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SD QP cabrillo log problems - maybe


N2MTG@...
 

I ran the SD QP and multiple stations asked me to log it as N0HJZ/MRSH, i.e.  the call followed by the slask and county.

When I wrote the CABRILLO, there is no space between the call and the signal reporsignal report. See below

I think the logger gets confused with what is typed after the last and thinks it is a county.  The statistics shows I show 4 countinets other than North America,  See below

73 de N2MTG

John Rautenstrauch



START-OF-LOG: 3.0

CREATED-BY: N3FJP's SDQP Contest Log (Out of State) 2.0

CONTEST: SDQP

CALLSIGN: N2MTG

LOCATION: ENY

CATEGORY-OPERATOR: SINGLE-OP

CATEGORY-STATION: FIXED

CATEGORY-TRANSMITTER: ONE

CATEGORY-POWER: LOW

CATEGORY-ASSISTED: NON-ASSISTED

CATEGORY-BAND: ALL

CATEGORY-MODE: SSB

CLUB: Hudson Valley Contesters and DXers

CLAIMED-SCORE: 238

OPERATORS: N2MTG

NAME: John P. Rautenstrauch

ADDRESS: 7 Old Farms Road

ADDRESS-CITY: Poughkeepsie

ADDRESS-STATE-PROVINCE: NY

ADDRESS-POSTALCODE: 12603-5005

ADDRESS-COUNTRY: USA

EMAIL: N2MTG@...

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1807 N2MTG     59  NY       W0ZQ      59  ROBE

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1807 N2MTG     59  NY       W9ZQ      59  DAY

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1813 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/CLRK59  CLRK

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1822 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/KING59  KING

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1827 N2MTG     59  NY       K0BBC/ROVER59 DEUE

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2021 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/DAY 59  DAY

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2033 N2MTG     59  NY       W0ZO      59  CODI

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2039 N2MTG     59  NY       K0HW      59  UNIO

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2042 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/MRSH59  MRSH

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2239 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/CAMP59  CAMP

QSO:  7000 PH 2020-10-11 0328 N2MTG     59  NY       W0OJY/YANK59  YANK

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1549 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/LAKE59  LAKE

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1554 N2MTG     59  NY       W0OJY/YANK59  YANK

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1603 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/MINN59  MINN

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1631 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/MOOD59  MOOD

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1644 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/BROO59  BROO

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1702 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/DEUE59  DEUE

END-OF-LOG:



N2MTG's Contest Summary Report for SDQP
 Created by N3FJP's SDQP Contest Log (Out of State)
 Version 2.0  www.n3fjp.com

 Total Contacts = 17
 Total Points = 238

 Operating Period: 2020/10/10 18:07 - 2020/10/11 17:02

 Total op time (breaks > 30 min deducted): 1:54:00
 Total op time (breaks > 60 min deducted): 1:54:00

 Avg Qs/Hr (breaks > 30 min deducted): 8.9


 Total Contacts by Band and Mode:

 Band       CW   Phone     Dig   Total       %
 ----       --   -----     ---   -----     ---
   40        0       1       0       1       6
   20        0      16       0      16      94
            --   -----     ---   -----     ---
 Total       0      17       0      17     100



 Total Contacts by Country:

 Country                      Total     %
 -------                      -----   ---
 USA                              7    41
 Afghanistan                      2    12
 England                          2    12
 Federal Republic of Germany      2    12
 Chile                            1     6
 Cuba                             1     6
 Northern Ireland                 1     6
 Norway                           1     6

 Total = 8


 Total DX Miles (QSOs in USA not counted) = 46,772
 Average miles per DX QSO = 4,677


 Average bearing to the entities worked in each continent.
 QSOs in USA not counted.

 AS =  19
 EU =  41
 NA = 144
 SA = 161


 Total Contacts by Continent:

 Continent   Total     %
 ---------   -----   ---
 NA              8    47
 EU              6    35
 AS              2    12
 SA              1     6

 Total = 4


 Total Contacts by CQ Zone:

 CQ Zone   Total     %
 -------   -----   ---
 04            6    35
 14            6    35
 21            2    12
 05            1     6
 08            1     6
 12            1     6

 Total = 6


 Total Contacts by County:

 County            Total     %
 ---------         -----   ---
 SD Day                2    12
 SD Deuel              2    12
 SD Yankton            2    12
 SD Brookings          1     6
 SD Campbell           1     6
 SD Clark              1     6
 SD Codington          1     6
 SD Kingsbury          1     6
 SD Lake               1     6
 SD Marshall           1     6
 SD Minnehaha          1     6
 SD Moody              1     6
 SD Roberts            1     6
 SD Union              1     6

 Total = 14


JoAnn Donaldson
 

I noticed that one contact  was N0HJZ/DAY 59  DAY. Could it be that your call just ran up against the tabbing. That is each column could be on a Tab boarder and your call just took up all the space. I hope you understand what I am talking about.

JoAnn - AB8YZ - EM12

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 4:49:56 PM CDT, N2MTG via groups.io <n2mtg@...> wrote:


I ran the SD QP and multiple stations asked me to log it as N0HJZ/MRSH, i.e.  the call followed by the slask and county.

When I wrote the CABRILLO, there is no space between the call and the signal reporsignal report. See below

I think the logger gets confused with what is typed after the last and thinks it is a county.  The statistics shows I show 4 countinets other than North America,  See below

73 de N2MTG

John Rautenstrauch



START-OF-LOG: 3.0

CREATED-BY: N3FJP's SDQP Contest Log (Out of State) 2.0

CONTEST: SDQP

CALLSIGN: N2MTG

LOCATION: ENY

CATEGORY-OPERATOR: SINGLE-OP

CATEGORY-STATION: FIXED

CATEGORY-TRANSMITTER: ONE

CATEGORY-POWER: LOW

CATEGORY-ASSISTED: NON-ASSISTED

CATEGORY-BAND: ALL

CATEGORY-MODE: SSB

CLUB: Hudson Valley Contesters and DXers

CLAIMED-SCORE: 238

OPERATORS: N2MTG

NAME: John P. Rautenstrauch

ADDRESS: 7 Old Farms Road

ADDRESS-CITY: Poughkeepsie

ADDRESS-STATE-PROVINCE: NY

ADDRESS-POSTALCODE: 12603-5005

ADDRESS-COUNTRY: USA

EMAIL: N2MTG@...

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1807 N2MTG     59  NY       W0ZQ      59  ROBE

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1807 N2MTG     59  NY       W9ZQ      59  DAY

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1813 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/CLRK59  CLRK

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1822 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/KING59  KING

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 1827 N2MTG     59  NY       K0BBC/ROVER59 DEUE

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2021 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/DAY 59  DAY

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2033 N2MTG     59  NY       W0ZO      59  CODI

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2039 N2MTG     59  NY       K0HW      59  UNIO

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2042 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/MRSH59  MRSH

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-10 2239 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/CAMP59  CAMP

QSO:  7000 PH 2020-10-11 0328 N2MTG     59  NY       W0OJY/YANK59  YANK

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1549 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/LAKE59  LAKE

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1554 N2MTG     59  NY       W0OJY/YANK59  YANK

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1603 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/MINN59  MINN

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1631 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/MOOD59  MOOD

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1644 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/BROO59  BROO

QSO: 14000 PH 2020-10-11 1702 N2MTG     59  NY       N0HJZ/DEUE59  DEUE

END-OF-LOG:



N2MTG's Contest Summary Report for SDQP
 Created by N3FJP's SDQP Contest Log (Out of State)
 Version 2.0  www.n3fjp.com

 Total Contacts = 17
 Total Points = 238

 Operating Period: 2020/10/10 18:07 - 2020/10/11 17:02

 Total op time (breaks > 30 min deducted): 1:54:00
 Total op time (breaks > 60 min deducted): 1:54:00

 Avg Qs/Hr (breaks > 30 min deducted): 8.9


 Total Contacts by Band and Mode:

 Band       CW   Phone     Dig   Total       %
 ----       --   -----     ---   -----     ---
   40        0       1       0       1       6
   20        0      16       0      16      94
            --   -----     ---   -----     ---
 Total       0      17       0      17     100



 Total Contacts by Country:

 Country                      Total     %
 -------                      -----   ---
 USA                              7    41
 Afghanistan                      2    12
 England                          2    12
 Federal Republic of Germany      2    12
 Chile                            1     6
 Cuba                             1     6
 Northern Ireland                 1     6
 Norway                           1     6

 Total = 8


 Total DX Miles (QSOs in USA not counted) = 46,772
 Average miles per DX QSO = 4,677


 Average bearing to the entities worked in each continent.
 QSOs in USA not counted.

 AS =  19
 EU =  41
 NA = 144
 SA = 161


 Total Contacts by Continent:

 Continent   Total     %
 ---------   -----   ---
 NA              8    47
 EU              6    35
 AS              2    12
 SA              1     6

 Total = 4


 Total Contacts by CQ Zone:

 CQ Zone   Total     %
 -------   -----   ---
 04            6    35
 14            6    35
 21            2    12
 05            1     6
 08            1     6
 12            1     6

 Total = 6


 Total Contacts by County:

 County            Total     %
 ---------         -----   ---
 SD Day                2    12
 SD Deuel              2    12
 SD Yankton            2    12
 SD Brookings          1     6
 SD Campbell           1     6
 SD Clark              1     6
 SD Codington          1     6
 SD Kingsbury          1     6
 SD Lake               1     6
 SD Marshall           1     6
 SD Minnehaha          1     6
 SD Moody              1     6
 SD Roberts            1     6
 SD Union              1     6

 Total = 14


Mike - W4HRL
 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 05:49 PM, <N2MTG@...> wrote:
I ran the SD QP and multiple stations asked me to log it as N0HJZ/MRSH


I am thinking they were asking to log the county as "MRSH" because they were roving or portable and not at their home location.

The "MRSH" would go as the county data, but not be included in the call field.



Scott Davis
 

Hi John,

Thanks for your e-mail.  Mike is correct.  Always log the call in the call field and the county in the county field.  That will do the trick.

Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike - W4HRL via groups.io <w4hrl@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] SD QP cabrillo log problems - maybe

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 05:49 PM, <N2MTG@...> wrote:
I ran the SD QP and multiple stations asked me to log it as N0HJZ/MRSH

I am thinking they were asking to log the county as "MRSH" because they were roving or portable and not at their home location.

The "MRSH" would go as the county data, but not be included in the call field.



Bruce Richardson
 

Let's see if I can add to the discussion without being too confusing.

From the contesting world, there is one guideline to "log it like you heard it".  I believe for world-wide contests, it is to try and get a good match-up of QSOs. So that means leaving /XXXX in the callsign field and XXXX in the County field.

From what I've heard of State QSO parties log adjudication (Minnesota is where I heard the most detail) is that the log processing software is very tolerant and  gives a good match with either just the root call or root call and county appended with /XXXX.

With contest logging software, DURING THE CONTEST, one good reason to log the mobiles with their /XXXX county is that it will help you (the contester) detect dupe/non-dupe DURING the contest.  This is what I do.  DURING THE CONTEST, I log the mobiles with their /XXXX information in the callsign field and the XXXX in the county field.

But the rub comes in post-contest when I view the N3FJP statistics and the contest software says that I've worked goofy DX entitities and CQ/ITU zones on account of the /suffix. 

I won't get into the LOTW issues that mobiles have dealing with root certificates, child certificates, and multiple locations.  But I'll tell you that you'll get most matchups in LOTW with a mobile's root callsign.

So what I do after the State QSO party is over, is edit the Q's that have a /XXXX (where it is just a mobile moving among counties -- I leave the /# where an outlander sounding callsign indicates that they are "in" state) and remove the /XXXX leaving just the root callsign.  Then my N3FJP statistics look more helpful to me.  I submit Cabrillo logs and .adi files with just the root callsigns.  But having the /XXXX during the contest has really helped me avoid dupes.

Some mobiles submit their logs to the State QSO party administrators with /XXXX and some don't.  The State QSO Party admins have had to deal with this for years and usually set their software to give "matches" to either root or root/XXXX.

Now just a little aside about mobile and LOTW.........
The only State QSO Party that I regularly go mobile in is the Minnesota QSO Party.  With my wife (KA9VVQ), we activate six new counties each year during the 10 hour contest.  Since I am "the minister of tedious", I build locations in LOTW every year and maintain child certificate of /M (for mobile) and each year I apply for child certificates of /XXX for each of the counties we activate.  Then I tediously upload/sign my adi files with my base callsign, with /M, and with /XXX.  I don't think many mobiles do tedious things like that.  Yes, I know TQSL/LOTW has had some improvements in the past year that make multiple locations easier.

Back to the topic at hand, I hope you can see why logging /XXXX will help reduce dupes during a contest.  But after a contest, you may want to clean up the log for other purposes.

73
Bruce Richardson W9FZ


Scott Davis
 

Hi Bruce,

Rovers simply send their new county along with their call during QSO parties, so folks know they are in a new location.  

There is no need to append the county to the call sign in the call field.  My software will recognize that the station isn't a duplicate if the county is different, when properly entered in the county field.

Always enter the call in the call field and the county in the county field, and you will be all set.

Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Richardson <w9fz@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2020 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] SD QP cabrillo log problems - maybe

Let's see if I can add to the discussion without being too confusing.

From the contesting world, there is one guideline to "log it like you heard it".  I believe for world-wide contests, it is to try and get a good match-up of QSOs. So that means leaving /XXXX in the callsign field and XXXX in the County field.

From what I've heard of State QSO parties log adjudication (Minnesota is where I heard the most detail) is that the log processing software is very tolerant and  gives a good match with either just the root call or root call and county appended with /XXXX.

With contest logging software, DURING THE CONTEST, one good reason to log the mobiles with their /XXXX county is that it will help you (the contester) detect dupe/non-dupe DURING the contest.  This is what I do.  DURING THE CONTEST, I log the mobiles with their /XXXX information in the callsign field and the XXXX in the county field.

But the rub comes in post-contest when I view the N3FJP statistics and the contest software says that I've worked goofy DX entitities and CQ/ITU zones on account of the /suffix. 

I won't get into the LOTW issues that mobiles have dealing with root certificates, child certificates, and multiple locations.  But I'll tell you that you'll get most matchups in LOTW with a mobile's root callsign.

So what I do after the State QSO party is over, is edit the Q's that have a /XXXX (where it is just a mobile moving among counties -- I leave the /# where an outlander sounding callsign indicates that they are "in" state) and remove the /XXXX leaving just the root callsign.  Then my N3FJP statistics look more helpful to me.  I submit Cabrillo logs and .adi files with just the root callsigns.  But having the /XXXX during the contest has really helped me avoid dupes.

Some mobiles submit their logs to the State QSO party administrators with /XXXX and some don't.  The State QSO Party admins have had to deal with this for years and usually set their software to give "matches" to either root or root/XXXX.

Now just a little aside about mobile and LOTW.........
The only State QSO Party that I regularly go mobile in is the Minnesota QSO Party.  With my wife (KA9VVQ), we activate six new counties each year during the 10 hour contest.  Since I am "the minister of tedious", I build locations in LOTW every year and maintain child certificate of /M (for mobile) and each year I apply for child certificates of /XXX for each of the counties we activate.  Then I tediously upload/sign my adi files with my base callsign, with /M, and with /XXX.  I don't think many mobiles do tedious things like that.  Yes, I know TQSL/LOTW has had some improvements in the past year that make multiple locations easier.

Back to the topic at hand, I hope you can see why logging /XXXX will help reduce dupes during a contest.  But after a contest, you may want to clean up the log for other purposes.

73
Bruce Richardson W9FZ