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Re: Brilliant new original discovered

Susan del Barrio
 

I new Tracy well. Her father was connected in Vegas. She is a sweet person. Freddy gave me a few parts on the show HUNTER, thanks to Tracy.

 

On Feb 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

According to Barry Haun, it's Traci Viccaro Dryer.  Uncensored Playboy image:

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Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Brilliant new original discovered

 

According to Barry Haun, it's Traci Viccaro Dryer.  Uncensored Playboy image:



Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Brilliant new original discovered

Susan del Barrio
 

I love it!! Wonder who she is?


On Feb 9, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Craig Blankenship <Craig@...> wrote:

Price ?


On Feb 9, 2019, at 1:10 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Holy cow! Look what just surfaced after decades! Stunning acrylic on board.

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Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Brilliant new original discovered

 

Here's the actual page:




Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Brilliant new original discovered

 

Correction:

The piece actually appeared in the March, 1984, issue of the Playboy Forum

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

"Casa Lupita" A/P on EBAY

 

Greetings:

An A/P of Casa Lupita, one of Nagel's most beautiful, early works is up for sale on EBAY right now for a Buy it Now price of US$998.  That's not bad at all, and could even get lower if you make an offer.



Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Brilliant new original discovered

 

The piece measures about 9" x 12" and was apparently featured in the October, 1984, issue of Playboy, which was obviously published after Nagel died.  It was supposedly purchased by John Taylor of Duran Duran in some transaction back then, which is weird, because Playboy was intent on holding as much of Nagel's work as it could -- if it could -- after the Copyright Act of 1977.  This actually may explain how it fell into private hands:  If Nagel had renegotiated his deal with Playboy to retain all rights to his works after 1978, the piece might have been returned to him (or his estate by that time) after it had been published.

In any event, the piece is expected to go for US$20K+, which wouldn't surprise me.  Look for at least US$25K.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Brilliant new original discovered

Craig Blankenship
 

Price ?


On Feb 9, 2019, at 1:10 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Holy cow! Look what just surfaced after decades! Stunning acrylic on board.

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Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Brilliant new original discovered

 

Holy cow! Look what just surfaced after decades! Stunning acrylic on board.



Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

Craig Blankenship
 

I own some A/Ps.   It’s labeled as A/P.  Certainly , I would think (but could be wrong) that if someone was going to forge these things , they would at least do their homework....but who knows ?


On Feb 4, 2019, at 8:21 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

....and after all that, the piece was removed from EBay.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

DancinCrow01@gmail.com
 

Perfect, thanks for the update!!

Peter aka Dancincrow


On Feb 4, 2019, at 8:21 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

....and after all that, the piece was removed from EBay.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

 

....and after all that, the piece was removed from EBay.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Troll attack. Help please?

Aimee Wendt
 

Man I’m having to sit on my hands and not write a review about his review lol. I will write something up as I do have the book. Also on a side note: it’s interesting what you can learn about a person from what they buy and review. 

Lilu 


On Jan 30, 2019, at 5:41 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Well, it's the internet, and being what it is, there are no filters and even fewer remedies.  Clicking Amazon's "abuse" link apparently does nothing, but prepending the book description may have mitigate the influence.  I have also commented on his ridiculous rant, for whatever good that may do.

As for the conversion process, I can't tell you how it was done.  I can tell you how it wasn't done:  It wasn't scanned digitally, that's for sure.  Considering that any work Nagel did was prior to 1984, and that he used various analog processes to enlarge and compose images (those are described in the book), my best guess, combined with my interviews, suggest that in all likelihood Nagel used projection of images on to larger media.  From there, it would have been a simple matter of going about creating the different plates as he would have done for any other serigraph.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

 

Um, I think the seller may have misunderstood Jennifer's comment.  While it is true that "no number" could be construed as "No number = some kind of Proof," this piece had no indication of any number or proof.  There's no photo of the lower right hand corner, but again, it's being signed in white on a dark background would seem to indicate that this is not a collectible Gray Lady.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

DancinCrow01@gmail.com
 

So just a quick update on “Gray Lady” Ebay listing - I asked the seller for the Dimensions, also for any info on the Signature & Number of the edition as well as pointing out the mistake in the details being the incorrect artist name.  His response was - 


"OMG! Thank you! HA! I can get The dimensions later today. I need to also take numbered out. I spoke to Jennifer Dumas and she told me that if it’s not numbered then it’s an artists proof.
Thanks for the heads up. New at this :)”


So not sure what to think really
P


On Jan 30, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Cooper_Monster <rkanyok@...> wrote:

I don't think this is a "fake", it's simply a misrepresentation. Take a look at the signature on the Classic Visions print, it's in exactly the same location. This is most likely just that print with the top and bottom banding matted out.

I'm not an expert, but was anything on the prints ever signed in anything other than pencil? If it's S-I-S or looks like a pen, I'm thinking you almost always know it's not a S/N edition.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Signed-Nagel-Gray-Lady-Print-1982/323507654878?hash=item4b528f10de:g:uNsAAOSw1vVbolhN:rk:14:pf:0

FWIW, I do have a two genuine lifetime prints, one no S-I-S, fake signature as well as a no S-I-S, no signature print, both of the Wasserman Silk Screen Co "Standing Lady". As we discussed several months ago, I suspect they're undestroyed reject prints that made their way out the back door. Could make an interesting addition for the Nagel collector who wants everything.


Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

Cooper_Monster
 

I don't think this is a "fake", it's simply a misrepresentation. Take a look at the signature on the Classic Visions print, it's in exactly the same location. This is most likely just that print with the top and bottom banding matted out.

I'm not an expert, but was anything on the prints ever signed in anything other than pencil? If it's S-I-S or looks like a pen, I'm thinking you almost always know it's not a S/N edition.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Signed-Nagel-Gray-Lady-Print-1982/323507654878?hash=item4b528f10de:g:uNsAAOSw1vVbolhN:rk:14:pf:0

FWIW, I do have a two genuine lifetime prints, one no S-I-S, fake signature as well as a no S-I-S, no signature print, both of the Wasserman Silk Screen Co "Standing Lady". As we discussed several months ago, I suspect they're undestroyed reject prints that made their way out the back door. Could make an interesting addition for the Nagel collector who wants everything.

Re: Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

Heather Arender
 

Isn’t that interesting. Always when buying artwork ask for photo of entire artwork, along with closeup of Edition number and signature. I like to always have them resend me dimensions as well 😁🤪


On Jan 30, 2019, at 8:37 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Greetings:

As you know, Gray Lady is one of Nagel's most sought-after collectible serigraphs. Only 90 were made (not counting the X/Ps) and nobody knows how many of those are still around.  One thing we do know is that more than one Gray Lady has been faked, counterfeited and palmed off to unsuspecting dupes who were lured into what they thought was a great deal.

This may be one of them.

On EBay, there's a Gray Lady that seems a little weird.  Despite the seller's claim that he "contacted the Nagel gallery and spoke to his wife Jennifer; She confirmed that this serigraph is a limited edition. 1 of 90 signed and numbered published in 3/1982," he doesn't explain why Nagel's signature appears in the dark portion of the image, instead of in pencil on the white border where genuine Gray Lady is signed.  Also, there is no photo of the piece's number.  Finally, there's no mention of the piece's dimensions.

Did I mention the seller lists the artist's name as Richard Nagel?

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Fake "Gray Lady" on EBay?

 

Greetings:

As you know, Gray Lady is one of Nagel's most sought-after collectible serigraphs. Only 90 were made (not counting the X/Ps) and nobody knows how many of those are still around.  One thing we do know is that more than one Gray Lady has been faked, counterfeited and palmed off to unsuspecting dupes who were lured into what they thought was a great deal.

This may be one of them.

On EBay, there's a Gray Lady that seems a little weird.  Despite the seller's claim that he "contacted the Nagel gallery and spoke to his wife Jennifer; She confirmed that this serigraph is a limited edition. 1 of 90 signed and numbered published in 3/1982," he doesn't explain why Nagel's signature appears in the dark portion of the image, instead of in pencil on the white border where genuine Gray Lady is signed.  Also, there is no photo of the piece's number.  Finally, there's no mention of the piece's dimensions.

Did I mention the seller lists the artist's name as Richard Nagel?

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Troll attack. Help please?

 

Well, it's the internet, and being what it is, there are no filters and even fewer remedies.  Clicking Amazon's "abuse" link apparently does nothing, but prepending the book description may have mitigate the influence.  I have also commented on his ridiculous rant, for whatever good that may do.

As for the conversion process, I can't tell you how it was done.  I can tell you how it wasn't done:  It wasn't scanned digitally, that's for sure.  Considering that any work Nagel did was prior to 1984, and that he used various analog processes to enlarge and compose images (those are described in the book), my best guess, combined with my interviews, suggest that in all likelihood Nagel used projection of images on to larger media.  From there, it would have been a simple matter of going about creating the different plates as he would have done for any other serigraph.

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com

Re: Troll attack. Help please?

Craig Blankenship
 

I haven’t read the book but would gladly leave one if I had.   

I read that fellows review.   I would say he has an ax to grind .  Can’t you post an editor note or something after his review ? Reading made me want to ask a question ...

I own both Seated Man and Casa Lupita , acrylic on board.   How did these go from acrylic on board to the serigraph stage ?  What’s the technical process ?

Thanks 
Craig 


On Jan 30, 2019, at 12:38 PM, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

Well, it seems our little countache troll is out in the ether, doing what he can to troll whatever accounts I have, including the Amazon link for the book.  It's the internet, which means anyone can post anything, and Amazon isn't terribly quick to resolve these things.

If it's not too much trouble, for those of you who have not left a positive review for the book, it sure would be helpful if you left one now.

To those who already have, thank you.  I appreciate it.

Leave your review at:  https://www.amazon.com/Artist-Who-Loved-Women-Incredible/dp/6926859280

Rob Frankel
TheArtistWhoLovedWomen.com