Multi band QCX plus Party time...


Nigel ZS6RN
 

Hello again from ZS land :-)

Following on from my posting yesterday in reply to Bill re: "A somewhat more complete description of my (ab)use of the QCX-17 and QCX-80 transceivers, today I became aware of (and interested in) the QCX qso party idea that started at the beginning of the year and on visiting the 3830scores site (first time, I have as yet to ever enter a contest so all new to me) I was reminded that the WARC bands are contest free.  So in order to participate (as mentioned, I have never in my 50+ years of being licensed taken part in a 'contest') using my QCX 30, I will need to configure for say 40M so the idea of a multi band QCX has merit, at least for me.

Reviewing the QCX schematic I can understand the need for appropriate band pass filter on transmit but not sure of how broad the design of the receive band pass filter is? Seems Bill has no problem(s) regarding sensitivity / selectivity on 'out of original band' working but maybe there are tweaks required?  So aside from experimenting, does anyone have advice or comment regarding what to expect on receive if I for example build the QCX 30 according to specification (specifically number of winding's on T1) and then set to operate on say 40M or 20M?

One thought I have considered would be to make the primary and secondary 3 of T1 switchable, perhaps using a tapped arrangement based on specifications for the 20 / 30 / 40 m bands (together with corresponding change to the output band pass filter arrangement) but I lack the design knowledge to know (hence option of experimenting but fear I would mess up the QCX pcb in the process!) if secondary 1 and 2 (the input to the quadrature detector) could remain 'as is' i.e. 30T?  It is the same number of winding's as 20M but 8 short for 40M. 

Can anyone please advise?  Many thanks in advance.

vy 73 Nigel

ZS6RN ex G8DEV


Richard Tomlinson G4TGJ
 

There are 3 parts of the QCX that are band specific: input tuned circuit, output low pas filter and class E amplifier.

I also have a 30m QCX. We should have QCX activity that isn't a contest so that we aren't left out.
--
73
Richard
G4TGJ


John Kirby
 

 Niger,

Of course T1 is prime but not as critical as one thinks :>)

This pcb with 30m T1 is a four band xcvr

Parallel C1
and
Outboard LPF
and
Bypass onboard audio filter
and
Add variable (tunable) audio filter

This HB loop es set up 'WHISPERED' to Antarctic, Auz es NZ
before XYL said "%$flkx 345 , ## ■ x" rough xlation "get it OUT here!!!

72 73
John
N3AAZ
FM19


n4qa at_hotmail.com
 

Hey there, Nigel.
Not having a stock QCX-30, I can't speak to its performance on other bands.
But, as for my stock QCX-17, I have enjoyed more QSOs with it on 30m than on any other band...would love to QSO ZS6RN on 30m !
I was informed yesterday by Alan, G1FXB of the 6-band QCX rig by Andreas, DM5MU, found near the bottom of the page at:
https://www.qrp-labs.com/qcx/qcxgallery.html 
Very interesting rig !
72 / 73,
Bill, N4QA


John Kirby
 


OOPS image ?
N3AAZ
SETUP


n4qa at_hotmail.com
 

Hey, John, N3AAZ,
Many thanks for the hint about the "variable (tunable)" audio filter.
I've been wanting to improve on my 7-band QCX rig's performance while receiving, for example, CHU on USB on its three freqs, as well as AM SWBC, JS8, FT8 etc on all my QCX-17's freqs !
72 / 73,
Bill, N4QA


John Kirby
 

N3AAZ


John Kirby
 

RE T1 and pcb de solder / re solder

As we all know T1 is prime RX ... If u can't hear-em can't QSO-EM

Solved my problem

N3AAZ 


jjpurdum
 

Somebody is a bachelor or has a really understanding XYL.

Jack, W8TEE

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 7:31:46 AM EDT, John Kirby <n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote:


N3AAZ


John Kirby
 

 Jack,
 HI HI only been my XYL since 1964,
me a ham since 1956 dit dit


Hans BPFs (image) are a delight

L4 es C30 tweeking can be fun too but,   you will need three meters and,   a better understanding of class E efficency than I could muster ( retired 1997)

N3AAZ


jjpurdum
 

Me: ham since 1954, retired 2009, no XYL even with a "no-radio-stuff" living room. Musta made a wrong turn somewhere...   :>)

Jack, W8TEE

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 6:13:44 AM PDT, John Kirby <n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote:


 Jack,
 HI HI only been my XYL since 1964,
me a ham since 1956 dit dit


Hans BPFs (image) are a delight

L4 es C30 tweeking can be fun too but,   you will need three meters and,   a better understanding of class E efficency than I could muster ( retired 1997)

N3AAZ


Nick Norman
 

On 16/04/2019 14:13, John Kirby wrote:
Jack,
 HI HI only been my XYL since 1964,
me a ham since 1956 dit dit

Hans BPFs (image) are a delight
John,

That dummy load - where did the design come from? I presume the leds
give a rough indication of power?

I'd be interested in the schematic &/or source.

Regards

Nick
M0HGU

--
'People need vampires,' she [Granny] said. 'They helps 'em remember what
stakes and garlic are for.'
(Carpe Jugulum)
14:50:01 up 2:09, 9 users, load average: 0.65, 1.24, 1.44


--
73 Nick M0HGU


John Kirby
 

 Nick,

That LED dummy load is kit I built 10 or more years back and have long since lost the manual.

The pcb is marked such...

XTAL SET SOCIETY
10W SMART DUMMY LOAD
www.midnightscience.com

My web search found 'dot net' and 'dot com'
and this...
 http://www.njqrp.club/Rainbow/rb_schem.html
... but no help with my kit.

Maybe you will have more luck other than gQQgle

The high Watt resistors (image) are 300 Ohm each

Based on the low Watt resistors;
one set of 4 (1000 Ohm) and
second set of 4 ( 100 k Ohm)

 l   >auusme<    four of the diodes are zener ...
      and maybe all different voltage
     >else<  how would one 'calibrate'  1W, 2W, 5W 10W
     with any degree of accuracy?
     
and other 4 diodes maybe something like 1n 4148 or 914

I also >assume<  LEDs  are  'low'  current type

The rf ground plane (second image) prevents reverse engineering a schematic.

72 73
John
N3ÀAZ


jjpurdum
 

I'm working on a Mini Dummy Load, which has the same OLED display as the Nov, 2018, QST dummy load (DL):


but instead of the resistor network and quart can of mineral oil, which makes it less desirable for SOTA, IOTA, etc. work, we're using one of these:

While this says its rated at 150W, it's about the size of the first joint of your little finger and it will NOT dissipate 150W without a lot of help. This picture shows the (4") heat sink

we're adding to the back of the DL case. We tested one at 100W for about 45 seconds only to see the top half travel at the speed of light past our ears! Seriously, it literally past us before the sound got to us! We feel very safe rating it at 35W with the heat sink. It's small enough to fit in your shirt pocket, but still let you tune up politely on the air. The OLED display is driven by a Nano using essentially the same code and circuitry as the article. I have a couple of 250W units coming and will see what they can stand.

Jack, W8TEE




On Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 9:08:44 AM EDT, John Kirby <n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote:


 Nick,

That LED dummy load is kit I built 10 or more years back and have long since lost the manual.

The pcb is marked such...

XTAL SET SOCIETY
10W SMART DUMMY LOAD
www.midnightscience.com

My web search found 'dot net' and 'dot com'
and this...
 http://www.njqrp.club/Rainbow/rb_schem.html
... but no help with my kit.

Maybe you will have more luck other than gQQgle

The high Watt resistors (image) are 300 Ohm each

Based on the low Watt resistors;
one set of 4 (1000 Ohm) and
second set of 4 ( 100 k Ohm)

 l   >auusme<    four of the diodes are zener ...
      and maybe all different voltage
     >else<  how would one 'calibrate'  1W, 2W, 5W 10W
     with any degree of accuracy?
     
and other 4 diodes maybe something like 1n 4148 or 914

I also >assume<  LEDs  are  'low'  current type

The rf ground plane (second image) prevents reverse engineering a schematic.

72 73
John
N3ÀAZ


n4qa at_hotmail.com
 

Hey John,
There is always that handy multi-meter for helping with reverse engineering efforts :0)

72 / 73,
Bill, N4QA


John Kirby
 

 
Nigel,

Please l apologizes
for I wander off topic

72 73
John
N3AAZ


Roy Appleton
 

The only thing I found on the 10W smart dummy load.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 8:08 AM John Kirby <n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote:
 Nick,

That LED dummy load is kit I built 10 or more years back and have long since lost the manual.

The pcb is marked such...

XTAL SET SOCIETY
10W SMART DUMMY LOAD
www.midnightscience.com

My web search found 'dot net' and 'dot com'
and this...
 http://www.njqrp.club/Rainbow/rb_schem.html
... but no help with my kit.

Maybe you will have more luck other than gQQgle

The high Watt resistors (image) are 300 Ohm each

Based on the low Watt resistors;
one set of 4 (1000 Ohm) and
second set of 4 ( 100 k Ohm)

 l   >auusme<    four of the diodes are zener ...
      and maybe all different voltage
     >else<  how would one 'calibrate'  1W, 2W, 5W 10W
     with any degree of accuracy?
     
and other 4 diodes maybe something like 1n 4148 or 914

I also >assume<  LEDs  are  'low'  current type

The rf ground plane (second image) prevents reverse engineering a schematic.

72 73
John
N3ÀAZ


Nigel ZS6RN
 

Thank you all for the feedback received (direct and via forum), after review of the schematic plus workings of a class E amplifier and applied 'thinking', the route I will follow IF proceeding to make QCX multiband, will be to construct dedicated receive, common band pass (L1, L2 and L3) and P.A. resonant circuit modules that are switched into circuit as required.  Have located a suitable mechanical switch from my VERY old 'junk collection' that will be ideal for the job (miniature 8p 4w rotary from Japan).

Once project completed, be it 'standard' or 'modified', I will post a picture or two together with details.

vy 73

Nigel ZS6RN ex G8DEV


Steve in Okinawa
 

I've used a few of those 150 watt terminations on various heatsinks. The power rating is no joke-- on a large fan-cooled cpu heatsink they will dissipate 149.9 watts all day long. At 150.1 they explode. Well, that's how it seemed anyway...... I've gone over to the 250 watt units for my small dummy loads now. JS6TMW 


jjpurdum
 

...on a large fan-cooled cpu heatsink...

That's the key!

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 10:24:37 AM EDT, Steve in Okinawa <sfab43@...> wrote:


I've used a few of those 150 watt terminations on various heatsinks. The power rating is no joke-- on a large fan-cooled cpu heatsink they will dissipate 149.9 watts all day long. At 150.1 they explode. Well, that's how it seemed anyway...... I've gone over to the 250 watt units for my small dummy loads now. JS6TMW