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Re: Si570 Set Frequency

wb6ogd
 

The Si570 is a tricky beast!
Craig AA0ZZ conquered the programming using pre-calculated tables like Nick said.

Silicon Labs has an app note that has C code for one of their microcontroller chips.
I was able to port that to a PIC using Microchip's free C compiler but it took up almost
all the memory  :(

BUT Arduino's run C and pretty efficiently.  I would get the app note and port it to
Arduino.  The actual code that sets the frequency is only a few lines.  It is probably
not as fast as the integer calculation/table method.

If you could use the Si5351, there are Arduino libraries available to do it.  Is easy,
I have been using the Etherkit library and board for a few years now.

I have both an AD9851 (DDS-60) and Si5351 in my PHSNA using modified Nick code
with LCD and encoder for local standalone.  It is my favorite piece of test equipment,
thanks to Nick and PHSNA group!!
Code is posted in the Files area.
73,
Gary
WB6OGD

On 4/14/2019 1:55 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote:
For this program it might take a bit of work. The program is set up to have
pre-calculated register values for all frequency ranges within the
specified limits, so the amount of calculation required for a small change
within a band is minimized. So you would need to expand the tables of
values all the way up to your desired 440 MHz limit to continue with that
method.

There's no reason you couldn't do it, but you'd have to study the code
(and/or the AA0ZZ QEX article) a bit to understand how the tables are
constructed.

I have expanded this basic program to one that includes display, rotary
encoder, TX/RX offset and so on, but I haven't expanded the frequency
limits because the version of the Si570 that I'm using is only specified to
160 MHz.

Good luck with it.

73-

NIck, WA5BDU

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Alfredo Mendiola Loyola via Groups.Io
<mendiola_loyola=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello:

I have found this Arduino code to set the Frequency on a si570 oscillator
but it has a max frequency of 157 Mhz (#define ULIMIT 157000000UL),

Is there a way to modify the source code to make it work until 440 Mhz ?

I would like to set frequencies from 430 to 440 mhz.

http://pages.suddenlink.net/wa5bdu/Si570_New.ino

Regards
Alfredo Mendiola
OA4AJP



Re: Si570 Set Frequency

Nick Kennedy
 

For this program it might take a bit of work. The program is set up to have
pre-calculated register values for all frequency ranges within the
specified limits, so the amount of calculation required for a small change
within a band is minimized. So you would need to expand the tables of
values all the way up to your desired 440 MHz limit to continue with that
method.

There's no reason you couldn't do it, but you'd have to study the code
(and/or the AA0ZZ QEX article) a bit to understand how the tables are
constructed.

I have expanded this basic program to one that includes display, rotary
encoder, TX/RX offset and so on, but I haven't expanded the frequency
limits because the version of the Si570 that I'm using is only specified to
160 MHz.

Good luck with it.

73-

NIck, WA5BDU

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Alfredo Mendiola Loyola via Groups.Io
<mendiola_loyola=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello:

I have found this Arduino code to set the Frequency on a si570 oscillator
but it has a max frequency of 157 Mhz (#define ULIMIT 157000000UL),

Is there a way to modify the source code to make it work until 440 Mhz ?

I would like to set frequencies from 430 to 440 mhz.

http://pages.suddenlink.net/wa5bdu/Si570_New.ino

Regards
Alfredo Mendiola
OA4AJP



Re: Si570 Set Frequency

Ricardo Caratti
 

Try it:

Where did you see
#define ULIMIT 157000000UL

replace to
#define ULIMIT 440000000UL

The last band starts on 135MHz. You might need to change this value
too on this code:
uint32_t SiBandTable[24] =
{10000000, 11000000, 12000000, 13000000, 15000000, 17000000, 19000000,
21000000, 23000000, 25000000, 28000000, 32000000, 36000000, 41000000,
47000000, 54000000, 61000000, 70000000, 81000000, 90000000,
101000000,
111000000, 128000000, *135000000*};

Try to replace the values of the bands to values of your goal.

73.



On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 2:59 PM Alfredo Mendiola Loyola via Groups.Io
<mendiola_loyola=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello:

I have found this Arduino code to set the Frequency on a si570 oscillator
but it has a max frequency of 157 Mhz (#define ULIMIT 157000000UL),

Is there a way to modify the source code to make it work until 440 Mhz ?

I would like to set frequencies from 430 to 440 mhz.

http://pages.suddenlink.net/wa5bdu/Si570_New.ino

Regards
Alfredo Mendiola
OA4AJP



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Si570 Set Frequency

Alfredo Mendiola Loyola
 

Hello:

I have found this Arduino code to set the Frequency on a si570 oscillator but it has a max frequency of 157 Mhz (#define ULIMIT 157000000UL),

Is there a way to modify the source code to make it work until 440 Mhz ?

I would like to set frequencies from 430 to 440 mhz.

http://pages.suddenlink.net/wa5bdu/Si570_New.ino

Regards
Alfredo Mendiola
OA4AJP

Re: Shielding for Power meter?

wb6ogd
 

Wow Mike,
I thought you attached the wrong photo at first...  OMG, you do pro work!!
73,
Gary
WB6OGD

On 2/25/2019 6:37 PM, K5ESS wrote:
I used tin plated steel sheet from Hobby Lobby. It cuts easily and solders very well. See attached on right side.
Mike
K5ESS

-----Original Message-----
From: PHSNA@groups.io [mailto:PHSNA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben Pharr
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:45 AM
To: PHSNA@groups.io
Subject: [PHSNA] Shielding for Power meter?

I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N




Re: Shielding for Power meter?

Ronald Morrison
 

Some of the guitar parts supply places sell an adhesive backed copper foil that is much wider.  I bought a roll of 2 3/8" wide foil tape.  Great for shielding or for making pcbs from perf board, etc. Even add a side of copper to a single sided pcb.
Ron, K5DUZ

On Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 12:03:09 AM CST, jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The last copper foil I bought  (1/2" wide 60' roll), about 20 years ago at a stained glass shop ..Do they even have those  anymore?
Lots of it on Amazon

Jim

    On Monday, February 25, 2019, 7:44:47 AM PST, Ben Pharr <bnp@...> wrote:

I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N

Re: Shielding for Power meter?

jim
 

The last copper foil I bought  (1/2" wide 60' roll), about 20 years ago at a stained glass shop ..Do they even have those  anymore?
Lots of it on Amazon

Jim

On Monday, February 25, 2019, 7:44:47 AM PST, Ben Pharr <bnp@...> wrote:

I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N

Re: Shielding for Power meter?

K5ESS
 

I used tin plated steel sheet from Hobby Lobby. It cuts easily and solders very well. See attached on right side.
Mike
K5ESS

-----Original Message-----
From: PHSNA@groups.io [mailto:PHSNA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben Pharr
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:45 AM
To: PHSNA@groups.io
Subject: [PHSNA] Shielding for Power meter?

I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N

Re: Shielding for Power meter?

Nick Kennedy
 

I don't want to speak for him but I think Jim said he didn't notice much
difference with and without the foil. It sure looks cool though.

I'd suggest that Hobby Lobby might have copper foil or sheets of proper
thickness for the job.

73-

Nick, WA5BDU

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Ben Pharr <bnp@...> wrote:

I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble
it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of
copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions
on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N



Re: Shielding for Power meter?

EB4APL
 

Copper foil is good, but you can also use tin foil recovered from a beer can (one that is not made from aluminum) Remove the paint and cut it to size with a pair of scissors.

73 de

Ignacio, EB4APL

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El 25/02/2019 a las 19:52, wb6ogd escribió:
I don't know if it fits his board, but I made my custom board to use a copper pipe cap from the hardware store,
see attached...
73,
Gary
WB6OGD


On 2/25/2019 7:44 AM, Ben Pharr wrote:
I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N



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Re: Shielding for Power meter?

wb6ogd
 

I don't know if it fits his board, but I made my custom board to use a copper pipe cap from the hardware store,
see attached...
73,
Gary
WB6OGD

On 2/25/2019 7:44 AM, Ben Pharr wrote:
I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N

Shielding for Power meter?

Ben Pharr
 

I have one of N5IB's power meter boards and I'm almost ready to assemble it. What kind of material do I need to shield the SMD section? Some sort of copper foil I'm assuming? Can someone give me some specs? Any suggestions on where I can buy some?

Thanks,
Ben
WF5N

Re: AD9850/51 module pc boards

Clifford Heath
 

I've been reviewing the designs and messages about the output stages and low-pass filters, and there's something that I haven't seen mentioned here.

The DAC in DDS chips like the AD985x is what's called a "current steering" DAC; it runs off a constant current source (controlled by Rset) and it steers the constant current between IOUT and IOUTB.

What that means is that any impedance asymmetry in the connections to IOUT and IOUTB turns into an RF current in the chip's power supply. To terminate one of these into a resister and the other into a passive LPF means the harmonics rejected by the filter come out on the power supply. Maybe they are adequately decoupled there, maybe not. But it reduces the quality of the harmonic rejection possible, no matter how good the LPF is. If both IOUT and IOUTB see the exact same impedance curve, there is minimal RF current to decouple at the power supply.

This error appears in the manufacturer's evaluation boards, both Type 1 and Type 2 modules (I think?), in AN-557, in the DDS-60, and has been propagated to most other implementations.

Terry's PCB design looks good, the use of a transformer is a suitable approach; though not perfect for a signal generator due to the low frequency performance of the magnetics it's probably fine for the PHSNA.

However, with a fast op-amp (e.g. AD8008), you can feed both currents into a summing amplifier before the LPF and get the identical impedance on both DDS outputs. The summing amplifier then drives the LPF, and can also provide enough gain to drive the output also, killing two birds with one stone - and it works down to DC.

BTW, I came across this issue when researching different applications of the AD9959 quad-DDS, which has a 500MHz core (good to 200MHz output). Any asymmetric currents cause cross-talk between the channels, and some of the boards don't handle this correctly. The official EVB uses transformers (4 at $10 each!). The cheap module I bought is fully asymmetric, but some use fast op-amps (cheaper than transformers). One module even provides two channels with transformers and two with op-amps. But it shows that designers using AD9959 are aware of this issue, which also affects AD9850/1 to a lesser degree (no on-chip cross-talk).

Clifford Heath, VK3CLF.

Re: Testing the Measurement Rcvr

Tony Jaques
 

Sorry it's been a few days.
Thank you to Dave and Mike. Both groups look interesting, especially the HBTE one.
Tony...

Re: Testing the Measurement Rcvr

K5ESS
 

Check out the group at HBTE@groups.io. There is currently a discussion about a spec anal built mostly out of ebay modules and workable up to 2 GHz.
Mike
K5ESS

-----Original Message-----
From: PHSNA@groups.io [mailto:PHSNA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:41 PM
To: PHSNA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [PHSNA] Testing the Measurement Rcvr

Tony:
There is a Yahoo group


Spectrum Analyzer Projects

It is mainly for the Scotty Spectrum Analyzer, but some general
discussion also.

Dave - WB6DHW



On 1/9/2019 12:10 PM, Tony Jaques wrote:
Hi Nigel,
I am part way through doing a Specan and it would be interesting to communicate about it. But obviously the PHSNA group is not the place to do it. There does not seem to be a group, but for now I have just joined the BITX20 group in the hope that they might create a section.
Apologies toPHSNA. My only excuse is that I have built two - one with Gary's sweep mods.

Tony (G3PTD)




Re: Testing the Measurement Rcvr

Dave
 

Tony:
  There is a Yahoo group


Spectrum Analyzer Projects

  It is mainly for the Scotty Spectrum Analyzer, but some general discussion also.

Dave - WB6DHW

On 1/9/2019 12:10 PM, Tony Jaques wrote:
Hi Nigel,
I am part way through doing a Specan and it would be interesting to communicate about it. But obviously the PHSNA group is not the place to do it. There does not seem to be a group, but for now I have just joined the BITX20 group in the hope that they might create a section.
Apologies toPHSNA. My only excuse is that I have built two - one with Gary's sweep mods.

Tony (G3PTD)



Re: Testing the Measurement Rcvr

Tony Jaques
 

Hi Nigel,
I am part way through doing a Specan and it would be interesting to communicate about it. But obviously the PHSNA group is not the place to do it. There does not seem to be a group, but for now I have just joined the BITX20 group in the hope that they might create a section.
Apologies toPHSNA. My only excuse is that I have built two - one with Gary's sweep mods.

Tony (G3PTD)

Re: For Sale: Type-2 PHSNA

N5IB
 

The Type-2 PHSNA is spoken for...
thanks

Jim, N5IB

Re: Testing the Measurement Rcvr

Nick Kennedy
 

I went to the 5.528 MHz IF solely in the spirit of trying to use parts that
are in my junk box. It certainly has no advantage over the frequency chosen
by Jerry H.

Some of the other stuff I did is hard to explain now. Possibly I wanted to
not use a heat sink on the output amplifier. And I felt that the PHSNA has
plenty of dynamic range. It's definitely a good design as-is though.

Yes, Farhan's SPECAN is very interesting. Who wouldn't love to have a
spectrum analyzer? And he claims it's easy enough to build and not
expensive. Maybe that one should go on the stack.

73-

Nick, WA5BDU

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 11:47 AM Nigel Maund <maund.n@...> wrote:

Thanks for your feedback Nick,

I am intrigued as to why you may have changed to the 5.528 MHz frequency
of operation?

And, also the decisions to go with lower amplifier output.

In researching other types of analyzers, I came across Ashar Farhan’s
“Specan” design.

http://hfsignals.blogspot.com/p/specan-reboot-of-w7zoi.html
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzRNYeu10K6DdE1CSDVfZUdTdzg/view

He used a 12 MHz filter.
It occurs to me, that I could build the front stages of his design, and
“tack them on” as front stages to the Measurement Receiver.

Let me start by getting the Measurement Receiver built (it has been, like
4 years on the back burner!).

Thanks and interested to hear from others that have implemented the
Measurement Receiver.

Rgds,
Nigel
VA2NM

On Jan 2, 2019, at 8:31 PM, Nick Kennedy <kennnick@...> wrote:

It's been 4+ years since I built mine, but I have some notes,
fortunately.
Your idea of testing in sections is certainly a good one. I had to do a
lot
of troubleshooting, although not generally due to the design or concept
but
due to having a couple of bad mixers.

Also, I made a lot of changes so I had to be sure I'd done them
correctly.
I used some 5.528 MHz crystals I had on hand so that changed the
operating
frequency, the diplexer, the L-matches and so on.

Shooting through the crystal filter and its L-matchers before connecting
to
the rest of the world is definitely a good idea. And since you have that
nice PHSNA instrument sitting there, why not?

I like to measure my critical component values pretty closely and also
simulate the circuits in LTspice, so sometimes I don't actually feel the
need to adjust trimmers. My notes say I pre-set my L-match trimmers to
the
required value. But I could see plotting the filter curve and playing
with
those trimmers until you got a nice flat response curve might be a good
thing.

I substituted an ERA-1SM for the ERA-3+ which changed other component
values a bit. It's easy enough to verify the gain of that stage acting
alone before installing the mixer.

For whatever reason(s), I didn't feel the need for so much oomph out of
the
output amplifier so I changed the biasing to reduce standing current to
about 10 mA and didn't need a heat sink.

I did take a look through the diplexer before connecting it to the
driving
and driven stages. I had already modeled it on LTspice and seen that, by
design, you don't get sharp peaks but you do get a constant load over a
wide range of frequencies. Which I guess is its function.

So getting back to testing in stages. Yes, especially on through-hole
board
projects, it's a great idea. Sections can be hard to break apart after
the
fact. And as I guess I've suggested already, you could easily build and
test separately the MMIC amplifier, the diplexer, the crystal filter plus
matchers and the output amp. Or combine the output amp with the filter.
This can be accomplished by holding off on installing the mixer until
last,
testing the boards separately, and maybe keeping C15 out until you've
tested the filter and output amplifier separately.

On the fuse and blocking diode - your proposal to share them seems
reasonable. I don't remember exactly what I did there.

73 & good luck with the project,

Nick, WA5BDU


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 6:40 PM Nigel Maund <maund.n@... <mailto:
maund.n@...>> wrote:

Dear PHSNA testing community;

I am finally building the Measurement Receiver.

I wanted to ask advice on how to test/tune it as I build it in sections?

Here are my thoughts:

1) using the PHSNA, sweep the Xtal filter alone, and adjust the trim
capacitors to get a flat response curve
2) add the 2n2222 Amplifier, to then see the sweep with a 20 dB gain

Next steps - how would I make sure that the Bridge Tee Diplexers are
properly tuned?

Is it simple enough to wire up all the components and go for broke.
Or, is there a way to perhaps add in the Diplexer circuit and sweep it
using a 3.2768 MHz (spare crystal) oscillator,. If I were to use a
return
loss bridge would this then give me some interesting way to use all the
test components and actually see the Diplexer working?

I am thinking of how best to test each of the two boards separately,
using
the PHSNA and Power Meter, before connecting them together.

One final question: the schematic shows only one power connection
circuitry (200 mA resettable fuse, shotkey diode) but both boards have
PCB
locations for this circuitry. Is it acceptable to simply wire one board
with this circuitry, and jumper the 12 volts supply to the 2nd board.
Or,
do both boards need a 200 mA resettable fuse?

Thanks,
Nigel, Va2NM






For Sale: Type-2 PHSNA

N5IB
 

Doing a bit of bench clearing...

For sale is an assembled, programmed, and working Type-2 PHSNA, including
the Type II DDS module, with its on-board LPF removed
an Arduino UNO
both of the above mounted on an assembled PHSNA motherboard
an 8307 RF power detector board with front end shield
all of the above mounted "breadboard style" as shown in the attached photo

This is actually the prototype build of the Type-2 PHSNA
$50 plus shipping costs.
Unfortunately this will have to be confined to USA shipping, as the international rate will be outrageous,
though Canada might not be unreasonably costly

if interested, reply off-list to n5ib (at) juno (dot) com

BTW - I'm thinking of parting with my TenTec/TAPR vector network analyzer - if you're interested, e-mail at the above address and we can discuss its "special needs"

Jim