Polyphase board
Mike Hadley
Has anyone changed resistor values on this board to increase the bandwidth for better ssb recovery?
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ajparent1/kb1gmx
Have to ask. How much bandwidth do you need?
Nearly 3000hz is wider than most filters used in SSB transmitters. Most of mine are 2.1 and 2.4Khz and 2.8khz is considered wide. Also despite your RX band width width the amount of transmitted information is far more limited and you will not hear "more" other than greater adjacent frequency interference that is within your pass-band. However you may need to alter C3-C6 to a lower value. Try 33nF or 10nF Reason for this is the detectors are low pass in nature and those capacitors are part of that. I'd go on line and find a calc or spreadsheet for recalculating the values before going there. High order RC filters tend to have a lot of interaction. If your using a computer to render audio from I&Q then the polyphase board is not needed. Allison ------------------------------- Please reply on list so we can share. No private email, it goes to a bit bucket due address harvesting |
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Mike Hadley
Thanks for that Alison. The bandwith of the board (as supplied) tops at 1800Hz, Hans suggests that ssb should be okay but am I wrong in thinking 2400 would sound much different?
I would be using both methods of reception, I Q into my pc and polyphase when mobile/portable.
Not sure if any other polyphase users have carried out mods to this board. Guess I'll wait until its fully assembled and use the monitors either side of my head, hi.
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ajparent1/kb1gmx
1800hz, no idea where you get that.
See the plots on the stor page http://qrp-labs.com/polyphase.html It mentions to 1800 hz for things like WSPR and other digital modes but the board does as shown. 1800hz for SSB would be on the narrow side. But thats not the intended application other than incidental. Tweaking the Polyphase alone likely will not get you what you want as its mostly GIGO. The yabut is the 4 caps I mentioned last time and that also colors the bandwidth as will the output transformers. So the QDS detector caps C3-6 must be smaller. Also the bandwidth of the 600ohm transformer will be only as specified if loaded to 600 ohms, even then there will be significant roll off under 300hz and likely the high side too. They are designed to old school hard-copper telephone bandwidth (not Iphone) is 200hz at the low end is maybe about it. Allison ------------------------------- Please reply on list so we can share. No private email, it goes to a bit bucket due address harvesting |
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Hans Summers
Hi all Attachments show measurements I performed here during development of these kits. "response.gif" and "unwanted.gif" show USB and LSB (unwanted) audio response of the receiver module and polyphase module. It isn't bad for SSB. These are in the manual. "transformer.gif" shows my measurements of the 600:600-ohm isolation transformers. They were better than I had expected. Even down at 100Hz and up above 10kHz. 73 Hans G0UPL On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 01:22 ajparent1/KB1GMX <kb1gmx@...> wrote: 1800hz, no idea where you get that. |
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FWIW, I've connected the output of my polyphase board to amplified computer speakers and listened to some pleasant sounding SSB as long as the band isn't crowded. 73 Mike N0QBH |
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Mike Hadley
Maybe I've jumped the gun a bit. This will be my first experience with polyphase demodulation as I am so used to listening through 2.5 and 3.0 Khz 8 pole crystal filters. These have been difficult to design and implement in the past so you can understand my thoughts on a seemingly narrow bandwidth. When my rx is complete I will post my findings, no doubt I will be pleasantly surprised. Mike G4JXX Sent from my Xperia™ by Sony smartphone |
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ajparent1/kb1gmx
Mike,
This will be an experience for you. After decades of crystal filter IO/Phasing radios are like a whole level of less distortion. Less distortion, less group delay, it sounds much cleaner when a bunch of station in the pass band. Allison ------------------------------- Please reply on list so we can share. No private email, it goes to a bit bucket due address harvesting |
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