OT: Linux
ajparent1/kb1gmx
Linux Desktop and laptop user since 2007. I run off the Debian tree usually Ubuntu, Mint
or for the Rpi Rasbian. I will not tell anyone to switch, its their life and time. I jumped as my life and time was not being helped by dealing with the all to often winders issues and needing to run elaborate software to protect it due to its affinity for virus, worms, exploits, and sundry hacks. Unlike many here I was not a long time winders fan. Personal system I Had CP/M up and running back in '76 and continued using that as mainline system though the 90s. I also ran RT-11, RSX11, OpenVMS on DEC hardware I had (PDP11 and VAX) for fast stable systems that still run to this day. During the mid 90s I had to have compatibility so PS running DOS, then 3.11, win95 and NT4. By then I'd laid in money to be expert in NT4 and win 95/98 and learned well staying with MS meant paying, and paying. So I jumped. Prior to that I had worked with Linux for server level uses and it was good also only command line, but desktop in the late 90s was incomplete and a bit strange. Anyhow in '07 I jumped to Ubunto 7.04and prodding from my boss a true linux and Mac os10 user and never looked back. I use Virtualbox to run win98lite and XP for ability to use old dos and winders based tools like MPLAB and a few others. .wine is good for many things and runs 4NEC2 antenna modeler really well. LibreOffice has been the standard for replacing all of M$office and while many use Outlook I hate it so I don't use Evolution though it works well. Every winders thing has a Linux replacement of in some cases a better solution. Also in the last 10 years the Ubuntu desktop passes well enough for my partner that was a hardcore winders user on a laptop that barely ran it. As to system hardware PCs, It runs well on my Eeepc 700 and EeePC 1040 (dual core atom) still, also an old IBM R40 (PII1.5ghz 1GB ram), and is fairly snappy on a Dell Latitude D600 (PIII/1.6ghz 2gb ram). And the desktop in use for this is a MintBox (AMD 1.6ghz quad core with 8gb ram). Fastest machine I own is a ITX box running a 2ghz quadcore with 8gb and 250gb SSD. Since I don't game speed its not a requirement only solid bullet proof operation and if its low power (MintBox!) that's a good thing. Since my Mintbox run on solar charged station battery, its up time is 380 days... Sometimes an updadate requires a reboot. Never got winders to go more than 6 months uptime. For laughs I also have a Rpi3B+ in a case with a 10" LCD and mouse and keyboard running Raspbian as it has wifi and BT. That steampunked box gets a lot of looks but it is more than enough to take notes in a meeting and run the presentation screen and even update the PP (LibreOffice IMPRESS). One problem is that products become available like minivnapro and the software is black box and only winders. This is where Virtualbox makes it money. I can run a "real" licensed winders system that makes the software happy and use products like that. I'd prefer they supported Linux directly. Allison
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David
Remmove 5V from a Raspberry Pi when it's writing to the uSD card and there's a good chance that it'll screw the card (permanently). Been there, done it. Dave On 17/10/2019 15:23, Andy Brilleaux
17,410,742 via Groups.Io wrote:
Let us not forgot a few other great points about Linux.
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 04:46 PM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
One problem is that products become available like minivnapro and thevnaJ is a Java based program for those products. I use it here both on my PC and Raspberry PI. All for free. 73 de Andy
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 04:46 PM, David wrote:
Remmove 5V from a Raspberry Pi when it's writing to the uSD card and there's a good chance that it'll screw the card (permanently). Been there, done it.I just pull the power cord on mine, been doing it for a year now with zero problems. I do however run everything is a RAMDISK, and no swap file, so that probably helps. 73 de Andy
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Jerry Gaffke
At work it was BSD Unix into the 1990's.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:46 AM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
I will not tell anyone to switch, its their life and time. I jumped as my life and time was
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ajparent1/kb1gmx
Why would you pull the power on a PI while a file is open on the uSD??
That's begging for issues. I also do not use the miniUSB for power, its injected (5V) at the GPIO pin area though a more secure connector. Mine the power is actually cut under program control at shutdown. I added a latching power on and the Pi uses a GPIO to punch the off side. Seemed like the logical solution. ===================================================== RE unix: I run V6, V7, 2.11 on PDP-11. I have Ultrix V4.2 (has BSD) for VAX along with NETBSD for a few (I have 10 VAX systems) of them. Started with slackware V.09, still have the 75 floppies! Never minded DOS (v3.3 through 6.22) as it was like CP/M and even used the same FCB structures. I have a few 486 powered boxes for those times... At work I had a linux box for me and also the company machine with win10pro. Win10pro has provision for a linux interface and I survived there. Thankfully retired now. Allison
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Alan G4ZFQ
Hours wasted with scandisk or repairing a registry.Andy, I don't want to defend Windows overmuch but a lot of Linux users do use out of date criticisms. Accidently turn off a Windows 10 computer and you hardly know if it has done anything extra during the bootup. All the checkdisk seems to have gone long ago. On Windows you have an ever growing registry that want to register every file for every application.Does it? Certainly my XP will have run almost continuously for 10 years in a few days time. It does not get rebooted often but does not seem to take much longer than it ever did. And it has been heavily used, any software I see, I try. Alan ZFQ:OK, it is time to try again, it was Open Office when I last tried. Also maybe my xls is too old? And then there's being able to just write simple BASH scripts to perform custom tasks.simple BASH scripts? I use "Command line" and Batch files, not needed to try Power Shell yet. Oh, I see you did =Bash with Batch. Pretty much all Linux app functions can be done on a command line without even opening up the GUI,I like mouse clicks:-) And it saves having to remember commands. But each to their own, there's LOTS of variantsBut not some I use, I have investigated. USB, or has it changed? Just look at the the aggro Windows makes to program an ATMEL controller for a QRP Labs product.Come off it! Use Averdudess and it's exactly the same. Installing the dreaded driver is easy if you know how. Windows tells YOU what to do :-(Maybe but then I tell it the way I want to do things. There are free programs that help in that respect. Thanks for the tips Andy but obviously I do not see Windows through a Linux man's eyes. I do not know what caused Hans' problem, many users say Windows 10 is getting to be the best yet. (After some annoying features when it was first introduced.) It runs fairly well on my 10 year old computers but I'm not paying for it. Older Windows suit me better and I use the £100 Windows 10 tablet thing when I want to be reasonably secure. 73 Alan G4ZFQ
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Stephen Farthing G0XAR JO92ON97
Linux, ha! Back in the days before Linux I got Minix to work, I think in about 1990. Minix is an open source sort of Linux produced by Andy Tannenbaum at the University of Amsterdam. I was suitably astonished to find out Minix still going after all those years. I can’t even remember what hardware it ran on when I did it. Possibly a 286 running ms/dos from floppy’s. Interestingly (well it is to me as I learned to code in 1972 on an ICL 1903 in (Algol 60) which had real core storage, on toroids way smaller than those in Hans’s kits) there are a number of emulations of elderly computers running on the Raspberry Pi. When I find the “round to it” Hans gave me I’ve a PDP11 front panel kit to build which has many flashing lights and switches, as proper computers had back then. The actual computing is done by a Raspberry Pi running an RSX/11m emulator (the Dec real time operating system). To try and wrestle this back on topic, programming back then has a lot in common with programming AVRs and other microcontrollers now. Limited code space, little operating system support and some hardware knowledge required. And loading code into hardware was often a bit tricky. I’m always amazed by the amount of functionality Hans has shoehorned into the QCX AVR. 73s Steve G0XAR
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Paul AI4EE
"I once programmed an entire database using just ones and zeros." "You had ones? We had to use the letter l." :-)
On 10/17/2019 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing G0XAR JO92ON97 wrote:
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Bruce K1FFX
I meant to ask this question in this thread when it was active last month, but didn't get around to it ... so hoping better late than never:
I long ago switched to Mac for most of my purposes, but have maintained a Windows machine ... the last in the house ... in the ham shack. Now, Microsoft is letting me know that this is the end for Windows 7 support. My choices are: (1) live without support (2) "upgrade" to Windows 10 (ain't gonna happen) or (3) migrate to Linux. I have a lot of experience with Linux and would be fine going that way ... _except_ for logging software. I really like the N1MM software. So, my question is: have folks found really satisfactory logging software for the Linux platform? I'd be really grateful for recommendations, if there are any. Best - Bruce K1FFX
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K9WIS <k9wis@...>
You can install Unbutnu linux on your windows 7 machine and then choose which OS you want to run at startup...the nice part about Unbuntu running side by side with windows is that you can access the files on your window OS from the Unbuntu OS.
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After the last automatic unauthorized update to windows 10 from microsoft, many programs and all my USB to serial adapters stopped working and all efforts to get them to work failed. So all the computers in the shack are now Linux machines. They run a lot faster without auto update surprises and the old usb to serial adapters worked..yay.. Bria K9WIS -----------------------------------------
From: "Bruce K1FFX"
To: QRPLabs@groups.io Cc: Sent: Monday November 11 2019 1:26:03PM Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] OT: Linux I meant to ask this question in this thread when it was active last month, but didn't get around to it ... so hoping better late than never: I long ago switched to Mac for most of my purposes, but have maintained a Windows machine ... the last in the house ... in the ham shack. Now, Microsoft is letting me know that this is the end for Windows 7 support. My choices are: (1) live without support (2) "upgrade" to Windows 10 (ain't gonna happen) or (3) migrate to Linux. I have a lot of experience with Linux and would be fine going that way ... _except_ for logging software. I really like the N1MM software. So, my question is: have folks found really satisfactory logging software for the Linux platform? I'd be really grateful for recommendations, if there are any. Best - Bruce K1FFX
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Hi all Interested I read this theme. Soon I also on Linux. When I was qrl ALL my servers also some clients has been on Linux (CentOS/Debian). After retirement I recognized on Linux exists not so much HAM radio Software - then I changed to WIN. Now Its time to change again. Either Ubuntu or Mint. Question: (the Red Pitaya Q is not for me -- for a friend) - anybody running HAM Radio DeLuxe - (maybe with the WineHQ) ? - anywhere running a RedPitaya with any SDR frontend on Linux (RX AND TX) ? 73 Erich
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sri I meant somewhere and somebody... hihi
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Michael.2E0IHW
Many we are who face this dilemma.
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Win7 - with protection software and no links other than ham software : with backups, reasonably safe. Win10 : with enervating, superfluous apps and updates : probably safe-ish. With protection, probably best for personal and banking - and for many ham implementations. Linux : learning curve, but overall, once mastered, probably the best future-proof choice. Wine should bridge when needed. I too would welcome any hints and links for ham applications. MAC : dunno. Others will advise. Michael
On 11/11/2019 18:26, Bruce K1FFX wrote:
... Microsoft is letting me know that this is the end for Windows 7 support. My choices are: (1) live without support (2) "upgrade" to Windows 10 (ain't gonna happen) or (3) migrate to Linux.... Bruce K1FFX
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Not everyone trusts Ubuntu, especially if you are a FOSS Linux purist.
The Amazon "spyware" and some other call home type stuff has made the purists suspicious. 73 de Andy
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 07:38 PM, HB9FIH wrote:
- anybody running HAM Radio DeLuxe - (maybe with the WineHQ) ?https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/ham-radio-deluxe-support-hacked-my-computer.547962/ https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/5jf4i2/ham_radio_deluxe_mega_thread/ Might be better off with FLRIG ? http://www.w1hkj.com/ 73 de Andy
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Jim Mcilroy
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I used Linux Mint for a while but found difficulties getting certain drivers. Installed Fedora 30 and have found that to be very good generally. 73 Jim G4EQX
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Simon G0FCU
Hi Bruce, as no one else who has replied has tried to answer your actual question then I will! On Linux I use CQRLOG https://www.cqrlog.com/about but a potential alternative worth looking at is CloudLog https://www.magicbug.co.uk/cloudlog/ Both are open source. Regards Simon G0FCU.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 18:26, Bruce K1FFX <rosen.bruce@...> wrote: I meant to ask this question in this thread when it was active last month, but didn't get around to it ... so hoping better late than never:
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Clive Lorton
I’m running win7 for logging on my Mac mini using virtual box. No updates for win so it is running fast. Sophos anti virus runs very well. Time machine also backs up my log book. If it catches a cold I can revert to a clean snapshot. I’m sure there’s a vulnerability somewhere but it’s easily overcome. 73 from Clive G8POC
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 19:52, Michael.2E0IHW via Groups.Io <blumu=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote: Many we are who face this dilemma.
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