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Re: "Lorraine" on EBay

Jason
 

If anyone is interested, Lorraine has returned to eBay. She's been reduced from my initial purchase price. She was procured through an American Cancer Society charity auction, so it was for a good cause. Que Sera, Sera.

Not that I want to break from her completely. If anyone can suggest a more flawless Lorraine S/N, or Swimmers S/N, I'd love to chat!

 

Re: Seriously? Priced that high?

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Seeing I have 3 of those I will sell my black and white robe and mirage for 50000 and I will through in black robe plus free shipping.  Lol. Yes those are too high by far but u cant get as easy as some think. 

Re: Seriously? Priced that high?

Craig Blankenship
 

That’s wild !  


On Jul 16, 2019, at 10:23 AM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Well, in case you thought I was too optimistic about Nagel serigraph prices, take a look at what one collector has up for sale:

Black Robe  ($ 9,000)
Black and White Robe  ($25,000)
Mirage  ($15,000)
Joan Collins ($6,000)

Yes, you read those right.  Each of them is four to five times what you cen get them for on any auction or Ebay site.  

This is what happens when amateurs get into the act.  But who knows? I'd rather have them priced out of this world than otherwise.... :D


Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com


Seriously? Priced that high?

 

Well, in case you thought I was too optimistic about Nagel serigraph prices, take a look at what one collector has up for sale:

Black Robe  ($ 9,000)
Black and White Robe  ($25,000)
Mirage  ($15,000)
Joan Collins ($6,000)

Yes, you read those right.  Each of them is four to five times what you cen get them for on any auction or Ebay site.  

This is what happens when amateurs get into the act.  But who knows? I'd rather have them priced out of this world than otherwise.... :D


Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com


Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

 

Congratulations on your Kristen.  She's a keeper!


Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

Craig Blankenship
 

I purchased the art because I liked it .  I went through a period where you couldn’t give it away , figuratively speaking .   I’m certainly not unhappy prices are up.  


On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:13 AM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Correct!
Nagel died the year the first Apple Macintosh was introduced. Everything he did was analog and the process was grueling, especially for his assistants.  In fact, to illustrate just how much work went into it, I devote an entire chapter of The Artist Who Loved Women to describing all the pains Nagel took to produce his pieces.

This was no point and click thing.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

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I so want Venetian blinds. Not sure I can find one and if I do at a price I can afford.   Here is my
Kristen.  Took over year to negotiate. 

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

 

Correct!
Nagel died the year the first Apple Macintosh was introduced. Everything he did was analog and the process was grueling, especially for his assistants.  In fact, to illustrate just how much work went into it, I devote an entire chapter of The Artist Who Loved Women to describing all the pains Nagel took to produce his pieces.

This was no point and click thing.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

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Remember  he had an eye for true perfection.  All this was done without the aid of computer. He was a true master artist.  Anyone who looks at his work he has done will be impressed .( one doesnt have to like subject)  

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

 

Possibly, Manny.

Or maybe we're seeing a real market adjustment that finally recognizes the true value of Nagel's work.  The whole reason why I wrote the book was to help restore the value of Nagel's legacy and work.  Whether coincidence or not, the ultimate objective does seem to be well on its way to achievement.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

Manuel Rodriguez
 

If that's correct, then we're back to the post-death hypo-manic pricing that was rooted in irrational pricing and emotion. This must me another cyclical episode of irrational exuberance. I regret having sold some very rare limiteds for rational pricing, including  Grey Lady and Venetian Blinds. Human emotion is completely unpredictable. 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:39 PM robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:
I don't recall, but if you can snag a genuine, pristine Gray Lady for less than US$4,500, you're doing good.

At the moment, Kristen is burning up since the canvas just sold for US$240,000.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

 

I don't recall, but if you can snag a genuine, pristine Gray Lady for less than US$4,500, you're doing good.

At the moment, Kristen is burning up since the canvas just sold for US$240,000.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

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Do  we remember  the last gray lady went for? Was it around 3000 time shipping and auction fees.  I just cant remember 

Re: July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

Cooper_Monster
 

Interesting provenance.

July 27, 2019 Auction of tempting Nagel collectibles

 

Greetings:

On July 27, 2019, there are a number of collectible Nagel serigraphs and one illustration that are up for auction.  Among them is a Kristen, Gray Lady, and an oversized Collector's Gallery (it's five feet across and one of my favorites).

That's the good news.  The bad news is that not all auction houses are reputable and sometimes their item descriptions can be a little sketchy.  So do your homework before you bid.  If you happen to live in the Los Angeles area, I strongly advise you to visit the auction house in person before bidding.

You can see these sought-after pieces and more at https://www.liveauctioneers.com when you search "Patrick Nagel."

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com


Re: Playboy Mansion Invites

 

Well, that's one of those counter-intuitive issues that affects most collectibles:

As a rule, anything personally signed tends to be devalued by the personalization of the autograph.

Collectibles that are issued as a series are just that: collectible because they're part of a series. Nagel often personally signed non-collectibles for fans at gallery openings, usually personalizing, dating and signing the piece for them.  As such, those pieces (as with all collectibles) carry a more personal value to the recipient than they would on the open market.

It's not uncommon to see non-collectibles marketed as "rare, signed" pieces by Nagel, which actually turn out to be like the ones described above.

Bottom line: If it's signed to you, it's valuable to you. But on the open market, personalization tends to detract from an item's value.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Playboy Mansion Invites

Jason
 

Her family holds a serigraph with a signed dedication to Kerig. I've always stopped short of inquiring, as I know it's near and dear to her. Out of personal curiosity, does a personalized signature affect the valuation of S/N editions?

Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

Jason
 

Hello Monica!

I know you said you probably wouldn't sell, but it never hurts to ask. If you ever consider parting ways with 'Swimmers,' please keep me in mind.

They are likely next on my wish list. 

Re: Playboy Mansion Invites

 

Kerig Pope, one of the last survivors I was able to interview for the book, was extremely helpful in recalling the events that led Nagel to his wonderful relationship with Playboy.  His contributions to the book laid the foundation for that part of Nagel's life story.  

Pope was one of the originals who made Playboy as incredible as it was, for as long as he was there. The brand and its products degenerated badly after his and Hef's departure. Everyone I ever talked with had nothing but great things to say about Kerig.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Playboy Mansion Invites

Jason
 

I work with a fellow designer who was lovely enough to gift me these Hef invites. Former Playboy Art Direct Kerig Pope is a member of her family. He apparently vetted the many artists who came through the door at Playboy magazine.