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Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Jack Schilling <schilling.jack@...>
Hello Peter,
This photo excerpt from a Jim Kranefeld article in a 1986 NRHS Bulletin provides a bit of background on PRR 6028. My apologies for the poor image quality.
6028 was built for the WJ&S in 1914 and, apparently, remained a WJ&S asset in the PRSL years.
Regards, Jack Schilling
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:20 PM Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...> wrote: Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Jack Schilling <schilling.jack@...>
Hello Peter,
This photo excerpt from a Jim Kranefeld article in a 1986 NRHS Bulletin provides a bit of background on PRR 6028. My apologies for the poor image quality.
6028 was built for the WJ&S in 1914 and, apparently, remained a WJ&S asset in the PRSL years.
Regards, Jack Schilling
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:20 PM Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...> wrote: Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Greg Kashella <Hef53@...>
The article shows how the PRR recycled engine numbers. 1361 was an Atlantic then was reused on a K-4
Attached is a picture of my O gauge 6092
Greg Kashella
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 at 8:11 AM
From: "Jack Schilling" <schilling.jack@...>
To: "Peter Gentieu" <prsl1953@...>
Cc: "PRSL Historical Society" <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Hello Peter,
This photo excerpt from a Jim Kranefeld article in a 1986 NRHS Bulletin provides a bit of background on PRR 6028. My apologies for the poor image quality.
6028 was built for the WJ&S in 1914 and, apparently, remained a WJ&S asset in the PRSL years.
Regards,
Jack Schilling
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:20 PM Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...> wrote:
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Greg Kashella <Hef53@...>
Sorry my mistake, misread 1351 as 1361, but he PRR did recycle number. I should have thought 1361 K-4 was 1918 so it would have had its own number
Greg
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:53 AM
From: "Greg Kashella" <Hef53@...>
To: "Jack Schilling" <schilling.jack@...>
Cc: "Peter Gentieu" <prsl1953@...>, "PRSL Historical Society" <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
The article shows how the PRR recycled engine numbers. 1361 was an Atlantic then was reused on a K-4
Attached is a picture of my O gauge 6092
Greg Kashella
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 at 8:11 AM
From: "Jack Schilling" <schilling.jack@...>
To: "Peter Gentieu" <prsl1953@...>
Cc: "PRSL Historical Society" <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Hello Peter,
This photo excerpt from a Jim Kranefeld article in a 1986 NRHS Bulletin provides a bit of background on PRR 6028. My apologies for the poor image quality.
6028 was built for the WJ&S in 1914 and, apparently, remained a WJ&S asset in the PRSL years.
Regards,
Jack Schilling
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:20 PM Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
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From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:03 AM
To: peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>; prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
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From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Don, That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Don Lee <donlee48@...> wrote:
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:03 AM
To: peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>; prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Jack Schilling <schilling.jack@...>
The attached snippet of a 1900 map of Atlantic City rail lines, shows a WJ&S station at lower right - between S. Carolina, N. Carolina, Atlantic and Arctic Avenues.
Jack Schilling
Don, That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society < members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
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From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:29 AM
To: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Don Lee <donlee48@...> wrote:
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:03 AM
To: peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>; prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
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From: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
To: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:29 AM
To: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Don Lee <donlee48@...> wrote:
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:03 AM
To: peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>; prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer
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From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
To: donlee48@... <donlee48@...>; peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; members@... <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
"Bingo"
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
To: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:29 AM
To: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Don Lee <donlee48@...> wrote:
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:03 AM
To: peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>; prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Don't know. I figured it was an old pronunciation. My parents always called the state R-Kansas.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 12:59 PM
To: donlee48@... <donlee48@...>; peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer
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From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
To: donlee48@... <donlee48@...>; peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; members@... <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
"Bingo"
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
To: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:29 AM
To: Don Lee <donlee48@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>; John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Don Lee <donlee48@...> wrote:
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
From: John Peters <boomerjdpeters@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:03 AM
To: peachkoblerpie@... <peachkoblerpie@...>; prsl1953@... <prsl1953@...>
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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M. Mitchell Marmel <marmelmm@...>
Speaking as a long-term resident of Arkansas (20 years next September), my adoptive home state is called "Ar-kan-SAW", while the river is called "Ar-KAN-sas" by us Ar-KAN-sans. Mainly to tell 'em apart, near as I can tell. :D
Mitch
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:30 PM Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote:
Don't know. I figured it was an old pronunciation. My parents always called the state R-Kansas.
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer
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From: John Peters < boomerjdpeters@...>
To: donlee48@... < donlee48@...>; peachkoblerpie@... < peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... < prsl1953@...>; members@... < members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
"Bingo"
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Lee < donlee48@...>
To: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...>
Cc: prsl1953@... < prsl1953@...>; John Peters < boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... < members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society < members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
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Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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I guess pronunciation is in the mouth of the speaker. Take three cities spelled Newark. New Jersey is Newerk. Delaware is New Ark. Ohio is Nerk.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 4:00 PM
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Speaking as a long-term resident of Arkansas (20 years next September), my adoptive home state is called "Ar-kan-SAW", while the river is called "Ar-KAN-sas" by us Ar-KAN-sans. Mainly to tell 'em apart, near as I can tell. :D
Mitch
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:30 PM Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote:
Don't know. I figured it was an old pronunciation. My parents always called the state R-Kansas.
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer
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"Bingo"
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In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
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From: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society < members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Old timers in Atlantic City for some strange reason always pronounced it R Kansas Avenue. Trolley operators and later bus operators on Atlantic Avenue would call out the stop at R Kansas Ave. For many years, I worked in Convention Hall in Atlantic City. During the Miss America Pageant in Convention Hall, the Arkansas delegation with Miss Arkansas would laugh like hell when they found out about it or heard it. And being the jokester with a sense of humor that I was, I made sure they and Miss Arkansas heard about it every year....lol....
Funny thing, very few true natives from the old days {I've lived here 70 of my 77 years} still live in Atlantic City or the surrounding area. They've mostly died off or moved away. Nobody here says R Kansas Avenue anymore. Now, even the interior announcements on the local N. J. Transit buses have the correct pronunciation.
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 4:31:28 PM EDT, Don Lee <donlee48@...> wrote:
I guess pronunciation is in the mouth of the speaker. Take three cities spelled Newark. New Jersey is Newerk. Delaware is New Ark. Ohio is Nerk.
From: M. Mitchell Marmel <marmelmm@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 4:00 PM
Cc: members@... <members@...>
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Speaking as a long-term resident of Arkansas (20 years next September), my adoptive home state is called "Ar-kan-SAW", while the river is called "Ar-KAN-sas" by us Ar-KAN-sans. Mainly to tell 'em apart, near as I can tell. :D
Mitch
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:30 PM Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote:
Don't know. I figured it was an old pronunciation. My parents always called the state R-Kansas.
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer
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"Bingo"
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Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina
Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack
fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line
of coaches shows here.
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
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From: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society < members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed
by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Michael Sirotta <msirt@...>
I remember "R Kansas" pronunciation from the jitney drivers and trolley motormen. My dad was born in Atlantic City in 1910 (sole surviving child of immigrants). Stayed through High School, then went off to college and medical school. After serving in the Army medical corps during the 2nd WW, he opened a family practice in Paulsboro (Glouscester county), where I grew up. But every summer in the’50’s thru the 70’s he’d rent an apartment in AC for the whole summer, first in what was once the President Hotel on Albany Ave. (the President had full summer rentals available - I remember the rooms were equipped with both fresh water and hot salt water baths!). Then he rented a floor in one of the porched houses in Ventnor, and finally landed in an apartment in the Warwick on Raleigh Ave. This he later bought when the building went condo. When he retired from his practice he lived there year-round through the ’80’s. He was essentially an Atlantic City boy for most of his life and I spent many a summer there. Had a summer job for 2 years driving motorized Seidel rolling chairs in the evenings after setting up the push chairs along the boardwalk railing (Al Seidel made a business of lining up his fleet of the old manual chairs along the rail opposite the Ambassador hotel and renting each for the season to customers who would come just to sit and watch passers by in the evenings - my folks rented one.)
So, you’ve uncorked some memories, but long story short, I do remember "R Kansas” being called out while riding in one of the rarely seen, except in really high season, older Brill streetcars (sometimes painted moving billboards). I’m old enough to remember those.
Old timers in Atlantic City for some strange reason always pronounced it R Kansas Avenue. Trolley operators and later bus operators on Atlantic Avenue would call out the stop at R Kansas Ave. For many years, I worked in Convention Hall in Atlantic City. During the Miss America Pageant in Convention Hall, the Arkansas delegation with Miss Arkansas would laugh like hell when they found out about it or heard it. And being the jokester with a sense of humor that I was, I made sure they and Miss Arkansas heard about it every year....lol....
Funny thing, very few true natives from the old days {I've lived here 70 of my 77 years} still live in Atlantic City or the surrounding area. They've mostly died off or moved away. Nobody here says R Kansas Avenue anymore. Now, even the interior announcements on the local N. J. Transit buses have the correct pronunciation.
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 4:31:28 PM EDT, Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote:
I guess pronunciation is in the mouth of the speaker. Take three cities spelled Newark. New Jersey is Newerk. Delaware is New Ark. Ohio is Nerk.
Speaking as a long-term resident of Arkansas (20 years next September), my adoptive home state is called "Ar-kan-SAW", while the river is called "Ar-KAN-sas" by us Ar-KAN-sans. Mainly to tell 'em apart, near as I can tell. :D
Mitch On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:30 PM Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote: Don't know. I figured it was an old pronunciation. My parents always called the state R-Kansas.
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer -----Original Message----- From: John Peters < boomerjdpeters@...> To: donlee48@... < donlee48@...>; peachkoblerpie@... < peachkoblerpie@...> Cc: prsl1953@... < prsl1953@...>; members@... < members@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 12:40 pm Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo "Bingo" -----Original Message----- From: Don Lee < donlee48@...> To: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...> Cc: prsl1953@... < prsl1953@...>; John Peters < boomerjdpeters@...>; members@... < members@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
Don, That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr. This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line of coaches shows here. <image.png>
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee ! -----Original Message----- From: John Peters < peachkoblerpie@...> To: Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...> Cc: PRSL Historical Society < members@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr. On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Thanks everyone............................Boomer
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Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2022 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
I remember "R Kansas" pronunciation from the jitney drivers and trolley motormen. My dad was born in Atlantic City in 1910 (sole surviving child of immigrants). Stayed through High School, then went off to college and medical school. After serving in the Army medical corps during the 2nd WW, he opened a family practice in Paulsboro (Glouscester county), where I grew up. But every summer in the’50’s thru the 70’s he’d rent an apartment in AC for the whole summer, first in what was once the President Hotel on Albany Ave. (the President had full summer rentals available - I remember the rooms were equipped with both fresh water and hot salt water baths!). Then he rented a floor in one of the porched houses in Ventnor, and finally landed in an apartment in the Warwick on Raleigh Ave. This he later bought when the building went condo. When he retired from his practice he lived there year-round through the ’80’s. He was essentially an Atlantic City boy for most of his life and I spent many a summer there. Had a summer job for 2 years driving motorized Seidel rolling chairs in the evenings after setting up the push chairs along the boardwalk railing (Al Seidel made a business of lining up his fleet of the old manual chairs along the rail opposite the Ambassador hotel and renting each for the season to customers who would come just to sit and watch passers by in the evenings - my folks rented one.)
So, you’ve uncorked some memories, but long story short, I do remember "R Kansas” being called out while riding in one of the rarely seen, except in really high season, older Brill streetcars (sometimes painted moving billboards). I’m old enough to remember those.
Old timers in Atlantic City for some strange reason always pronounced it R Kansas Avenue. Trolley operators and later bus operators on Atlantic Avenue would call out the stop at R Kansas Ave. For many years, I worked in Convention Hall in Atlantic City. During the Miss America Pageant in Convention Hall, the Arkansas delegation with Miss Arkansas would laugh like hell when they found out about it or heard it. And being the jokester with a sense of humor that I was, I made sure they and Miss Arkansas heard about it every year....lol....
Funny thing, very few true natives from the old days {I've lived here 70 of my 77 years} still live in Atlantic City or the surrounding area. They've mostly died off or moved away. Nobody here says R Kansas Avenue anymore. Now, even the interior announcements on the local N. J. Transit buses have the correct pronunciation.
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 4:31:28 PM EDT, Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote:
I guess pronunciation is in the mouth of the speaker. Take three cities spelled Newark. New Jersey is Newerk. Delaware is New Ark. Ohio is Nerk.
Speaking as a long-term resident of Arkansas (20 years next September), my adoptive home state is called "Ar-kan-SAW", while the river is called "Ar-KAN-sas" by us Ar-KAN-sans. Mainly to tell 'em apart, near as I can tell. :D
Mitch
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:30 PM Don Lee < donlee48@...> wrote:
Don't know. I figured it was an old pronunciation. My parents always called the state R-Kansas.
Why did all the P-RSL men mispronounce Arkansas Ave R Kansas ?
Boomer
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Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
"Bingo"
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Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
In the year after the creation of the PRSL, Atlantic City became somewhat of an operational nightmare. Yes, traffic was down due to the bridges over the Delaware. Surviving trains of both the Reading and PRR had to be moved to the inadequate South Carolina Ave. station to permit construction of Union Station that blocked access to the former ACRR station.
Don,
That makes sense. At first I thought it might be the Tennessee Station, but lack of 3rd rail ruled that out.
John Sr.
This location is near the throat of the former WJ&S South Carolina Ave. station in Atlantic City. The engine is facing northbound and is on one of the station stub end tracks. The two tracks in the foreground continued north to the inlet and did have an intertrack fence. The buildings in the background are on Arctic Ave.
The photo below is a snip from a YouTube video. It is from the South Carolina Ave. end of the station. Note the intertrack fence that matches the fence in the previous photo. The PRSL engine would have been coupled to a track of coaches where the roof line of coaches shows here.
Thinking old RDG station in Atlantic City before new "union" station opened in 1934.................but were engines stenciled P-RSL that early ? Or old West Jersey Station...................Don Lee !
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From: John Peters <peachkoblerpie@...>
To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
Cc: PRSL Historical Society <members@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2022 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Flickr website PRSL photo
Peter,
There aren’t many places on the PRSL with several platforms. Atlantic City had no inter-track fence. My guess would be Federal Street Camden, but the buildings are throwing me off, so I’m not positive. It is possible that the locomotive was loaned or borrowed by the PRR possibly outside of Philadelphia?
Hopefully my father or Don Lee will recognize the location.
J.C. Peters Sr.
On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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Just noticed the 6028 still has a keystone number plate, to be changed out to the original round one
Boomer
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To: Peter Gentieu <prsl1953@...>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2022 8:11 am
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Hello Peter,
This photo excerpt from a Jim Kranefeld article in a 1986 NRHS Bulletin provides a bit of background on PRR 6028. My apologies for the poor image quality.
6028 was built for the WJ&S in 1914 and, apparently, remained a WJ&S asset in the PRSL years.
Regards,
Jack Schilling
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:20 PM Peter Gentieu < prsl1953@...> wrote:
Can someone identify the location of this photo?
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