Topics

"Lorraine" on EBay

Jason
 

If anyone is interested, Lorraine has returned to eBay. She's been reduced from my initial purchase price. She was procured through an American Cancer Society charity auction, so it was for a good cause. Que Sera, Sera.

Not that I want to break from her completely. If anyone can suggest a more flawless Lorraine S/N, or Swimmers S/N, I'd love to chat!

 

Jason
 

I just came back from a meeting with a Milwaukee-area paper conservator. He actually recommended simply leaving the print in its current state. He felt this was iron staining occurring in the paper and not mold.

The most minimally invasive procedure would be tiny spot applications of calcium carbonate (common chalk.) It would stall the foxing and slightly cover, but not completely hide, the spots.

I'm on the fence. Give her a professional UV framing and not let the foxing bother me, or put her back on the market, recouping my investment for an upgraded piece. 

If I resell, I'd love to find a pristine Lorraine, or similar.

Monica Moynihan
 

Jason,

I agree with Rob. Try and purchase pieces unframed if possible. If you love the frame it doesn’t cost much to put it back together. 

That’s not to say you can’t find a perfect framed piece, but if she is unframed you can see the backside for any foxing.

When I started collecting, I like you was so excited to find a Nagel, Nagel AP piece (the one similar to Kristen) pulled the trigger in person since it seemed like a deal with foxing. I had it restored by someone in Los Angeles and she’s is now gorgeous with pure colors. The piece altogether purchased off Craigslist, restored and reframed probably cost me $650, so it’s wasn’t bad. And being an AP I wanted to “save” her. However, she will now due to the restoration having to use water never be 100 percent flat. She is a beauty and I still “float her”, but you can find a better Lorraine. 

Let us know what other pieces you want if any. Between all of us looking we can help you too. They aren’t always on EBay. 

Monica 
Swimmersgirl

Sent from Monica Perkal's iPhone while out busy working for you. 

On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:27 AM, jasonjcarlton@... wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Typo]

Hello!

I've been an admirer of Nagel and his work, since I was a budding designer in high school during the 1980's. I've been seeking something more demure to display in my workplace. The eBay Lorraine posted above hit all the right notes for me!

I still adore this piece, but... what the above auction didn't show, was her outbreak of freckles and a very, very tiny speck of grit to the upper right of the bird wing (maybe that part is my OCD chiming in.) 

I'm meeting with a paper conservator here in Milwaukee, to determine what low-impact restoration is acceptable.

Any advice on the valuation of this piece and if such restoration is recommended, from a Nagel aficionado point-of-view?

Thank you in advance!

 

 

 

 

<IMG_0412.jpg>
<IMG_0413.jpg>
<IMG_0410.jpg>

Heather Arender
 

It sounds like foxing has occurred. Yellowish brown spots “freckles”. It could cost several hundred dollars to be restored and there is always a risk of it being damaged. Foxing will continue to get worse as it is mold, usually because of the reaction with the ink and paper over years and the type of framing that initially was done. 

I do not have first-hand experience with having Nagel’s restored. I will say I have looked into it and one of my biggest concerns is the colors that were used mostly dark, yellow, or  pink is and the fine lines. So maybe someone can assist you that has actually had foxing remove from a Nagel print. Good luck!!!

Jason
 

Hello, and thank you for the words of advice. The Lorraine I posted about is indeed from the auction highlighted at the top of this thread. I jumped at the chance, but probably should've asked to see a detailed close-up of her face. She's mine now, so now I have to determine the best course of action. 

 

Unfortunately, the blemishes featured are on the paper. Such a shame, but to be fair, I was able to secure her for slightly above half the asking price. 

 

Lorraine is a sweetheart. I know exactly what you mean when you describe her as demure.

Not sure if this is the same piece I referenced above in May, 2019, so here are a few guidelines:

Fair market value for a collectible Lorraine in excellent condition is probably in the US$1,200 range, give or take. Is it worth restoring? Well, first you have to know if the freckles and specs of grit are on the piece or on the glass (if it's framed).  Most sellers feature their pieces framed and don't bother cleaning up the glass.  It's worth asking if you haven't seen the piece up close and in person.

Then you have to add the cost of the restoration. I've found that, except in unusual cases, if a serigraph requires restoration, it may not be worth the purchase, especially if there are pristine pieces out there.  I hunted Gray Lady for ten or fifteen years before I found one worth purchasing -- and then I paid full market for it (they're exceedingly rare).

So do the math and see if it calcs out for you. Best advice (and it's tough to follow, I know) is to hold out for the perfect piece.  In the long run, you'll know you have a perfect piece worth every penny you paid for it.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com


Jason
 
Edited

Hello!

I've been an admirer of Nagel and his work, since I was a budding designer in high school during the 1980's. I've been seeking something more demure to display in my workplace. The eBay Lorraine posted above hit all the right notes for me!

I still adore this piece, but... what the above auction didn't show, was her outbreak of freckles and a very, very tiny speck of grit to the upper right of the bird wing (maybe that part is my OCD chiming in.) 

I'm meeting with a paper conservator here in Milwaukee, to determine what low-impact restoration is acceptable.

Any advice on the valuation of this piece and if such restoration is recommended, from a Nagel aficionado point-of-view?

Thank you in advance!

 

 

 

 

 

Greetings:

Just a quick note to let you know that the Lorraine on EBay has dropped its asking price -- and they're accepting offers.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com