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Re: Wireless controllers

Nicholas Geti
 

Yes. I bought the full system from him when he was working with the QSI a year or two ago. But it wasn't until this past month I have gotten back into building my railroad which is when I discovered the problem. He spent a fair amount of time trying to help me but finally said he gives up on the QSI and won't support it any more. He only works now with Soundtraxx.
 
Nick Geti
 


Re: Wireless controllers

Nicholas Geti
 

I'll give that a try. The manual did not say to do quick clicks so I have not been doing that.
 
Nick Geti
 


Re: Wireless controllers

Ed Sauers <dockside98@...>
 

Nicholas,

I know that Neil does not formally support any sound decoders except for the Soundtraxx products.  Have you been in touch with Neil (s-cab)?

Ed Sauers


On 10/29/2017 5:18 PM, 'Nicholas Geti' ngeti@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 



The system is from S-Cab. He has a number of boosters of various amperages. After testing for several days we have come to an impasse. I have a lot of money tied up in engines with QSI decoders and I don't want to change now.
 
Is any engineer on this web site from QSI willing to investigate this problem for me?
 
Nick Geti
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Wireless controllers

 

Nicholas,

What wireless system are you using.

Thanks

Ed Sauers


On 10/28/2017 8:31 AM, Bob Menzies railscanner@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 
F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti





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Re: Wireless controllers

Ed Sauers <dockside98@...>
 

Nicholas,

Which wireless system are you using? Is F6 a NMRA stardard to startup decoders??? Soundtraxx Tsunami2 uses F5 I believe and F6 to shut down so Maybe it the wireless system that is the problem.

Ed Sauers


On 10/29/2017 4:58 PM, 'Nicholas Geti' ngeti@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 



That is exactly true. As I indicated, I shut down with F9. My problem is that I cannot start it up with F6 from the new wireless component. Either the signal from the wireless unit is not formatted correctly or the QSI is not fully compliant with NMRA standards. We tried the wireless unit on other decoders and it works perfectly. So I am stuck until I can prove where the problem lies.
 
Nick Geti
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Wireless controllers

 

F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti




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Re: Wireless controllers

Geoffb
 

Hi Nick,
Any of the 3 shutdown states requires a quick double click of F6  to start up.
Too long an interval between F6 clicks (or command packets) will not bring the decoder out of shutdown.. Is it possible there is too long a delay inserted between the F6 commands?
You could try a test by sending a set of F6 commands every time you hit F6 as an experiment, and try changing the delay timing between the command packets.

Have fun! 
Best regards,
Geoff Bunza
scalemodelanimation.com


Re: Wireless controllers

Bob Menzies <railscanner@...>
 

Can you program function 9 to be nothing on a programmer....it can be done with a QSI programmer in CV Manager 

On Oct 29, 2017 4:06 PM, "'Nicholas Geti' ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 



That is exactly true. As I indicated, I shut down with F9. My problem is that I cannot start it up with F6 from the new wireless component. Either the signal from the wireless unit is not formatted correctly or the QSI is not fully compliant with NMRA standards. We tried the wireless unit on other decoders and it works perfectly. So I am stuck until I can prove where the problem lies.
 
Nick Geti
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Wireless controllers

 

F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti




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Re: Wireless controllers

Nicholas Geti
 


The system is from S-Cab. He has a number of boosters of various amperages. After testing for several days we have come to an impasse. I have a lot of money tied up in engines with QSI decoders and I don't want to change now.
 
Is any engineer on this web site from QSI willing to investigate this problem for me?
 
Nick Geti
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Wireless controllers

 

Nicholas,

What wireless system are you using.

Thanks

Ed Sauers


On 10/28/2017 8:31 AM, Bob Menzies railscanner@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 
F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti





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Re: Wireless controllers

Nicholas Geti
 


That is exactly true. As I indicated, I shut down with F9. My problem is that I cannot start it up with F6 from the new wireless component. Either the signal from the wireless unit is not formatted correctly or the QSI is not fully compliant with NMRA standards. We tried the wireless unit on other decoders and it works perfectly. So I am stuck until I can prove where the problem lies.
 
Nick Geti
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Wireless controllers

 

F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti




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Re: Wireless controllers

Ed Sauers <dockside98@...>
 

Nicholas,

What wireless system are you using.

Thanks

Ed Sauers


On 10/28/2017 8:31 AM, Bob Menzies railscanner@... [QSIndustries] wrote:
 
F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti





Re: Wireless controllers

Bob Menzies <railscanner@...>
 

F9 is normally disconnect standby shutdown.... I suspect you pushed nine enough to put it to sleep or shutdown... 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:26 AM, "ngeti@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti




Wireless controllers

Nicholas Geti
 

Several vendors have come up with wireless microprocessor boards that can receive commands from a handheld controller. Power to run the board and motor comes from a lithium battery rather than through the rails. The board converts the radio signal commands to the same format as if it came through the rails and connects to the decoder.

I bought one of these but command F9 to shutdown and F6 to awake the decoder fails. The Titan decoder stays dead. After a lot of button pushing and power on/off cycles (no particular order) I can finally get it to start.

Can someone suggest how to analyze the digital stream fed to the Titan? I am thinking of getting a PC-based oscilloscope/logic analyzer to look at the bit streams to see if I can detect any errors.

I have a QSI programmer and everything works perfectly so I know the Titan is good. I would need to learn what the format is for a working command string.

Nicholas Geti




Re: QSI Version 9 sound decoder question

kjlovesya
 

Hi Jack,

  Bob is correct and Jon is partially correct.   JMRI does make things easier.  However, only two of the soundsets for Version 9 are in Decoder Pro, so it doesn't work for most of the version 9 firmware.







You can also find out what value of any CV is by having the decoder 'speak'.   In your case, if you'd like to find the existing value of CV 129.1.0, you do the following:

Program On Main (POM)

set CV 50 = 0         // this is the value of the secondary address

set CV 49 = 1         // this is the value of the primary address

Set CV 64 = 129     // CV 64 is the Query (ask a value) CV and 129 is the CV you want to read (you can read any CV value this way).




KJ


Re: QSI Version 9 sound decoder question

Bob Menzies <railscanner@...>
 

Here is the programming sequence: Set CV 50 to 0 set 49 to 1 set CV 129 to the number of notches you wish to program  I use 5 so that number would be 5/Bob Menzies

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 7:19 AM, warbonnet64@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

Greetings to All,


I am relatively new to DCC so please excuse my ignorance.  I have a Version 9 QSI equipped diesel locomotive and I would like to change CV 129.1.0 (Speed steps per notch).  The factory default setting has a value of 10.  If I understand the manual correctly I need to write CV 49 to 129 and CV 50 to 1.  I'm assuming I need another CV  to write the value I want but I'm lost as to where to find that CV.


Any help or advise would truly be appreciated for this poor boy trying to learn the world of DCC



Re: QSI Version 9 sound decoder question

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/27/2017 5:19 AM, warbonnet64@... [QSIndustries] wrote:


Any help or advise would truly be appreciated for this poor boy trying to learn the world of DCC

    You might try adding JMRI to your system.  It makes programming these newest decoders a snap.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


QSI Version 9 sound decoder question

jack_houck
 

Greetings to All,


I am relatively new to DCC so please excuse my ignorance.  I have a Version 9 QSI equipped diesel locomotive and I would like to change CV 129.1.0 (Speed steps per notch).  The factory default setting has a value of 10.  If I understand the manual correctly I need to write CV 49 to 129 and CV 50 to 1.  I'm assuming I need another CV  to write the value I want but I'm lost as to where to find that CV.


Any help or advise would truly be appreciated for this poor boy trying to learn the world of DCC


Re: Lighting colors for steam locomotives.

Doc Donaldson
 

One really important, to me anyhow, part of the explanation is that the “markers” on the rear of a tender or a diesel locomotive are NEVER lit if there is a car or other locomotive behind it.  It grates on my nerves to see a beautiful set of locomotives banging along at the head of a train with marker lights displayed on front and rear of all the locomotives.  Also, these lights were not very bright, often,  on steam, they were oil lamps.  They would generally not be used during the day at all, being replaced by red, white, or green flags. 

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Re: Lighting colors for steam locomotives.

Steve Haas
 

>>What is the difference between a class light and marker light?<<

 

Class lights define the status of the schedule whose authority the train is running under when operating under TT&TO authority. They are displayed on the front of the (usually) lead locomotive:

 

1)      No class lights or flags displayed – this is the last, or only section of a scheduled train,

2)      Green class lights displayed – this a scheduled train, with one of more sections to follow,

3)      White class lights displayed – this is an extra train, authorized not by the timetable, but by orders created by the dispatcher.

 

Marker lights are used to define the rear of a train.  On a freight train, they would be hung on the caboose.  On a passenger car, on the last car.  Lanterns, flags, and paddles were all used at various times on various railroads.

 

>>I assume that the marker lights on my engine are the housings in the upper left and right corners in front. Where would the class light be located? My engine does not have any housings other than the two marker lights.<<

 

Physically, these are nothing more than light fixtures.  They become class lights (front of train when needed), and marker lights (rear of train – always) as discussed above. 

 

Here’s a example:

 

An eastbound extra freight requires a helper on the rear to climb a steep grade to the summit.  Since it is an extra, the lead engine on the front will display white class lights in its front light fixtures and no lights on its tender. The helper on the rear will display red marker lights in its light fixtures to the rear of the engine.

 

At the summit, the rear helper is dropped – its red marker lights are extinguished (it is no longer part of a train), and it waits for additional orders from the dispatcher.  The extra hangs red markers on the rear of the caboose and heads down the other side of the  summit.

 

When the helper engine (lets say it is a steam engine, and in addition there are no turning facilities at the summit) receives orders to run extra back to the base of the grade, it will hang white (class) lights (actually white lenses) on the rear of the tender (the forward direction of the helper backing down the hill), and red marker lights (lenses) on the light fixtures at the front of the engine, and back down the hill to the base as an extra according to the orders given by the dispatcher.

 

Remember the definition of a train is (paraphrased) “on or more engines, with or without cars, displaying _markers_ (emphasis mine).  



>>On my engine there are two rectangular cutouts on either side of the headlight housing. I assume that they are for the number boards and will be lit by the headlight.<<

 

 

Yes, they are (usually) for the engine numbers, though some roads (I’m familiar with Southern Pacific) would put the train numbers in there; 124, 1-456, 2-456, 456 (the third and final section), or X-9876.

 

>>I assume the tender rear markers are red.<<

 

Yes, but only if the engine (train) is running without any trailing rolling stock.

 

>>These must be the two light housings in the upper left and right corners on my tender.<<

 

These are the light fixtures as discussed above.  Whether they are functioning as class lights, markers, or none of the above depends on the circumstances



Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: FX-DO manual, CVs

kelly dorf
 

all your questions:    Yes.


Re: Lighting colors for steam locomotives.

Nicholas Geti
 

What is the difference between a class light and marker light? I assume that the marker lights on my engine are the housings in the upper left and right corners in front. Where would the class light be located? My engine does not have any housings other than the two marker lights.

On my engine there are two rectangular cutouts on either side of the headlight housing. I assume that they are for the number boards and will be lit by the headlight.

I assume the tender rear markers are red. These must be the two light housings in the upper left and right corners on my tender.

The QSI Titans have two ports for firebox lights. They flicker nicely and increase the rate as the engine goes faster.

Nick Geti


Re: Error message while using the Programmer

Bob Menzies <railscanner@...>
 

Jay I get this too sometimes the program times out.... Make sure the usb port is firmly in place. I unplug the programmer and then replug it to reboot it. This clears this up for me./Bob Menzies

On Oct 23, 2017 11:28 PM, "'Jay Beckham' james@... [QSIndustries]" <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

I when and restarted my computer and the error hasn’t occurred since.  So not sure what happened but it works now.

 

Jay Beckham

 

Building a large O Scale layout in Berkeley Springs, WV.

 

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Subject: [QSIndustries] Error message while using the Programmer

 

 

Got this while programming a steam decoder.  Also followed by Error Code 2 some of the time.

SI_GetNumDevices returns SI_DEVUCE_NOT_FOUND

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