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HPM 1.0 Dupe Scoring

Bob Wilson
 

Since this is the final day of the event, I thought this topic might be of interest to people before submitting their logs. Unless I have something configured incorrectly, it seems that logged dupes are scored incorrectly. If it really is a duplicate contact (i.e., same band/mode), a dupe should be scored as zero points -- it isn't. The duplicate QSO is treated the same as if it wasn't a dupe. It only happened a few times, so it was easy to go back and edit the dupe QSOs to zero points. The reason I log and submit dupes is because consider what happens if the other station failed to log the first contact for whatever reason (busted call, typo, or maybe didn't log due to QRM). In that scenario, both stations lose QSO credit because there is no match. Besides, it's easier and faster to just work any dupes responding to your CQ and move on.  :)

73, Bob N4XU


Re: Remove Dups selecting columns

Scott Davis
 

Thanks for the good suggestion Jim.  That's a lot more workable than customized criteria.



73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Shorney <jshorney@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Remove Dups selecting columns


Maybe a simple answer would be an optional "contest mode" for the dupe checker that would only look for dupes based on call, date/time, band, and mode. I would venture a guess that those are the important criteria 90% of the time.

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:57:15 +0000 (UTC)
"Scott Davis via Groups.Io" <SNKDavis=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

> Hi Bo,
> Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.  You might first try clicking Edit > Fill Fields Determined by Call.  Then run the remove dupe function.  Odds are one of the QSO record duplicates was given additional info as the result of an LoTW download, etc.
> I will give customizable criteria some thought for the future.
> Enjoy!
>
> 73, ScottN3FJPhttp://www.n3fjp.com
> Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.
> 1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bo Barry <bobarr@...>
> To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
> Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 3:34 pm
> Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Remove Dups selecting columns
>
> Scott
> How about loosening up the remove dups algorithm to allow selection of selected columns?
>
> I import my Raspberry pi logs now and then (and forget to delete them) and the remove dups doesn't work.
> I have tons of dupes that evidentally vary in one particular column.
>
> Got my RigPi and IC-7610 all remoted now. Awesome.




Re: Remove Dups selecting columns

Jim Shorney
 

Maybe a simple answer would be an optional "contest mode" for the dupe checker that would only look for dupes based on call, date/time, band, and mode. I would venture a guess that those are the important criteria 90% of the time.

73

-Jim
NU0C


On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:57:15 +0000 (UTC)
"Scott Davis via Groups.Io" <SNKDavis=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Bo,
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.  You might first try clicking Edit > Fill Fields Determined by Call.  Then run the remove dupe function.  Odds are one of the QSO record duplicates was given additional info as the result of an LoTW download, etc.
I will give customizable criteria some thought for the future.
Enjoy!

73, ScottN3FJPhttp://www.n3fjp.com
Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.
1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...

-----Original Message-----
From: Bo Barry <bobarr@gmail.com>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 3:34 pm
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Remove Dups selecting columns

Scott
How about loosening up the remove dups algorithm to allow selection of selected columns?

I import my Raspberry pi logs now and then (and forget to delete them) and the remove dups doesn't work.
I have tons of dupes that evidentally vary in one particular column.

Got my RigPi and IC-7610 all remoted now. Awesome.


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Tom Ellis
 

Tom,

 

I think your computer is clamping down on the programs talking.

I just installed the latest versions of CWops CWT Contest Log 2.0 and FLDigi 4.0.16 and I was able to get them to connect right away.

When I checked the API box in the CWT program, I had to log in as an Administrator. Did you have to do this a well?

Attached is the screen shot from my computer, it is two monitors worth.

 

Tom

K5TEE

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io [mailto:N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Kaib
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2019 3:30 PM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

 

Scott

FYI.  I installed ACL and it talks to fldigi with the same settings.  When I click on a call in fldigi the data transfers to N3FJP.  I also see additional data transfer after the <PROGRAM> request. CW Open and CWT do not work.  Using fldigi V4.1.08 and ACL 6.5.  It seems like, for me anyway, fldigi does interface with N3FLP CW Open and CWT logs.

Tom
NS3U


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Scott Davis
 

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your follow up.  You should definitely ping Dave, W1HKJ (author of FLDigi) . The same API class is used in all of my software and your additional info confirms they are talking fine.  I know that Dave supports the vast majority of my programs, but not all of them.  With the CW emphasis (no digital), it is entirely possible he has not coded support for these two specifically.  Dave can answer that for your definitively here:

https://groups.io/g/winfldigi/

In addition, your expression of interest to Dave may help motivate him to support them, if he doesn't already.

As an aside, there are other digital programs that support all of my software, though I'm not sure if any others decode CW (which I assume is the reason for your interest for CW Ops / CWT interface).  The complete list is here:


http://www.n3fjp.com/faq.html#q50

Enjoy!


73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kaib <tekaib@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Scott

FYI.  I installed ACL and it talks to fldigi with the same settings.  When I click on a call in fldigi the data transfers to N3FJP.  I also see additional data transfer after the <PROGRAM> request. CW Open and CWT do not work.  Using fldigi V4.1.08 and ACL 6.5.  It seems like, for me anyway, fldigi does interface with N3FLP CW Open and CWT logs.

Tom
NS3U


Re: Remove Dups selecting columns

Scott Davis
 

Hi Bo,

Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.  You might first try clicking Edit > Fill Fields Determined by Call.  Then run the remove dupe function.  Odds are one of the QSO record duplicates was given additional info as the result of an LoTW download, etc.

I will give customizable criteria some thought for the future.

Enjoy!

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Bo Barry <bobarr@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 3:34 pm
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Remove Dups selecting columns

Scott
How about loosening up the remove dups algorithm to allow selection of selected columns?

I import my Raspberry pi logs now and then (and forget to delete them) and the remove dups doesn't work.
I have tons of dupes that evidentally vary in one particular column.

Got my RigPi and IC-7610 all remoted now. Awesome.
--
Bo W4GHV since '54


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Tom Kaib
 

Scott

FYI.  I installed ACL and it talks to fldigi with the same settings.  When I click on a call in fldigi the data transfers to N3FJP.  I also see additional data transfer after the <PROGRAM> request. CW Open and CWT do not work.  Using fldigi V4.1.08 and ACL 6.5.  It seems like, for me anyway, fldigi does interface with N3FLP CW Open and CWT logs.

Tom
NS3U


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Tom Kaib
 

Lesson learned.  Try before you buy.  

Thanks for the help.

Tom
NS3U


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Scott Davis
 

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your follow up.  I'm sorry that you are still having trouble.  I've not ever had to do anything but install FLDigi and implement the set up steps I referenced previously.  No one else has reported what you are experiencing either.  When you right click on the call in FLDigi, it should show up automatically and seamlessly in N3FJP.

It should be extremely simple.  Like I say, the only thing needed on the N3FJP side is to enable the API.  There is nothing else to do on the N3FJP side as FLDigi handles the rest.

I suggest that you post your question here:

https://groups.io/g/winfldigi/

The FLDigi folks will likely be much better able to help with what you are experiencing.


73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kaib <tekaib@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Scott

I have gone through all of the configuration steps.  Fldigi seems to be polling the logger with <CMD><PROGRAM></CMD> continuously.  N3FJP is responding with <ProgramResponse> N3FJP's CW Open Contest Log.  This cycle just repeats.  I assume by sending a call sign you mean right clicking on it in fldigi and selecting call.  When I do that the call sign field is populated in fldigi but nothing happens in N3FJP.  If I am watching the TCP data stream when I do this I see nothing additional being sent to N3FJP by fldigi.

Again I never get a green connected indicator in fldigi.  It seems that the response to the program request is not recognized.  Do you know if there are additional files needed for fldigi that have the definitions for your application?

Thanks for answering.

Tom
NS3U


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Tom Kaib
 

Scott

I have gone through all of the configuration steps.  Fldigi seems to be polling the logger with <CMD><PROGRAM></CMD> continuously.  N3FJP is responding with <ProgramResponse> N3FJP's CW Open Contest Log.  This cycle just repeats.  I assume by sending a call sign you mean right clicking on it in fldigi and selecting call.  When I do that the call sign field is populated in fldigi but nothing happens in N3FJP.  If I am watching the TCP data stream when I do this I see nothing additional being sent to N3FJP by fldigi.

Again I never get a green connected indicator in fldigi.  It seems that the response to the program request is not recognized.  Do you know if there are additional files needed for fldigi that have the definitions for your application?

Thanks for answering.

Tom
NS3U


Remove Dups selecting columns

Bo Barry <bobarr@...>
 

Scott
How about loosening up the remove dups algorithm to allow selection of selected columns?

I import my Raspberry pi logs now and then (and forget to delete them) and the remove dups doesn't work.
I have tons of dupes that evidentally vary in one particular column.

Got my RigPi and IC-7610 all remoted now. Awesome.
--
Bo W4GHV since '54


Re: fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Scott Davis
 

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your e-mail.  I'm sorry that you have run into trouble.  All that is required on the N3FJP side is to enable the API.  The rest is handled by FL Digi.  You will find those quick steps here:

http://www.n3fjp.com/help/digitalsetup.html#fldigi

What happens when you attempt to send a call sign to N3FJP from FL Digi after performing the steps detailed in the above link?

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kaib <tekaib@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 12:12 pm
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

I just purchased the full N3FJP software suite and can't seem to get anything to work between fldigi and the logger.  I have gone through the setup documentation and think I have everything correct.  When I look at the data stream in fldigi configuration I can see an exchange between fldigi and N3FJP but the same thing seems to just repeat.  I also never get the connected light to turn green per the documentation.  All I see is what is attached.

Can anyone shed any light on this?  I have been using N1MM for CWT and like the interaction between fldigi and N1MM.  I heard so many good things about the N3FJP software that I thought I would give it a try expecting similar functionality.  I'm a little disappointed at this point.

Any help would be appreciated.

Tom - NS3U



fldigi setup with N3FJP CWT and CW open

Tom Kaib
 

I just purchased the full N3FJP software suite and can't seem to get anything to work between fldigi and the logger.  I have gone through the setup documentation and think I have everything correct.  When I look at the data stream in fldigi configuration I can see an exchange between fldigi and N3FJP but the same thing seems to just repeat.  I also never get the connected light to turn green per the documentation.  All I see is what is attached.

Can anyone shed any light on this?  I have been using N1MM for CWT and like the interaction between fldigi and N1MM.  I heard so many good things about the N3FJP software that I thought I would give it a try expecting similar functionality.  I'm a little disappointed at this point.

Any help would be appreciated.

Tom - NS3U


Re: Can ACLog be installed and operated from a thumbdrive?

Mike Olbrisch
 

The whole program?  I don’t think so.  But you can try it.  I do know for certain you can load AC-Log on multiple computers, and keep your log database on a thumb drive.

 

Mike – KD5KC -- El Paso -- Texas.

 

The canyons are calling, colorful and deep.  But I have promises to keep.

And miles to go still in my Jeep...   And miles to go still in my Jeep...

 

Big Bend JEEP Rear

 

ADVENTURE:  The respectful pursuit of trouble.

 

 

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:50 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] Can ACLog be installed and operated from a thumbdrive?

 

Is it possible to install ACLog on a thumb drive so that it can be easily used on different computers?


Can ACLog be installed and operated from a thumbdrive?

John
 

Is it possible to install ACLog on a thumb drive so that it can be easily used on different computers?


Re: LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

Scott Davis
 

Hi Don,

Yes, I am really surprised HPM isn't generating more activity.  The rule set is cool and it has a nice, multi day approach, like the 13 colonies event, which has tons of participation.  Just not enough publicity I guess?

73, Scott
N3FJP

Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging software since 1997.

1 Peter 3 vs 15: Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect...


-----Original Message-----
From: Don N4KC <don@...>
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 11:07 am
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

Scott, firstly, thank you for diving in and getting the HPM software ready and available. Regret that decision yet? :-)

Secondly, it may only be my perception but I don't see much activity at all. My effort has been limited as well but when I do give it a go, I quickly work the three or four stations I hear on that band/mode and there is nobody left. Or I call CQ, get a few passersby--many of whom have no idea what this "HPM" and "/150" thing is all about and I have to coax a section and ARRL membership status out of them...especially on CW--and nothing more. Bands are bad, I agree. Maybe things will pick up over the weekend...when I will have even less time to play!

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
   
   


Re: LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

Mike Olbrisch
 

This is interesting indeed.  I have not operated from VE, XE, KL7 or KH6.  But I have operated from DL, HB9, HB0, OE and OK.  CEPT requires that the country of operation prefix your own call, so I have thousands of QSOs logged as DL/KD5KC for example.

 

In the several trips over, and the ensuing LoTW uploads and downloads, not once has this failed.  The only point I can make from my observance is that a greater number of North American stations participate in LoTW than do European stations.

 

The only thing I can tell you about AC-Log is that your OWN CALL block on the LoTW page of AC-Log must match the call you are trying to download.

 

For example, if I want to download or check conformations using AC-Log, having KD5KC will only bring down my USA QSOs and confirmations.  If I want the German confirmations, that block must be DL/KD5KC.  And if I want the Liechtenstein conformations, it needs to be HB0/KD5KC.

 

If you are keeping separate logs (as I do), be certain you have the right log opened before you start playing.  Otherwise it gets messy.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Mike – KD5KC -- El Paso -- Texas.

 

The canyons are calling, colorful and deep.  But I have promises to keep.

And miles to go still in my Jeep...   And miles to go still in my Jeep...

 

Big Bend JEEP Rear

 

ADVENTURE:  The respectful pursuit of trouble.

 

 

 

 

From: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen E. Belter
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 7:48 AM
To: N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

 

Steve,

 

Your symptoms sound like a gotcha that bites me whenever I rove outside of the 48 states.  You won’t see confirmations in ACLog, even though they are confirmed in LoTW, unless you put your call *with suffix* in the box labeled Own Call (optional) as shown in the attached picture.

 

I may not understand how this is supposed to work, but if you uploaded and signed the file with suffix like /KL7 or /150, the Own Call is *not* optional.  My call is N9IP, but when I rove from Alaska or Canada, my certifications from LoTW are for N9IP/VY1, N9IP/VE6, N9IP/VE7, or N9IP/KL7.  The screen shot shows N9IP/KL7.

 

Good luck!

 

73, Steve N9IP

-- 

Steve Belter, seb@...

 

 

From: <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> on behalf of "Steve Carter via Groups.Io" <steve@...>
Reply-To: "N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io" <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Date: Friday, September 6, 2019 at 8:29 AM
To: "N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io" <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

 

That may be, but I suspect it's a problem with TQSL.  I tried again to upload the contacts using the "/150" station location I got from ARRL and nothing happened.  So just on a whim, I uploaded them again using the plain (not "/150") station location and they were accepted again, and this time all came back as being updated.  Perhaps I set it up TQSL wrong.

This is one of those issues that's not worth messing with.  CW activity on HPM is quite low, band conditions still suck, there is a NA Sprint this weekend and I've worked nearly every station signing "/150" I can hear.  Thanks for getting back, though.

72's de KØGUZ


Re: LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

 

Scott, firstly, thank you for diving in and getting the HPM software ready and available. Regret that decision yet? :-)

Secondly, it may only be my perception but I don't see much activity at all. My effort has been limited as well but when I do give it a go, I quickly work the three or four stations I hear on that band/mode and there is nobody left. Or I call CQ, get a few passersby--many of whom have no idea what this "HPM" and "/150" thing is all about and I have to coax a section and ARRL membership status out of them...especially on CW--and nothing more. Bands are bad, I agree. Maybe things will pick up over the weekend...when I will have even less time to play!

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
   
   


Re: LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

Stephen E. Belter
 

Steve,

 

Your symptoms sound like a gotcha that bites me whenever I rove outside of the 48 states.  You won’t see confirmations in ACLog, even though they are confirmed in LoTW, unless you put your call *with suffix* in the box labeled Own Call (optional) as shown in the attached picture.

 

I may not understand how this is supposed to work, but if you uploaded and signed the file with suffix like /KL7 or /150, the Own Call is *not* optional.  My call is N9IP, but when I rove from Alaska or Canada, my certifications from LoTW are for N9IP/VY1, N9IP/VE6, N9IP/VE7, or N9IP/KL7.  The screen shot shows N9IP/KL7.

 

Good luck!

 

73, Steve N9IP

-- 

Steve Belter, seb@...

 

 

From: <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io> on behalf of "Steve Carter via Groups.Io" <steve@...>
Reply-To: "N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io" <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Date: Friday, September 6, 2019 at 8:29 AM
To: "N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io" <N3FJPSoftwareUsers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [N3FJPSoftwareUsers] LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

 

That may be, but I suspect it's a problem with TQSL.  I tried again to upload the contacts using the "/150" station location I got from ARRL and nothing happened.  So just on a whim, I uploaded them again using the plain (not "/150") station location and they were accepted again, and this time all came back as being updated.  Perhaps I set it up TQSL wrong.

This is one of those issues that's not worth messing with.  CW activity on HPM is quite low, band conditions still suck, there is a NA Sprint this weekend and I've worked nearly every station signing "/150" I can hear.  Thanks for getting back, though.

72's de KØGUZ


Re: LOTW, ACL and Hiram Percy Maxim

Steve Carter
 

That may be, but I suspect it's a problem with TQSL.  I tried again to upload the contacts using the "/150" station location I got from ARRL and nothing happened.  So just on a whim, I uploaded them again using the plain (not "/150") station location and they were accepted again, and this time all came back as being updated.  Perhaps I set it up TQSL wrong.

This is one of those issues that's not worth messing with.  CW activity on HPM is quite low, band conditions still suck, there is a NA Sprint this weekend and I've worked nearly every station signing "/150" I can hear.  Thanks for getting back, though.

72's de KØGUZ

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