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"Lorraine" on EBay

 

Greetings:

Just a quick note to let you know that the Lorraine on EBay has dropped its asking price -- and they're accepting offers.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

"Kristen" Breaks a record: $240K

 

Holy cow, Kristen canvas sold at auction for a quarter million.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com


Bank of America Traveler's Checks Posters (1978)

Cooper_Monster
 

Spotted these as available on eBay. Hadn't seen them before, and no, they're probably not worth the asking price at $450 (although they've got to be considerably rarer than some later works), but they're interesting for what he produced in 1978. Note how similar they are to the Gatsby pieces that were up a few months ago, then take a look at Casa Lupita and Iowa Agronomics - there's a definite evolution in style that happens rapidly at this point, and these aren't too far off from those early posters. Then also realize he's got basically 5 years of career left from this point. It's interesting to contemplate.

Re: Bank of America Traveler's Checks Posters (1978)

 

Nagel did TONS of advertising work, for a lot of large and small clients.  After all, he was doing ad illustration for close to ten years before he met Karl Bornstein, who started him on the "museum quality advertising" collectibles path.  As such, most of these posters were lithographs that were printed by the truckload.

That doesn't mean these aren't collectible for their content. And if Nagel's work continues to escalate in value, it doesn't mean that even his lithographs might increase in value.  After all, Alphons Mucha's lithographs sell for thousands today.

That having been said, I agree that at this point, $450 seems a bit pricey for these posters -- unless you love looking at them, which is totally fine, too.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Bank of America Traveler's Checks Posters (1978)

Cooper_Monster
 

One thing to remember about things that were mass produced on low quality paper - they weren't meant to be saved and usually weren't. So the number that survived in top notch condition, especially early in a career, are often worth quite a bit once a market develops. Over time, these disposables can become worth more than things produced for the collectors market simply because of rarity. The Mucha posters, or any early to mid 20th Century European advertising poster that's original now brings big dollars even though they were mass produced, because most of them were destroyed and a market has developed. I love the advertising posters E McKnight Kauffer did for various British firms like London Underground, various railways companies, and Shell Oil, but they're extremely expensive because so few survived and they weren't considered "art".  Those Victoria's Secret catalogs that flooded your mailbox for years - try looking at the prices on eBay. Even less than top notch copies from the late-1980s to mid-1990s can easily bring $20-$30 each at auction because most people did what you did - tossed them in the trash, used them for coasters, etc. Think of the thousands of dollars you threw away. Or think about the tons of "non--collectibles" that are sitting at garage sales and flea markets that have the potential to be worth something if you know what you're looking for. That Nagel sunglasses poster for $25 on eBay is going nowhere in value, but some mid-70s Nagel advertising posters at a garage sale for $5 each that no one has documented yet, that has potential.

Interesting comment from a Nagel art dealer

 

Greetings:

Saw this in another group and though you might find it interesting:

Hey guys, I just wanted to post something and let you all know prices on hand signed and numbered serigraphs Patrick Nagel are going up. I am seeing them go from anywhere from $1200-$2000. I think the more Patrick is in the news and auctions, the more demand there is. Simple economics actually... supply vs demand. 

Yes, I work for an art website but I never come here for business. (Yes buyers pay a markup, typically 20-25%) It started as research and I found myself intrigued. I always did like Patrick’s work but never consider buying. Now I am proud to say I’m a collector of Patrick Nagel. I will say that I do my best to make sure that what is sold where I work is hand signed and numbered from the edition of 250 or artist proof. Granted we do have some of the posters listed for sale and I make sure that people understand before they purchase what they are purchasing. And I am constantly telling people that they are overpriced based on current markets. My latest Nagel went to Ireland. I am seeing an increase in international traffic wanting to purchase. Thought you that a big collectors might find that appeasing. 

Anyway I just wanted to touch base with you all and let you know that the Serigraphs, hand signed and numbered from editions of 250, prices are going up. 

Y’all have a great night!

Best
Heather


Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Watch those listings!

 

Greetings:

Just a quick note, adding to past notices, to alert you to one nasty effect of the scarcity of collectible Nagel serigraphs out there:

As we see prices rise and supply diminish for lifetime, signed, numbered serigraphs (collectibles), we're also seeing an uptick in less than collectible pieces.  Most of the listing of collectibles have some kind of damage, including creases, water stains, fading and yellowing.  Relying on "matting" to hide these defects is a common claim, but a specious one that destroys any value you think is there. If you're going to plunk down money, make sure you buy best of breed.

Also, we're seeing a lot of deceptive descriptions in the listings, mainly by sellers who have no idea what they're selling. Lots of claims like "original," "rare" and such are anything but.

Finally, most sellers don't seem to understand that SIS pieces are not nearly as valuable as true collectibles, so watch out for fakes. Always make sure you see BOTH the number and the signature in pencil before you bid or buy. A lot of the time, the seller will post a shot of the SIS signature, not realizing it's a printed sig -- and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Be careful out there!

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Joan Collins Printer's Proof

Cooper_Monster
 

Re: Joan Collins Printer's Proof

 

The Joan Collins serigraph has always gotten short shrift from collectors, but as I mention in the book, I suspect that won't last long. Still, a P/P hardly merits an asking price of US$6,000.  There's a Kristen on Ebay for US$4,000 and (assuming it's real) a Gray Lady going for US$8,000, both of which are held in higher regard than Joan Collins.

I'd expect a more reasonable price to be in the $US1,200 to $US1,800 range at this point.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Joan Collins Printer's Proof

Heather Arender
 

Wow!! $6000 is very high! They are going up in prices but not near that. And  Joan always sells cheaper than the others from my eaperience.


On Jun 13, 2019, at 5:22 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

The Joan Collins serigraph has always gotten short shrift from collectors, but as I mention in the book, I suspect that won't last long. Still, a P/P hardly merits an asking price of US$6,000.  There's a Kristen on Ebay for US$4,000 and (assuming it's real) a Gray Lady going for US$8,000, both of which are held in higher regard than Joan Collins.

I'd expect a more reasonable price to be in the $US1,200 to $US1,800 range at this point.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Monica's Prints Valuation

 

Greetings:

If you've ever wanted a collectible Lorraine, you may want to check out this one, which was originally priced sky high, but is now listed at US$600 or best offer.  This is a good chance to steal a collectible, signed, numbered, lifetime serigraph at a reasonable, under-market price.  If you do bid, make it at least US$400, because anything less is getting refused.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

ANOTHER overpriced "Joan Collins"

 

Greetings:

You thought that US$6,000 was too much for a legitimate P/P of Joan Collins?  Well, there's a legit collectible, seemingly in its original frame, that is listed on EBay for -- get ready -- $US12,000.  It's 84/150.

This time, I thought the price was so ridiculous that I couldn't resist contacting the seller to educate her about the market. At first, she was incredibly snippy, but over the course of our exchange, she seemed to understand I was just trying to help.

Like her Lorraine, I expect the price on this one will  be adjusted accordingly.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com


Re: ANOTHER overpriced "Joan Collins"

Craig Blankenship
 

Holy cow !


On Jun 17, 2019, at 4:58 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Greetings:

You thought that US$6,000 was too much for a legitimate P/P of Joan Collins?  Well, there's a legit collectible, seemingly in its original frame, that is listed on EBay for -- get ready -- $US12,000.  It's 84/150.

This time, I thought the price was so ridiculous that I couldn't resist contacting the seller to educate her about the market. At first, she was incredibly snippy, but over the course of our exchange, she seemed to understand I was just trying to help.

Like her Lorraine, I expect the price on this one will  be adjusted accordingly.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

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Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

Monica Moynihan
 
Edited

Rob,
 
I would love your opinion on my prints. I unfortunately may need to let some go. You know what I have. #1s with Provenance. Thoughts? 
 
Monica 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:07 AM robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:
Greetings:

If you've ever wanted a collectible Lorraine, you may want to check out this one, which was originally priced sky high, but is now listed at US$600 or best offer.  This is a good chance to steal a collectible, signed, numbered, lifetime serigraph at a reasonable, under-market price.  If you do bid, make it at least US$400, because anything less is getting refused.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

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Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

 

Hi Monica:

(For those who probably don't know, Monica and I were both about to bid on Karl Bornstein's 30 piece estate of Nagel serigraphs, most of which were #1 in their respective series. We were the only two at the auction that were interested in bidding, so in order to save money, we agreed to bid together and split the lots at a later date. It worked. One of those times where cooperation saved the day!)

Now to your question:

Virtually all of the collectible pieces are easily at US$1,000to US$1,200 give or take. Probably more. That would obviously not include any SIS, of which there were a few. Of the pieces I took from that lot, only Iowa Agronomics was an SIS. 

If you're thinking of selling, feel free to post them here before you try EBay.  These are all good pieces!

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

Bryn
 

I'd be very interested in which pieces you are looking to sell :)


On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 7:16 PM robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:
Hi Monica:

(For those who probably don't know, Monica and I were both about to bid on Karl Bornstein's 30 piece estate of Nagel serigraphs, most of which were #1 in their respective series. We were the only two at the auction that were interested in bidding, so in order to save money, we agreed to bid together and split the lots at a later date. It worked. One of those times where cooperation saved the day!)

Now to your question:

Virtually all of the collectible pieces are easily at US$1,000to US$1,200 give or take. Probably more. That would obviously not include any SIS, of which there were a few. Of the pieces I took from that lot, only Iowa Agronomics was an SIS. 

If you're thinking of selling, feel free to post them here before you try EBay.  These are all good pieces!

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

Monica Moynihan
 
Edited

For Bryn and any other interested parties.
Ok here are the #1's from the Karl Bernstein estate that I took home after Rob and I split the pot, happily. I just am sitting on them and feel they go to someone who really wants them. I probably won't sell all of these but a few, so let the offers begin. 


Monica's list 

Mother’s Earth Paris 1/250 (WILL SELL) rare 

Just Looking 1/250 SOLD

Papilion State w/star 1/250 (unsure if I will sell) 

Texas 1/250 (probably won't sell)

Swimmers 1/250 (probably won't sell, its my name after all)

Hanson 1/250 SOLD to forum friend

Yochum Kay 1/250 SOLD to forum friend 

Sunglasses Foil 1/75 I think there are only 75 of these? Rare and iconic. (WILL SELL)

Mirage Reg 1/250 (WILLING to SELL)

Grumwald 1/250 (WILL to SELL)

Art Expo 1980 1/250 (WILLING to SELL)

Silver Sunbeam 1/250 (not sure yet, love)

Lorraine 1/250 (SOLD)

Art Expo NY 1981 1/250 (Willing to SELL)

Piedmont Graphics 1/250 (Willing to SELL)

Stanley Fimberg 1/250 (Willing to SELL)
I have a SIS collectors gallery, maybe two ? From KARL.
I have some weird metal MIRAGE thing. Don't even know what it is? ROB? 
I also have a AP NAGEL NAGEL (framed restored locally by expert, WILLING TO SELL) NOT FROM KARL. 

I may be willing to do a trade as well for something I want or a Lifetime graphic. 
I'm not in a rush and I won't sell cheaply. Rob has set the price between 1000-1200 for these lifetime serigraphs  and these are the #1's from Karl's estate. Please note:  I won't put in a shipping tube. You will need to pick up locally or send me what you want to flat ship or arrange with a shipper you trust nearby, so don't even ask me. They are flat and always have been. Stored carefully. Most all never seen the light of day but for a moment or two. Make me fair offer to consider or I might eBay one or two..

They are in as mint in color and condition as probably able considering their vintage and display of few hands at auction, with few exceptions. ( Art Expo 1980 has a minor, minor crease near a corner and slight edge crease so she is probably not be good enough to "float". Feel free to text me 310-429-2255 or email me and I will call you as it may make things easier.)
I will post some pics of Art Expo 1980 and some other goodies soon. I promise before exchange to take more pics of all if you ask). They are just tucked away at the moment, but I can get to them.


Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

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Hello how are you. I would be interested  in a few of ur Nagels.  I have  ur post before as "swimmersgirl"  if u are selling ur Venetian Blinds I would love to have a chance to buy it.   Also dont u have a signed sunglasses print?  Anyway my name is Andrew bloomer  and would love to know what ur hoping to sell. 

Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

flyinggardengnome
 

Hi Monica

Just want to clarify again, are you willing  to ship the prints (flat of course, that’s what I prefer too 😊) with a private courier (FedEx or DHL, preferably the latter) to me if I am keen to purchase? 

Thank you!

Regards
Chun Ping


On 18 Jun 2019, at 7:35 am, Monica Moynihan <monicaperkal@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Rob,
 
I would love your opinion on my prints. I unfortunately may need to let some go. You know what I have. #1s with Provenance. Thoughts? 
 
Monica 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:07 AM robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:
Greetings:

If you've ever wanted a collectible Lorraine, you may want to check out this one, which was originally priced sky high, but is now listed at US$600 or best offer.  This is a good chance to steal a collectible, signed, numbered, lifetime serigraph at a reasonable, under-market price.  If you do bid, make it at least US$400, because anything less is getting refused.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

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Re: Monica's Prints Valuation

Monica Moynihan
 

Yes I have a signed sunglasses print. The rare foil one. I will sell it for the right price. 
I am not selling Venetian Blinds, yet anyway.