Is wsprnet falling to pieces again ?


 

Really dreadful in the last few months.
Long response times and failed connections.
At one point this would be a xmas holidays event (peak time).
Now is any time.

73 de Andy


Alan <g8lco1@...>
 

It works fine in the mornings as do the 3rd party extensions in the UK. I complained about slow operation a short while back, seems something good happened. What do you want for free?

 

73

Alan

G8LCO

 

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From: Andy Brilleaux via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 September 2019 07:02 PM
To: QRPLabs@groups.io
Subject: [QRPLabs] Is wsprnet falling to pieces again ?

 

Really dreadful in the last few months.
Long response times and failed connections.
At one point this would be a xmas holidays event (peak time).
Now is any time.

73 de Andy

 


geoff M0ORE
 

No problem in England at any time of day, Google map not registered is a distraction but does not stop function.

On 18/09/2019 19:06, Alan wrote:

It works fine in the mornings as do the 3rd party extensions in the UK. I complained about slow operation a short while back, seems something good happened. What do you want for free?

 

73

Alan

G8LCO

 

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From: Andy Brilleaux via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 September 2019 07:02 PM
To: QRPLabs@groups.io
Subject: [QRPLabs] Is wsprnet falling to pieces again ?

 

Really dreadful in the last few months.
Long response times and failed connections.
At one point this would be a xmas holidays event (peak time).
Now is any time.

73 de Andy

 


Roger Hill
 

I disagree. It is pretty bad here near Leeds most times of the day.
Roger
G3YTN


On 18 September 2019 19:18:59 BST, "geoff M0ORE via Groups.Io" <m0ore@...> wrote:

No problem in England at any time of day, Google map not registered is a distraction but does not stop function.

On 18/09/2019 19:06, Alan wrote:

It works fine in the mornings as do the 3rd party extensions in the UK. I complained about slow operation a short while back, seems something good happened. What do you want for free?

 

73

Alan

G8LCO

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andy Brilleaux via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 September 2019 07:02 PM
To: QRPLabs@groups.io
Subject: [QRPLabs] Is wsprnet falling to pieces again ?

 

Really dreadful in the last few months.
Long response times and failed connections.
At one point this would be a xmas holidays event (peak time).
Now is any time.

73 de Andy

 


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Graham, VE3GTC
 

Indeed.  Some times of the day it is relatively quite quick and responsive and at other times very slow or times out.

Day time seems to be better than mid to late evening (local North America Eastern Time) - perhaps similar in other areas?

Sometimes it seems if try to connect or refresh a connection at an odd minute  i.e. 01, 03, 05, 07, 09, 11 ... etc the connection seems to be better than when done much closer to even minute. We know that WSJT-x and other programs do their upload after the last WSPR frame which ends just before the even minute.  Too bad the application does not permit selection of an "off" upload time or better has the inbuilt smarts to upload at some random time based on location or some such thing.  Can you just imagine the network load of 10,000 (more or less) WSJT-X applications trying to upload to the server, what a traffic jam that would be!

Google maps are something else again - Open Source Maps would be a better choice and there was some talk changing but doesn't appear to be any movement.

cheers, Graham ve3gtc


Chris Wilson
 

Hello Alan,

 Wednesday, September 18, 2019

 I have yet to enjoy a really good free lunch, such is life. One day someone will see a possibility of making a few quid out of this very popular and growing (seemingly exponentially), medium. Until such a time we need to enjoy our  less than perfect freebie  ;) I agree it can be a pain with the need for the keen to manually upload spots at a quiet time. 


Best regards,
 Chris    2E0ILY       
mailto:chris@...



It works fine in the mornings as do the 3rd party extensions in the UK. I complained about slow operation a short while back, seems something good happened. What do you want for free?
 
73
Alan
G8LCO
 
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From: Andy Brilleaux via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 September 2019 07:02 PM
To: 
QRPLabs@groups.io
Subject: [QRPLabs] Is wsprnet falling to pieces again ?
 
Really dreadful in the last few months.
Long response times and failed connections.
At one point this would be a xmas holidays event (peak time).
Now is any time.

73 de Andy 
 

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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Alan wrote:
It works fine in the mornings as do the 3rd party extensions in the UK. I complained about slow operation a short while back, seems something good happened
It was only 24 hours ago that you observed the the same problems as the rest of us..shall I quote your own posts
on http://wsprnet.org/drupal/node/2968 ;-)

WSPR is a GREAT mode, it is a hobby and an interest in itself. But we do need the server to be fully functional. It seems that the server is fully occupied in the late hours of the day. From the UK it is virtually impossible to get into WSPRnet late afternoon until the next day. Perhaps it is a victim of it's own success, 1 to 1.6 million spots per day is a lot. And that at a time when propagation is very much poorer than it will be in the next few years when the Sunspot count increases from zero!

It seems that if WSPRnet is to continue that some changes need to happen. I would like to suggest that some mitigation measures could help:-

Use a service such as dropbox to archive the very large files. (to save very long downlads}

Do a daily summary file for dropbox.

Ask people to limit their transmissions to say a maximum of 4 per hour ( do you really need to transmit more than that ?)

Have a few alternate access points for Europe and Oceania ( as it does not appear possible to increase the ports into the server)

Previously people have offered to pay money to subscribe, (although that could add a layer of complexity) with current software it would not seem that difficult to take card payments on an automated service.

Alan G8LCO


and..

P S to previous post...

Before noon UTC it took 5 tries to submit a post ....

Alan G8LCO


No different to what the rest of us have observed.
Not moaning, just observing.

73 de Andy


M0RON
 

Personally I'd be quite happy to pay an annual fee if wsprnet was to migrate to better servers and function quicker. 
I and others near me have loading issues, on my smartphone it's very hit and miss. That said early morning it's fine. 
Perhaps this is a discussion for the wsprnet forum. 
Andy
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The universe is made up of Protons, Neutrons, Electrons but contains only one M0RON.


Alan G4ZFQ
 

Perhaps this is a discussion for the wsprnet forum.
Andy,

Well that's what I've been thinking, why discuss it here?
Anyone who uses WSPR should know this has been discussed ad infinitum (well, not quite:-) on WSPRnet and in the Forum/Chat.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 08:44 AM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:
Anyone who uses WSPR should know this has been discussed ad infinitum (well, not quite:-) on WSPRnet and in the Forum/Chat.
No one reads the forum and emails bounce.
Admins don't often know there IS a problem.
Use the flood technique, publicise and quite often the message filters through.
As the other Alan says, it's a free service, can't complain, only observe.

73 de Andy


Alan G4ZFQ
 

No one reads the forum and emails bounce.
Admins don't often know there IS a problem.
Andy,

I guess you do not try?
I read it regularly, although there is little activity in either of the three ways people can post on WSPRnet. Probably the chap that runs it does not want direct email.
If you did read then you would know the answer to all the questions asked here.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 09:29 AM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:
I guess you do not try?

To send admin email, yeah always tried that, always bounces.

Probably the chap that runs it does not want direct email.
Why is there an admin email address at the bottom of the wsprnet.org page ?

The forum, read it for years.
Admin barely read it, if at all.
Even seen posts FROM admin months later saying they idly read the forum and just found out about issues.
Admission that they don't read them unless really bored.
As I said, not complaining, just observing ;-)

73 de Andy


 

Alan ZFQ.

One more bit of proof about the forums, how long did it take for them to make list changes regarding the 80m frequency change, a year ?
I know you had to keep pestering them to get altered on the top left hand corner.

Anyway, just to back up what I said earlier, here's a screen grab of the wsprnet.org site, with an email link to contact admin, the one that
always bounces ;-)



I stress again, not moaning,just observing.

73 de Andy


Alan <g8lco1@...>
 

I don’t see anything wrong with discussing WSPR experiences on this group especially when we have seen very  many OT postings here. WSPR is very much a QRP mode and one that QRPLabs  makes kits for. On the contrary, the header implies that WSPR is in a much worse state than is the case, this miss-information may deter others from a unique and valuable mode.  It is the ability to access the server at any time that is the issue not Spot recording which is the critical function.

 

As said, the third party access works very well and -at present- is readily available.

 

I noticed a decline in server access and posted accordingly. I wish more people would do this, if very few people comment then it does not look like an international issue but  a small localised one- not the same significance.

 

Since commenting  I have seen an improvement. By the way Andy my post was made  on September the 9th NOT the 19th. If you want to quote others get the date right because it changes the context.

 

 

 

73

Alan

G8LCO

 

 

 

 

 

 


Alan G4ZFQ
 

I don’t see anything wrong with discussing WSPR experiences on this group
Alan,
OK, it just seemed to get into a rut regarding the server performance.
I said the answer is on WSPRnet and known to anyone that reads regularly.
Over many years it has been a source of dissatisfaction to many impatient users.
I do not understand Andy's remarks about the "Admin". He seems to be a busy person that gets round to changes/upgrades in the few instances he is able. As Andy observed minor changes to the web pages is low priority. The internet is full of outdated pages.
What has never been clear is who owns the server and whether there are limitations. The many offers of help/funding have been declined, possibly not appropriate although some upgrades have been made.
Yes, it gets slow, goes off line sometimes but it is a hobby.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


James Zelazny jr
 

I solved that problem a long time ago..stopped using WSPR :) Every time I try the site it never loads.
http://wspr.vk7jj.com/
Jim


Alan G4ZFQ
 

I solved that problem a long time ago..stopped using WSPR :) Every time I try the site it never loads.
http://wspr.vk7jj.com/
Jim,

It's a good map but that site takes real-time data from WSPRnet just as the default map does.
The site has a comment "Annoying delays accessing the database are caused by lockups at WSPRnet.org"

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

Morning all !

It is the ability to access the server at any time that is the issue not Spot recording which is the critical function.
Evidence says otherwise, http://wsprnet.org/drupal/node/2968#new

VK7JJ and ON5KQ complaining that uploading spots is failing in recent times.
Those two messages sandwich a post from G8LCO who mentions that it took five attempts to send forum message ;-)
All of which are typical of the I'm experiencing, and yet it's being made out that I'm exaggerating my experiences, really ?

I'm not sure I'd agree with the argument that so long as a spot is recording then there's nothing to worry about.
It's a fat lot of good to me  not having access to a spot several hours later when I'm trying to check for a path in
near real time to make a QSO on the HF bands or check two antennas on a windy hilltop.

I'd have grown a beard waiting for the web page to load up.

 my post was made  on September the 9th NOT the 19th. If you want to quote others get the date right because it changes the context.

Apologies, my mistake, the 19th being yesterdays date and all that..

The other Alan..

What has never been clear is who owns the server and whether there are limitations.

This is a useful point to make. By nature, we'd all prefer to support an "official" site project, and not cause interference or possibly
dilute the WSPR project's effectiveness. And knowing a bit about how it's run, who owns it etc would assist those who want to offer
help, to offer something appropriate.

Can't even do a whois check now because of all this GDPR crap.
The truth is we know as much about wsprnet as we would a dodgy site on the "dark web" :-)


73 de Andy


Alan G4ZFQ
 

http://wsprnet.org/drupal/node/2968#new
Andy,

A rather old post, probably a couple of updates since then, as people say, another is due.

yet it's being
made out that I'm exaggerating my experiences, really ?
I've just come off WSPRnet, it was not particularly slow, Google Street View went slower when I used it after.
Yes, it does seize up at times but personally I think people do exaggerate when they use "never" or words to that effect.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:
I've just come off WSPRnet, it was not particularly slow,
It's nice and whizzy today ;-)

BTW, done a bit of digging, there are two domains at that server, wsprnet.org and w1bw.us that both return the same wsprnet.org front page.
I presume that one is probably the main server address and there's a DNS redirect.
Which address is primary or secondary I don't know.

Created on 2008-04-03 <------------approx date wsprnet started
Expires on 2020-04-03

73 de Andy