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Steve Perlman
 

Hi Everyone,

As I said last night at the GT, If you get me your information promptly we will have your name tags for delivery at the car show in October.

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Give me your Name and either the town you live in or the year and model of your car, whichever you prefer.  They are still $8.50 .

Thanks

Steve

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Monthly PMGC GT - Tue, 09/10/2019 #cal-notice

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Monthly PMGC GT

When:
Tuesday, 10 September 2019
8:00pm to 10:00pm
(GMT-04:00) America/New York

Where:
Phil's Tavern

Organizer:
kliebel@...

Description:
Philadelphia MG Club Monthly GT
Phil's Tavern

Re: Carb. Intact flapper valve rattle fix - Eric Reitz

Kevin McLemore
 

Nice fix!  I seem to recall that the original sealing agent was a thin sheet of porous polyurethane foam rubber... it never lasted very long and rapidly turned to dust in the heat of the engine compartment.  That's probably why you never saw anything there.  I like the silicone idea.  I probably would have gone with a thin sheet of EDPM (Neoprene) foam, since it would have had a wee bit more 'give' to seal the flap better, but your idea will last longer.

Carb. Intact flapper valve rattle fix - Eric Reitz

Roger Searle
 

Diagnosis
The “flapper” valve is a two and a half inch wide sheet metal plate on a bimetal arm inside a banjo shaped duct.  When the engine is cold, the plate covers the fresh-air intake and the engine pulls air from around the exhaust manifold shroud.  As the engine warms up, the bimetal arm warps and closes the hot air side and opens the fresh-air side.  The warping action is not very strong and the valve seating is rudimentary so vibrations picked up from the engine easily cause the rattle against the valve seat.
 
The Fix
The air valve is easily removable and leaves an unrestricted opening for fresh air to the air filter and carburetter. I considered just removing it and test drove the car this way and it ran fine.  But in keeping with my originality goal and the MGB being such a highly engineered machine, I was reluctant to remove even a seemingly useless component for fear of upsetting something else.
 
There was no rattle when the car was new (I’m the original owner).  And there is no evidence of original padding or other mechanisms to prevent it from rattling.  I assumed that over time the bimetal arm became weaker allowing the valve plate to rattle against its surroundings.  I could not find new parts on the Internet so I considered two repairs:  a disk of silicon rubber gasket on the valve face or attaching a spring to hold the valve plate more securely to its seat.  The gasket seemed simpler so that’s the way I went.
 
I bought 1/32 inch silicon rubber sheeting and cut out a disk 2 1/8” in diameter.  This material is rated from -60 to 600 degrees Fahrenheit.  I glued this to the hot air face of the valve plate.  I thought a disk of material covering the entire valve seat would be superior to the small square my mechanic had once installed because it distributes the impact across a much larger area and allows the valve to close evenly.  I used Permatex Black Silicone adhesive after testing several other rubber cements.  I did not use epoxy due to a concern that it would work too well and be difficult to remove if I had to do the job over.
 
I was surprised how well the fix worked.  Not a sound.  I’m not sure if the disk cushions the rattle or its extra mass changes the resonant frequency of the bimetal arm so the engine vibrations do not excite it.  Maybe both.
 
By the way, I noticed that Moss Motors charges $38.99 for the short flexible duct that connects the manifold shroud to the air temperature control valve.  The image in their drawing seems to be beefier than was original to my car which was just light aluminum flex tube.  Dorman MightyFlow flex tube 2 inch diameter is identical to my original part, is available from Pepboy’s and costs only a few dollars.

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Wheels at Wood - Could use a Driver

Kevin McLemore
 

So, I’m driving my MGTD to the Wheels at Wood Car Show this Saturday, and I have another driver for my Sunbeam Alpine, but if anyone coming without a car would like to drive my MINI Cooper and enter that, it’s up for grabs.  Driver needs to be able to drive a stick shift and they’d need to be at my house in Ambler by 7:00 am. Text me at 215-272-3320 if you’re interested.

Cheers,
Kevin Mclemore 

Upcoming Event: Monthly PMGC GT - Tue, 09/10/2019 8:00pm-10:00pm #cal-reminder

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Long-term Nissan Leaf wrapup: Proving EVs have a strong future; deep-dive into the Bugatti Centodieci; SPOILERS: Weekend race results and remembering Anthoine Hubert

Steve Harding
 

Club members,
Check out the ad for Lucas headlights. 
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Re: Gasoline Order

 

Thank you to everyone for your advice and suggestions.  I followed through on as many suggestions as I could  and, while I don’t know which one or which ones solved the problem, the odor is gone.  Again, many thanks for your help.  

John


-----Original Message-----
From: searlerb via Groups.Io <searlerb@...>
To: PhillyMGClub <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 04:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order


Be sure to check the hoses to the fuel filter.  On 78s this is on the firewall above where the steering column comes through.  The top hose makes a tight "U" turn which is subject to failure.  It did on my 78 once.  My feet were slipping on the floor matt and I discovered the fuel pump was trying to fill the cabin.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422@...>
To: PhillyMGClub <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 11:59 am
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order

Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Roger Searle
 

Be sure to check the hoses to the fuel filter.  On 78s this is on the firewall above where the steering column comes through.  The top hose makes a tight "U" turn which is subject to failure.  It did on my 78 once.  My feet were slipping on the floor matt and I discovered the fuel pump was trying to fill the cabin.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422@...>
To: PhillyMGClub <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 11:59 am
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order

Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Ed Emery
 

Check the rubber hoses carefully.  If they are original they could be leaking due to the ethanol in the gasoline.  You might want to replace them either way and be forewarned that new fuel line hoses can be pricy so ask the price before you buy.

 

Ed Emery

 

From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io [mailto:PhillyMGClub@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Edgar via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 1:03 PM
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order

 

Thank you Gerard for the excellent advice.  I will certainly follow that advice and hopefully solve the problem.  I could end up taking the vehicle to a local MG shop.

Thanks again,

 

John 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Dangelo <Gdangelo6118@...>
To: PhillyMGClub <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order

Edgar, 

   Fuel vapours can come from many sources, be very methodical in how and where you search. Start at the fuel tank and work your way forward.

One question that needs to be asked, is: has anyone modified any part of the fuel system or the emissions "systems"? Either way:

   Tanks can rust on the top, between fuel tank top and bottom of the boot. Separator tank lines in the boot can break or fray, so look carefully.  It is rare that the main fuel line is the cause, but all flexible lines that attach to it should be replaced. Place paper under the car for a few nights, might help to locate a drip if that is the cause. If you have an Original SU fuel pump, look carefully at it from under the car, feel around the banjo fittings to see if they are leaking. If you have an aftermarket pump look at its hoses (at a min).

   As you make your way forward to the carbs, inspect very carefully the carbon canister/s in the engine bay, sometimes when certain things go wrong (and there are many) fuel vapours and fuel itself can overwhelm the canisters. They contain charcoal and can be cleaned and the charcoal reactivated or replaced. A lot of times that is a cause of fuel smell when the car is sitting. Then depending on your knowledge of your carbs (If you have SU's, HS4's or HIF's) look them over very carefully and make sure they are not leaking. 

    I could go on but I hope this helps, good luck and please let us know how things work out...……………………………...Gerard

 

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:11 PM Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020@...> wrote:

Did you check the trunk area?

How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?

Maybe slight leak near the filter?

 

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

 

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell

 

 

On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422@...> wrote:

 

 

Good Morning,

 

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

 

Many thanks,

 

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

 

Thank you, I'll be certain to check the cap


-----Original Message-----
From: jpwinesplumbing via Groups.Io <jpwinesplumbing@...>
To: PhillyMGClub <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order

Could be something as simple as a bad seal on the gas cap. 




On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 12:40 PM, Gregory Simms <gasgregory62@...> wrote:
The top shelf surface of gas tanks are sometimes known to rust thru.should drip on ground after driving though

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, 12:11 PM Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell


On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

 

Thank you Gerard for the excellent advice.  I will certainly follow that advice and hopefully solve the problem.  I could end up taking the vehicle to a local MG shop.
Thanks again,

John 


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Dangelo <Gdangelo6118@...>
To: PhillyMGClub <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Gasoline Order

Edgar, 
   Fuel vapours can come from many sources, be very methodical in how and where you search. Start at the fuel tank and work your way forward.
One question that needs to be asked, is: has anyone modified any part of the fuel system or the emissions "systems"? Either way:
   Tanks can rust on the top, between fuel tank top and bottom of the boot. Separator tank lines in the boot can break or fray, so look carefully.  It is rare that the main fuel line is the cause, but all flexible lines that attach to it should be replaced. Place paper under the car for a few nights, might help to locate a drip if that is the cause. If you have an Original SU fuel pump, look carefully at it from under the car, feel around the banjo fittings to see if they are leaking. If you have an aftermarket pump look at its hoses (at a min).
   As you make your way forward to the carbs, inspect very carefully the carbon canister/s in the engine bay, sometimes when certain things go wrong (and there are many) fuel vapours and fuel itself can overwhelm the canisters. They contain charcoal and can be cleaned and the charcoal reactivated or replaced. A lot of times that is a cause of fuel smell when the car is sitting. Then depending on your knowledge of your carbs (If you have SU's, HS4's or HIF's) look them over very carefully and make sure they are not leaking. 
    I could go on but I hope this helps, good luck and please let us know how things work out...……………………………...Gerard

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:11 PM Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell


On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Gerard Dangelo <Gdangelo6118@...>
 

Edgar, 
   Fuel vapours can come from many sources, be very methodical in how and where you search. Start at the fuel tank and work your way forward.
One question that needs to be asked, is: has anyone modified any part of the fuel system or the emissions "systems"? Either way:
   Tanks can rust on the top, between fuel tank top and bottom of the boot. Separator tank lines in the boot can break or fray, so look carefully.  It is rare that the main fuel line is the cause, but all flexible lines that attach to it should be replaced. Place paper under the car for a few nights, might help to locate a drip if that is the cause. If you have an Original SU fuel pump, look carefully at it from under the car, feel around the banjo fittings to see if they are leaking. If you have an aftermarket pump look at its hoses (at a min).
   As you make your way forward to the carbs, inspect very carefully the carbon canister/s in the engine bay, sometimes when certain things go wrong (and there are many) fuel vapours and fuel itself can overwhelm the canisters. They contain charcoal and can be cleaned and the charcoal reactivated or replaced. A lot of times that is a cause of fuel smell when the car is sitting. Then depending on your knowledge of your carbs (If you have SU's, HS4's or HIF's) look them over very carefully and make sure they are not leaking. 
    I could go on but I hope this helps, good luck and please let us know how things work out...……………………………...Gerard

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 12:11 PM Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell



On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Jim Wines
 

Could be something as simple as a bad seal on the gas cap. 




On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 12:40 PM, Gregory Simms <gasgregory62@...> wrote:

The top shelf surface of gas tanks are sometimes known to rust thru.should drip on ground after driving though

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, 12:11 PM Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell



On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Gregory Simms
 

The top shelf surface of gas tanks are sometimes known to rust thru.should drip on ground after driving though


On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, 12:11 PM Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell



On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Ira Spector
 

Check the charcoal filter on the right side of the trunk. The rubber hoses that connect it to the tank vent often deteriorate and cause this smell.

Ira

On Sep 1, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020@...> wrote:

Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell



On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422@...> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Gasoline Order

Stephen McDowell
 

Did you check the trunk area?
How about making sure all the c clamps are tight?
Maybe slight leak near the filter?

Take a long 1/2 hose and use it to sniff each fitting as it doesnt take much to give you the gas smell.

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell



On Sunday, September 1, 2019, 11:59:27 AM EDT, John Edgar via Groups.Io <JME422@...> wrote:


Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Gasoline Order

 

Good Morning,

My 1978 B is emitting a gasoline odor that clears quickly when the garage door is open..  I have found no visible leaks and have removed another vehicle and the gasoline can from the garage.  There are no other sources of gasoline other than the MG.  Does anyone have an idea or knowledge of where the odor may be originating and what needs to be done to stop it?

Many thanks,

John Edgar

Re: Requesting Photos of MGBs, GTs including MGC and RV8

Steve Harding
 

The address is mgbcalendar.com.


On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Stephen McDowell via Groups.Io <stephen.mcdowell2020@...> wrote:

What address do I send the pics too? 

v/r
Steve
703-628-8194 - Cell



On Friday, May 31, 2019, 7:42:36 AM EDT, Steve Harding via Groups.Io <mgbgt1@...> wrote:


Club Members,
Another way to showcase your MG.
Ex-Prez Steve


Hi,
Each year I print the MGB and GT calendar.

I need additional submissions of photos for the 2020 calendar. The perfect submission size is 3600x2700 pixels pulled directly from the camera without processing, cropping or any photoshop type enhancement.

I am looking for racing photos, images of rebuilds in progress, or any fun shots that have not been submitted in previous years and embody the experience of owning an MGB. Perfect cars are not necessary but the emphasis is always on the car, the additional content of the photo cannot overwhelm the car. For instance, if the photo is about the people, a dog, or the location,  it is not about the MGB!

Photos should be submitted as soon as possible.

By submitting a photo you assign reproduction and distribution rights to MGBcalendar for future use without restriction.

Individual copies may be purchased from www.MGBCalendar.com for $20 (USD) which includes delivery almost anywhere. The Calendar is shipped to arrive by Christmas each year.. 
 
Please, send me your high resolution photo by reply email, or if you are sending multiple submissions, send them through a free file delivery service like www.wetransfer.com.

Visit my website www.mgbcalendar.com!

Thanks, and...
Safety Fast!
-- Michael Caputo, Owner
www.MGBCalendar.com
617-674-4367
www.ThePromoMaster.com
www.NewEnglandWear.com
978-249-5760


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