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Re: ACLog Software from N3FJP not interfacing with a Kenwood TS-890S

Scott Davis
 

Hi Rich,

Thanks for your follow up.  I'm sorry that you are still having trouble.

You should not be seeing that error message, regardless of settings.  Click File > Show File Locations and note the location of your Settings files.  Close AC Log.  With Windows File Manager, navigate to the folder and delete the RigSettings.xml file.  That will essentially start you from scratch.  Then start AC Log and try configuring your rig interface, without any other intervening software, as detailed here:


Once you get rig interfacing working directly, save your settings.  (Save Settings button at lower left of rig list).  You can then start introducing the variables of additional software.

Good luck!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Kuster via groups.io <richjkuster@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] ACLog Software from N3FJP not interfacing with a Kenwood TS-890S

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 02:03 PM, Rich Kuster wrote:
Object reference not set to am instance of an object
Dear Mike and anyone else reading or following this thread,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I have tried many things.

Yes, I've turned off/on the Kenwood ARCP-TS890 remote control software program and re-initializing AC-Log software many times over and over again.  Also uninstalled/reinstalled the ACLog software a couple times too.

First, the set up.
 
I've got the Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART bridge (virtual drivers?) active on COM3 & COM5.  The KW ARCP-890 remote control software is assigned to use COM5 and works just fine.
 
For COM4 Serial I have a StarTech FDTI USB to serial cable which I've used when programming HT's, mobile radios, etc.   It doesn't get used much but, as discussed below, I tried it as serial connection between the KW TS-890S to the ACLog software running on the PC.  PC is an HP ENVY running W10.

Next, the steps I've undertaken in tryingto get the ACLog software to interface with the KW TS-890S transceiver.

First step was to download the ACLog software and try to use the unused COM3 port via the Silicon Lab driver.  I tried all different combinations of baud rate, making sure the Data Bits was 8, Parity None, Stops bits 1, and flow control None.  Made sure choices in the ACLog Rig interface window aligned with the driver's port/properties/port settings.  But, when trying to set up the rig interface in the ACLog software, it kept coming back with errors like "device connected not functioning" and the super frustrating "Object reference not set to an instance of an object."  
 
So, then step 2 was to try COM4 Serial using the StarTech FDTI USB to serial cable.  After reading the initial responses to my post on groups.io saying they had ACLog working best by the serial port, I thought I'd give it a shot.  Again, nada.  Same error messages.
 
At one point I did get things to settle down where there were not constant error messages I was able to use the "TEST" option in the ACLog interface set up window.  When I clicked the test button, the ACLog software responded it was "POLLING" the radio.  But, nothing ever came back.  So after 60-90 seconds, I just pressed the end test button.
 
It just seems like the ACLog software doesn't recognize any connection to the TS-890.
 
Step 3 As a last resort, I stripped all USB device connections from the PC for one last round of troubleshooting.  The only things still connected to PC via USB cables were the keyboard, mouse, and HP Printer.   I also disconnected the USB cable to TS-890S used for the ARCP remote control software.  Still no luck.
 
Again, It just seems like the ACLog software doesn't recognize ANY connection to the TS-890.  Dammit, something simple just ain't right.
 
I was hoping to be able to use both the ARCP to control the radio on one COM port and use the other COM port with the ACLog software.  When it sounded like that wouldn't work I figured OK USB for the ARCP and USB Serial for the ACLog software. Or maybe just the ACLog software with the ARCP software turned off. But the way it looks now, I won't be able to use the ACLog software period.
 
I have no idea what to do next except try someone elses logging software.  The ACLog on PC is a free trial version for another 43 days.  Not sure if same free trial option there for the other programs.
 
I am just so frustrated at this point with now about four other hams saying, "Works for me", "No problems here", etc.
 
Any other ideas you might have, please let me know.
 
Thanks & 73's de Rich AF1K 
 
 


Re: ACLog Software from N3FJP not interfacing with a Kenwood TS-890S

Rich Kuster
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 02:03 PM, Rich Kuster wrote:
Object reference not set to am instance of an object
Dear Mike and anyone else reading or following this thread,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I have tried many things.

Yes, I've turned off/on the Kenwood ARCP-TS890 remote control software program and re-initializing AC-Log software many times over and over again.  Also uninstalled/reinstalled the ACLog software a couple times too.

First, the set up.
 
I've got the Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART bridge (virtual drivers?) active on COM3 & COM5.  The KW ARCP-890 remote control software is assigned to use COM5 and works just fine.
 
For COM4 Serial I have a StarTech FDTI USB to serial cable which I've used when programming HT's, mobile radios, etc.   It doesn't get used much but, as discussed below, I tried it as serial connection between the KW TS-890S to the ACLog software running on the PC.  PC is an HP ENVY running W10.

Next, the steps I've undertaken in tryingto get the ACLog software to interface with the KW TS-890S transceiver.

First step was to download the ACLog software and try to use the unused COM3 port via the Silicon Lab driver.  I tried all different combinations of baud rate, making sure the Data Bits was 8, Parity None, Stops bits 1, and flow control None.  Made sure choices in the ACLog Rig interface window aligned with the driver's port/properties/port settings.  But, when trying to set up the rig interface in the ACLog software, it kept coming back with errors like "device connected not functioning" and the super frustrating "Object reference not set to an instance of an object."  
 
So, then step 2 was to try COM4 Serial using the StarTech FDTI USB to serial cable.  After reading the initial responses to my post on groups.io saying they had ACLog working best by the serial port, I thought I'd give it a shot.  Again, nada.  Same error messages.
 
At one point I did get things to settle down where there were not constant error messages I was able to use the "TEST" option in the ACLog interface set up window.  When I clicked the test button, the ACLog software responded it was "POLLING" the radio.  But, nothing ever came back.  So after 60-90 seconds, I just pressed the end test button.
 
It just seems like the ACLog software doesn't recognize any connection to the TS-890.
 
Step 3 As a last resort, I stripped all USB device connections from the PC for one last round of troubleshooting.  The only things still connected to PC via USB cables were the keyboard, mouse, and HP Printer.   I also disconnected the USB cable to TS-890S used for the ARCP remote control software.  Still no luck.
 
Again, It just seems like the ACLog software doesn't recognize ANY connection to the TS-890.  Dammit, something simple just ain't right.
 
I was hoping to be able to use both the ARCP to control the radio on one COM port and use the other COM port with the ACLog software.  When it sounded like that wouldn't work I figured OK USB for the ARCP and USB Serial for the ACLog software. Or maybe just the ACLog software with the ARCP software turned off. But the way it looks now, I won't be able to use the ACLog software period.
 
I have no idea what to do next except try someone elses logging software.  The ACLog on PC is a free trial version for another 43 days.  Not sure if same free trial option there for the other programs.
 
I am just so frustrated at this point with now about four other hams saying, "Works for me", "No problems here", etc.
 
Any other ideas you might have, please let me know.
 
Thanks & 73's de Rich AF1K 
 
 


Re: Field Day Question

Christopher Scibelli
 

Hi Scott,

I'm off-topic here so I apologize.  I'd like to put some of this idle time to use and do some reading on Computer Security.  In Investments we have a book that is referred to as  "the bible of Investing".  Does such a book exist with regard to Computer Security?  Perhaps you could ask your son and if others can suggest a book please chime in.  Send me a private email.  I'm OK on QRZ. 

73,

Chris  NU1O


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Davis via groups.io <SNKDavis@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Field Day Question

Hi All,

Regarding updating a common database over the Internet from separated locations...

My knowledge of Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) is rudimentary at best, but my son Chris, KB3KCN is knowledgeable and he set one up between our homes.  Using the VPN, we are able to simultaneously log to our shared database from the Field Day software with both of us connected in real time with full functionality, just as if we were on a traditional LAN!  File share works great, which allows for editing, sorting, deleting, etc from the server or the client.  

The messaging / band status features work fine over the VPN, when enabled with File Share too, so the TCP option should be fine as well.  You just have to enter the IP of the sever, rather than the PC name.

Using a VPN reduces the security concerns present in other alternatives we've discussed.  In our limited testing, the VPN option seems to work perfectly!

If you want to set up a VPN, Chris recommends the free WireGuard software:


Enjoy!


73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Davis via groups.io <SNKDavis@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Field Day Question

Hi Ken and All,

Ken, thanks so much for compiling this great information.  I can't thank you enough!  I am very encouraged by the TCP approach.

All, Ken was kind enough to send along a PDF document, which I have posted to the web site here:



http://www.n3fjp.com/faq.html#q120


I encourage as many of you as possible to experiment and repeat Ken's initial tests.  As Ken stresses, you will want to configure all of this well in advance of any actual operating event.

Thanks again Ken!  :)

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bell <k4ees@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Field Day Question

Hi

Our club did some testing for a couple of methods to share data/logs for contests and Field Day. Scott asked me to document our findings, which I did and sent to him to put in the files section, which I'm sure he'll do.  He also asked me to post here, so the below is a cut-and-paste from the document. You may want to cut-and-paste back in to something you can print for easy use.  
 
With my IT Security hat on, there is a warning at the bottom to understand what you are doing and to protect yourself from vulnerabilities. Please read it. 
 
Lastly, It's amazing how fast someone with a little experience at networking and radio can go from 'That Weird Guy with Wires in his Trees' to 'Communications Director of Everything'. I say this to let you know I will answer questions as I can.  I don't have access but to 2 types of routers, so if you want to use the Internet method below, you'll need to dig out a manual.   This method worked for us.  I can't guarantee it will work for you, so please proceed at your own risk.  

Ken - K4EES 

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To:       N3FJP Contest Users                                                                             Date: 4/9/2020
 
From:   Ken Bell – K4EES
 
Re:       Using N3FJP Remotely
 

Our club was interested in entering the Florida QSO party in a couple of weeks.  We had decided to do this as a ‘remote’ club effort in the single transmitter category, even before the Social Distancing was forced by the on-going pandemic.   We had used the network feature at Winter Field Day with great success and wanted to incorporate it’s use with Scott’s Out-of-state FL QSO Party software in our effort.  We have tested 2 methods and have had some success, but there are gotchas to both.  
 

Central Shared Database Method:

One of our members suggested using ‘Dropbox’ for sharing the database. Dropbox keeps a local copy of a shared file synced with everyone who is in the share group. Many of us have used this with good success with our work and other projects.  All of our members would point at the shared local copy of the file by changing the file location in the N3FJP software.  
 
Having been a network engineer, DB administrator, and software engineer in my career, warning flags were going off.  N3FJP uses a version of MS Access to store the contact records and MS Access is a ‘single users’ database. MS strongly warns against multiple users accessing the same Access DB.   There are warnings from Dropbox as well.  But, MS wants to sell more expensive products and Dropbox wants to cover themselves in the event expensive data is lost.  Of course, we tested this method anyway….   with mixed results. 
 
Three of us got on-line and entered 10 records at the same time.   We found that If more than one person enters records at the same time, there will be data corruption.  Records will be overwritten.  On the plus side, multiple users can view the data at the same time, so long as they are just viewing. We found out while testing another method (below) that sorting the data by clicking on the field names at the top of the screen also caused problems.
 
Dropbox Setup:
1.     Go to http://dropbox.com and setup an account.  There are free ones, and I suspect that the free one will work fine, although there is a limit to the number of users/systems that can access the shared folder on a free account. Everyone who will participate needs an account.
2.     ONE USER ONLY creates a folder (‘N3FJP_shared’, perhaps).
3.     Put that folder in your Dropbox folder.
4.     Open the N3FJP package you will use, then File->Start a New Database…. In that folder. 
5.     Share that folder with all users you expect to participate.
6.     Put a text file (Test.txt) in the folder as well for testing.
 
On the PCs that will share the N3FJP DB: 
1.     Accept the share from the user above and obtain access to the shared folder.
2.     Make sure you can make changes to the Test.txt file. 
3.     Open your copy of N3FJP and point it to the shared DB file in the Dropbox folder. (Files->Open )
4.     To test, take turns entering contacts.  Allow plenty of time between changing users.  The Settings->Refresh Rate is default to 60 seconds, so I would allow at least double that before allowing another user to start entering data.   OR, verify that the last record is the same.
 
You can all watch your progress real-time and keep up with your score, but you will need to coordinate between users to enter contacts, and no tinkering while records are being entered.  Watch only if you aren’t the single user ‘On Duty’ to be adding Contact Records.  This method is probably easier for non-technical users to setup, but will have few features and will be a bit easier to cause problems. 
 
Recommendations:
·       Reasonably fast Internet speed with little latency is required.
·       Only ONE person entering contacts at a time. 
·       Use some method to alert other users at shift change to allow other users to enter contacts. We used MS Teams
·       Multiple users can view the data and watch progress.  
·       No messing about in the data grid. 
·       At shift change, make sure the last record reads the same to ensure the data has been synced before the next operator starts data entry.
 

N3FJP Network Feature used over the Internet 

While I was replying to a message about the method above, I had an idea to try the Network feature we had used at WFD over the Internet.  All that would be required would be a minor change in the router in front of the N3FJP SERVER system. Please read the stern warning at the end!
 
I had an email from another user (special thanks to Jay, N1AV) who said he had done this with his club and encouraged me to go on. One of our club members had a spare laptop, so I did some preliminary tests and found that we were able to use the Network function across the internet.  We setup a test with the other club members.  The change that makes this work is on the home ROUTER that sits in front of the SERVER system. The rest is straight forward.
 
On the SERVER PC system:
1.     Decide where the SERVER will be located. Preferably on a simple, single router network such as at a home. 
2.     Start the SERVER up on the local network.  Obtain the SERVER IP address and write it down for later
3.     In N3FJP go to Settings->Network (Some of Scott’s software have Network as a top level menu). Make sure 'This Station Name' and 'Server Name or IP' are exactly the same (required on the SERVER only). I would leave them as they were set by default on the SERVER.
4.     Click 'Server and Clients Connected’ and choose ‘TCP’.  Click 'Enable Status / Chat Functions'

On the ROUTER:
1.     Find the manufacturers instructions for the ROUTER that is between the Internet and the SERVER PC. Google can be helpful.
2.     Log into the ROUTER, most likely using a web browser, and obtain the IP address supplied by your Internet provider. Write it down for later.
3.     While logged in to the ROUTER, setup 'port forwarding' to send traffic from the Internet on port 1000 to the local IP address of the SERVER you wrote down above.  Note that this might be called 'Single Port Forwarding', or if your router is very old, may be called setting up an Enclave or something else. My setup had a way to change it from port 1000 to another port.  If you have this option, put port 1000 in both places.  Read your ROUTER instructions!
4.     If your ROUTER allows it, create a static IP address for your SERVER, so it won't change.  Do this while logged into the ROUTER. Older routers may just take the IP address out of the address pool, while newer routers will reserve the address and give it to that system only when it comes on-line.  Read your Router Instructions. 
 
 
On remote N3FJP systems:
1.     Open N3FJP and go to Settings->Network and enter the Outside IP address of the ROUTER (obtained above) in the 'Server Name or IP' field.
2.     Click Network Method 'TCP' and 'Enable Status / Chat Functions'. 
 
You should all be sharing the data on the SERVER system. 
 
As promised, there are some gotchas.  
First, there are network vulnerabilities in using this method.  Read the warning below and share the IP address of the server with ONLY the people you trust.  Second, we found that we could simultaneously enter data, but, if someone sorted the records by clicking on the field headings, the record ids would stop being sequential and we THINK we lost a couple of record.  Don’t mess about with the records grid window. 
 
We have determined that we can all enter data simultaneously, and we can view the records!  The Chat feature works beautifully as well.  
 
Recommendations:
·       Read the Warning Section below.  Only open the hole in your Router to test and for the contest.  Do NOT leave it open. 
·       Only share the outside IP address to responsible parties that are participating.
·       Reasonably fast Internet access with low latency is required for all parties.  It would be interesting to see how this works for someone with Hughes Net, since it uses a satellite link. 
·       No messing about with the data fields at the top of the screen.  This MAY cause issues.  Further testing required. 
·       If you decide to do this, you should be familiar with the Network feature and play with it on a local network before you try across the Internet.  It’s easy to use, but you can eliminate some questions before you start working with someone remotely. 
·       Even if you are familiar with N3FJP Networking, please test access across the Internet before the contest.  Make sure everyone on your team knows how to setup their system. 
·       The ‘chat’ feature in Networking works GREAT!!!  We used it for testing and will use it for FL QSO party (and perhaps other contests) to hand over the ‘Duty’ to other operators.
·       We found it was OK for a user to modify his own records, but do NOT delete any records while the contest is in progress.  Write down the ID# and call sign and delete it afterwards. We found this to be true whether on a local network or over the Internet. 
·       Setup up and use a backup.  For Winter FD, we used a thumb drive on the server system and dumped a backup to the thumb drive every 15 minutes.  Didn't need it, and proud we didn't.
·       We recommend having the SERVER on a separate box, although Jay said his club has just used one of the user’s systems for the server.   Note that if you have a separate system for the server, a user on the same network needs to just enter the outside address of your ROUTER, just like everyone else.  
·       I wouldn’t recommend buying a new router, but My Netgear Velop has a phone app that makes all of this setup extremely easy.  If you own an Velop, use the app.  
·       If you start having problems, check to make sure that your Internet provider hasn’t changed your IP address of your ROUTER.  Also, check to make sure that the SERVER’s IP address hasn’t changed. 
·       And lastly, it works (so far)  for us.  I'm an ex-IT/Security guy. I know the risks we are taking.  I cannot be responsible for any problems YOU might have. 
 
WARNINGS from an ex-Fortune 500 IT Security Manager:
Your Router is being scanned regularly from the Internet looking for vulnerabilities to exploit. Normally, your router drops these attempted connections and you never see them.   What we are doing here is opening a TEMPORARY (please put it back afterwards) hole on TCP port 1000 from the Internet to your router to a specific system, which is your SERVER.   Don't open this up and leave it open!  Over time, a nefarious individual (probably from Russia or S.Korea)  WILL find it and WILL attempt an exploit. There may be a port 1000 vulnerability that Windows 10 is not protected against.  AND, this could make a mess of your DB.   Chances are small if you open it for a short time, do your testing and close it, open it for the contest and the close it. But don’t just leave it open.
 
N3FJP has no authentication for the Network feature. It was intended to be used by friends behind a router that no one can access except those friends. If you change your router with the network feature as described above to be used over the Internet, anyone who has this info and your router outside IP address can hop into your Server's log DB with you. Any and all who are on-line with the Network feature can add, change, and delete records…. even your whole log.  The IP Address is the key: Be careful of who you share it.
--
Ken - K4EES


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Ken Bell
 

If you don't own a Winkeyer, I suggest looking at the Mortty solution.   It's a tiny, cheap kit that's easy to build.  Although its built on an Arduino, it comes pre-loaded with software (Either CW or RTTY) .  Takes a couple of hours to have it built and tested.
--
Ken - K4EES


Re: Field Day Question

Scott Davis
 

Hi All,

Regarding updating a common database over the Internet from separated locations...

My knowledge of Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) is rudimentary at best, but my son Chris, KB3KCN is knowledgeable and he set one up between our homes.  Using the VPN, we are able to simultaneously log to our shared database from the Field Day software with both of us connected in real time with full functionality, just as if we were on a traditional LAN!  File share works great, which allows for editing, sorting, deleting, etc from the server or the client.  

The messaging / band status features work fine over the VPN, when enabled with File Share too, so the TCP option should be fine as well.  You just have to enter the IP of the sever, rather than the PC name.

Using a VPN reduces the security concerns present in other alternatives we've discussed.  In our limited testing, the VPN option seems to work perfectly!

If you want to set up a VPN, Chris recommends the free WireGuard software:


Enjoy!


73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Davis via groups.io <SNKDavis@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Field Day Question

Hi Ken and All,

Ken, thanks so much for compiling this great information.  I can't thank you enough!  I am very encouraged by the TCP approach.

All, Ken was kind enough to send along a PDF document, which I have posted to the web site here:



http://www.n3fjp.com/faq.html#q120


I encourage as many of you as possible to experiment and repeat Ken's initial tests.  As Ken stresses, you will want to configure all of this well in advance of any actual operating event.

Thanks again Ken!  :)

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bell <k4ees@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Field Day Question

Hi

Our club did some testing for a couple of methods to share data/logs for contests and Field Day. Scott asked me to document our findings, which I did and sent to him to put in the files section, which I'm sure he'll do.  He also asked me to post here, so the below is a cut-and-paste from the document. You may want to cut-and-paste back in to something you can print for easy use.  
 
With my IT Security hat on, there is a warning at the bottom to understand what you are doing and to protect yourself from vulnerabilities. Please read it. 
 
Lastly, It's amazing how fast someone with a little experience at networking and radio can go from 'That Weird Guy with Wires in his Trees' to 'Communications Director of Everything'. I say this to let you know I will answer questions as I can.  I don't have access but to 2 types of routers, so if you want to use the Internet method below, you'll need to dig out a manual.   This method worked for us.  I can't guarantee it will work for you, so please proceed at your own risk.  

Ken - K4EES 

------------------------------------

To:       N3FJP Contest Users                                                                             Date: 4/9/2020
 
From:   Ken Bell – K4EES
 
Re:       Using N3FJP Remotely
 

Our club was interested in entering the Florida QSO party in a couple of weeks.  We had decided to do this as a ‘remote’ club effort in the single transmitter category, even before the Social Distancing was forced by the on-going pandemic.   We had used the network feature at Winter Field Day with great success and wanted to incorporate it’s use with Scott’s Out-of-state FL QSO Party software in our effort.  We have tested 2 methods and have had some success, but there are gotchas to both.  
 

Central Shared Database Method:

One of our members suggested using ‘Dropbox’ for sharing the database. Dropbox keeps a local copy of a shared file synced with everyone who is in the share group. Many of us have used this with good success with our work and other projects.  All of our members would point at the shared local copy of the file by changing the file location in the N3FJP software.  
 
Having been a network engineer, DB administrator, and software engineer in my career, warning flags were going off.  N3FJP uses a version of MS Access to store the contact records and MS Access is a ‘single users’ database. MS strongly warns against multiple users accessing the same Access DB.   There are warnings from Dropbox as well.  But, MS wants to sell more expensive products and Dropbox wants to cover themselves in the event expensive data is lost.  Of course, we tested this method anyway….   with mixed results. 
 
Three of us got on-line and entered 10 records at the same time.   We found that If more than one person enters records at the same time, there will be data corruption.  Records will be overwritten.  On the plus side, multiple users can view the data at the same time, so long as they are just viewing. We found out while testing another method (below) that sorting the data by clicking on the field names at the top of the screen also caused problems.
 
Dropbox Setup:
1.     Go to http://dropbox.com and setup an account.  There are free ones, and I suspect that the free one will work fine, although there is a limit to the number of users/systems that can access the shared folder on a free account. Everyone who will participate needs an account.
2.     ONE USER ONLY creates a folder (‘N3FJP_shared’, perhaps).
3.     Put that folder in your Dropbox folder.
4.     Open the N3FJP package you will use, then File->Start a New Database…. In that folder. 
5.     Share that folder with all users you expect to participate.
6.     Put a text file (Test.txt) in the folder as well for testing.
 
On the PCs that will share the N3FJP DB: 
1.     Accept the share from the user above and obtain access to the shared folder.
2.     Make sure you can make changes to the Test.txt file. 
3.     Open your copy of N3FJP and point it to the shared DB file in the Dropbox folder. (Files->Open )
4.     To test, take turns entering contacts.  Allow plenty of time between changing users.  The Settings->Refresh Rate is default to 60 seconds, so I would allow at least double that before allowing another user to start entering data.   OR, verify that the last record is the same.
 
You can all watch your progress real-time and keep up with your score, but you will need to coordinate between users to enter contacts, and no tinkering while records are being entered.  Watch only if you aren’t the single user ‘On Duty’ to be adding Contact Records.  This method is probably easier for non-technical users to setup, but will have few features and will be a bit easier to cause problems. 
 
Recommendations:
·       Reasonably fast Internet speed with little latency is required.
·       Only ONE person entering contacts at a time. 
·       Use some method to alert other users at shift change to allow other users to enter contacts. We used MS Teams
·       Multiple users can view the data and watch progress.  
·       No messing about in the data grid. 
·       At shift change, make sure the last record reads the same to ensure the data has been synced before the next operator starts data entry.
 

N3FJP Network Feature used over the Internet 

While I was replying to a message about the method above, I had an idea to try the Network feature we had used at WFD over the Internet.  All that would be required would be a minor change in the router in front of the N3FJP SERVER system. Please read the stern warning at the end!
 
I had an email from another user (special thanks to Jay, N1AV) who said he had done this with his club and encouraged me to go on. One of our club members had a spare laptop, so I did some preliminary tests and found that we were able to use the Network function across the internet.  We setup a test with the other club members.  The change that makes this work is on the home ROUTER that sits in front of the SERVER system. The rest is straight forward.
 
On the SERVER PC system:
1.     Decide where the SERVER will be located. Preferably on a simple, single router network such as at a home. 
2.     Start the SERVER up on the local network.  Obtain the SERVER IP address and write it down for later
3.     In N3FJP go to Settings->Network (Some of Scott’s software have Network as a top level menu). Make sure 'This Station Name' and 'Server Name or IP' are exactly the same (required on the SERVER only). I would leave them as they were set by default on the SERVER.
4.     Click 'Server and Clients Connected’ and choose ‘TCP’.  Click 'Enable Status / Chat Functions'

On the ROUTER:
1.     Find the manufacturers instructions for the ROUTER that is between the Internet and the SERVER PC. Google can be helpful.
2.     Log into the ROUTER, most likely using a web browser, and obtain the IP address supplied by your Internet provider. Write it down for later.
3.     While logged in to the ROUTER, setup 'port forwarding' to send traffic from the Internet on port 1000 to the local IP address of the SERVER you wrote down above.  Note that this might be called 'Single Port Forwarding', or if your router is very old, may be called setting up an Enclave or something else. My setup had a way to change it from port 1000 to another port.  If you have this option, put port 1000 in both places.  Read your ROUTER instructions!
4.     If your ROUTER allows it, create a static IP address for your SERVER, so it won't change.  Do this while logged into the ROUTER. Older routers may just take the IP address out of the address pool, while newer routers will reserve the address and give it to that system only when it comes on-line.  Read your Router Instructions. 
 
 
On remote N3FJP systems:
1.     Open N3FJP and go to Settings->Network and enter the Outside IP address of the ROUTER (obtained above) in the 'Server Name or IP' field.
2.     Click Network Method 'TCP' and 'Enable Status / Chat Functions'. 
 
You should all be sharing the data on the SERVER system. 
 
As promised, there are some gotchas.  
First, there are network vulnerabilities in using this method.  Read the warning below and share the IP address of the server with ONLY the people you trust.  Second, we found that we could simultaneously enter data, but, if someone sorted the records by clicking on the field headings, the record ids would stop being sequential and we THINK we lost a couple of record.  Don’t mess about with the records grid window. 
 
We have determined that we can all enter data simultaneously, and we can view the records!  The Chat feature works beautifully as well.  
 
Recommendations:
·       Read the Warning Section below.  Only open the hole in your Router to test and for the contest.  Do NOT leave it open. 
·       Only share the outside IP address to responsible parties that are participating.
·       Reasonably fast Internet access with low latency is required for all parties.  It would be interesting to see how this works for someone with Hughes Net, since it uses a satellite link. 
·       No messing about with the data fields at the top of the screen.  This MAY cause issues.  Further testing required. 
·       If you decide to do this, you should be familiar with the Network feature and play with it on a local network before you try across the Internet.  It’s easy to use, but you can eliminate some questions before you start working with someone remotely. 
·       Even if you are familiar with N3FJP Networking, please test access across the Internet before the contest.  Make sure everyone on your team knows how to setup their system. 
·       The ‘chat’ feature in Networking works GREAT!!!  We used it for testing and will use it for FL QSO party (and perhaps other contests) to hand over the ‘Duty’ to other operators.
·       We found it was OK for a user to modify his own records, but do NOT delete any records while the contest is in progress.  Write down the ID# and call sign and delete it afterwards. We found this to be true whether on a local network or over the Internet. 
·       Setup up and use a backup.  For Winter FD, we used a thumb drive on the server system and dumped a backup to the thumb drive every 15 minutes.  Didn't need it, and proud we didn't.
·       We recommend having the SERVER on a separate box, although Jay said his club has just used one of the user’s systems for the server.   Note that if you have a separate system for the server, a user on the same network needs to just enter the outside address of your ROUTER, just like everyone else.  
·       I wouldn’t recommend buying a new router, but My Netgear Velop has a phone app that makes all of this setup extremely easy.  If you own an Velop, use the app.  
·       If you start having problems, check to make sure that your Internet provider hasn’t changed your IP address of your ROUTER.  Also, check to make sure that the SERVER’s IP address hasn’t changed. 
·       And lastly, it works (so far)  for us.  I'm an ex-IT/Security guy. I know the risks we are taking.  I cannot be responsible for any problems YOU might have. 
 
WARNINGS from an ex-Fortune 500 IT Security Manager:
Your Router is being scanned regularly from the Internet looking for vulnerabilities to exploit. Normally, your router drops these attempted connections and you never see them.   What we are doing here is opening a TEMPORARY (please put it back afterwards) hole on TCP port 1000 from the Internet to your router to a specific system, which is your SERVER.   Don't open this up and leave it open!  Over time, a nefarious individual (probably from Russia or S.Korea)  WILL find it and WILL attempt an exploit. There may be a port 1000 vulnerability that Windows 10 is not protected against.  AND, this could make a mess of your DB.   Chances are small if you open it for a short time, do your testing and close it, open it for the contest and the close it. But don’t just leave it open.
 
N3FJP has no authentication for the Network feature. It was intended to be used by friends behind a router that no one can access except those friends. If you change your router with the network feature as described above to be used over the Internet, anyone who has this info and your router outside IP address can hop into your Server's log DB with you. Any and all who are on-line with the Network feature can add, change, and delete records…. even your whole log.  The IP Address is the key: Be careful of who you share it.
--
Ken - K4EES


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Scott Davis
 

Hi John,

All questions that you have and helpful replies to questions others have posted are very welcome and most appreciated.  Please never hesitate to post either!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

Chris -

I'm new to posting to the group so didn't know the rules.  Please EXCUSE ME.  I won't post anymore.

K1ESE


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:02 AM Christopher Scibelli via groups.io <nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Christopher Scibelli
 

I didn't tell anybody not to post.  I just repeated what Scott has often posted.  Please don't twist my words, and I really do mean that for you to get all you're looking for that you'll most likely need an actual Winkeyer.  I have one and I use it.

73,

Chris  NU1O


-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

Chris -

I'm new to posting to the group so didn't know the rules.  Please EXCUSE ME.  I won't post anymore.

K1ESE


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:02 AM Christopher Scibelli via groups.io <nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Re: Last Names not recording in log

Frank C. D'Amato
 

I also appreciate all the responses from the group.

Here is my fix

https://youtu.be/xWdbQ_uehqQ
--


Frank - KB2MXV


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

John Huffman
 

Chris -

I'm new to posting to the group so didn't know the rules.  Please EXCUSE ME.  I won't post anymore.

K1ESE


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:02 AM Christopher Scibelli via groups.io <nu1oscar=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Christopher Scibelli
 

Hi Scott,

I'm happy with what I have.  If I have a suggestion to better a program I'll pass it on.

73,

Chris  Nu1O


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Davis via groups.io <SNKDavis@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 11:11 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

Hi Chris,

While adding additional programs to the package is unlikely, enhancing the existing programs is always foremost in my mind (even if difficult with the growing customer support time constraints).  There are a lot of suggestions that don't work for one reason or another, but I'm always on the lookout for those suggestions that are a good fit with what N3FJP Software is about.

And as an aside, the fewer the number of programs I have to support, the more likely (and rapidly) changes can occur.  Even integrating a small change into 120 programs is a daunting task, what with adding the change, testing the change, recompiling the software, recreating the installer, uploading the software, updating the web site, sending the announcement, etc.

So, while the answer may often be no, please keep the suggestions coming!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Scibelli via groups.io <nu1oscar@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Objet : [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

VE9VIC...Rino
 

Thank for all your good work Scott, also thank to VE3KI , Rich for telling me about Adif master, I can do a lot of thing with my Adif before getting the Adif to my main N3FJP log, work with different contest log like N1MM, when doing the CWops contest I liek to get the SENT/RCV RST in my main log , well with Adif  master I was able to do that. I didn’t try all your contest log yet but I imagine I will be able to work my way to get what I want in my main log. When I’m not sure I was create one Adif line in the contest log and try different things until I get it.

 

73,

 

Rino, VE9VIC

 

De : Scott Davis via groups.io
Envoyé le :April 15, 2020 12:11 PM
À : N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Objet :Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

 

Hi Chris,

 

While adding additional programs to the package is unlikely, enhancing the existing programs is always foremost in my mind (even if difficult with the growing customer support time constraints).  There are a lot of suggestions that don't work for one reason or another, but I'm always on the lookout for those suggestions that are a good fit with what N3FJP Software is about.

 

And as an aside, the fewer the number of programs I have to support, the more likely (and rapidly) changes can occur.  Even integrating a small change into 120 programs is a daunting task, what with adding the change, testing the change, recompiling the software, recreating the installer, uploading the software, updating the web site, sending the announcement, etc.

 

So, while the answer may often be no, please keep the suggestions coming!

73, Scott

N3FJP

 

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

 

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Scibelli via groups.io <nu1oscar@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John

 


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Scott Davis
 

Hi Chris,

While adding additional programs to the package is unlikely, enhancing the existing programs is always foremost in my mind (even if difficult with the growing customer support time constraints).  There are a lot of suggestions that don't work for one reason or another, but I'm always on the lookout for those suggestions that are a good fit with what N3FJP Software is about.

And as an aside, the fewer the number of programs I have to support, the more likely (and rapidly) changes can occur.  Even integrating a small change into 120 programs is a daunting task, what with adding the change, testing the change, recompiling the software, recreating the installer, uploading the software, updating the web site, sending the announcement, etc.

So, while the answer may often be no, please keep the suggestions coming!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Scibelli via groups.io <nu1oscar@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Christopher Scibelli
 

I think you'd be better off with an actual WInkeyer, John.

Scott, has stated many times that just answering user's questions is a full-time job. I wouldn't look for software changes unless there is an actual bug in a program, but I'll let him reiterate if he elects to do so.

73,

Chris  NU1O



-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Re: Using CWops CWT Logger

Scott Davis
 

Hi John,

Thanks so much for your thoughts and observations.  I some responses inserted:

-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Using CWops CWT Logger

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

**  Ctrl + Shift + E or Settings > DX Spotting > Jump to Next Spot on Entry.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

**  Space bar and tab work identically in all my software (except for fields where a space in the data may occur).

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

**  Thanks!

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

**  That's a really interesting idea.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I will definitely give it some thought!

Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...

73,
K1ESE
John


Using CWops CWT Logger

John Huffman
 

This morning I tried the CWops CWT Logger for the first time.  I'm using the Flex SmartSDR CAT as a virtual Winkeyer.  My notes -

The SmartSDR CAT virtual Winkeyer does not allow extra spacing to be embedded in the message.  I can't add half a space between the ESE in my callsign.  I may just go back to a real Winkeyer.

I couldn't find the keyboard shortcut for "go to next spot" on the band map.  I did find where you can make that the default action after each QSO but didn't try it.

If you have TAB-SENDS-MESSAGE enabled you don't have to use the TAB key.  Enter a call, press SPACE BAR, enter or check the exchange received, hit ENTER.  SPACE BAR is easier to find than the TAB key.

The API transfer to AC Log is outstanding.

My wish list -  In other contest loggers when TSM is enabled, you have the option of starting the F2 (exchange) message automatically after a given number of callsign characters – you then complete the callsign while the exchange is being sent.  This is a huge advantage for those of us who type a bit slowly.  It would make CWops CWT Logger and the other N3FJP contest loggers perfect for me.

73,
K1ESE
John


Re: Interface to WSJT-X

Scott Davis
 

Hi John,

Thanks for your e-mail.  Yes, you'll find the instructions here:


Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: John Brock <brock71@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 10:00 am
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Interface to WSJT-X

Is it necessary to use JTAert to get FT-8 contacts to log into  ACL?
Where is the best place to look for  interface instructions?
Thanks
John
WA8US


Interface to WSJT-X

John Brock
 

Is it necessary to use JTAert to get FT-8 contacts to log into  ACL?
Where is the best place to look for  interface instructions?
Thanks
John
WA8US


Re: CWops CWT Log Setup with Flex

Scott Davis
 

Awesome information John, thanks loads!  :)

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: John Huffman <hjohnc@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 4:11 pm
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] CWops CWT Log Setup with Flex

Here are a few notes on setting up CWops CWT Contest Log with the Flex 6000 Series radios.

This is only for sending CW through CWops CWT Contest Log.  For fills use a paddle connected to the radio.

'SmartSDR CAT' creates virtual ports for accessories.  One type you can create uses a Port Protocol of "Winkeyer" and assigns a port number.  This is a virtual Winkeyer and will be used in this setup.

In the CWops CWT Contest Log go to Settings, then Transmit, Then CW Setup.  For COM PORT choose the port created by SmartSDR CAT.  For Keying Options Choose Winkeyer.  Click on Configure Winkeyer to set other options.  SmartSDR CAT will not respond to some of the options, but the important ones work.  One issue I found was that I was running another piece of software that had been controlling the SmartSDR CAT Winkeyer.  Closing that software solved the problem.

The detail on using the Winkeyer keying for F keys is found in the Description panel of the CW Setup form.

Here's how I set mine up -
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Running
F1 - CQ for running
F2 - exchange with callsign of station called
F3 - thank you and callsign, ready for next caller

S&P
F4 - my call for S&P contacts
F5 - S&P exchange

The magic is in TAB-SENDS-Message.  Enable it with CTRL-SHIFT-G.  Here's how it works -
Hit F1 to call CQ.  When you get a caller, type the call into the log's CALL box.  Hit TAB.  The logger will send the other op's call and you exchange and, if there is pre-fill information it will automatically be entered.  Check that it is right when the other op sends it and then hit ENTER.  The contact will be logged and TU and your callsign will be sent.  So... after entering the other op's call it took you a total of 2 keystrokes to log the QSO and ask for another.

Of course, if you need to add the name and number or correct a name or number that will take more keystrokes, but still when you are done hitting ENTER longs the contact and sends your TU/Callsign.

Hope that helps someone,
K1ESE



CWops CWT Log Setup with Flex

John Huffman
 

Here are a few notes on setting up CWops CWT Contest Log with the Flex 6000 Series radios.

This is only for sending CW through CWops CWT Contest Log.  For fills use a paddle connected to the radio.

'SmartSDR CAT' creates virtual ports for accessories.  One type you can create uses a Port Protocol of "Winkeyer" and assigns a port number.  This is a virtual Winkeyer and will be used in this setup.

In the CWops CWT Contest Log go to Settings, then Transmit, Then CW Setup.  For COM PORT choose the port created by SmartSDR CAT.  For Keying Options Choose Winkeyer.  Click on Configure Winkeyer to set other options.  SmartSDR CAT will not respond to some of the options, but the important ones work.  One issue I found was that I was running another piece of software that had been controlling the SmartSDR CAT Winkeyer.  Closing that software solved the problem.

The detail on using the Winkeyer keying for F keys is found in the Description panel of the CW Setup form.

Here's how I set mine up -
image.png

Running
F1 - CQ for running
F2 - exchange with callsign of station called
F3 - thank you and callsign, ready for next caller

S&P
F4 - my call for S&P contacts
F5 - S&P exchange

The magic is in TAB-SENDS-Message.  Enable it with CTRL-SHIFT-G.  Here's how it works -
Hit F1 to call CQ.  When you get a caller, type the call into the log's CALL box.  Hit TAB.  The logger will send the other op's call and you exchange and, if there is pre-fill information it will automatically be entered.  Check that it is right when the other op sends it and then hit ENTER.  The contact will be logged and TU and your callsign will be sent.  So... after entering the other op's call it took you a total of 2 keystrokes to log the QSO and ask for another.

Of course, if you need to add the name and number or correct a name or number that will take more keystrokes, but still when you are done hitting ENTER longs the contact and sends your TU/Callsign.

Hope that helps someone,
K1ESE



Re: Taking the QRP ARCI software to the modern age?

Jeff Logullo N0̸MII
 

I know we don’t need 50 replies to this thread with “me too,” but at risk of doing so, I’ll weigh in and say “me too!” I would welcome the update if it were possible.
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