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MGB Service Guide, How to Check your Engine for Wear and Tear, and More!

Roger Williams
 

Hi All

Thought some of you might be interested since these videos are MGB related.


Roger Williams


Begin forwarded message:

From: Skill Shack <editor@...>
Date: July 16, 2020 at 3:01:11 PM EDT
To: rogerotto@...
Subject: MGB Service Guide, How to Check your Engine for Wear and Tear, and More!
Reply-To: Skill Shack <editor@...>

New videos at Skillshack

MGB Service Guide

MGB Service Guide – Introduction

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How to Stop your Classic

How To Stop Your Classic MGB From Running On

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How to Check your Engine for Wear and Tear

How To Check Your Engine For Wear And Tear

In the next step of basic engine maintenance, Ed explains how you can learn a great deal about a car engine’s wear and general health by inspecting a few key components and completing a test or two. WATCH NOW

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Tonight’s Zoom GT Info

Kristi Liebel
 

Don’t forget the GT starts in less than 1 minute 😊!

Kristi 


Begin forwarded message:

From: Kristi Liebel <KLiebel@...>
Date: July 14, 2020 at 4:58:33 PM EDT
To: "PhillyMGClub@groups.io" <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Tonight’s Zoom GT Info
Reply-To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io

Hi all,

Here is the info for tonight’s Zoom Mtg!! Lambert and I will only be able to stay on for a little bit as our internet connection is not the greatest in the campground.

See you all tonight!!

Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/93824615134?pwd=Qzd6aTEzblFqd3c0VnJONHBvL3ROQT09

Meeting ID: 938 2461 5134
Password: 8DNqvZ

Kristi 


Re: Syncopation Issue

Ira Spector
 

I just remembered having a similar problem in my MGA years ago. The wire to the points was moving. 

Ira

On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Pete Baumbach via groups.io <pgblab@...> wrote:


Is there a ZOOM id and password for tonight?


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb@...>
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue

Thanks all for the ideas.  I'm going down the list but haven't found the issue yet.

1. No water in gas.
2. No condenser in dizzy (electronic).
3. ZS dashpot plunger has oil.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Spector <spectors4@...>
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue

I would check for air getting into the system, like at the fuel filter connections. Also a possible loose connection to the coil.

Ira

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:

 Yes, that is another possibility - fuel vaporization. You could get some fuel starvation due to bubbles in the fuel and once you purge the bubbling fuel the engine would run normally.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Steve Perlman <sperlman63@...> wrote:

Throwing my 2 cents in because I had a ZS in my car until last year.  As per the MG Exp ZS carbs have a problem on hot summer days because at stand still the temp in the engine compartment rises significantly due to the catalytic converter being directly under the carburetor.   Something to consider.  Heat shields, cooling fans, etc..

Steve P Yellow B

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark Johnson <Markmgble@...> wrote:
It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


--
Yesterday is a Memory, 
Tomorrow is a Mystery, 
Today is a Gift, 
That's why it's called 
The Present...........


Ragtops & Roadsters July MG Zoom Meeting Tonight!

Kristi Liebel
 

Here is the Ragtops & Roadsters mtg info. They are having a meeting tonight as well. 

Kristi 

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To: KRISTI LIEBEL <KLIEBEL@...>
Subject: Ragtops & Roadsters July MG Zoom Meeting Tonight!
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Tonight’s Zoom GT Info

Kristi Liebel
 

Hi all,

Here is the info for tonight’s Zoom Mtg!! Lambert and I will only be able to stay on for a little bit as our internet connection is not the greatest in the campground.

See you all tonight!!

Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/93824615134?pwd=Qzd6aTEzblFqd3c0VnJONHBvL3ROQT09

Meeting ID: 938 2461 5134
Password: 8DNqvZ

Kristi 


Re: Syncopation Issue

Pete Baumbach
 

Is there a ZOOM id and password for tonight?


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb@...>
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue

Thanks all for the ideas.  I'm going down the list but haven't found the issue yet.

1. No water in gas.
2. No condenser in dizzy (electronic).
3. ZS dashpot plunger has oil.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Spector <spectors4@...>
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue

I would check for air getting into the system, like at the fuel filter connections. Also a possible loose connection to the coil.

Ira

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:

 Yes, that is another possibility - fuel vaporization. You could get some fuel starvation due to bubbles in the fuel and once you purge the bubbling fuel the engine would run normally.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Steve Perlman <sperlman63@...> wrote:

Throwing my 2 cents in because I had a ZS in my car until last year.  As per the MG Exp ZS carbs have a problem on hot summer days because at stand still the temp in the engine compartment rises significantly due to the catalytic converter being directly under the carburetor.   Something to consider.  Heat shields, cooling fans, etc..

Steve P Yellow B

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark Johnson <Markmgble@...> wrote:
It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


--
Yesterday is a Memory, 
Tomorrow is a Mystery, 
Today is a Gift, 
That's why it's called 
The Present...........


Re: Syncopation Issue

Roger Searle
 

Thanks all for the ideas.  I'm going down the list but haven't found the issue yet.

1. No water in gas.
2. No condenser in dizzy (electronic).
3. ZS dashpot plunger has oil.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Spector <spectors4@...>
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue

I would check for air getting into the system, like at the fuel filter connections. Also a possible loose connection to the coil.

Ira

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:

 Yes, that is another possibility - fuel vaporization. You could get some fuel starvation due to bubbles in the fuel and once you purge the bubbling fuel the engine would run normally.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Steve Perlman <sperlman63@...> wrote:

Throwing my 2 cents in because I had a ZS in my car until last year.  As per the MG Exp ZS carbs have a problem on hot summer days because at stand still the temp in the engine compartment rises significantly due to the catalytic converter being directly under the carburetor.   Something to consider.  Heat shields, cooling fans, etc..

Steve P Yellow B

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark Johnson <Markmgble@...> wrote:
It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


--
Yesterday is a Memory, 
Tomorrow is a Mystery, 
Today is a Gift, 
That's why it's called 
The Present...........


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Re: Syncopation Issue

Ira Spector
 

I would check for air getting into the system, like at the fuel filter connections. Also a possible loose connection to the coil.

Ira

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:

 Yes, that is another possibility - fuel vaporization. You could get some fuel starvation due to bubbles in the fuel and once you purge the bubbling fuel the engine would run normally.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Steve Perlman <sperlman63@...> wrote:

Throwing my 2 cents in because I had a ZS in my car until last year.  As per the MG Exp ZS carbs have a problem on hot summer days because at stand still the temp in the engine compartment rises significantly due to the catalytic converter being directly under the carburetor.   Something to consider.  Heat shields, cooling fans, etc..

Steve P Yellow B

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark Johnson <Markmgble@...> wrote:
It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  



--
Yesterday is a Memory, 
Tomorrow is a Mystery, 
Today is a Gift, 
That's why it's called 
The Present...........


Re: Syncopation Issue

Kevin McLemore
 

Yes, that is another possibility - fuel vaporization. You could get some fuel starvation due to bubbles in the fuel and once you purge the bubbling fuel the engine would run normally.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Steve Perlman <sperlman63@...> wrote:

Throwing my 2 cents in because I had a ZS in my car until last year.  As per the MG Exp ZS carbs have a problem on hot summer days because at stand still the temp in the engine compartment rises significantly due to the catalytic converter being directly under the carburetor.   Something to consider.  Heat shields, cooling fans, etc..

Steve P Yellow B

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark Johnson <Markmgble@...> wrote:
It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  



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Tomorrow is a Mystery, 
Today is a Gift, 
That's why it's called 
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Re: Syncopation Issue

Steve Perlman
 

Throwing my 2 cents in because I had a ZS in my car until last year.  As per the MG Exp ZS carbs have a problem on hot summer days because at stand still the temp in the engine compartment rises significantly due to the catalytic converter being directly under the carburetor.   Something to consider.  Heat shields, cooling fans, etc..

Steve P Yellow B

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Mark Johnson <Markmgble@...> wrote:
It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  



--
Yesterday is a Memory, 
Tomorrow is a Mystery, 
Today is a Gift, 
That's why it's called 
The Present...........


Re: Syncopation Issue

Mark Johnson
 

It could be ignition issue. Just a thought!


On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Kevin McLemore <kmclemore@...> wrote:


An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


Re: Syncopation Issue

Harry Hurst
 

Biggest problem we had with Zenith carbs was a tear in the rubber diaphragm. The car will still run but not well. You should check that first.

But remember, as Dick O'Kane said, "Carburetor is a French word meaning 'leave it alone.' " You need to check all the ignition system first before assuming it is in the carb.

Harry Hurst
610-725-9600 Cell


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On 7/12/20 6:14 PM, Roger Searle via groups.io wrote:
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


Re: Syncopation Issue

Kevin McLemore
 

An occasional drop-out like yours can be due to a number of factors.  Given it is always from a stop, and even then it's intermittent, it must be something that happens whilst the engine idles, and then when you hit the gas it purges the problem (after a brief hiccup).  Let's look at a few things you mentioned...

Fuel pump... well, it's clearly pumping OK, because you have no issues 'at speed', where you'd see any pump supply issue most exacerbated.  So, I think we can rule that out.

Second, ZS (and S.U.) carbs have no accelerator pump, per se, but the oil in the dashpot acts as an ersatz pump... it slows the rise of the air valve (which is lifted by engine vacuum when you press the throttle down), allowing the intake runner vacuum to momentarily increase over the metering jet orifice, thereby creating a momentarily greater mixture when you depress the throttle. Lack of oil in the dashpot (or a very thin/light oil), gives you minimal 'accelerator pump' and conversely the proper oil (normal engine oil) gives you the proper 'accelerator pump'.  So... since this is intermittent, I doubt it's the dashpot oil - if you lacked dashpot oil it would give a consistently poorer off-the-line performance (NB: you should be checking that oil as often as you check the engine oil, which one presumes this would be every few hundred miles or so).

So... having ruled out those two, what else may be at fault?  Following the fuel issues theory, one might think it was a carburettor diaphragm, but again, this would virtually always cause a consistently poor performance, not an intermittent issue such as you described.  It's not a vacuum leak, either, for the same reason.

However, there are two other possible fuel issues I can think of...

First, a bit of grit may have got down into your fuel jet orifice, and when idling it may be get itself into a spot where it clogs things things a bit, until the vacuum over the orifice dislodges it.  I doubt this is the case, however, but it bears checking for dirt in the bowl.

Second, you may have a bit of water in your fuel tank, and as the car idles this accumulates in the bottom of the fuel bowl... when you hit the throttle it pulls in the glob of water and coughs, then starts pulling good fuel and runs just fine.  I think this may be entirely likely.  To test this, disconnect the fuel line going to the carburettor and place it into a 1-gallon container (a dry milk jug works well).  Have a partner turn the key on and allow the pump to nearly fill the jug.  Turn off the key, and reconnect the fuel line.  Seal the jug and allow it to sit overnight, then check the bottom of the jug for tiny droplets of water... if you see even one, you've located your problem.

As to it being electrical, that's also possible.  However, given it's intermittent, and only happens once at start off, I'd give low odds to it being an electrical issue.  That being said, the first place I'd check is the condenser, since as they get hot they can begin to perform poorly, and the current batch of available condensers are total crap.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Kevin McLemore


From: PhillyMGClub@groups.io <PhillyMGClub@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:14 PM
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue
 
All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


Re: Syncopation Issue

Chip Krout <chip19474@...>
 

Roger,

Assuming that you checked for electrical gremlins: if you have standard points ignition and have a spare rotor, swap it out and see what happens....there are bad rotors out there - the hard material of the "bakelite" is defective and carbon-porous which means that high voltage seeks a path to ground through the rotor body to the dist shaft...Moss sells the improved rotor - I think it's nicknamed the "red rotor".  Condensers go bad sometimes causing intermittent engine loss of power then suddenly back on....or engine just fails alltogether.  The there's a chance that coil is failing or the ignition timing has changed but I'd focus on the better suspect first.....rotor!

Fuel - Check that the oil in the dashpot is at the correct level and correct weight.  If you've never checked the condition of the rubber dashpot diaphragm, now might be a good time to remove the 4 screws and take a look at it for cracks.  Unlikely especially if you haven't messed with the carb but low float level could cause a stumble.

93 octane should work excellent

Chip Krout
'76 MGB


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From: Roger Searle via groups.io <searlerb@...>
To: phillymgclub@groups.io <phillymgclub@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 6:14 pm
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Syncopation Issue

All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


Syncopation Issue

Roger Searle
 

All,

My '78 Roadster with ZS carb. is experiencing an occasional hesitation in the engine.  Almost like it stops for a faction of a second.  It happens just once each episode and mostly happens when pulling out from a stop.  It doesn't happen every time but maybe every 3rd or 4th stop.  And the engine runs perfectly at all other times.

The fuel pump is pretty new.  This has been happening for several months and a few hundred miles.  It's been refueled several times with Sunoco 93 since it started.  Accelerator pump?  Something else?

Thanks for any ideas.

Roger  


Re: Important Club Information

Cathy Corcoran
 

So sorry we cannot mini golf this year.
Jeff and Cathy 


On Jul 11, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Karen Schulte <mgbbabe1970@...> wrote:


Lambert,
The forecast for next Saturday is 97 degrees which means even at 10 am it probably be 90 degrees.
Jim, JD and I were planning on coming but if it is that warm, I am out.
Jim and JD may attempt to come.
Can we discuss it more at the Zoom mtg. on Tuesday?
Karen Schulte 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Lambert Liebel <lliebel@...>
Date: 7/11/20 5:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Important Club Information

Hello Fellow MG Club members,

I have a few things that I need to get out to everyone.

1. We are not having a GT at Phil’s this month. That invitation was not supposed to go out.

2. Our GT this Tuesday July 14th, will be on Zoom again. We were unable to procure a place to meet.

Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/93824615134?pwd=Qzd6aTEzblFqd3c0VnJONHBvL3ROQT09

Meeting ID: 938 2461 5134
Password: 8DNqvZ


3. If you plan on attending the Mini Golf this Saturday in Lansdale, I need you to email me ASAP and let me know. We are trying to get a set count so that we can figure out what is going to happen to be safe.

4. Ragtops and Roadsters is having a zoom tour of their shop and they are going to talk about the work they are doing on MG’s. This is the same night as our GT and the information can be found on their website. https://www.ragtops.com/


Lambert

President PMGC
Nuffield News Editor
LLiebel@...

“Keep Calm and Safety Fast”








Re: Important Club Information

Karen Schulte
 

Lambert,
The forecast for next Saturday is 97 degrees which means even at 10 am it probably be 90 degrees.
Jim, JD and I were planning on coming but if it is that warm, I am out.
Jim and JD may attempt to come.
Can we discuss it more at the Zoom mtg. on Tuesday?
Karen Schulte 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Lambert Liebel <lliebel@...>
Date: 7/11/20 5:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: PhillyMGClub@groups.io
Subject: [PhillyMGClub] Important Club Information

Hello Fellow MG Club members,

I have a few things that I need to get out to everyone.

1. We are not having a GT at Phil’s this month. That invitation was not supposed to go out.

2. Our GT this Tuesday July 14th, will be on Zoom again. We were unable to procure a place to meet.

Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/93824615134?pwd=Qzd6aTEzblFqd3c0VnJONHBvL3ROQT09

Meeting ID: 938 2461 5134
Password: 8DNqvZ


3. If you plan on attending the Mini Golf this Saturday in Lansdale, I need you to email me ASAP and let me know. We are trying to get a set count so that we can figure out what is going to happen to be safe.

4. Ragtops and Roadsters is having a zoom tour of their shop and they are going to talk about the work they are doing on MG’s. This is the same night as our GT and the information can be found on their website. https://www.ragtops.com/


Lambert

President PMGC
Nuffield News Editor
LLiebel@...

“Keep Calm and Safety Fast”








Important Club Information

Lambert Liebel
 

Hello Fellow MG Club members,

I have a few things that I need to get out to everyone.

1. We are not having a GT at Phil’s this month. That invitation was not supposed to go out.

2. Our GT this Tuesday July 14th, will be on Zoom again. We were unable to procure a place to meet.

Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/93824615134?pwd=Qzd6aTEzblFqd3c0VnJONHBvL3ROQT09

Meeting ID: 938 2461 5134
Password: 8DNqvZ


3. If you plan on attending the Mini Golf this Saturday in Lansdale, I need you to email me ASAP and let me know. We are trying to get a set count so that we can figure out what is going to happen to be safe.

4. Ragtops and Roadsters is having a zoom tour of their shop and they are going to talk about the work they are doing on MG’s. This is the same night as our GT and the information can be found on their website. https://www.ragtops.com/


Lambert

President PMGC
Nuffield News Editor
LLiebel@phillymgclub.com

“Keep Calm and Safety Fast”


Ready To Race? 1959 MGA Roadster

Steve Harding
 

For Club members who need an MG race car.

https://barnfinds.com/ready-to-race-1959-mga-roadster/

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