installing these and bragged about running for 15 or 30 seconds or
more. Not a good thing.



Re: Keep A Live

Bob
 

If you have a signal system and there is a red/stop and go thru it shame on the engineer. I have a lift bridge too and have a long dead section but I don’t run lash ups like that. 
Bob



On May 5, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Roger Thomas rogert@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 Now imagine a long freight pulled by a set of A-B-B-A diesels, all with "Keep Alive " decoders. A 2' section of track is dead when the bridge is up. First engine goes into the dead section, still running full speed, but the capacitor is being drawn down. First truck of the second engine hits the dead rail, and promptly re-energizes the dead rail from the rear truck. Also re-energizes the first loco's capacitor. Third loco, repeat. Fourth loco, repeat. By gosh, that loco set will run steadily right into the chasm of no bridge even if the "Keep Alive" time is short. Mechanical block is definitely the best solution.

Roger Thomas 
 
On Saturday 05/05/2018 at 8:59 am, 'Lou Venema' tpwillie@... QSIndustries wrote:
 

They will keep going. Personally I think keep alives are a bad solution for
electrical problems on the railroad. A small, light locomotive may get some
assistance from one but it should be very limited and not allow the
locomotive to run more than a second. I was amazed at first when people
started installing these and bragged about running for 15 or 30 seconds or
more. Not a good thing.



Re: Keep A Live

Roger Thomas <rogert@...>
 

 Now imagine a long freight pulled by a set of A-B-B-A diesels, all with "Keep Alive " decoders. A 2' section of track is dead when the bridge is up. First engine goes into the dead section, still running full speed, but the capacitor is being drawn down. First truck of the second engine hits the dead rail, and promptly re-energizes the dead rail from the rear truck. Also re-energizes the first loco's capacitor. Third loco, repeat. Fourth loco, repeat. By gosh, that loco set will run steadily right into the chasm of no bridge even if the "Keep Alive" time is short. Mechanical block is definitely the best solution.

Roger Thomas 
 

On Saturday 05/05/2018 at 8:59 am, 'Lou Venema' tpwillie@... QSIndustries wrote:
 

They will keep going. Personally I think keep alives are a bad solution for
electrical problems on the railroad. A small, light locomotive may get some
assistance from one but it should be very limited and not allow the
locomotive to run more than a second. I was amazed at first when people
started installing these and bragged about running for 15 or 30 seconds or
more. Not a good thing.



Re: Keep A Live

Bob
 

I use them only in engines that have short wheel base like 45 , 44, 70 Tonner which have trouble going thru some of my turnouts.
Bob

On May 5, 2018, at 8:59 AM, 'Lou Venema' tpwillie@gmail.com [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

They will keep going. Personally I think keep alives are a bad solution for
electrical problems on the railroad. A small, light locomotive may get some
assistance from one but it should be very limited and not allow the
locomotive to run more than a second. I was amazed at first when people
started installing these and bragged about running for 15 or 30 seconds or
more. Not a good thing.

If you must use the KA units I would suggest that you use some sort of
mechanical measure to stop the locomotive. I have seen some in the magazines
in the past where a bridge raising causes a mechanical device to rise up
between the tracks as a stopper.

Good luck.

Lou

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Subject: [QSIndustries] Keep A Live



This is a general question about Keep A Live and similar products.



On my layout I will be building a rolling lift bridge to allow my PRR
portion of the layout to run continuously rather than using two staging
yards. When the bridge is up, I want blocks of the track to be dead as well
as the signaling system to show Red over Red or just Red as needed. If one
or more of my locomotives have Keep A Live circuities will those ignore the
dead block and keep moving?
Or is the keep alive just for sound?



Thanks!!



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Re: Keep A Live

Lou
 

They will keep going. Personally I think keep alives are a bad solution for
electrical problems on the railroad. A small, light locomotive may get some
assistance from one but it should be very limited and not allow the
locomotive to run more than a second. I was amazed at first when people
started installing these and bragged about running for 15 or 30 seconds or
more. Not a good thing.

If you must use the KA units I would suggest that you use some sort of
mechanical measure to stop the locomotive. I have seen some in the magazines
in the past where a bridge raising causes a mechanical device to rise up
between the tracks as a stopper.

Good luck.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:38 AM
To: QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com
Cc: NCE-DCC@yahoogroups.com; jaysoscalelayout@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QSIndustries] Keep A Live



This is a general question about Keep A Live and similar products.



On my layout I will be building a rolling lift bridge to allow my PRR
portion of the layout to run continuously rather than using two staging
yards. When the bridge is up, I want blocks of the track to be dead as well
as the signaling system to show Red over Red or just Red as needed. If one
or more of my locomotives have Keep A Live circuities will those ignore the
dead block and keep moving?
Or is the keep alive just for sound?



Thanks!!



Jay Beckham



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Re: Keep A Live

Bob
 

If you have U boards you will have sound and and motor will continue to move engine until the caps drain down. That’s a down side of keep a live.
Bob

On May 5, 2018, at 8:37 AM, 'Jay Beckham' james@thebeckhams.us [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



This is a general question about Keep A Live and similar products.



On my layout I will be building a rolling lift bridge to allow my PRR portion of the layout to run
continuously rather than using two staging yards. When the bridge is up, I want blocks of the track
to be dead as well as the signaling system to show Red over Red or just Red as needed. If one or
more of my locomotives have Keep A Live circuities will those ignore the dead block and keep moving?
Or is the keep alive just for sound?



Thanks!!



Jay Beckham



Building a large O Scale layout in Berkeley Springs, WV.



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Re: Current keeper for Titian A

Bob
 

KJ 
I have and he doesn’t show connection for a titan A, only for revolution A which I have used.  I sent a email to QSI but haven’t heard back.
Bob




On May 5, 2018, at 8:26 AM, kjlovesya@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

  See the "Files" section (above).


KJ


Keep A Live

Jay Beckham
 

This is a general question about Keep A Live and similar products.



On my layout I will be building a rolling lift bridge to allow my PRR portion of the layout to run
continuously rather than using two staging yards. When the bridge is up, I want blocks of the track
to be dead as well as the signaling system to show Red over Red or just Red as needed. If one or
more of my locomotives have Keep A Live circuities will those ignore the dead block and keep moving?
Or is the keep alive just for sound?



Thanks!!



Jay Beckham



Building a large O Scale layout in Berkeley Springs, WV.



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Re: Current keeper for Titian A

kjlovesya
 

Hi Bob,

  See the "Files" section (above).


KJ


Current keeper for Titian A

Bob
 

I want to put some keep alives in some Titian A. I found a connection point mark +12 volts, would I connect the positive wire to this point and where would I connect then negative wire to. Any help would be appreciate.


Bob



Selling O-Guage Train Set

Heidi Dye
 

Hello, 

I have a train set with transformer and track to sell. My father, Art Boynton of the Scaled Tin Rail, built for my son. With his passing several years ago, the love of the set is gone and we are looking to be rid of it. Please let me know of anyone in the Phoenix area who may be able to assist. 

O-Gauge, all in good condition.

Rail King by MTH electronic Trains o-8-o Scale Switch Engine Chicago Northwestern with Proto Sound and working smoke.

Diesel (box gone) Union Pacific D.S.1050.  Adjustable sound.

Red dump car.

Rail King MTH Transport Flat Car with Ertl ’30 ½ ton panel van minus autos

Horse car REA Louisville, KY; with electronics and platform.   No horses, needs remote.

K-Line red caboose with working lights; NYCentral.

Lionel Reading Maintenance Caboose (collectable)

K-Line freight car; LIRR Ballast car. Dark blue.

K-Line Die Cast 2-bayy Outside-braced hopper car with real cola load.

K-Line ATSF tank car, #2 of 2.  Domestic-water car.

K-Line PRR LCL service boxcar #4.

Lionel refrigerator car minus wheels.

MTH UP steel-sided stock car with horse and cattle sounds.

2 Power packs: one with owner’s manual and broken handle (handle present).

Miscellaneous track and switches.  (4 pieces of remote-controlled track; 2 left-switches, 2 right)

Sound boxes.

Thank you, 

Heidi Boynton Dye


Re: HO smoke unit

adam starr
 

I may be off on the year the unit was made since I bought this on the 2nd market but it is a Titan. 

 I found the problem.  I was using CV manager and the output map didn't show the Xing assigned to any button.  But when I started verifying what was in the decoder, I found that Xing was assigned to F0.  I am not sure why that was causing the Xing to trigger when I was accelerating, but once I changed F0 to something else and Xing did not trigger on acceleration.  I reassigned Xing to F12 and it works as it is suppose to.

Thanks for you input. 


Re: HO smoke unit

Bill Kohler
 

Hmmmm...  That’s a puzzler.
 
My first thought was that it sounded like Phoenix or Soundtrax decoders that can be set to trigger the crossing signal sequence whenever you speed up above a threshold speed.
 
But QSI doesn’t have that feature, to the best of my knowledge.
 
If you’re talking about a decoder made in 2009, I’m guessing you’re not talking about a Titan, but rather an older Quantum decoder.
 
The Titan can be programmed for:
  1. No automatic sounds
  2. Automatic horn/whistle on starting and stopping
  3. Automatic horn/whistle, light changes and other sounds at starting and stopping, if the bell is playing.
But there is no setting for automatic crossing signal sequence that I can find. (It can be triggered by a reed relay...)
 
And the starting and stopping scenarios are greyed out in QSI’s CV Manager when you have an older Quantum Q2 decoder.
 
I’m using NCE G-Wire cabs, which are very similar to the Pro Cab, so I’m familiar with the wheel and buttons, but I can’t think of any correlation between them and the function buttons.
 
There is an ability in the NCE cabs to program macros into certain buttons, but I haven’t done that except for the suggested ‘Option-1’ sequence to shut off the cab.
 
Do you have another Pro Cab you could try, just to be sure there isn’t a problem with that cab itself...??
 
Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: HO smoke unit
 
 

Bill, 

 
Yes, did mean diode (and not another relay).  Thanks for giving Eric the tech info behind it.
 
Bill, I have O scale (2 rail) Atlas F 3 with a factory QSI decoder, I guess it was made about 2009.  The Xing scenerio was not assigned to any button.  Recently I assigned it to F12 and it worked but also when ever I used the thumb wheel or right hand accelerate button on my NCE pro cab, to speed up it also triggers the
Xing function.  I changed the function of F12 so that there are no function buttons assigned to the Xing function but the Xing scenero still triggers when I use the thumb wheel or right hand accelerate button.  Situation had persisted for several days now.  Any thoughts?


Re: HO smoke unit

adam starr
 

Bill, 

Yes, did mean diode (and not another relay).  Thanks for giving Eric the tech info behind it.

Bill, I have O scale (2 rail) Atlas F 3 with a factory QSI decoder, I guess it was made about 2009.  The Xing scenerio was not assigned to any button.  Recently I assigned it to F12 and it worked but also when ever I used the thumb wheel or right hand accelerate button on my NCE pro cab, to speed up it also triggers the
 Xing function.  I changed the function of F12 so that there are no function buttons assigned to the Xing function but the Xing scenero still triggers when I use the thumb wheel or right hand accelerate button.  Situation had persisted for several days now.  Any thoughts?


Re: HO smoke unit

Bill Kohler
 

2 things:
  1. You meant to say “...wire a diode across the DC coil terminals...”
  2. The relay will generate a high-voltage spike when the decoder tries to turn it off, which would fry the decoder’s output if you don’t connect the diode to snub it. The diode has to be connected with the marked end (cathode) towards the plus side of the relay coil.
Bill Kohler
CEO & Chief Engineer
Greenbrier, Cheat & Elk RR

You're never too old to enjoy a happy childhood!
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:06 AM
Subject: [QSIndustries] Re: HO smoke unit
 
 

Eric,

 
the relay I have used is Taiko CX 10N.  I looked on All electronics and they have this relay.  Only difference seems to be  mine has a 0 120 in the upper right hand corner and the one in their picture has a 0 122.
 
I could not recall what the amp draw was on mine but based on the numbers in the description on All  Electronic , it is a 12v relay with a resistance of 500 ohms which I believe works out to .024 amps which is under 100miliamp (.1amp).  You can double check my calculations but I bought like 2 dozen of these four years ago when I converted my O scale fleet from DC to DCC and only have one relay left.  Never had a problem with any of the fleet even if relay is on for some time.
 
Remember to wire a relay across the DC coil terminals so that nothing gets back into the positive lead.  I don't fully understand it, but like I said, the NCE manual clearly states this is a necessary move.  Maybe someone can explain more.
 
The relay cost $.75 There could be others outthere.  Not sure if it will fit in the HO engine.  Size specs are on the all Elec web site.

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