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Re: Balloon breaking previous records U3B-25

Casey Halverson
 

Grant,

Thank you for the kind words :) We have been doing a lot of experimentation with high powered LoRa lately, which we have been writing a few blog posts about. Also, we have a tiny version of the HamShield which should make the HAB and cubesat people happier (the mini will be in a couple of satellites soon). I am sure by next year, I might have some good material for you folks at MDC. I am back east now (Cape May, NJ), but frequently travel back to Seattle for family. 

I mainly ask these questions, not to play cop, but because I really want to put some of my lighter stuff up in a balloon without getting in trouble. I am also fascinated (and a little bit jealous) over the cost, size and durations of these ballon launches on this list. Our local airspace is extremely dead on situated on the Atlantic ocean, other than aircraft directly above at cruise. I figured that it wouldn't be much of a hazard for long.

Thanks for the references on the list, i'll go look those up. 

Thanks,
Casey


On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 6:50 PM G Hopper <kb7wsd@...> wrote:
Casey,

There have been a couple of discussions over the years regarding legal issues both here in the US and world wide here in the forum.  As a lawyer, a ham, and an experimenter, I tend to keep track of those discussions even when I don't participate because they come in handy both for personal interest as well as professionally (there's some amount of aviation overlap in my practice here in the shadow of Boeing.)  If you want to search the forum, you'll find several excellent discussions.

Among threads that touch on the topic(s) are "U3S10 launch fail" from May of 2017, with Joe WB9SB's post #14326 under the title "U3S10 launch fail & not being a killjoy" being a good summary that doesn't involve getting bulled by a lawyer :-)   "The Darkest Day of the Year coming(for Balloons)" is another one with much amusement contained within (beware of frozen chickens ;-) and "HF beacons for US launched balloons" is another long thread with information.  I note with some amusement that most all the discussions of this type seem to start around this time of year.  I shall add this one to my list!

As an aside, I was discussing you (well you and your hamshield) at the MDC Saturday and when I took a moment to go to the site to confirm some data, I was blown away by the new items there.  Awesome work!  Might have to get you back to the MDC soon!

73,
Grant
KB7WSD

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:11 PM Casey Halverson <spaceneedle@...> wrote:
All this garbage talk aside, do you have a write up on the type of weather balloon you are using? As well as the regulations for small balloon launches? I take it that the components are small enough to where release mechanisms, radar reflectors, etc. are not required?  

Are you having a NOTAM posted or is it small enough to where that is not necessary?

I have been following this list for a while, but I haven't seen any specifics posted -- excuse me if I am asking obvious questions. 

Thanks,
Casey



On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:49 AM VE3KCL <airdry@...> wrote:
A U3B balloon has never managed to fly around the world twice before, and now -25 is on it's 3rd lap, over Egypt at the moment.
The greatest distance that has ever been logged on one of these flights is now at 82000km... quite good mileage for  90 cents worth of hydrogen.
It is quite possible that this flight longevity may be related to timing ... this time of the year has high winds and less high clouds, which ice up balloons.
... or more likely some very good luck.
http://www.qrp-labs.com/flights/u3b25.html
73 Dave 

Re: Powering that QCX: DC-DC Converters

Ray Worrall
 

Hi All,

I use one of the buck boost converters with current limiting adjustment for my QCX rigs.  This one


Is available on amazon.ca or amazon.com or can be ordered directly from Drok.

The built in meter allows monitoring input and output voltage as well as current draw.  I set the current limit to 500 MA and both radios work as they should.  I know the power rating for use with the QCX is over kill but also want to use it with solar cells sometime.  And use the DROK converter to charge batteries via the sun.

73 72

RayVE7AVG



From: HF via Groups.Io <incorridge@...>
To: QRPLabs@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] Powering that QCX: DC-DC Converters

Hi Dave,
I was concerned that using a DC-DC converter in my QCX power circuit might generate an EMI headache, so I built a setup to run my QCX on battery power.  I use 4 18650 Li-ion cells.  This is a rare situation where I have brand loyalty.  I have bought many unbranded 18650 cells on ebay and found that every time the actual capacity is far less than the seller claimed.  Then I tried batteries from Tenergy; they lived up to the capacity claims.  Other well-known brands are probably also good.  I bought holders for these so that I can remove them for individual charging.  The holders are mounted to one side of a piece of acrylic; the QCX mounts on the other side, making a compact setup.  I rigged a toggle switch and diode to drop 0.6 V to prevent the pack's output voltage from exceeding the QCX limit when the batteries are fully charged.  After several minutes, I close the switch, shorting the diode.  I calculate that one set of batteries will last me several hours; far more than I need for a day-hike SOTA session.  So, next time I might make a similar setup using smaller (14500) Li-ion cells to reduce mass.
Cheers
Halden VE7UTS


Re: Ultimate3S third party GPS module with no 1PPS #gps

KEN G4APB
 

Hi Bela,
the U3S requires a 5v TTL input for the GPS. 
RS232 would be inverted signals and the 12v would damage the uP input.
73 Ken g4apb 

Re: How to support coax in inverted-V setup?

Steve Raas - N2JDQ - FN13DD
 

I'm not sure that this silicone is that type you speak of, but if by chance it is, I'm not to worried as its not in contact with copper. Just some of the stainless & SO239. If it corrodes down the road, be it...ill build another,  it only took perhaps an hour.

Re: QCX QSO Party 25th March 2019 #qcx #qrp-dx

Gary Bernard
 

I tried during the same time slot as Brian and also was outdone by the signal on 7020. I called CQ several times with no response. If anyone heard me let me know.
Gary W0CKI


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian N <cl@...>
To: QRPLabs <QRPLabs@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2019 11:36 am
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] QCX QSO Party 25th March 2019 #qcx #qrp-dx

Tried the late (early) third time slot.  0300 - 0400 z.  LOTS of QRN last night  Some sigs but not clear enough to identify.  I like the time slot.  I'm in California.  Kept at it around the 7030 area for about half an hour.  Then got bombed by some powerhouse that splattered 7020 to 7040.  Not there for our party, obviously.  Wiped out all the QRP signals I was trying to discern.

Looking forward to the April party.

But I'm back on nearly every evening.  I try to catch the ARRL code practice at 7047.5  0200z.  Works good on my time schedule.

Brian N
N7BKV

Re: QCX QSO Party 25th March 2019 #qcx #qrp-dx

Brian N7BKV
 

Tried the late (early) third time slot.  0300 - 0400 z.  LOTS of QRN last night  Some sigs but not clear enough to identify.  I like the time slot.  I'm in California.  Kept at it around the 7030 area for about half an hour.  Then got bombed by some powerhouse that splattered 7020 to 7040.  Not there for our party, obviously.  Wiped out all the QRP signals I was trying to discern.

Looking forward to the April party.

But I'm back on nearly every evening.  I try to catch the ARRL code practice at 7047.5  0200z.  Works good on my time schedule.

Brian N
N7BKV

Re: Powering that QCX: DC-DC Converters

HF
 

Hi Dave,
I was concerned that using a DC-DC converter in my QCX power circuit might generate an EMI headache, so I built a setup to run my QCX on battery power.  I use 4 18650 Li-ion cells.  This is a rare situation where I have brand loyalty.  I have bought many unbranded 18650 cells on ebay and found that every time the actual capacity is far less than the seller claimed.  Then I tried batteries from Tenergy; they lived up to the capacity claims.  Other well-known brands are probably also good.  I bought holders for these so that I can remove them for individual charging.  The holders are mounted to one side of a piece of acrylic; the QCX mounts on the other side, making a compact setup.  I rigged a toggle switch and diode to drop 0.6 V to prevent the pack's output voltage from exceeding the QCX limit when the batteries are fully charged.  After several minutes, I close the switch, shorting the diode.  I calculate that one set of batteries will last me several hours; far more than I need for a day-hike SOTA session.  So, next time I might make a similar setup using smaller (14500) Li-ion cells to reduce mass.
Cheers
Halden VE7UTS

Re: Balloon breaking previous records U3B-25

 

At the risk of prolonging this thread, I will reluctantly add in my $0.02.

For those of you involved in pico-ballooning who are concerned about the generation of garbage, I offer up
the following suggestions.

Since it is not feasible to clean up the waste generated by your own balloon, then why not commit to cleaning up
someone else's waste?

If we agree that the biggest risk is to waterways since that is the likely place your balloon will end up then why not 
commit a day per year to volunteer with a group that does local waterway cleanups. I can guarantee that they won't turn
you away as they can never have too many volunteers. While you are at it, invite your friends and family to join in,
make a day of it, get some exercise and have fun. Get your grandchildren to help in your local community park spring cleanup and
if one doesn't exist then organize it.

I know that this isn't the same as not generating the waste in the first place, but it is way for you to leave things better off than they were.

Cheers

Michael VE3WMB 

Re: How to support coax in inverted-V setup?

Darryl J Kelly <kk5ib01@...>
 

Don't over think the center connection. The white wire is #12 solid and where it is soldered to the element wires I wrap some fine wire before soldering. I usually tape if the antenna will be outside and up for very long. Haven't had a failure in 25 years. Hope this is of interest.
Darryl, KK5IB

Re: Powering that QCX: DC-DC Converters

John Kirby
 

Caution not all 18650 cells are alike
And if discharge exceeds a certain Voltage
will not recharge as advertised.

John
N3AAZ

Re: IQ balance trimmer potentiometer issue #alignment

Alan G4ZFQ
 

Sorry to be a bearer of bad news, but NO 2 pins on R27 are joined.
Jim,

NO, I'm sorry, You are right I was looking at R17.... The other IQ balance adjuster, I did not check the numbers properly.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

Either there's a solder string on the bottom or maybe a wire clipping trapped under the pot. I suppose it could be a shorted pot, but the odds are awfully small.

Re: Ultimate3S third party GPS module with no 1PPS #gps

Alan G4ZFQ
 

Even more: would U3S work without 1PPS signal? Only only the freq calibration would fail?
Yes the PPS is just used for calibration.
The only thing about 3rd-party GPS is whether the NMEA stream is compatible. I had to disable one of the sentences on a u-Blox. With the default sentences I had to disable the checksum and got the wrong locator sometimes.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

Re: si5351a libraries or code snippets suitable for use with Arduino

Ron Stone
 

Graham,

Thanks much for sharing your thoughts and your code.  I'll be reviewing it further and will let you know if I have any questions.  

73,

Ron (KA3J)

Re: Powering that QCX: DC-DC Converters

Jack Brabham - KZ5A
 

Dave,

The regulator I picked up for this project  was ebay 382557154364, you have to take into account the poor translation into English in the ads... but this one appears to do what I want.  The BMS I'm looking at is ebay 312123044794.  There are a gazillion BMS's on ebay , I could probably find a smaller one.

This project is sort of a "warm-up" for the upcoming QSX.   When I get a QSX I intend to do  a full SOTA build with it.  My new QTH in Capitan. NM is surrounded by several 9000 to 12,000 ft peaks. There are 13 SOTA Summits within 25 km.  A few of these are reachable by Jeep (I'm too old for much mountain hiking) and I want to do some SOTA activations on RTTY and the digital modes.

73 Jack KZ5A










On 3/26/2019 8:18 AM, Dave & Ruth Haring wrote:
Jack, please provide more info about the buck-boost as well as bms... that his my question about using a 12V pack...

Thanks in advance, Dave

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 10:06 Jack Brabham - KZ5A <kz5a@...> wrote:
Dave,

I'm taking a slightly different approach to the same problem.    I'm planning on building my QCX 20 in a bigger box with internal batteries. (also audio AGC, a speaker, and an amp to drive it...but that's another story).

I'm using a 3x3 cell li-Ion battery pack with a nominal voltage of ~11 VDC.  This feeds a little 2A Buck-Boost regulator that will (in theory) keep the QCX steady at 16V over a wide range of input voltages.

The battery pack has a BMS (battery management system) module that protects the batteries from over-charge etc.  Both of these modules are in the < $5 category.

This approach allows the radio batteries to charge from the shack 13.8 V at home and also supports a directly connected 12V solar cell.   The BMS will manage the battery charging and the BBR protects the radio so no separate "solar cell controller" is needed.

Basically with the BB regulator feeding the QCX, any source of DC from 6V to 20+V should provide a steady Vcc at what ever voltage desired. 

In looking for these look for "automatic" BB regulators, apparently there are some that don't switch from buck to boost mode on the fly.

I am expecting the little regulator to need some minor output filtering to get rid of RF switching artifacts, so that's  something I'll check into when I get it assembled.

73 Jack KZ5A




On 3/26/2019 6:54 AM, Dave & Ruth Haring wrote:
I want to take my QCX on hikes (day trips or overnighters), and am thinking about batteries and output power. I'd really like to run on 14V, but want to keep costs modest. So I thought about battery packs for portable tools, which sit unused when I'm hiking...

18 and 20V are most common now, but 12V is easy to get. I'm wondering about the use of buck converters to drop from say 18 to 14V. And of course, boost converters to go from 12 to 14V.

Yes, I know it's not much dB or S-unit wise. But... when running low power and probably with a compromise antenna, I'd rather maximize it; not make it worse.

Here are the questions:

1. I see lots of offerings on E-Bay and Amazon. How in the world do you have confidence that the products are reasonable and likely to meet my needs, besides proper V-in, V-out, and amperage? Even if I use something else for a high voltage pack (see #2), this will be important because of the availability of small 12V  batteries...

2. What are some other ways to provide ~14V, hopefully with the theme of re-purposing existing stuff? I can strap on an extra cell or two and make my own NiCd pack, but that makes charging more annoying. Others? Maybe diode drops from an 18V pack should be considered, as it's not much less efficient that way than a buck converter and there isn't the possible switcher noise to contend with.

thanks in advance,

Dave N3AC



Re: How to support coax in inverted-V setup?

geoff M0ORE
 

DON'T use silicon sealer intended for bathroom use that smells of acetic acid. It will corrode the copper very quickly.


On 3/26/2019 3:32 PM, Im Scuba wrote:
Hello Jim,  I realize this is a bit of a dated post,  but wanted to share. I recently built a 'center insulator' for my QCX 40, made from 1.5" OFC and flat end caps, SO239, stainless hardware for the legs of antenna, and a zinc eye bolt in the top. My plans are a flat top low dipole at 7' in the back yard, but wanted the ability to hang it up high for possible portable work. All holes were sealed with silicone, and internals soldered & used heat shrink where applicable. It was a little tough to  get it all together, but for literally 8 dollars in parts, I think it's tough to beat. Some photos below.
Used ring terminals from so239 to stainless as well. And the wire used was some romex scrap. Once everything was test fit properly, PVC cemented it together, let it fully cure 24 hours, then siliconed the joints for a bit more protection. Overkill for me, as I dont plan on leaving the antenna up when not in use. (In theory anyways hihi)

Re: Powering that QCX: DC-DC Converters

Steve in Okinawa
 

Today i made the second field outing with my QCX40, primarily to test a new inverted-L setup before going full SOTA this weekend. After trying several power options, including power tool battery (heavy!) and a buck converter with a nifty V-mA display (unreliable), I'm happy with 4 18650 cells. I get 15.5 volts that the QCX seems to like, putting out nearly 5 watts. They last many hours, and while they do take some time to recharge, the pack is small and light. An inline fuse is the only addition. Incidentally, my QCX seems unusually tolerant of high vswrs. Maybe due to Hans' personal touch.

Re: Balloon breaking previous records U3B-25

HF
 

Hi Dave,
I fully agree with you that the meteorological radiosonde balloons and payloads are a vastly larger contribution to the planet's pollution load than the balloons we're discussing here.  In addition to lodging complaints to NOAA and EC as citizens, hams might be able to contribute to a technical contribution to reduce the problem.  If RDF beacons were added to these balloon payloads and the design were adjusted to somehow keep the balloon material together as shreds rather than fragments, then a maybe sport of sorts could develop in which people search for, find, and retrieve them as an RDF exercise.  I'll think about how I might contact someone who is involved in this aspect of meteorology for a discussion.
Cheers,
Halden VE7UTS

Re: How to support coax in inverted-V setup?

Steve Raas - N2JDQ - FN13DD
 

Hello Jim,  I realize this is a bit of a dated post,  but wanted to share. I recently built a 'center insulator' for my QCX 40, made from 1.5" OFC and flat end caps, SO239, stainless hardware for the legs of antenna, and a zinc eye bolt in the top. My plans are a flat top low dipole at 7' in the back yard, but wanted the ability to hang it up high for possible portable work. All holes were sealed with silicone, and internals soldered & used heat shrink where applicable. It was a little tough to  get it all together, but for literally 8 dollars in parts, I think it's tough to beat. Some photos below.
Used ring terminals from so239 to stainless as well. And the wire used was some romex scrap. Once everything was test fit properly, PVC cemented it together, let it fully cure 24 hours, then siliconed the joints for a bit more protection. Overkill for me, as I dont plan on leaving the antenna up when not in use. (In theory anyways hihi)

Re: Balloon breaking previous records U3B-25

HF
 

Hi Joe,
I also don't wish to impose my personal balance point (I like the way you articulate this) regarding littering on others in this forum.  I appreciate having this discussion about where we personally experience that balance point and what sort of things tend to shift it.  Furthermore, the discussion raises awareness of the issue and may stimulate further thoughtful contributions from other forum members.  It's unfortunate that it triggers anger in some readers, but I think it is a fair topic for this forum as long as we continue to refrain from telling anyone else what to do.
Cheers,
Halden VE7UTS

Re: Balloon breaking previous records U3B-25

HF
 

Hi Dave,
Thanks for the mass data on the tripole vs trap dipole options.  If the 7.5m element had a trap in it, it would get a little shorter for resonance because of the inductance of the LC trap that's below resonance, as you mention.  But that's a very small mass reduction and 0.3 grams is a big mass addition!  If it were to be pursued, one way to tune it would be to set it up on a regular transmitter with a feedline to the SWR meter or antenna analyzer, hung out in the open as high as possible.  Once the trap location and overall length are set, transfer it to the balloon transmitter.  I've done something similar to this when making parasitic elements from wire for a Bird-Yagi-Uda where the wire for the parasitic element is different from the material used for the DE.  I tuned it as a dipole at the approximate height where the BYU would be installed, then added and subtracted 5% from the length to make the director and reflector.
Cheers
Halden VE7UTS