Date   

WW Digi contest

Mel - N7GCO - Cheney, WA
 

Scott,

 

I would love to see you develop a contest log for the WW Digi contest. I think it will continue to grow.

I used N1MM+ this weekend and it worked fine, but I prefer to use your contest logs.

 

Thanks for considering this contest.

 

Mel

N7GCO


Re: JT alert

Larry Banks
 

Check the JTAlert help files.

73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ

 

Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 22:51
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] JT alert
 
Once installed how do you make it log from WSJT-x to n3fjp automatically?
n0dpr
--
"Brad"


Re: JT alert

Scott Davis
 

Hi Brad,

Sorry, here is the correct link:

http://www.n3fjp.com/help/digitalsetup.html

Enjoy!


73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Davis via groups.io <SNKDavis@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 11:40 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] JT alert

Hi Brad,

Thanks for your e-mail.  This page will get you going:

http://www.n3fjp.com/faq.html#q72


Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Vaughn Bradley <vrbradley@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2020 10:51 pm
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] JT alert

Once installed how do you make it log from WSJT-x to n3fjp automatically?
n0dpr 
--
"Brad"


Re: JT alert

Scott Davis
 

Hi Brad,

Thanks for your e-mail.  This page will get you going:

http://www.n3fjp.com/faq.html#q72


Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Vaughn Bradley <vrbradley@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2020 10:51 pm
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] JT alert

Once installed how do you make it log from WSJT-x to n3fjp automatically?
n0dpr 
--
"Brad"


JT alert

Vaughn Bradley <vrbradley@...>
 

Once installed how do you make it log from WSJT-x to n3fjp automatically?
n0dpr 
--
"Brad"


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Scott Davis
 

I think we have covered all the ground of this thread, so I am going to go ahead and lock it.

Thanks again for your comments guys!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave via groups.io <kc3am@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2020 5:51 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend

We look forward to your programing skills in the program's that you are going to develop that do not yet exist.
Dave KC3AM
On 08/29/2020 00:28, Andrew K8AKC via groups.io wrote:
Considering I work in software support and management I know a bit more than you think. Looking at all the N3FJP software, it's clear a central template/framework is used. Programs are made by picking and choosing what parts to use, and them finishing it up with scoring and other contest-specific features. It's not like each program is made from scratch, that would be insane.

73,
Andrew K8AKC


‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 12:22 AM, W5DET <w5det@...> wrote:


[QUOTE] ACL really needs to be re-made so people can customize their own contests. If it was open source or freeware I'd understand it, but this is a paid product. [ENDQUOTE]
Andrew, you clearly have no idea what you're asking and demonstrably less knowledge about programming and support of software products.
I suggest you prepare a list of your detailed requirements then perform an online search for freelance programmers.  You may find one who can provide you what you're looking for and it may cost less than 100 times more than what you paid for the superb suite of N3FJP logging programs.  If you find someone who's really good, you may have your ideal universally configurable logging program in only a year or two.  Of course, support will be solely on you, but you will be on your way to having exactly what you want.
Good luck and 73,
Doug Thompson, W5DET



--
Hams should be seen as well as heard, 73, Dave KC3AM


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Dave
 

We look forward to your programing skills in the program's that you are going to develop that do not yet exist.

Dave KC3AM

On 08/29/2020 00:28, Andrew K8AKC via groups.io wrote:
Considering I work in software support and management I know a bit more than you think. Looking at all the N3FJP software, it's clear a central template/framework is used. Programs are made by picking and choosing what parts to use, and them finishing it up with scoring and other contest-specific features. It's not like each program is made from scratch, that would be insane.

73,
Andrew K8AKC


‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 12:22 AM, W5DET <w5det@...> wrote:


[QUOTE] ACL really needs to be re-made so people can customize their own contests. If it was open source or freeware I'd understand it, but this is a paid product. [ENDQUOTE]

Andrew, you clearly have no idea what you're asking and demonstrably less knowledge about programming and support of software products.

I suggest you prepare a list of your detailed requirements then perform an online search for freelance programmers.  You may find one who can provide you what you're looking for and it may cost less than 100 times more than what you paid for the superb suite of N3FJP logging programs.  If you find someone who's really good, you may have your ideal universally configurable logging program in only a year or two.  Of course, support will be solely on you, but you will be on your way to having exactly what you want.

Good luck and 73,
Doug Thompson, W5DET



--
Hams should be seen as well as heard, 73, Dave KC3AM


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Dave
 

AMEN, Paper and pencil does EXACTLY what any given person wants it to do.

And a big pat on the back to Scott and Kimberly for all that they do for us.

Dave KC3AM

On 08/29/2020 00:12, Mel Marcus wrote:
I have an idea.

Lets not mess up N3FJP ACL or any off the large contest programs. I like them, they work.

For those minor contest do it the old fashioned way , paper and pencil. if the contest does not like paper logs ask them what program you should use. These contest scoring methods would drive a programmer crazy.  1 point for a QSO is you mother-in-law is in the other room 2 points if your girlfriend lives in another county . 5 point if your mother-in-law is your girlfriend


Mel
NE9A
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend
#contest
From: "Andrew K8AKC via groups.io" <K8AKC@...>
Date: Fri, August 28, 2020 11:00 pm
To: "N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io" <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>

But then what do we do about newer or not as popular contests? What other program do you personally use?

73,
Andrew K8AKC


‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Friday, August 28, 2020 11:24 PM, K8TS <dalecole3502@...> wrote:

Totally and respectfully also disagree.
NO other logging program on the market or otherwise is supported in the manner that Scott does. None.  Not HRD, N1MM+, none.
He maintains over 100 programs in addition to ACL.  There are many specific contest stand alone programs.
To make ACL customizable would require hours upon hours of support, hours that would take away for other programs.
ACL is not a contest program.
Scott does answer support questions during a contest, no other program on the market does.
73,
Dale K8TS
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest
 
I respectably don’t agree.  It would be an IMMENSE support issue.

73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ
 
 
 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 21:18
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest
 
I just think it would save him a lot of time to make a customizable context log for all the small contests. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, I did pay for it.






-------- Original Message --------
On Aug 28, 2020, 8:58 PM, Dean Holste < kc9eoq@...> wrote:
 
I disagree! You have it backwards. If AC Log was open source you could modify it as you wish. Since it is a paid program, you have no right to change it. Scott spends thousands of hours maintaining his programs. Your only cost is a one time payment for all of his hard work and tech support responses. Where else are you going to get something like that for less than fifty bucks!
 
 
 
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:31 PM Andrew K8AKC via groups.io <K8AKC=pm.me@groups.io> wrote:
ACL really needs to be re-made so people can customize their own contests. If it was open source or freeware I'd understand it, but this is a paid product.

 

--
Hams should be seen as well as heard, 73, Dave KC3AM


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Ron Spaulding
 

Bob,

You sure hit the nail on the head there.....If I were Scott I might tell some of these guys to bugger off.=, but he apparently is not that type of person, thankfully.

Hope your better.

Ron

On 8/29/2020 12:05 PM, Bob Stothfang wrote:
Denis - NM5DD

Thanks for your excellent post about the rationale for developing software applications.
Your list of "mundane things" really hits the nail on the head.
I had previously thought about a lot of those items and others that you mentioned opened my eyes to things that I didn't even consider before.

Scott and Kimberly have certainly developed a GREAT PRODUCT. And they provide fantastic support for their product too.
I think Scott's business model is excellent. You can either "Buy the basic software and then "A la carte" the additional contests.
Or buy the whole package at once for a considerable savings. Either way, it is good for life, no additional annual fees to keep it working/updated.

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development. His FAQ sections will answer almost any question a user might have. I know that because way back early on I asked a question and Scott very politely referred me to the relevant FAQ that answered the question. Now I go there first.

Whenever anyone is looking for a logging software package I always recommend N3FJP.

Bob - W8RES




On 08/29/2020 10:51, Denis Dimick wrote:
Andrew,
First off, please don't take this as a slight towards you, if I was going to slam you, I'd just come out and call you names and move on, however, given the spirit of Ham Radio, where we are all usually trying to learn now things, I'll try to explain why applications do not always have XYZ in them, and why there normally is a fee if you want XYZ added to them.

The big factor is USER BASE - Why do you think there are more applications for Windows then other O/S's? It's USER BASE. It's the same thing when you write an application. Think of buying a car, you get ABC colors to pick from, or you pay extra money, and wait longer to get a nonstandard color - You want that Hot Pink color? Well <b>IF</b> they will sell it to you, then it will cost more, and take longer to get the car. The manufacture looks at their CUSTOMER BASE, decides what most of the USER BASE will want, then makes these vehicles. As more people say, "Hey, I'd like XYZ", they will do one of two things, add it on as an option for a later year, next year when you buy a car you have ABCD as your color choices, or make it an option like tinted windows; you want tinted windows, then come on back and we'll tint your windows for you for an additional fee.

Here's a bit of the mundane things that go into writing an application like ACL.  First you get the idea, for the application, then you need to look around at the market and ask yourself a number of questions before you even start trying to write the application.

What USER BASE are you trying to serve? - is it 6 people or 6 million people?
What applications are already on the market? - are you the first application, or will you be Number 12?
What's the cost of these applications? - Is someone already selling a similar application that does most of what yours will do for $9.99? 
What features do these applications have? - If you spent the time to develop the application, can you add features the others don't have that will make yours better?
What's your time worth? - Will it take 100 hours that can be better spent making money someplace else, or will you end up paying yourself 5 cents an hour to work on the project?
Will it cost you more to develop the application then you'll ever recover through sales? - will you ever be able to pay yourself for the time you put into the application?
Do you have the time? - We only have 24 hours in the day, can you make enough time to be able to develop the application before someone else comes along with a better application? You could spend years working on an applicarion and someone else finishes theirs when your just a few weeks away from finishing yours and "steals your thunder", this happens ALL the time, this is one of the reasons some applications are so buggy, they needed to rush to the market before they lost the market.
How soon can you develop and publish your application - will the market no longer exist if it takes you extra time to program your application?
Do you want to make the commitment to your USER BASE, or do you want to write the application, make your money and ignore your USER BASE? - ethics here.. Not all software developers have them.

When you've answered ALL of these questions, and STILL want to produce the application, the hard work starts,  you start the design process, the research process, things like what Databases do you need to access, what contests, awards, etc. What's the UI going to look like, drop down menu's, colors, etc. LOTS of back end work here, thaty if you do it correctly no one will even know you did it, however, if you do it wrong, EVERYONE will know. This part could take longer then you spend writing the application.

So when your finished with your application, you now get to market it, and set up a sales and support system; how is your USER BASE going to purchase the application and contact you to fix bugs that ALWAYS happen? When all of this is said and done, when a new contest, or database comes along, you have to go right back to the very beginning of thew list and start all over, however, now you have an additional question to ask yourself.
Did you make enough money on the first application to make it worth your time to add new features to the application, or should you makes these upgrades an add-on and charge a small fee? (tinted windows)

Microsoft used to just sell you a license for MS Office, then they decided that the best way to make money was charge an annual fee to use the product, there are some Ham Radio applications that are now following the same model, you pay $XXX amount of money every year, or your application no longer works. QRZ.com and the ARRL do this, you want access to use their data base, then you need to pay them every year, or you want that nice certificate for WAS?, then join the ARRL and pay extra for the certificate. QRZ charges their fee in attempt to offset the cost of providing the infrastructure for the database, and I'm not sure why the ARRL does it the way they do, maybe to try and force people to join.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here, is you're asking for tinted windows..

73's
Denis
NM5DD

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locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Jeff KB6CA
 

And I concur, Scott.  The logs for contests are invaluable and I really appreciate all your work.  Makes participating in contests a joy.

 

73

 

Jeff KB6CA

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott Davis via groups.io
Sent: August 29, 2020 09:59 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

 

Hi Bob, Dennis and All,

 

Thanks so much for your kind words.  Bob, you were definitely on the mark when you wrote:

 

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development.

 

This is very real.  While I've created an FAQ page that covers 90% of the questions I receive, a large number of users choose not to look there first.  Many a morning I've started with ideas and ambition for enhancing the code or adding support for another contest, but by the time I wade through all the e-mail, both on this users group and direct (most of my support questions are still direct), the energy planned for coding is spent on support.

 

I am not complaining in the least.  I love what I am doing and I have to pinch myself often to make sure this isn't a dream.  I am thrilled beyond measure that that first little November Sweepstakes program I wrote for myself and a few friends 23 years ago has grown into all this.  I am extremely thankful that you all are enjoying the software (and that you appreciate all the hard work in both development and support that is going into it), but the success has tipped my time very heavily towards support.  

 

Whenever anyone is looking for a logging software package I always recommend N3FJP.

 

Thank you so much for your kind words and recommending N3FJP Software to others.  I can't tell you how much Kimberly and I appreciate it!

 

Thanks again!

 

73, Scott

N3FJP

 

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

 

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Stothfang <bobstothfang@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2020 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Denis - NM5DD

Thanks for your excellent post about the rationale for developing software applications.
Your list of "mundane things" really hits the nail on the head.
I had previously thought about a lot of those items and others that you mentioned opened my eyes to things that I didn't even consider before.

Scott and Kimberly have certainly developed a GREAT PRODUCT. And they provide fantastic support for their product too.
I think Scott's business model is excellent. You can either "Buy the basic software and then "A la carte" the additional contests.
Or buy the whole package at once for a considerable savings. Either way, it is good for life, no additional annual fees to keep it working/updated.

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development. His FAQ sections will answer almost any question a user might have. I know that because way back early on I asked a question and Scott very politely referred me to the relevant FAQ that answered the question. Now I go there first.

Whenever anyone is looking for a logging software package I always recommend N3FJP.

Bob - W8RES



On 08/29/2020 10:51, Denis Dimick wrote:

Andrew,
First off, please don't take this as a slight towards you, if I was going to slam you, I'd just come out and call you names and move on, however, given the spirit of Ham Radio, where we are all usually trying to learn now things, I'll try to explain why applications do not always have XYZ in them, and why there normally is a fee if you want XYZ added to them.

The big factor is USER BASE - Why do you think there are more applications for Windows then other O/S's? It's USER BASE. It's the same thing when you write an application. Think of buying a car, you get ABC colors to pick from, or you pay extra money, and wait longer to get a nonstandard color - You want that Hot Pink color? Well <b>IF</b> they will sell it to you, then it will cost more, and take longer to get the car. The manufacture looks at their CUSTOMER BASE, decides what most of the USER BASE will want, then makes these vehicles. As more people say, "Hey, I'd like XYZ", they will do one of two things, add it on as an option for a later year, next year when you buy a car you have ABCD as your color choices, or make it an option like tinted windows; you want tinted windows, then come on back and we'll tint your windows for you for an additional fee.

Here's a bit of the mundane things that go into writing an application like ACL.  First you get the idea, for the application, then you need to look around at the market and ask yourself a number of questions before you even start trying to write the application.

What USER BASE are you trying to serve? - is it 6 people or 6 million people?
What applications are already on the market? - are you the first application, or will you be Number 12?
What's the cost of these applications? - Is someone already selling a similar application that does most of what yours will do for $9.99? 
What features do these applications have? - If you spent the time to develop the application, can you add features the others don't have that will make yours better?
What's your time worth? - Will it take 100 hours that can be better spent making money someplace else, or will you end up paying yourself 5 cents an hour to work on the project?
Will it cost you more to develop the application then you'll ever recover through sales? - will you ever be able to pay yourself for the time you put into the application?
Do you have the time? - We only have 24 hours in the day, can you make enough time to be able to develop the application before someone else comes along with a better application? You could spend years working on an applicarion and someone else finishes theirs when your just a few weeks away from finishing yours and "steals your thunder", this happens ALL the time, this is one of the reasons some applications are so buggy, they needed to rush to the market before they lost the market.
How soon can you develop and publish your application - will the market no longer exist if it takes you extra time to program your application?
Do you want to make the commitment to your USER BASE, or do you want to write the application, make your money and ignore your USER BASE? - ethics here.. Not all software developers have them.

When you've answered ALL of these questions, and STILL want to produce the application, the hard work starts,  you start the design process, the research process, things like what Databases do you need to access, what contests, awards, etc. What's the UI going to look like, drop down menu's, colors, etc. LOTS of back end work here, thaty if you do it correctly no one will even know you did it, however, if you do it wrong, EVERYONE will know. This part could take longer then you spend writing the application.

So when your finished with your application, you now get to market it, and set up a sales and support system; how is your USER BASE going to purchase the application and contact you to fix bugs that ALWAYS happen? When all of this is said and done, when a new contest, or database comes along, you have to go right back to the very beginning of thew list and start all over, however, now you have an additional question to ask yourself.
Did you make enough money on the first application to make it worth your time to add new features to the application, or should you makes these upgrades an add-on and charge a small fee? (tinted windows)

Microsoft used to just sell you a license for MS Office, then they decided that the best way to make money was charge an annual fee to use the product, there are some Ham Radio applications that are now following the same model, you pay $XXX amount of money every year, or your application no longer works. QRZ.com and the ARRL do this, you want access to use their data base, then you need to pay them every year, or you want that nice certificate for WAS?, then join the ARRL and pay extra for the certificate. QRZ charges their fee in attempt to offset the cost of providing the infrastructure for the database, and I'm not sure why the ARRL does it the way they do, maybe to try and force people to join.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here, is you're asking for tinted windows..

73's
Denis
NM5DD

--
I just got into Ham Radio to pick up Chicks..

--


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Scott Davis
 

Hi Bob, Dennis and All,

Thanks so much for your kind words.  Bob, you were definitely on the mark when you wrote:

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development.

This is very real.  While I've created an FAQ page that covers 90% of the questions I receive, a large number of users choose not to look there first.  Many a morning I've started with ideas and ambition for enhancing the code or adding support for another contest, but by the time I wade through all the e-mail, both on this users group and direct (most of my support questions are still direct), the energy planned for coding is spent on support.

I am not complaining in the least.  I love what I am doing and I have to pinch myself often to make sure this isn't a dream.  I am thrilled beyond measure that that first little November Sweepstakes program I wrote for myself and a few friends 23 years ago has grown into all this.  I am extremely thankful that you all are enjoying the software (and that you appreciate all the hard work in both development and support that is going into it), but the success has tipped my time very heavily towards support.  

Whenever anyone is looking for a logging software package I always recommend N3FJP.

Thank you so much for your kind words and recommending N3FJP Software to others.  I can't tell you how much Kimberly and I appreciate it!

Thanks again!


73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Stothfang <bobstothfang@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2020 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Denis - NM5DD

Thanks for your excellent post about the rationale for developing software applications.
Your list of "mundane things" really hits the nail on the head.
I had previously thought about a lot of those items and others that you mentioned opened my eyes to things that I didn't even consider before.

Scott and Kimberly have certainly developed a GREAT PRODUCT. And they provide fantastic support for their product too.
I think Scott's business model is excellent. You can either "Buy the basic software and then "A la carte" the additional contests.
Or buy the whole package at once for a considerable savings. Either way, it is good for life, no additional annual fees to keep it working/updated.

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development. His FAQ sections will answer almost any question a user might have. I know that because way back early on I asked a question and Scott very politely referred me to the relevant FAQ that answered the question. Now I go there first.

Whenever anyone is looking for a logging software package I always recommend N3FJP.

Bob - W8RES




On 08/29/2020 10:51, Denis Dimick wrote:
Andrew,
First off, please don't take this as a slight towards you, if I was going to slam you, I'd just come out and call you names and move on, however, given the spirit of Ham Radio, where we are all usually trying to learn now things, I'll try to explain why applications do not always have XYZ in them, and why there normally is a fee if you want XYZ added to them.

The big factor is USER BASE - Why do you think there are more applications for Windows then other O/S's? It's USER BASE. It's the same thing when you write an application. Think of buying a car, you get ABC colors to pick from, or you pay extra money, and wait longer to get a nonstandard color - You want that Hot Pink color? Well <b>IF</b> they will sell it to you, then it will cost more, and take longer to get the car. The manufacture looks at their CUSTOMER BASE, decides what most of the USER BASE will want, then makes these vehicles. As more people say, "Hey, I'd like XYZ", they will do one of two things, add it on as an option for a later year, next year when you buy a car you have ABCD as your color choices, or make it an option like tinted windows; you want tinted windows, then come on back and we'll tint your windows for you for an additional fee.

Here's a bit of the mundane things that go into writing an application like ACL.  First you get the idea, for the application, then you need to look around at the market and ask yourself a number of questions before you even start trying to write the application.

What USER BASE are you trying to serve? - is it 6 people or 6 million people?
What applications are already on the market? - are you the first application, or will you be Number 12?
What's the cost of these applications? - Is someone already selling a similar application that does most of what yours will do for $9.99? 
What features do these applications have? - If you spent the time to develop the application, can you add features the others don't have that will make yours better?
What's your time worth? - Will it take 100 hours that can be better spent making money someplace else, or will you end up paying yourself 5 cents an hour to work on the project?
Will it cost you more to develop the application then you'll ever recover through sales? - will you ever be able to pay yourself for the time you put into the application?
Do you have the time? - We only have 24 hours in the day, can you make enough time to be able to develop the application before someone else comes along with a better application? You could spend years working on an applicarion and someone else finishes theirs when your just a few weeks away from finishing yours and "steals your thunder", this happens ALL the time, this is one of the reasons some applications are so buggy, they needed to rush to the market before they lost the market.
How soon can you develop and publish your application - will the market no longer exist if it takes you extra time to program your application?
Do you want to make the commitment to your USER BASE, or do you want to write the application, make your money and ignore your USER BASE? - ethics here.. Not all software developers have them.

When you've answered ALL of these questions, and STILL want to produce the application, the hard work starts,  you start the design process, the research process, things like what Databases do you need to access, what contests, awards, etc. What's the UI going to look like, drop down menu's, colors, etc. LOTS of back end work here, thaty if you do it correctly no one will even know you did it, however, if you do it wrong, EVERYONE will know. This part could take longer then you spend writing the application.

So when your finished with your application, you now get to market it, and set up a sales and support system; how is your USER BASE going to purchase the application and contact you to fix bugs that ALWAYS happen? When all of this is said and done, when a new contest, or database comes along, you have to go right back to the very beginning of thew list and start all over, however, now you have an additional question to ask yourself.
Did you make enough money on the first application to make it worth your time to add new features to the application, or should you makes these upgrades an add-on and charge a small fee? (tinted windows)

Microsoft used to just sell you a license for MS Office, then they decided that the best way to make money was charge an annual fee to use the product, there are some Ham Radio applications that are now following the same model, you pay $XXX amount of money every year, or your application no longer works. QRZ.com and the ARRL do this, you want access to use their data base, then you need to pay them every year, or you want that nice certificate for WAS?, then join the ARRL and pay extra for the certificate. QRZ charges their fee in attempt to offset the cost of providing the infrastructure for the database, and I'm not sure why the ARRL does it the way they do, maybe to try and force people to join.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here, is you're asking for tinted windows..

73's
Denis
NM5DD

--
I just got into Ham Radio to pick up Chicks..
--


Using the N3FJP HELP PAGE.

Mike Olbrisch
 

YES!   A great place to start.  In fact, some of us could benefit by just reading through it and picking up a little hint here or there about something we didn’t know or use.  Like <Ctrl>-<Shift>-<R> to disable rig polling to manually enter freq and mode.

 

http://n3fjp.com/help/index.html

Another help to Scott is when we jump in and answer a question, so Scott doesn’t need to get involved in “that one”. So if someone asks a question, and you can point them to the answer – please do so.  I don’t know what % the users answering stuff helps Scott.  But even a 5% reduction helps.

 

Mike – KD5KC -- El Paso -- Texas.

 

The canyons are calling, colorful and deep.  But I have promises to keep.

And miles to go still in my Jeep...   And miles to go still in my Jeep...

 

 

ADVENTURE:  The respectful pursuit of trouble.

 

 

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Stothfang
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:06 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

 

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development. His FAQ sections will answer almost any question a user might have. I know that because way back early on I asked a question and Scott very politely referred me to the relevant FAQ that answered the question. Now I go there first.

 


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Bob Stothfang
 

Denis - NM5DD

Thanks for your excellent post about the rationale for developing software applications.
Your list of "mundane things" really hits the nail on the head.
I had previously thought about a lot of those items and others that you mentioned opened my eyes to things that I didn't even consider before.

Scott and Kimberly have certainly developed a GREAT PRODUCT. And they provide fantastic support for their product too.
I think Scott's business model is excellent. You can either "Buy the basic software and then "A la carte" the additional contests.
Or buy the whole package at once for a considerable savings. Either way, it is good for life, no additional annual fees to keep it working/updated.

With the almost daily constant barrage of "how to" questions and feature requests that are posted on this reflector I am surprised that Scott has time for any new product features or new contest development. His FAQ sections will answer almost any question a user might have. I know that because way back early on I asked a question and Scott very politely referred me to the relevant FAQ that answered the question. Now I go there first.

Whenever anyone is looking for a logging software package I always recommend N3FJP.

Bob - W8RES




On 08/29/2020 10:51, Denis Dimick wrote:
Andrew,
First off, please don't take this as a slight towards you, if I was going to slam you, I'd just come out and call you names and move on, however, given the spirit of Ham Radio, where we are all usually trying to learn now things, I'll try to explain why applications do not always have XYZ in them, and why there normally is a fee if you want XYZ added to them.

The big factor is USER BASE - Why do you think there are more applications for Windows then other O/S's? It's USER BASE. It's the same thing when you write an application. Think of buying a car, you get ABC colors to pick from, or you pay extra money, and wait longer to get a nonstandard color - You want that Hot Pink color? Well <b>IF</b> they will sell it to you, then it will cost more, and take longer to get the car. The manufacture looks at their CUSTOMER BASE, decides what most of the USER BASE will want, then makes these vehicles. As more people say, "Hey, I'd like XYZ", they will do one of two things, add it on as an option for a later year, next year when you buy a car you have ABCD as your color choices, or make it an option like tinted windows; you want tinted windows, then come on back and we'll tint your windows for you for an additional fee.

Here's a bit of the mundane things that go into writing an application like ACL.  First you get the idea, for the application, then you need to look around at the market and ask yourself a number of questions before you even start trying to write the application.

What USER BASE are you trying to serve? - is it 6 people or 6 million people?
What applications are already on the market? - are you the first application, or will you be Number 12?
What's the cost of these applications? - Is someone already selling a similar application that does most of what yours will do for $9.99? 
What features do these applications have? - If you spent the time to develop the application, can you add features the others don't have that will make yours better?
What's your time worth? - Will it take 100 hours that can be better spent making money someplace else, or will you end up paying yourself 5 cents an hour to work on the project?
Will it cost you more to develop the application then you'll ever recover through sales? - will you ever be able to pay yourself for the time you put into the application?
Do you have the time? - We only have 24 hours in the day, can you make enough time to be able to develop the application before someone else comes along with a better application? You could spend years working on an applicarion and someone else finishes theirs when your just a few weeks away from finishing yours and "steals your thunder", this happens ALL the time, this is one of the reasons some applications are so buggy, they needed to rush to the market before they lost the market.
How soon can you develop and publish your application - will the market no longer exist if it takes you extra time to program your application?
Do you want to make the commitment to your USER BASE, or do you want to write the application, make your money and ignore your USER BASE? - ethics here.. Not all software developers have them.

When you've answered ALL of these questions, and STILL want to produce the application, the hard work starts,  you start the design process, the research process, things like what Databases do you need to access, what contests, awards, etc. What's the UI going to look like, drop down menu's, colors, etc. LOTS of back end work here, thaty if you do it correctly no one will even know you did it, however, if you do it wrong, EVERYONE will know. This part could take longer then you spend writing the application.

So when your finished with your application, you now get to market it, and set up a sales and support system; how is your USER BASE going to purchase the application and contact you to fix bugs that ALWAYS happen? When all of this is said and done, when a new contest, or database comes along, you have to go right back to the very beginning of thew list and start all over, however, now you have an additional question to ask yourself.
Did you make enough money on the first application to make it worth your time to add new features to the application, or should you makes these upgrades an add-on and charge a small fee? (tinted windows)

Microsoft used to just sell you a license for MS Office, then they decided that the best way to make money was charge an annual fee to use the product, there are some Ham Radio applications that are now following the same model, you pay $XXX amount of money every year, or your application no longer works. QRZ.com and the ARRL do this, you want access to use their data base, then you need to pay them every year, or you want that nice certificate for WAS?, then join the ARRL and pay extra for the certificate. QRZ charges their fee in attempt to offset the cost of providing the infrastructure for the database, and I'm not sure why the ARRL does it the way they do, maybe to try and force people to join.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here, is you're asking for tinted windows..

73's
Denis
NM5DD

--
I just got into Ham Radio to pick up Chicks..

--


Re: how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

Jeff
 

Hi Mike,

Yeah, I’ve run into this as well!  Some months ago, I started uploading my old logs, which cover my two previous callsigns starting in 2003, and I was asking myself, “Why did I log this guy in (state) when QRZ shows him in (different state)?” I very quickly figured it out. I assume that I’ll get a number of “not in log” or simply no confirmations.

r/Jeff


Re: A crazy thought

Ray Dabkowski
 

Scott, this was just discussed in depth in a recent message thread. Start here...

https://groups.io/g/N3FJPSoftwareUsers/message/43439


Re: how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

Jeff
 

Thanks, Gary, that’s a good idea, I’ll give it a look. :-)  r/Jeff, KF5KWO


Re: how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

Jeff
 

Thanks for your reply, Scott! :-)


locked Re: WW digi dx contest this weekend #contest

Denis Dimick
 

Andrew,
First off, please don't take this as a slight towards you, if I was going to slam you, I'd just come out and call you names and move on, however, given the spirit of Ham Radio, where we are all usually trying to learn now things, I'll try to explain why applications do not always have XYZ in them, and why there normally is a fee if you want XYZ added to them.

The big factor is USER BASE - Why do you think there are more applications for Windows then other O/S's? It's USER BASE. It's the same thing when you write an application. Think of buying a car, you get ABC colors to pick from, or you pay extra money, and wait longer to get a nonstandard color - You want that Hot Pink color? Well <b>IF</b> they will sell it to you, then it will cost more, and take longer to get the car. The manufacture looks at their CUSTOMER BASE, decides what most of the USER BASE will want, then makes these vehicles. As more people say, "Hey, I'd like XYZ", they will do one of two things, add it on as an option for a later year, next year when you buy a car you have ABCD as your color choices, or make it an option like tinted windows; you want tinted windows, then come on back and we'll tint your windows for you for an additional fee.

Here's a bit of the mundane things that go into writing an application like ACL.  First you get the idea, for the application, then you need to look around at the market and ask yourself a number of questions before you even start trying to write the application.

What USER BASE are you trying to serve? - is it 6 people or 6 million people?
What applications are already on the market? - are you the first application, or will you be Number 12?
What's the cost of these applications? - Is someone already selling a similar application that does most of what yours will do for $9.99? 
What features do these applications have? - If you spent the time to develop the application, can you add features the others don't have that will make yours better?
What's your time worth? - Will it take 100 hours that can be better spent making money someplace else, or will you end up paying yourself 5 cents an hour to work on the project?
Will it cost you more to develop the application then you'll ever recover through sales? - will you ever be able to pay yourself for the time you put into the application?
Do you have the time? - We only have 24 hours in the day, can you make enough time to be able to develop the application before someone else comes along with a better application? You could spend years working on an applicarion and someone else finishes theirs when your just a few weeks away from finishing yours and "steals your thunder", this happens ALL the time, this is one of the reasons some applications are so buggy, they needed to rush to the market before they lost the market.
How soon can you develop and publish your application - will the market no longer exist if it takes you extra time to program your application?
Do you want to make the commitment to your USER BASE, or do you want to write the application, make your money and ignore your USER BASE? - ethics here.. Not all software developers have them.

When you've answered ALL of these questions, and STILL want to produce the application, the hard work starts,  you start the design process, the research process, things like what Databases do you need to access, what contests, awards, etc. What's the UI going to look like, drop down menu's, colors, etc. LOTS of back end work here, thaty if you do it correctly no one will even know you did it, however, if you do it wrong, EVERYONE will know. This part could take longer then you spend writing the application.

So when your finished with your application, you now get to market it, and set up a sales and support system; how is your USER BASE going to purchase the application and contact you to fix bugs that ALWAYS happen? When all of this is said and done, when a new contest, or database comes along, you have to go right back to the very beginning of thew list and start all over, however, now you have an additional question to ask yourself.
Did you make enough money on the first application to make it worth your time to add new features to the application, or should you makes these upgrades an add-on and charge a small fee? (tinted windows)

Microsoft used to just sell you a license for MS Office, then they decided that the best way to make money was charge an annual fee to use the product, there are some Ham Radio applications that are now following the same model, you pay $XXX amount of money every year, or your application no longer works. QRZ.com and the ARRL do this, you want access to use their data base, then you need to pay them every year, or you want that nice certificate for WAS?, then join the ARRL and pay extra for the certificate. QRZ charges their fee in attempt to offset the cost of providing the infrastructure for the database, and I'm not sure why the ARRL does it the way they do, maybe to try and force people to join.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here, is you're asking for tinted windows..

73's
Denis
NM5DD

--
I just got into Ham Radio to pick up Chicks..


Re: how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

Mike Olbrisch
 

Morning Gary-Joe……..

 

I entered all my contacts going back to 1990 when I passed the Extra at the Huntsville Ham-Fest.  Yes, it is cool to see when you made a contact that far back with someone today.  But increasingly I am finding that popular calls are being recycled.  Especially 1X2 and 2X1 calls.  So you get a contact, and find out that the Bob who had the call is SK, and a new guy has the call now.  In addition, and in my experience, if you are looking for LoTW confirmation, entering any contacts before the year 2000 was a lot of work for very little gain.  From an LoTW standpoint, I wouldn’t waste my time going back any further than 2000.  Of course, YMMV.  And for me it would get even more complicated, as I was a KA2, an N9, a DA4 and a DA1 in the 70s and 80s.

 

Mike – KD5KC -- El Paso -- Texas.

 

The canyons are calling, colorful and deep.  But I have promises to keep.

And miles to go still in my Jeep...   And miles to go still in my Jeep...

 

 

ADVENTURE:  The respectful pursuit of trouble.

 

 

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:22 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

 

Jeff,

 

                I love Scott’s program(s) and have gone through the exercise you are going through.  I found it much easier to enter all of my old paper logs (several thousand contacts) into “Fast Log Entry”, save them as an ADIF file, and then import the ADIF into my log.

 

You can find “Fast Log Entry” here:

https://www.df3cb.com/fle/

 

                I now have all of my contacts in one ACLog, and uploaded to LOTW. It is very cool to have a QSO and be able to say FB OM we worked in 1987!

 

Stay Safe, and 73,

Gary “Joe” kk0sd

 

 

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of John AJ1R
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:18 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

 

Entering my paper logs from a few years back, and the order I used on paper was DATE / TIME/ BAND / CALL / NAME / SENT / RECEIVED.  In N3FJP, I've set up the fields in that same order, but it when I tab over it always skips over CALL until I tab all the way through the other fields, etc.  Is there any way to fix this? I'm seeing posts from 10+ years ago indicating the CALL field is always first (?).  Is there any way to customize this so I can tab my way through in the same order as my written logs? 

Thanks,

jeff, kf5kwo


Re: how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

Gary
 

Jeff,

 

                I love Scott’s program(s) and have gone through the exercise you are going through.  I found it much easier to enter all of my old paper logs (several thousand contacts) into “Fast Log Entry”, save them as an ADIF file, and then import the ADIF into my log.

 

You can find “Fast Log Entry” here:

https://www.df3cb.com/fle/

 

                I now have all of my contacts in one ACLog, and uploaded to LOTW. It is very cool to have a QSO and be able to say FB OM we worked in 1987!

 

Stay Safe, and 73,

Gary “Joe” kk0sd

 

 

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of John AJ1R
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:18 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] how do I set the CALL field to not be first?

 

Entering my paper logs from a few years back, and the order I used on paper was DATE / TIME/ BAND / CALL / NAME / SENT / RECEIVED.  In N3FJP, I've set up the fields in that same order, but it when I tab over it always skips over CALL until I tab all the way through the other fields, etc.  Is there any way to fix this? I'm seeing posts from 10+ years ago indicating the CALL field is always first (?).  Is there any way to customize this so I can tab my way through in the same order as my written logs? 

Thanks,

jeff, kf5kwo

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