Hello Alan,

Friday, September 20, 2019

Is the IP address that WSJT-X etcetera sends spots to hard coded or
could someone set up a different map server and a user of WSJT-X (or
at least one capable of compiling form the source code), could assign
an IP address for that one?

Seems little point in someone setting up an alternative server that
still takes data from the overloaded original, that probably just
compounds the issue... But convincing a majority of users to migrate
to a new server could be fraught, what would probably needed would be
a referendum, they work uncontentiously and well ;)


Best regards,
Chris 2E0ILY mailto:chris@...


>> http://wsprnet.org/drupal/node/2968#new

AG> Andy,

AG> A rather old post, probably a couple of updates since then, as people
AG> say, another is due.

yet it's being

made out that I'm exaggerating my experiences, really ?

AG> I've just come off WSPRnet, it was not particularly slow, Google Street
AG> View went slower when I used it after.
AG> Yes, it does seize up at times but personally I think people do
AG> exaggerate when they use "never" or words to that effect.

AG> 73 Alan G4ZFQ

AG>



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Best regards, Chris Wilson (2E0ILY)

I know that you asked the question to Alan but I've just looked.

Appears hard coded to wsprnet.org, with an unchecked option by default to pskreporter.info

It does beg the question, why is it being made so hard to export to a third party ?
Is there an active desire to restrict data diversity ?
I'm suspicious. Why can't it be hard coded for wsprnet with an option to specfiy ANY other option in addition ?

As for pskreporter.
Well see attached screen shot (click to enlarge).
I've only been transmitting data for 7 years 24/7, and no spots on it ?
What is this crap ?

73 de Andy

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 07:36 AM, Andy Brilleaux wrote:

As for pskreporter.
Well see attached screen shot (click to enlarge).
I've only been transmitting data for 7 years 24/7, and no spots on it ?
What is this crap ?

73 de Andy

And you definitely have the "enable psk reporting" box checked on the "reporting" tab in wsjt-x?

Not that I can speak to that from personal experience.. :)

Is the IP address that WSJT-X etcetera sends spots to hard coded or
could someone set up a different map server and a user of WSJT-X (or
at least one capable of compiling form the source code), could assign
an IP address for that one?

Chris

I do not know the technical side of it all but I think many users will want it on, at least what appears to be, the same single server.
Many use the enormous database for various sorts of analysis.
I think you are suggesting a sort of offshoot where a few who bother will gather leaving the greater majority waiting for a WSPRnet upgrade? If so I'm not sure that would satisfy anyone.

Andy,

As for pskreporter.

Does this work from WSPRnet? Looks like it depends on independent reporters, maybe shows that WSPR users see no point in that method.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

Hello Alan,

Friday, September 20, 2019

No, I was musing as to whether a commercial operation with adequate
server capability, but a small annual fee could easily see users
change settings to enable uploading spots to *THEIR* server. As to
whether most / many would pay for a stable server is a moot point....
Amateur radio and being a a bit, err, "careful" seem to go hand in
hand for many ;)


Best regards,
Chris 2E0ILY mailto:chris@...

Is the IP address that WSJT-X etcetera sends spots to hard coded or
could someone set up a different map server and a user of WSJT-X (or
at least one capable of compiling form the source code), could assign
an IP address for that one?

AG> Chris

AG> I do not know the technical side of it all but I think many users will
AG> want it on, at least what appears to be, the same single server.
AG> Many use the enormous database for various sorts of analysis.
AG> I think you are suggesting a sort of offshoot where a few who bother
AG> will gather leaving the greater majority waiting for a WSPRnet upgrade?
AG> If so I'm not sure that would satisfy anyone.

AG> Andy,
>>As for pskreporter.
AG> Does this work from WSPRnet? Looks like it depends on independent
AG> reporters, maybe shows that WSPR users see no point in that method.

AG> 73 Alan G4ZFQ


AG>



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Best regards, Chris Wilson (2E0ILY)

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 02:53 PM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:

Does this work from WSPRnet? Looks like it depends on independent reporters, maybe shows that WSPR users see no point in that method.

The latest WSJT-X has a set up window.

There's a check box that you need to check to allow WSJT-X to upload spots to pskreporter in addition to wsprnet.org
but the problem is that it's left UN-checked by DEFAULT.

So no one bothers, and 99.99999999% of spots just end up going to wsprnet.org :-(

Leaving out a user definable fork is unexcusable.

It leaves the whole project still relying upon one single point of collection and display.

I still smell a rat.

73 de Andy

Perhaps the university people want Joe and his team to do the work they are paid for and not play with ham radio stuff. I think they are doing a brilliant job and giving the amateur fraternity an excellent service for free. I wonder how many users of the software that has been made available have taken the bother to send an email to thank them.

could easily see users
change settings to enable uploading spots to *THEIR* server.

Chris,

Easy? Andy has had one reply to his WSPRnet Forum post (Me!) You try telling all users.
To make it worth while just about everybody would have to change. If I transmit WSPR I do not want reports from a select few but EVERYBODY.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

I wonder how many users of the software that has been made available have taken the bother to send an email to thank them.

Geoff,

Er, um, I may have but if I did it was when I was pointing out an error or asking for something to be altered...

73 Alan G4ZFQ

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:18 PM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:

 If I transmit WSPR I do not want reports from a select few but EVERYBODY.

Absolutely !
I agree entirely, honest.
It's utterly pointless having reports sent willy nilly.
You would end up having to check multiple sources to see if you were received by someone, and that would be plain daft.

The point is that the option of being able to specify a backup in *addition* to a "hard coded" server like wsprnet.org either shows -

- complete ignorance by the software developers

or

- a determination to keep one central point for data

Both stink.

73 de Andy

It's a good map but that site takes real-time data from WSPRnet just as the default map does.
The site has a comment "Annoying delays accessing the database are caused by lockups at WSPRnet.org"

73 Alan G4ZFQ

I understand that WSPRNET is the origin of why it is so slow or non working most of the time.
However,I like that link much better - http://wspr.vk7jj.com/...sadly it depends on the database and will also NOT work.
Was easier to give up on WSPR altogether...I see no point in burning my radio away 24/7 if I can not get the results.
Radios are not cheap neither is the work and time setting up antennas and keeping them maintained especially in regions that experience harsh winters.
No one wants to repair antennas in the winter months when the mode you use is a one sided effort :(
Jim,N2NXZ

I see no point in burning my radio away 24/7 if I can not get the results.

Jim,

If you do not need instant gratification there are sites that show your performance up to to and including the previous day. KB9AMG and PE1ITR just take one big download each day, there are probably others.
I must find it easier than some, I look at WSPRnet several times a day, sometimes it is reasonably quick, sometimes slow and occasionally seems unobtainable. Usually recovers if I look later.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:38 PM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:

I look at WSPRnet several times a day,

A good idea.
I don't leave my browser sitting on it for long periods at a time, and wanting updates every two minutes.
Maybe the problem is those who do  leave the browser window open.
Perhaps there should be a 30 min time out or similar for auto updates ?

73 de Andy

Hello Alan,

Monday, September 23, 2019

Age has given me patience but I do admit to being irked when I find
my spots of others have failed to upload because the server has timed
out. I try and manually upload them, particularly interesting ones, but
it's a PITA :)


Best regards,
Chris 2E0ILY mailto:chris@...

I see no point in burning my radio away 24/7 if I can not get the results.

AG> Jim,

AG> If you do not need instant gratification there are sites that show your
AG> performance up to to and including the previous day. KB9AMG and PE1ITR
AG> just take one big download each day, there are probably others.
AG> I must find it easier than some, I look at WSPRnet several times a day,
AG> sometimes it is reasonably quick, sometimes slow and occasionally seems
AG> unobtainable. Usually recovers if I look later.

AG> 73 Alan G4ZFQ

AG>



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Best regards, Chris Wilson (2E0ILY)

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:44 PM, Andy Brilleaux wrote:

Maybe the problem is those who do  leave the browser window open.
Perhaps there should be a 30 min time out or similar for auto updates

On the other hand, none of us actually know where the problem lies,making it harder to suggest anything :-(

73 de Andy

Alan,
I was a 24/7 receiving station for WSPR which was far more important than TX only...without receiving stations round the clock it makes it all a waste of time.
But when I have time to check daily spots,seems EVERY TIME I go and check progress the site hangs...no matter what time of day it hangs.Maybe I have bad luck and check only when it is down.But to be honest considering my luck with lottery tickets...not likely this was the case but a reality the site is down more than not.Also...since I was highly involved with WSPR balloon tracking,WSPRNET was a very important part of this hobby as the database was 100% dependent to gather telemetry.There has been issues where obtaining the database spots were so slow or obsolete the telemetry would be missing for long periods of time.Gathering telemetry spots are based on time slots in REAL time and recently feel this is why the spreadsheets are developing fatal errors.They scan the database based on REAL TIME but when WSPRNET hangs,the sheet will update a real time slot but much too late an throw off the script causing errors.Basically,if left unattended,you can return home after 10hours only to find NOTHING but an empty sheet with a error message.I discovered this one day while sitting at the computer and watching the script auto search and also hang.It became very clear that WSPRNET was hanging therefore causing my script to get lost and not getting the telemetry in proper order. This has become an even worse issue since we are testing multiple flights using single channel which is only possible using TIME SLOTS. Without a reliable database this has been a major setback in regard to making improvements.There is no blame here as mentioned many times IT IS FREE ! Although I do not understand why there are no alternate servers doing the same thing as I have heard for several years now MANY people offering help with this situation.Having multiple servers as a backup seems like a good idea if there are willing people to do this.But I can understand that my issues are in a tiny group and expect no changes just for this alone.However...it does hamper forward thinking and expansions which seems unfortunate.
Jim,N2NXZ

A better example will be like the APRS system...which in my opinion works very well and to be honest...never remembered it being slow or down often.
APRS is a very busy mode and not sure how they manage it to run so smoothly. Matter of fact...software as old as UI-VIEW32 has been using a multiple server option to transfer telemetry world wide.You get to choose the servers that work best for your location.In my opinion...this would be a great method for WSPRNET.You can choose the server that works best for YOUR location and swap them out as needed.Maybe even have an automode to choose the fastest connection like you would find in software like the old PEER to PEER NETWORKS.Also a very old method that seemed to work reliably.
Again...this is just a guy talking not a guy that knows how to create software...but I have a feeling there are plenty of others out there itching to get the OK !!
Jim

I'm not sure I'd agree with the argument that so long as a spot is recording then there's nothing to worry about.
It's a fat lot of good to me  not having access to a spot several hours later when I'm trying to check for a path in 
near real time to make a QSO on the HF bands or check two antennas on a windy hilltop.

Hi Andy,
but do you find wsprnet actually gives you this ‘heads up’ of paths? I found, particularly on 4m, zero spots on wspr, switch to FT8, same power, same antenna, I get DX never achieved on wspr, nor indicated.
73 Ken G4apb