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Re: Keep Alive Install

kjlovesya
 

HI Bob,

  I don't have any factory installed decoders, so I cannot help with specifics.  However, I can give you information about the electronics, universal to all decoders.

  The existing external (wired) capacitor is actually only designed to combat light flickering.   It does not affect the motor or sound sections of the decoder.   As such, replacing it with a high value capacitor (Keep Alive) would only keep the lights alive for a long period of time.

  What you need to do is find the bridge rectifier portion of the decoder.   A bridge rectifier is made up of four rectangular diodes (black with a white stripe on one end - connected directly on the power input).  Diodes pass current in only one direction.  The diodes are connected in such a way that the incoming track current (Alternating Current or AC) is rectified into Direct Current (DC  = + voltage or Ground).   The output is polarized (approx. +12 and GND) and that is where the blue (+12 Volt) and Black w/white striped (GND) wires of the Keep Alive are connected.

  Here's a great link for explaining more:  http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/mainnorth/alive.htm

KJ

Large Scale Wireless DCC Options (was: QSI Status Update)

Kevin Strong
 

Options in large scale for wireless DCC? There are more now than there have ever been. I’ve been doing battery R/C in large scale for 30+ years, and I’m a kid in a candy store with what’s available now!

 

Receivers…

 

Tam Valley Depot – 3 amps continuous, 5 amps peak. I know you said you use these and find them unsatisfactory. The “channel 16” thing I understand. It is a limitation in your situation, but also an advantage in certain instances, as you do not need to give the receiver a specific DCC address as you do the Airwire Convertr. (Gilbert, what’s limiting you to 40 scale mph in your installation? I’ve used them pretty much exclusively for the past three years, and have had no issues related to power.) The receiver is limited to 18 volts in, so that could potentially limit your top-end speed depending on how the loco is geared. However, you can pair Tam Valley Depot’s small receiver with their separate 3-amp booster, which can handle in excess of 24 volts. The voltage input to the small receiver is limited to 18 volts, but that’s easily handled with a voltage regulator between the battery and receiver.

 

Airwire Convertr – Airwire just released a new 6 amp continuous version of their Convertr receiver. If you’re having power issues with the TVD receiver, use this instead. It has a peak capacity of something ridiculous like 55 amps. They’ve also got their 2.5 amp continuous receiver (suitable for small locos like 0-4-0s, 0-6-0s, etc.) and a 1.5 amp version for small critters and the like.

 

Airwire G3 and plug-in receivers. These are certainly an option if you don’t want sound, as they combine the receiver, motor, smoke, and light control in one board for about the same price as a Convertr. If you’ve got a Phoenix sound board lying around, they’re easily paired for realistic sound, though you do not get the benefits of BEMF response as you do with today’s modern motor/sound DCC decoders.

 

Both the Tam Valley Depot and Airwire receivers work with the current Airwire T-5000 and T-1300 throttles, as well as the legacy T-9000 and RF1300 (except the latter does not go up to channel 16). They also work with the old NCE G-wire throttle, again, subject to the limitation of channel 16, and you may have difficulties programming the decoders with the G-wire throttle, as sometimes exists with programming the older Airwire motor/light boards.

 

 

Decoders…

 

Absent QSI, your options for motor/sound DCC decoders for large scale are TCS, Soundtraxx Tsunami2, Soundtraxx Econami, Zimo, Massoth, and ESU. (Piko also makes a large scale decoder, but it’s made by Soundtraxx, and if you’re going to go that route, go with the Econami or Tsunami2. Much more bang for your buck.)

 

I would note that the large scale version of the Tsunami2 is not yet available, but I spoke with Soundtraxx three weeks ago, and the board was undergoing final FCC approval, and would have it on the market within 2 months from receiving that approval.)

 

Of those, I’ve used all of them except the ESU decoder. (I’ve not used the large scale version of the TCS or Tsunami2 yet, as they’re just hitting the market, but I’ve used the smaller-capacity versions in my On30). I have no arguments with the quality of any of these decoders, either in terms of sound quality or performance. They are every bit on par with QSI, arguably superior in various arenas.

 

Gilbert, if motor control is your paramount concern, look at the Zimo boards. Their motor control is the smoothest “out of the gate” of the decoders I’ve used. (Again, I can’t speak to ESU since I’ve not played with them.) I would caution on the Zimo sounds, however. Zimo’s sound files are developed by third party contributors, not Zimo, so there’s little guarantee of consistency from file to file. Also, few sound files have recorded samples on the web site, so there’s no way of knowing what the file sounds like prior to loading it onto the decoder and firing things up.

 

 

Bottom line, there’s a lot you can do now with DCC in a large scale wireless environment to the point where the loss of QSI and their G-wire receiver should hardly cause more than a ripple. With the exception of a Titan I picked up last year for half price at Caboose Hobbies’ clearance sale, I’ve not bought a QSI decoder in two years. There’s been no need to. The latest offerings from the other folks fill the gap, and then some.

 

Later,

 

K

Re: QSI Status Update

JOHN and NAN THUT <janthut@...>
 

Most of our experience is with DCC track power now that gwire is gone but the ESU LokSound "Select" products for North American sounds are excellent. You would want to use the "L Select", then look on the ESU website to see what sound set would be best. The motor control is excellent and, in my opinion, the sounds are as well, though there seems to be a very different way of looking at (or listening to) digital sounds. As I said earlier, some folks thought the QSI sounds were wonderful while others thought they had a totally unrealistic "digital" sounds.

John T.


From: QSIndustries@... on behalf of 'Gilbert Buras Jr' grburas@... [QSIndustries]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:59:31 PM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: RE: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update
 
 

I am a large scale guy – battery powered and wireless and out in the yard with 300 feet of track. What do you recommend, John?  There isn’t that much out there that I am aware of, but then, I pretty much quit the hobby a couple of years ago when I couldn’t keep my fleet supplied with the same decoder. I’ve got two locomotives just sitting in boxes waiting on electronics.

 

CVP is very robust, but it is in the stone age as far as lighting control.  

 

Because the G-wire unit was no longer available, I replaced a dead QSI receiver with a Tam Valley unit– it won’t deliver enough power to get the loco over 40 mph scale speed and only operates on channel 16, requiring me to manually change channels to throw switches, since everything else I own is on channel 1 – or switch all of my locos over.

 

Aristocraft left a bad taste in my mouth so I won’t consider the Crest products.

 

People beefed about programming the Titan and, yes, if you are going to do it with a handheld you are in for a nightmare.  But the computer interface was a godsend and made configuring the Titan a lot of fun once you got the hang of it.  The chuff rate programming was a work of genius.

 

I may be unusual, but the loco sounds are far down the list of my desired features in a decoder.  I operate outdoors and would just as soon listen to the birds.   I want quiet, smooth and ultra slow speed motor control first and foremost, and realistic, multiple lighting options. QSI delivered that.  Too bad they couldn’t deliver a product.

 

 

 

From: QSIndustries@... [mailto:QSIndustries@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:28 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update

 

 

It seems as if opinions as to the quality of QSI decoders run along the "either you love them or hate them" category. I agree the "nothing else can touch them" statement is a bit of an overstatement! I have been a dealer of SoundTraxx, ESU Digitrax and QSI sound decoders for quite a few years and have many customers who hear the QSI sound as "flat and Digital" in nature. Admittedly it was the loudest sound a few years back.  I can tell you as a programmer of sound decoders that the QSI products were pretty much of a nightmare to program, often failing to do so at either step one or the very last step in the programming process. On the other hand, the ESU (LokSound) and Digitrax decoders program with great ease and reliability. When a period would come that Josh quit communicating I resolved many time to stop handling the line but then Josh would finally respond to an email and the products would become available again (for awhile). I agree that the new Soundtraxx and ESU products have much to offer and produce a very realistic sound. If you liked the Revolutions and Titans because you could rattle the windows with their larger amplifiers be aware that The new Tsunamis now also have a 2 watt amplifier. Model railroading is a hobby, it's supposed to provide fun, so I encourage you to try another line if you haven't already. You may be in for a pleasant surprise!

 

John Thut

DCC Hobby Supply

 


From: QSIndustries@... <QSIndustries@...> on behalf of Terry Humerickhouse terryintexas7@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:14 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update

 

 

I disagree in part with the nothing could touch them statement 

I look at QSI as the AOL of decoders

Once they had total market dominance but they let that slip away just like aol did

Both TCS and the Tsunami 2 have passed QSI up with new features like TCS working dynamic brakes and auto notching or tsunami 

2 working train break 

But both these 2 far surpass QSI in customer service with 1 year guarantees and great response times

QSI has long enjoyed an edge in large scale bit even that has eroided

 

L Mar 12, 2017, at 9:28 AM, grburas@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 

 

There you have it, the answer to all of the questions you’ve posted for years.  And we Large Scalers are, as usual, screwed - and if, like me, you are wireless, even more so.

 

What makes this all the more frustrating is that the product itself was, without question, the slickest on the market.  Motor control, lighting control, sounds, configurability: nothing else could touch it. 

 

The worst part of this experience was the total lack of candor. If there were a way I could sue, I would.

Keep Alive Install

bob_duff00@...
 

I have an Atlas HH660 with a @QSI factory installed decoder.  I want to install a TCS keep alive. Where shouls the wiring connections be made.  Remove the QSI capacitor and replace with the TCS?


Bob

Re: QSI Status Update

Gilbert Buras Jr
 

I am a large scale guy – battery powered and wireless and out in the yard with 300 feet of track. What do you recommend, John? There isn’t that much out there that I am aware of, but then, I pretty much quit the hobby a couple of years ago when I couldn’t keep my fleet supplied with the same decoder. I’ve got two locomotives just sitting in boxes waiting on electronics.

CVP is very robust, but it is in the stone age as far as lighting control.

Because the G-wire unit was no longer available, I replaced a dead QSI receiver with a Tam Valley unit– it won’t deliver enough power to get the loco over 40 mph scale speed and only operates on channel 16, requiring me to manually change channels to throw switches, since everything else I own is on channel 1 – or switch all of my locos over.

Aristocraft left a bad taste in my mouth so I won’t consider the Crest products.

People beefed about programming the Titan and, yes, if you are going to do it with a handheld you are in for a nightmare. But the computer interface was a godsend and made configuring the Titan a lot of fun once you got the hang of it. The chuff rate programming was a work of genius.

I may be unusual, but the loco sounds are far down the list of my desired features in a decoder. I operate outdoors and would just as soon listen to the birds. I want quiet, smooth and ultra slow speed motor control first and foremost, and realistic, multiple lighting options. QSI delivered that. Too bad they couldn’t deliver a product.



From: QSIndustries@... [mailto:QSIndustries@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:28 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update


It seems as if opinions as to the quality of QSI decoders run along the "either you love them or hate them" category. I agree the "nothing else can touch them" statement is a bit of an overstatement! I have been a dealer of SoundTraxx, ESU Digitrax and QSI sound decoders for quite a few years and have many customers who hear the QSI sound as "flat and Digital" in nature. Admittedly it was the loudest sound a few years back. I can tell you as a programmer of sound decoders that the QSI products were pretty much of a nightmare to program, often failing to do so at either step one or the very last step in the programming process. On the other hand, the ESU (LokSound) and Digitrax decoders program with great ease and reliability. When a period would come that Josh quit communicating I resolved many time to stop handling the line but then Josh would finally respond to an email and the products would become available again (for awhile). I agree that the new Soundtraxx and ESU products have much to offer and produce a very realistic sound. If you liked the Revolutions and Titans because you could rattle the windows with their larger amplifiers be aware that The new Tsunamis now also have a 2 watt amplifier. Model railroading is a hobby, it's supposed to provide fun, so I encourage you to try another line if you haven't already. You may be in for a pleasant surprise!

John Thut
DCC Hobby Supply

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From: QSIndustries@... <mailto:QSIndustries@...> <QSIndustries@... <mailto:QSIndustries@...> > on behalf of Terry Humerickhouse terryintexas7@... <mailto:terryintexas7@...> [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@... <mailto:QSIndustries@...> >
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:14 AM
To: QSIndustries@... <mailto:QSIndustries@...>
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update


I disagree in part with the nothing could touch them statement
I look at QSI as the AOL of decoders
Once they had total market dominance but they let that slip away just like aol did
Both TCS and the Tsunami 2 have passed QSI up with new features like TCS working dynamic brakes and auto notching or tsunami
2 working train break
But both these 2 far surpass QSI in customer service with 1 year guarantees and great response times
QSI has long enjoyed an edge in large scale bit even that has eroided

L Mar 12, 2017, at 9:28 AM, grburas@... <mailto:grburas@...> [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@... <mailto:QSIndustries@...> > wrote:


There you have it, the answer to all of the questions you’ve posted for years. And we Large Scalers are, as usual, screwed - and if, like me, you are wireless, even more so.

What makes this all the more frustrating is that the product itself was, without question, the slickest on the market. Motor control, lighting control, sounds, configurability: nothing else could touch it.

The worst part of this experience was the total lack of candor. If there were a way I could sue, I would.

Re: QSI Status Update

JOHN and NAN THUT <janthut@...>
 

It seems as if opinions as to the quality of QSI decoders run along the "either you love them or hate them" category. I agree the "nothing else can touch them" statement is a bit of an overstatement! I have been a dealer of SoundTraxx, ESU Digitrax and QSI sound decoders for quite a few years and have many customers who hear the QSI sound as "flat and Digital" in nature. Admittedly it was the loudest sound a few years back.  I can tell you as a programmer of sound decoders that the QSI products were pretty much of a nightmare to program, often failing to do so at either step one or the very last step in the programming process. On the other hand, the ESU (LokSound) and Digitrax decoders program with great ease and reliability. When a period would come that Josh quit communicating I resolved many time to stop handling the line but then Josh would finally respond to an email and the products would become available again (for awhile). I agree that the new Soundtraxx and ESU products have much to offer and produce a very realistic sound. If you liked the Revolutions and Titans because you could rattle the windows with their larger amplifiers be aware that The new Tsunamis now also have a 2 watt amplifier. Model railroading is a hobby, it's supposed to provide fun, so I encourage you to try another line if you haven't already. You may be in for a pleasant surprise!


John Thut

DCC Hobby Supply




From: QSIndustries@... on behalf of Terry Humerickhouse terryintexas7@... [QSIndustries]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:14 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update
 
 

I disagree in part with the nothing could touch them statement 
I look at QSI as the AOL of decoders
Once they had total market dominance but they let that slip away just like aol did
Both TCS and the Tsunami 2 have passed QSI up with new features like TCS working dynamic brakes and auto notching or tsunami 
2 working train break 
But both these 2 far surpass QSI in customer service with 1 year guarantees and great response times
QSI has long enjoyed an edge in large scale bit even that has eroided

L Mar 12, 2017, at 9:28 AM, grburas@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 

There you have it, the answer to all of the questions you’ve posted for years.  And we Large Scalers are, as usual, screwed - and if, like me, you are wireless, even more so.


What makes this all the more frustrating is that the product itself was, without question, the slickest on the market.  Motor control, lighting control, sounds, configurability: nothing else could touch it. 


The worst part of this experience was the total lack of candor. If there were a way I could sue, I would.

Re: QSI Status Update

Terry Humerickhouse
 

I disagree in part with the nothing could touch them statement 
I look at QSI as the AOL of decoders
Once they had total market dominance but they let that slip away just like aol did
Both TCS and the Tsunami 2 have passed QSI up with new features like TCS working dynamic brakes and auto notching or tsunami 
2 working train break 
But both these 2 far surpass QSI in customer service with 1 year guarantees and great response times
QSI has long enjoyed an edge in large scale bit even that has eroided

L Mar 12, 2017, at 9:28 AM, grburas@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 

There you have it, the answer to all of the questions you’ve posted for years.  And we Large Scalers are, as usual, screwed - and if, like me, you are wireless, even more so.


What makes this all the more frustrating is that the product itself was, without question, the slickest on the market.  Motor control, lighting control, sounds, configurability: nothing else could touch it. 


The worst part of this experience was the total lack of candor. If there were a way I could sue, I would.

Re: QSI Status

Gilbert Buras Jr
 

Thank you, QSI for your interest in the people who spent hundreds and thousands of dollars buying these products.

But please first explain the apparent shell game being played with the product line. 

You state in your post: "With the exception of the Titan-U, the FX-SD and the FX-DO (used in OEM installations by Atlas, Atlas O and Sunset Models among others), all other aftermarket product designs are owned by QSIS and are not the property of QSI and are not supported."

Is that so?

Here is what QSIS stated on its website:  These license terms are an agreement between QS Industries Inc. (QSI) and you. They apply to any hardware, software, firmware, and any method by which you receive these items, if any. The terms apply to any QSI
  • Updates,
  • Network/Internet based services,
  • Support services,
  • Sound records,
  • Firmware,Software,
  • Hardware,
  • Anything incorporating any QSI technology and/or QSI intellectual property.
Any lawyer would have a fistful of questions for you, such as: who are the patent holders, who are the trademark holders, who granted permissive use of the QSI name, what do the license agreements between QSI and QSIS provide for?

Any fair reading of the website representations, and especially QSI's, would lead the reader to conclude that QSIS was merely the marketing and service end of a product to which QSI held the intellectual property rights.

Any model railroader/lawyers are welcomed to contact me by private message.

Gilbert R Buras, Jr. 
grburas@...
 



 

Re: QSI Status Update

Gilbert Buras Jr
 

There you have it, the answer to all of the questions you’ve posted for years.  And we Large Scalers are, as usual, screwed - and if, like me, you are wireless, even more so.


What makes this all the more frustrating is that the product itself was, without question, the slickest on the market.  Motor control, lighting control, sounds, configurability: nothing else could touch it. 


The worst part of this experience was the total lack of candor. If there were a way I could sue, I would.

Re: QSI Status Update

Colin Hussey
 

Eugene


What this announcement really is saying that QSI is at them moment basically only able to supply OEM decoders thus putting the warranty issues not on QSI rather on the model makers who have to give a 12month warranty on the whole model, QSI can therefore dip out after 3 months.


Great stuff!!!




From: QSIndustries@... on behalf of Eugene Azzopardi EugsStation@... [QSIndustries]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2017 9:55 AM
To: QSIndustries@...
Subject: Re: [QSIndustries] Re: QSI Status Update
 


Yes over $1000 down the drain and frustration for a number of years trying to have items repaired/replaced and the official answer is we cannot support or help you.
I now have a fleet of 50 +  locomotives fitted with QSI decoders that have no future help or support.

Thankyou QSI.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM, lleeblues@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

So in essence your out of luck and out of what every you paid for the decoders. So sad.




Re: QSI Status Update

Terry Humerickhouse
 

So glad I stopped dealing with qsi  


On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:51 PM, lleeblues@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:

 

So in essence your out of luck and out of what every you paid for the decoders. So sad.

Re: QSI Status Update

kelly dorf
 

If you need technical support for a Titan-U or any other QSI product, asking for help here in this forum should be step one. If you need additional assistance, you may email QSI directly. We will not shut you out.

Re: QSI Status Update

kelly dorf
 

Titan-U for aftermarket will not be produced by QSI at this time. We are holding that option open.

Re: QSI Status Update

jimalbanowski
 

Group:

At least Kelly is being honest, let's not dump on QSI now... maybe later if need be, but not now.

I'm not going to do this but since the QSIS site is up shouldn't folks "clone" the software and sound files, *now*?  Build a repository so we can support each other?

As decoders die see what the replacement path is. Kelly says the Titan-U is theirs so that covers a bunch of installs. After all if it works now it should keep working for awhile.

Let's see what shakes out.

Then there is the possibility that Josh or those close to him and QSIS can sort this out...

Then there is the "White Knight" who might be able to jump in... Not me, I'm too old for this, but tempting...

Jim Albanowski




Re: QSI Status Update

Eugene Azzopardi <EugsStation@...>
 

Yes over $1000 down the drain and frustration for a number of years trying to have items repaired/replaced and the official answer is we cannot support or help you.
I now have a fleet of 50 +  locomotives fitted with QSI decoders that have no future help or support.

Thankyou QSI.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM, lleeblues@... [QSIndustries] <QSIndustries@...> wrote:
 

So in essence your out of luck and out of what every you paid for the decoders. So sad.


Re: QSI Status Update

kjlovesya
 

Hi Kelly,

  If QSI owns the Titan - U, will they be available?



KJ

Re: QSI Status Update

Leonard Davis
 

So in essence your out of luck and out of what every you paid for the decoders. So sad.

QSI Status Update

kelly dorf
 

The following is an official statement from QSI.


To our valued and loyal customers:


Because of on-going unresolved distribution and support problems with QSIS (QSI Solutions), we are currently unable to supply new aftermarket products. At this time, all aftermarket inventory, if it exists, is available only from QSIS.


With the exception of the Titan-U, the FX-SD and the FX-DO (used in OEM installations by Atlas, Atlas O and Sunset Models among others), all other aftermarket product designs are owned by QSIS and are not the property of QSI and are not supported. We will try our best at QSI to resolve individual customer aftermarket problems directed to our e-mail address regarding QSI products, but are limited in our ability to do so because of component availability. This also applies to our legacy products such as early 3-rail systems and accessories.


If you have unresolved issues with returns or repairs that you have already purchased or sent to QSIS, we are unable to assist you. We will advise if conditions between QSIS and QSI change.


We will continue to supply and support our OEM Titan products that are designed for factory installation. 


Titans for Sale

Ed.Sauers
 

Group.

I have 2 new Titan U's that are available for sale $90 each plus shipping. Please contact me off list if interested at edsauers@... edsauers at gmail dot com

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Re: QSI Availability

mforsyth127
 

>I have orders in for Titan-U's. Can someone tell me if QSI Solutions is back on line, or are will they be available from another source?

Tim...damn fine question!

I wish somebody would tell us SOMETHING...ANYTHING rather than just leave us all swingin' in the wind!

Matt Forsyth
Forsyth Rail Servces