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Re: Problem with PHSNA.exe

EB4APL
 

Hi Tony,

Version 1.40 identifies itself as "PHSNA by WA5BDU v1.40" in the top left of the program window frame, but for this you need that the program starts properly.

You are right that looking into the file properties the version shown is 1.0.0.0 for all versions.  Subtle things when programming with MS Visual Studio.

Being a C# program, it needs that your computer have installed .NET support, and XP has not it unless yourself installed it.  I don't remember which version but Nick can confirm this.  Be aware that newer .NET versions does not include previous ones, so if the program needs .NET 3.5 it will not accept .NET 4.0, so install the right one.  Different versions can coexist without problems.

Ignacio EB4APL


El 24/05/2016 a las 10:19, anthonyjaques94@... [PHSNA] escribió:
 

Hello Jim.  Thank you very much for the reply.
   Thank you for pointing me to Nick's guide. Although I have read most
of the posts I did not think of looking in the files section for other than software. Also I did not realise that a different version of the Arduino software was needed for the Windows version.
    So with those two things you have been a big help Jim. Thank you.
   I will come back when I have been able to experiment further.

    By the way; I have now tried three versions of PHSNA.exe; One unknown, V1.39 and V1.40. All three cause the same error message. Now it could be that it is caused by the wrong version of the Arduino code, but I would have thought that, as it happens immediately after the .exe file is clicked on, and therefore long before the program is installed, it could not yet "know" about the Arduino.
Tony...



Re: Problem with PHSNA.exe

Jaques Anthony
 

Hello Jim.  Thank you very much for the reply.
   Thank you for pointing me to Nick's guide. Although I have read most
of the posts I did not think of looking in the files section for other than software. Also I did not realise that a different version of the Arduino software was needed for the Windows version.
    So with those two things you have been a big help Jim. Thank you.
   I will come back when I have been able to experiment further.

    By the way; I have now tried three versions of PHSNA.exe; One unknown, V1.39 and V1.40. All three cause the same error message. Now it could be that it is caused by the wrong version of the Arduino code, but I would have thought that, as it happens immediately after the .exe file is clicked on, and therefore long before the program is installed, it could not yet "know" about the Arduino.
Tony...


Re: Problem with PHSNA.exe

Jaques Anthony
 

Hi Nick,
    Thank you for the reply. Having now tried three versions of  PHSNA ( one unknown, V1.39 and 1.40) I now realise that Windows sees them all as V1.0.0.0!. But anyway they each produce exactly the same error message.
    Yes I meant that I don't have Excel. Both Kingsoft Office and Open Office are just to difficult to get sense out of (for me!), but I have been able to produce graphical results in my "usual" spreadsheet - "As Easy As".
    I was hoping that the Windows software would be instant enough to allow live tweaking of a circuit, but although the spreadsheet path takes a long time it is infinitely better than signal generator + rf meter + pencil and paper!

Tony...


Re: Problem with PHSNA.exe

Nick Kennedy
 

Hello Tony,

Jim has covered some of this.  I'm surprised that you found such a old version of Windows PHSNA.  Or maybe that version number means something else.

I can't imagine there haven't been others using Windows XP with it and I haven't heard of any incompatibilities with PHSNA and XP.

Not sure which bloatware you refer to. If it's Excel, the terminal version of PHSNA outputs data in CSV format IIRC, and just about anything should be able to pick it up.

73-

Nick, WA5BDU

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 9:52 AM, anthonyjaques94@... [PHSNA] <PHSNA@...> wrote:
 


Hello all,
   Firstly; It is several weeks since I  joined this group, and I have
spent a lot of time reading through  the posted messages. So a general
thank you is due to all those  who have created such a treasure trove,
and made it possible for me to tackle this project. Thank you all very
much.

   Unfortunately my first posting is a request for more help!

   Firstly I should mention that I have made the Rev 7.02 PCB, i.e.
the one with the Type 2 DDS module and an Arduino UNO. The combination
of milliwatt meter and PHSNA works well. I have loaded V3.02a of the
Arduino software, and V3.0.0.0 of Term232.exe). I do see the results,
but I can not graph them yet because I do no have the Microsoft bloatware,
and I have got nowhere trying to make the Kingsoft spreadsheet produce
sensible graphs. (not tried Open Office yet though.)
   The problem is that I was hoping to use the Windoze program that is
available in the files section. Unfortunately when run it stops with
and error msg.box:
   "The application failed to initialise properly (0xc0000135). OK to
terminate."
   The version of PHSNA.exe is 1.0.0.0.

   I am using Windoze XP + Service pack 3.
   Has anyone else encountered the problem - or can anyone suggest a
cure?

   Whether or not - Thank you for reading this

                                     Tony Jaques (G3PTD)



Re: Problem with PHSNA.exe

N5IB
 

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure I recall running the PHSNA.exe under WinXP... I know I have used it with Win7, Win8, and Win10 both 32 bit and 64 bit versions. Someone might chime in with a confirmation about XP. I suppose it's possible that the run-time environment for a Visual Basic task might have to be tended to. VBrun300.dll comes to mind.

Be sure to read Nick's "PHSNA User's Guide 1r40.pdf" which is to be found in the "Windows PHSNA" folder in the files area. Page 2 describes the five files that are needed. There are two Arduino sketches and one .exe file, plus a couple of support txt files for parameters and memories. All of those files are located in that same folder.

In particular, the Arduino sketch that must be loaded in order to use the Windows application is not the same one that is loaded when using Term-232 to communicate with the Arduino.

It also looks like you're not using the latest version of  PHSNA.exe,

Jim, N5IB



---In PHSNA@..., <anthonyjaques94@...> wrote :Hello all,
   Firstly; It is several weeks since I  joined this group, and I have
spent a lot of time reading through  the posted messages. So a general
thank you is due to all those  who have created such a treasure trove,
and made it possible for me to tackle this project. Thank you all very
much.

   Unfortunately my first posting is a request for more help!

   Firstly I should mention that I have made the Rev 7.02 PCB, i.e.
the one with the Type 2 DDS module and an Arduino UNO. The combination
of milliwatt meter and PHSNA works well. I have loaded V3.02a of the
Arduino software, and V3.0.0.0 of Term232.exe). I do see the results,
but I can not graph them yet because I do no have the Microsoft bloatware,
and I have got nowhere trying to make the Kingsoft spreadsheet produce
sensible graphs. (not tried Open Office yet though.)
   The problem is that I was hoping to use the Windoze program that is
available in the files section. Unfortunately when run it stops with
and error msg.box:
   "The application failed to initialise properly (0xc0000135). OK to
terminate."
   The version of PHSNA.exe is 1.0.0.0.

   I am using Windoze XP + Service pack 3.


Problem with PHSNA.exe

Jaques Anthony
 


Hello all,
   Firstly; It is several weeks since I  joined this group, and I have
spent a lot of time reading through  the posted messages. So a general
thank you is due to all those  who have created such a treasure trove,
and made it possible for me to tackle this project. Thank you all very
much.

   Unfortunately my first posting is a request for more help!

   Firstly I should mention that I have made the Rev 7.02 PCB, i.e.
the one with the Type 2 DDS module and an Arduino UNO. The combination
of milliwatt meter and PHSNA works well. I have loaded V3.02a of the
Arduino software, and V3.0.0.0 of Term232.exe). I do see the results,
but I can not graph them yet because I do no have the Microsoft bloatware,
and I have got nowhere trying to make the Kingsoft spreadsheet produce
sensible graphs. (not tried Open Office yet though.)
   The problem is that I was hoping to use the Windoze program that is
available in the files section. Unfortunately when run it stops with
and error msg.box:
   "The application failed to initialise properly (0xc0000135). OK to
terminate."
   The version of PHSNA.exe is 1.0.0.0.

   I am using Windoze XP + Service pack 3.
   Has anyone else encountered the problem - or can anyone suggest a
cure?

   Whether or not - Thank you for reading this

                                     Tony Jaques (G3PTD)


PC boards arrive

N5IB
 

The DHL guy showed up by surprise this afternoon. I wasn't expecting the boards yet. This was their fastest ever - 12 days after I placed the order.

Anyway, over the next day or so I'll contact everyone who made a request and give you the final details.

Jim, N5IB






Re: xtal issues?

vasilyivanenko@...
 

Great news Vern.  Now with MCUs both fast and cheap,  the double edge sword -- the  software and hardware parts of instrument fidelity looms.

I know you'll enjoy your lab receiver.

Measurement receivers provide great learning. I spent much of last week studying perhaps the holy grail "measurement receiver" from circa 1980  ---  the HP3586A/B/C.  A Programmable Selective Level Meter (Wave Analyzer) with synthesized tuning. From the synthesizer [ pretty good phase noise for a fractional synth back in the day] to the 20 Hz and 400 Hz wide xtal filters, I still marvel at this engineering and have copied some of the circuits into my notebook for future consideration.

Best!
V/T


Re: xtal issues?

Vern <n7gtb@...>
 

Hi Vasily,

Thanks for your feedback. 
It turns out there was an issue with the latest beta version firmware in the SNA I'm using.  At Dave's  (AD7JT) suggestion, I rolled back to an earlier version (4.2) and then ran through the batch of crystals again.  This time the response curves looked normal.  I now have two sets of six crystals, that can be used to complete the measurement receiver I've been working on. 

73,
Vern - N7GTB 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "vasilyivanenko@... [PHSNA]" <PHSNA@...>
Date: 5/2/2016 4:44 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: PHSNA@...
Subject: [PHSNA] Re: xtal issues?

 

Hi Vern

Since this doesn't happen with other xtals, we'll assume your measurement deck is OK.

Spurs in crystals occurs more often than not, however, some crystal batches show poorly. I had 1 set of 4.952 MHz xtals where multiple spurs lie 50 KHz apart up from center when swept in a tracking gen and spectrum
analyzer set-up.

 My sweeps skirt looked jagged on the high side of Fs in my homebrew sweep system.  I ordered another batch. They were fine and I threw the others in the rubbish.

V


Re: xtal issues?

vasilyivanenko@...
 

Hi Vern

Since this doesn't happen with other xtals, we'll assume your measurement deck is OK.

Spurs in crystals occurs more often than not, however, some crystal batches show poorly. I had 1 set of 4.952 MHz xtals where multiple spurs lie 50 KHz apart up from center when swept in a tracking gen and spectrum
analyzer set-up.

 My sweeps skirt looked jagged on the high side of Fs in my homebrew sweep system.  I ordered another batch. They were fine and I threw the others in the rubbish.

V


Re: xtal issues?

Jack D. Generaux
 

Vern,

Have you tried extended the sweep range upward to include the Fp.  I wonder if the phenomenon manifests on the high side of it?

Jack(W0FNQ)



Re: Experimenter Board rev1.20

N5IB
 


Indeed, that's where it is.... as noted in message #2990 ...

N5IB



---In PHSNA@..., <drmail377@...> wrote :

Since there is no link and/or little details provided about where to find the new file uploaded file from the OP, I dig... And It "seems" to be here:

Files > Experimenter Board for Type II DDS and Arduino NANO

Filename is:

DDS Type II and Arduino NANO Experimenter Board rev1.20.pdf

Description:

Information about a new version of the Experimenter Board


Re: xtal issues?

Vern VanZ <n7gtb@...>
 

...try(ing) this again, but with smaller attachments.  -V.


On Friday, April 29, 2016 7:41 PM, Vern VanZ wrote:


I added additional attenuation in 10db steps, up to 20db and aside from the lower drive level, the response curves appear unchanged (see attached photos). 

Following Jim's (N5IB of PHSNA group) suggestion, I'm cross-posting this to nat-sna in the hopes that others may have encountered this before...

For the folks in nat-sna, I recently purchased a batch of 3.2768Mhz crystals, to select six for the purpose of constructing the PHSNA measurement receiver.  The attached photos are representative of the sort of responses seen using both the PHSNA(built with N5IB PCB) and the K8IQY CTF.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and 73,
N7GTB -Vern







Re: Experimenter Board rev1.20

drmail377
 

Since there is no link and/or little details provided about where to find the new file uploaded file from the OP, I dig... And It "seems" to be here:

Files > Experimenter Board for Type II DDS and Arduino NANO

Filename is:

DDS Type II and Arduino NANO Experimenter Board rev1.20.pdf

Description:

Information about a new version of the Experimenter Board


Re: xtal issues?

Vern VanZ <n7gtb@...>
 

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the tip on plotting config.

When I first began looking at this batch of crystals, I was using the CTF described here in the PHSNA group; built with the board Jim made up.  At that time I was using commercial coaxial cables between the MSNA and the CTF.  The response curves were the same.  Not knowing if the problem was with some potential mistake I may have made populating the board, decided to build the 'bare bones' version you see in the photos...But as I mentioned, the response curves are the same no matter which CTF is used.

I did try a 10Mhz crystal, from a batch I had purchased about a decade ago, and the response from those units looked pretty much normal.  That's what led me to suspect these newer crystals (?)

I do have a couple of surplus adjustable attenuators, made by HP; one is 0 to 12 db, the other 0 to 120.  I'll throw the 0 to 12 inline between the MSNA and the CTF, and see what comes of it.  I'll also post my findings here for any future interest...

Thanks and 73,
N7GTB - Vern


Re: xtal issues?

David Collins
 

Hi Vern,

The attachment shows my results after grading 30 crystals for the Measurement Receiver.  This is typically what I see.

Your plots are new to me.  It looks like your crystal test fixture is the same as the one I use with one  difference.  I originally used mine with the PHSNA and didn't space the BNC connectors for direct connection to the MSNA so I had two short (about 18") pieces of coax in the circuit.  I'm not sure what difference that would make but you might try it to see if it makes any difference.

The max level looks about right so the power level is probably OK but you could try adding an external attenuator, re-calibrate, and see what that does to the plot.

BTW, if you set the plot format (Setup > P) to one, the firmware will connect the dots and you will get a better picture of curve shapes.

73,
Dave Collins - AD7JT


Re: xtal issues?

N5IB
 

The fact that the odd behavior is on the high side is a clue. That's where you're passing through the parallel resonance of the crystal. The only things that pop to mind right away are drive level and sweep speed. Any chance the drive level might be too high? I think the level is adjustable in the Midnight SNA. Pretty sure Dave has the sweep speed set in firmware appropriately for crystals

If you haven't already,you might also pose the question over on the SNA group to see if it's been observed by other NAT/SNA users.

Jim, N5IB


Re: xtal issues?

Vern VanZ <n7gtb@...>
 

btw, I see this same response curve regardless if I use my homebrewed CTF, or the N5IB version (i.e., PCB with amp).

I've also noticed, that the high frequency side of the curve is less distorted with the crystals having a 3db bw > 100hz.  As the 3db bw approaches 80hz, things get considerably 'bumpier'...

I'd like to determine if this is my test setup, or simply bad crystals.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

73,
N7GTB


xtal issues?

n7gtb@...
 

I've just begun to characterize an batch (40 pieces) of the 3.2768Mhz xtals to use in the measurement receiver, and am seeing unexpected frequency plots.  I've uploaded two examples of the curves, to the files area under N7GTB stuff/xtals for measurement Rx...

Has anyone here seen this sort of response, and if so, know how to correct (or is this simply a bad batch of crystals?)...

Thanks & 73,
N7GTB - Vern
Kennewick, WA.



Experimenter Board rev1.20

N5IB
 

I've posted a new document to the Experimenter Board folder in the Files Area. Preliminary info about the changes to be made in the next batch of Experimenter Boards.

Jim, N5IB