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so2r and cabrillo problem

Oguzhan Kayhan
 

Hello

I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
Made a few dummy qsos to test..

But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
You can see the two qsos I made for test
image.png
image.png
One is with radio1 other is radio2
mode selected so2r
image.png


This is cabrillo file generated
image.png
no sign of radio 1-2

and also on adif export
<CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311 <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000 <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100 <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1 <APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1 <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
 <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320 <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000 <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100 <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3 <APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1 <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>

What am I missing?
Contest selected is cq-ww
version: 1.0.8006.0



Steve London
 

SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
Hello
I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
Made a few dummy qsos to test..
But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
You can see the two qsos I made for test
image.png
image.png
One is with radio1 other is radio2
mode selected so2r
image.png
This is cabrillo file generated
image.png
*_no sign of radio 1-2_*
and also on adif export
<CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311 <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000 <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100 <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1 <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1 <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
 <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320 <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000 <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100 <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3 *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1 *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
What am I missing?
Contest selected is cq-ww
version: 1.0.8006.0

Oguzhan Kayhan
 

hello steve
Tu for reply..
When I check the cq ww page.. it is written

QSOqso-data
The qso-data format is shown below.

                              --------info sent------- -------info rcvd--------
QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch   call          rst exch   t
QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn ****** n
QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59  03     JT1Z          59  23     0

000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901

Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO categories, the last column in the log indicates which transmitter made the QSO. It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for other categories.


So, I switched to multi-one...

I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..

Made a few dummy qsos more..

adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1 and 2..

But this time..

CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     EA1AA         59  14     0
QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     AA1AA         59  05     0
QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     YO2AA         59  20     0 


All seem like radio 0

Does it indicates only the active radio? Should't suppose to show the TX radio to indicate the multiplier radio?




On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:
SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
> Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
> Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
> Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>
> But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
> You can see the two qsos I made for test
> image.png
> image.png
> One is with radio1 other is radio2
> mode selected so2r
> image.png
>
>
> This is cabrillo file generated
> image.png
> *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>
> and also on adif export
> <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
> <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000 <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
> <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
> <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
> <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
> <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
> <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
> <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000 <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
> <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
> <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
> *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
> *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
> <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>
> What am I missing?
> Contest selected is cq-ww
> version: 1.0.8006.0
>
>
>
>



Steve London
 

If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+ requires that you use separate computers for each radio, and that the computers be networked together.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
hello steve
Tu for reply..
When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
*QSO*: /qso-data/
The qso-data format is shown below.
--------info sent------- -------info rcvd--------
QSO: freq mo date time call rst exch call rst exch t
QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn ****** n
QSO: 3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW 59 03 JT1Z 59 23 0
000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO categories, the last column in the log indicates which transmitter made the QSO. It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for other categories.
So, I switched to multi-one...
I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
Made a few dummy qsos more..
adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1 and 2..
But this time..
CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     EA1AA         59  14     0
QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     AA1AA         59  05     0
QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     YO2AA         59  20     0
All seem like radio 0
Does it indicates only the active radio? Should't suppose to show the TX radio to indicate the multiplier radio?
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.
73,
Steve, N2IC
On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
> Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
> Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
> Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>
> But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
> You can see the two qsos I made for test
> image.png
> image.png
> One is with radio1 other is radio2
> mode selected so2r
> image.png
>
>
> This is cabrillo file generated
> image.png
> *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>
> and also on adif export
> <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
> <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000
<CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
> <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
> <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
> <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
> <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
> <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
> <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
<CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
> <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
> <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
> *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
> *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
> <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>
> What am I missing?
> Contest selected is cq-ww
> version: 1.0.8006.0
>
>
>
>

Oguzhan Kayhan
 

oh I see
Ok.. lets try it with an additional  virtual pc then
Thank you.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:
If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+ requires that you use
separate computers for each radio, and that the computers be networked together.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> hello steve
> Tu for reply..
> When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>
> *QSO*: /qso-data/
> The qso-data format is shown below.
>
>                                --------info sent------- -------info rcvd--------
> QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch   call          rst exch   t
> QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn ****** n
> QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59  03     JT1Z          59  23     0
>
> 000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
> Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
> categories, the last column in the log indicates which transmitter made the QSO.
> It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for other categories.
>
>
> So, I switched to multi-one...
>
> I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>
> Made a few dummy qsos more..
>
> adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1 and 2..
>
> But this time..
>
> CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     EA1AA         59  14     0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     AA1AA         59  05     0
> QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     YO2AA         59  20     0
>
>
> All seem like radio 0
>
> Does it indicates only the active radio? Should't suppose to show the TX radio
> to indicate the multiplier radio?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
> <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.
>
>     73,
>     Steve, N2IC
>
>     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>      > Hello
>      >
>      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
>      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
>      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>      >
>      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>      > image.png
>      > image.png
>      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>      > mode selected so2r
>      > image.png
>      >
>      >
>      > This is cabrillo file generated
>      > image.png
>      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>      >
>      > and also on adif export
>      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>      >
>      > What am I missing?
>      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>
>
>
>



Oguzhan Kayhan
 

Hello Steve and other developers ,

I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with single or multi-multi usage..

As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this, Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi) on the log.
But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)

As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for multi-one usage..
And indicates this also:
Users Please Note
Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from 2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R expectations 

During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy. Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control. SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial) 
That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..

On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial.  And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller on first computer. 
image.png
So on this circumstance,
1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself.  And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx status by changing focus.


Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too complicated to handle during actual contest?

SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have to use two computers?????

Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?

Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R controllers.. Working fantastic.. 
But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi

Regards


TA2NC





On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:
If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+ requires that you use
separate computers for each radio, and that the computers be networked together.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> hello steve
> Tu for reply..
> When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>
> *QSO*: /qso-data/
> The qso-data format is shown below.
>
>                                --------info sent------- -------info rcvd--------
> QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch   call          rst exch   t
> QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn ****** n
> QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59  03     JT1Z          59  23     0
>
> 000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
> Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
> categories, the last column in the log indicates which transmitter made the QSO.
> It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for other categories.
>
>
> So, I switched to multi-one...
>
> I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>
> Made a few dummy qsos more..
>
> adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1 and 2..
>
> But this time..
>
> CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     EA1AA         59  14     0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     AA1AA         59  05     0
> QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     YO2AA         59  20     0
>
>
> All seem like radio 0
>
> Does it indicates only the active radio? Should't suppose to show the TX radio
> to indicate the multiplier radio?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
> <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.
>
>     73,
>     Steve, N2IC
>
>     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>      > Hello
>      >
>      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
>      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
>      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>      >
>      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>      > image.png
>      > image.png
>      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>      > mode selected so2r
>      > image.png
>      >
>      >
>      > This is cabrillo file generated
>      > image.png
>      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>      >
>      > and also on adif export
>      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>      >
>      > What am I missing?
>      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>
>
>
>



ve3ki
 

What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?

If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).

The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite different from a single operator doing SO2R.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
Hello Steve and other developers ,
 
I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with single or multi-multi usage..
 
As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this, Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi) on the log.
But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
 
As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for multi-one usage..
And indicates this also:
Users Please Note
Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from 2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R expectations 
 
During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy. Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control. SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial) 
That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
 
On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial.  And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller on first computer. 
So on this circumstance,
1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself.  And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx status by changing focus.
 
 
Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too complicated to handle during actual contest?
 
SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have to use two computers?????
 
Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
 
Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R controllers.. Working fantastic.. 
But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
 
Regards
 
 
TA2NC
 
 
 
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:
If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+ requires that you use
separate computers for each radio, and that the computers be networked together.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> hello steve
> Tu for reply..
> When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>
> *QSO*: /qso-data/
> The qso-data format is shown below.
>
>                                --------info sent------- -------info rcvd--------
> QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch   call          rst exch   t
> QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn ****** n
> QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59  03     JT1Z          59  23     0
>
> 000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
> Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
> categories, the last column in the log indicates which transmitter made the QSO.
> It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for other categories.
>
>
> So, I switched to multi-one...
>
> I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>
> Made a few dummy qsos more..
>
> adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1 and 2..
>
> But this time..
>
> CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     EA1AA         59  14     0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     AA1AA         59  05     0
> QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     YO2AA         59  20     0
>
>
> All seem like radio 0
>
> Does it indicates only the active radio? Should't suppose to show the TX radio
> to indicate the multiplier radio?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
> <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.
>
>     73,
>     Steve, N2IC
>
>     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>      > Hello
>      >
>      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
>      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
>      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>      >
>      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>      > image.png
>      > image.png
>      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>      > mode selected so2r
>      > image.png
>      >
>      >
>      > This is cabrillo file generated
>      > image.png
>      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>      >
>      > and also on adif export
>      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>      >
>      > What am I missing?
>      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>
>
>
>



Oguzhan Kayhan
 

Hello Rich
I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on multi-one( or multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it more clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?



I even draw to give a better example what is the problem with this on single operator using two computers with so2r setup with multione operation

Single op doesn't need any change.
Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two different computers.

What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with single operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible to use with so2r controller as I explained. 


Please read my previous email again

Regards



Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...> şunu yazdı:

What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?

If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).

The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite different from a single operator doing SO2R.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
Hello Steve and other developers ,
 
I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with single or multi-multi usage..
 
As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this, Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi) on the log.
But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
 
As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for multi-one usage..
And indicates this also:
Users Please Note
Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from 2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R expectations 
 
During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy. Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control. SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial) 
That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
 
On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial.  And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller on first computer. 
image.png
So on this circumstance,
1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself.  And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx status by changing focus.
 
 
Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too complicated to handle during actual contest?
 
SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have to use two computers?????
 
Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
 
Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R controllers.. Working fantastic.. 
But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
 
Regards
 
 
TA2NC
 
 
 
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:
If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+ requires that you use
separate computers for each radio, and that the computers be networked together.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> hello steve
> Tu for reply..
> When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>
> *QSO*: /qso-data/
> The qso-data format is shown below.
>
>                                --------info sent------- -------info rcvd--------
> QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch   call          rst exch   t
> QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ****** ************* nnn ****** n
> QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59  03     JT1Z          59  23     0
>
> 000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
> Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
> categories, the last column in the log indicates which transmitter made the QSO.
> It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for other categories.
>
>
> So, I switched to multi-one...
>
> I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>
> Made a few dummy qsos more..
>
> adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1 and 2..
>
> But this time..
>
> CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     EA1AA         59  14     0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     AA1AA         59  05     0
> QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20     YO2AA         59  20     0
>
>
> All seem like radio 0
>
> Does it indicates only the active radio? Should't suppose to show the TX radio
> to indicate the multiplier radio?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
> <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio number in the Cabrillo log.
>
>     73,
>     Steve, N2IC
>
>     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>      > Hello
>      >
>      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino controller.
>      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used together nice and easy..
>      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>      >
>      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>      > image.png
>      > image.png
>      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>      > mode selected so2r
>      > image.png
>      >
>      >
>      > This is cabrillo file generated
>      > image.png
>      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>      >
>      > and also on adif export
>      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:8>14.20000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106 <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59 <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14 <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0 <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>      >
>      > What am I missing?
>      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>
>
>
>



Tom Wagner (N1MM)
 

You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single operator.  You want to use a single computer in SO2R.

That is not supported.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
Hello Rich
I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on multi-one( or multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it more clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?



I even draw to give a better example what is the problem with this on single operator using two computers with so2r setup with multione operation

Single op doesn't need any change.
Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two different computers.

What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with single operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible to use with so2r controller as I explained.


Please read my previous email again

Regards



Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@... <mailto:ve3iay@...>> şunu yazdı:

What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?

If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then
the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the
Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of
contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in
SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem
because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You
can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to
find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated
in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R
(moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).

The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the
Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator
classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There
are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit
simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in
SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but
not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike
SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot
call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but
this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite
different from a single operator doing SO2R.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:

Hello Steve and other developers ,
I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the
SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with
single or multi-multi usage..
As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this,
Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi)
on the log.
But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on
multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of
multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers
takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
multi-one usage..
And indicates this also:
*Users Please Note*
Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature
Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R
expectations
During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I
needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy.
Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control.
SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial. 
And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller
on first computer.
image.png
So on this circumstance,
1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the
first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself. 
And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or
actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first
computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx
status by changing focus.
Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too
complicated to handle during actual contest?
SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And
as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more
advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have
to use two computers?????
Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all
functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
controllers.. Working fantastic..
But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
Regards
TA2NC

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
<mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:

If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
requires that you use
separate computers for each radio, and that the computers
be networked together.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> hello steve
> Tu for reply..
> When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>
> *QSO*: /qso-data/
> The qso-data format is shown below.
>
>                                --------info sent-------
-------info rcvd--------
> QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch 
 call          rst exch   t
> QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ******
************* nnn ****** n
> QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59 03   
 JT1Z          59  23     0
>
>
000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>
> Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
> categories, the last column in the log indicates which
transmitter made the QSO.
> It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for
other categories.
>
>
> So, I switched to multi-one...
>
> I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>
> Made a few dummy qsos more..
>
> adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1
and 2..
>
> But this time..
>
> CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
EA1AA         59  14     0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
AA1AA         59  05     0
> QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
YO2AA         59  20     0
>
>
> All seem like radio 0
>
> Does it indicates only the active radio?
Should't suppose to show the TX radio
> to indicate the multiplier radio?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
<n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
> <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>
>     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio
number in the Cabrillo log.
>
>     73,
>     Steve, N2IC
>
>     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>      > Hello
>      >
>      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino
controller.
>      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
together nice and easy..
>      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>      >
>      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>      > image.png
>      > image.png
>      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>      > mode selected so2r
>      > image.png
>      >
>      >
>      > This is cabrillo file generated
>      > image.png
>      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>      >
>      > and also on adif export
>      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
<TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
<FREQ:8>14.20000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
<RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
<APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
<APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
<APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
<APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
<TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
<RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
<APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
<APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
<APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
<APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>      >
>      > What am I missing?
>      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>
>
>
>



Oguzhan Kayhan
 

Hello Tom
There is a category as multione as you know
Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times

I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn the reason behind it.

Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> şunu yazdı:

You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single operator.  You
want to use a single computer in SO2R.

That is not supported.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Rich
> I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on multi-one( or
> multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it more
> clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>
>
>
> I even draw to give a better example what is the problem with this on
> single operator using two computers with so2r setup with multione
> operation
>
> Single op doesn't need any change.
> Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two different computers.
>
> What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with single
> operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible to use
> with so2r controller as I explained.
>
>
> Please read my previous email again
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
> <mailto:ve3iay@...>> şunu yazdı:
>
>     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>
>     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then
>     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of
>     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in
>     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem
>     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You
>     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to
>     find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated
>     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R
>     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>
>     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator
>     classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There
>     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit
>     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in
>     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but
>     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike
>     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot
>     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but
>     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite
>     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>
>     73,
>     Rich VE3KI
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>
>         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the
>         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with
>         single or multi-multi usage..
>         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this,
>         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi)
>         on the log.
>         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on
>         multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of
>         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers
>         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>         multi-one usage..
>         And indicates this also:
>         *Users Please Note*
>         Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature
>         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R
>         expectations
>         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I
>         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy.
>         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control.
>         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>         controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
>         On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial. 
>         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller
>         on first computer.
>         image.png
>         So on this circumstance,
>         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the
>         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself. 
>         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or
>         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>         computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first
>         computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx
>         status by changing focus.
>         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too
>         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>         SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And
>         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more
>         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have
>         to use two computers?????
>         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all
>         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
>         Regards
>         TA2NC
>
>         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
>         <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>             requires that you use
>             separate computers for each radio, and that the computers
>             be networked together.
>
>             73,
>             Steve, N2IC
>
>             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             > hello steve
>             > Tu for reply..
>             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>             >
>             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>             >
>             >                                --------info sent-------
>             -------info rcvd--------
>             > QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch 
>              call          rst exch   t
>             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ******
>             ************* nnn ****** n
>             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59 03   
>              JT1Z          59  23     0
>             >
>             >
>             000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>             >
>             123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>             >
>             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>             > categories, the last column in the log indicates which
>             transmitter made the QSO.
>             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for
>             other categories.
>             >
>             >
>             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>             >
>             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>             >
>             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>             >
>             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1
>             and 2..
>             >
>             > But this time..
>             >
>             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             EA1AA         59  14     0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             AA1AA         59  05     0
>             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             YO2AA         59  20     0
>             >
>             >
>             > All seem like radio 0
>             >
>             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>             >
>             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio
>             number in the Cabrillo log.
>             >
>             >     73,
>             >     Steve, N2IC
>             >
>             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             >      > Hello
>             >      >
>             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino
>             controller.
>             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>             together nice and easy..
>             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>             >      >
>             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>             >      > mode selected so2r
>             >      > image.png
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>             >      >
>             >      > and also on adif export
>             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>             >      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>             >      >
>             >      > What am I missing?
>             >      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>             >      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>
>
>
>



Jamie WW3S
 

Because SO2R is not within the multi single rules.....in ms you cannot cq on 2 bands at one time, SO2R you can....in mult single you can only work multipliers on the second radio, SO2R you can work anyone....mult single is much more restricted than SO2R. In mult single there are band change rules, SO2R, none....to operate within the rules of mult single, track band changes, software lockouts, etc, it requires each station to be networked with its own pc....


On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan <oguzhan@...> wrote:


Hello Tom
There is a category as multione as you know
Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times

I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn the reason behind it.

Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> şunu yazdı:
You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single operator.  You
want to use a single computer in SO2R.

That is not supported.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Rich
> I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on multi-one( or
> multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it more
> clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>
>
>
> I even draw to give a better example what is the problem with this on
> single operator using two computers with so2r setup with multione
> operation
>
> Single op doesn't need any change.
> Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two different computers.
>
> What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with single
> operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible to use
> with so2r controller as I explained.
>
>
> Please read my previous email again
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
> <mailto:ve3iay@...>> şunu yazdı:
>
>     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>
>     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then
>     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of
>     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in
>     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem
>     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You
>     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to
>     find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated
>     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R
>     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>
>     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator
>     classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There
>     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit
>     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in
>     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but
>     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike
>     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot
>     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but
>     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite
>     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>
>     73,
>     Rich VE3KI
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>
>         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the
>         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with
>         single or multi-multi usage..
>         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this,
>         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi)
>         on the log.
>         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on
>         multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of
>         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers
>         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>         multi-one usage..
>         And indicates this also:
>         *Users Please Note*
>         Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature
>         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R
>         expectations
>         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I
>         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy.
>         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control.
>         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>         controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
>         On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial. 
>         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller
>         on first computer.
>         image.png
>         So on this circumstance,
>         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the
>         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself. 
>         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or
>         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>         computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first
>         computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx
>         status by changing focus.
>         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too
>         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>         SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And
>         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more
>         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have
>         to use two computers?????
>         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all
>         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
>         Regards
>         TA2NC
>
>         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
>         <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>             requires that you use
>             separate computers for each radio, and that the computers
>             be networked together.
>
>             73,
>             Steve, N2IC
>
>             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             > hello steve
>             > Tu for reply..
>             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>             >
>             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>             >
>             >                                --------info sent-------
>             -------info rcvd--------
>             > QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch 
>              call          rst exch   t
>             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ******
>             ************* nnn ****** n
>             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59 03   
>              JT1Z          59  23     0
>             >
>             >
>             000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>             >
>             123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>             >
>             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>             > categories, the last column in the log indicates which
>             transmitter made the QSO.
>             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for
>             other categories.
>             >
>             >
>             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>             >
>             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>             >
>             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>             >
>             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1
>             and 2..
>             >
>             > But this time..
>             >
>             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             EA1AA         59  14     0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             AA1AA         59  05     0
>             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             YO2AA         59  20     0
>             >
>             >
>             > All seem like radio 0
>             >
>             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>             >
>             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio
>             number in the Cabrillo log.
>             >
>             >     73,
>             >     Steve, N2IC
>             >
>             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             >      > Hello
>             >      >
>             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino
>             controller.
>             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>             together nice and easy..
>             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>             >      >
>             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>             >      > mode selected so2r
>             >      > image.png
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>             >      >
>             >      > and also on adif export
>             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>             >      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>             >      >
>             >      > What am I missing?
>             >      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>             >      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>
>
>
>



Oguzhan Kayhan
 

Hello Jamie,
 Sorry but So2R is within the rules of Multi Single.  So2R does not mean you can CQ on both bands.. it means just two radio and one operator.. which is my case..(but additional operators will also use the same station during contest but not at the same time)
Just with strict rules. Yes you can not call cq on another band.. But you can search for  Multipliers as you already indicated while sending cq on the main band..And plus, using so2r controllers also prevents to transmit two radios at the same time (for ex while one is sending cq, other is making qso for multiplier) which is also against the rules.. Infact, when using two computers, I can make qso while calling cq on other band.. which makes two radios on the air at the same time.. and against the rules..

So, if N1MM can handle different so2r modes with single-op or multi with different computers.. It is not much different to make this checks if it is running in Multi Single category and with two radio setup on same computer.. 
Just setting one radio on run, other is multi will be sufficient..
Only needed additions will be checking 10 min rules on band changes(which is supported on multi computer) , qso only with multipliers( which is supported on two computer setup) and adding the 0-1 radio indicators  to the cabrillo..
As I wrote, So2R controllers does not support two computer setup.. Or if it does, please let me know how ...

Yes there is a workaround to use SO2R controller with two computer setup if I have to as I already explained on my previous emails, But time consuming and distracting..But I think it is worth to think about to make this addition which is not against contest rules..


Just please think about it...

Regards.. 




On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jamie WW3S <ww3s@...> wrote:
Because SO2R is not within the multi single rules.....in ms you cannot cq on 2 bands at one time, SO2R you can....in mult single you can only work multipliers on the second radio, SO2R you can work anyone....mult single is much more restricted than SO2R. In mult single there are band change rules, SO2R, none....to operate within the rules of mult single, track band changes, software lockouts, etc, it requires each station to be networked with its own pc....


On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan <oguzhan@...> wrote:


Hello Tom
There is a category as multione as you know
Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times

I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn the reason behind it.

Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> şunu yazdı:
You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single operator.  You
want to use a single computer in SO2R.

That is not supported.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Rich
> I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on multi-one( or
> multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it more
> clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>
>
>
> I even draw to give a better example what is the problem with this on
> single operator using two computers with so2r setup with multione
> operation
>
> Single op doesn't need any change.
> Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two different computers.
>
> What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with single
> operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible to use
> with so2r controller as I explained.
>
>
> Please read my previous email again
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
> <mailto:ve3iay@...>> şunu yazdı:
>
>     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>
>     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then
>     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of
>     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in
>     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem
>     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You
>     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to
>     find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated
>     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R
>     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>
>     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator
>     classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There
>     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit
>     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in
>     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but
>     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike
>     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot
>     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but
>     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite
>     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>
>     73,
>     Rich VE3KI
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>
>         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the
>         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with
>         single or multi-multi usage..
>         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this,
>         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi)
>         on the log.
>         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on
>         multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of
>         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers
>         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>         multi-one usage..
>         And indicates this also:
>         *Users Please Note*
>         Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature
>         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R
>         expectations
>         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I
>         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy.
>         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control.
>         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>         controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
>         On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial. 
>         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller
>         on first computer.
>         image.png
>         So on this circumstance,
>         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the
>         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself. 
>         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or
>         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>         computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first
>         computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx
>         status by changing focus.
>         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too
>         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>         SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And
>         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more
>         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have
>         to use two computers?????
>         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all
>         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
>         Regards
>         TA2NC
>
>         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
>         <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>             requires that you use
>             separate computers for each radio, and that the computers
>             be networked together.
>
>             73,
>             Steve, N2IC
>
>             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             > hello steve
>             > Tu for reply..
>             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>             >
>             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>             >
>             >                                --------info sent-------
>             -------info rcvd--------
>             > QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch 
>              call          rst exch   t
>             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ******
>             ************* nnn ****** n
>             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59 03   
>              JT1Z          59  23     0
>             >
>             >
>             000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>             >
>             123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>             >
>             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>             > categories, the last column in the log indicates which
>             transmitter made the QSO.
>             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for
>             other categories.
>             >
>             >
>             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>             >
>             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>             >
>             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>             >
>             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1
>             and 2..
>             >
>             > But this time..
>             >
>             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             EA1AA         59  14     0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             AA1AA         59  05     0
>             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             YO2AA         59  20     0
>             >
>             >
>             > All seem like radio 0
>             >
>             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>             >
>             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio
>             number in the Cabrillo log.
>             >
>             >     73,
>             >     Steve, N2IC
>             >
>             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             >      > Hello
>             >      >
>             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino
>             controller.
>             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>             together nice and easy..
>             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>             >      >
>             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>             >      > mode selected so2r
>             >      > image.png
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>             >      >
>             >      > and also on adif export
>             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>             >      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>             >      >
>             >      > What am I missing?
>             >      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>             >      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>
>
>
>



Tom Wagner (N1MM)
 

SO2R has nothing to do with this discussion.

You are operating in a multi-op one transmitter class, since you have not mentioned CQWW, I will ignore its multiplier rule.

You asserted that the two operators will NOT be operating at the same time.

Here is what to do:

Turn on networking and set up for multi-1.

All QSOs will show as station 0 in the Cabrillo.

You may operate SO2R, but watch your band changes. Most/All contests have limits on band changes.

This discussion is closed.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 3:57 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
Hello Jamie,
 Sorry but So2R is within the rules of Multi Single.  So2R does not mean you can CQ on both bands.. it means just two radio and one operator.. which is my case..(but additional operators will also use the same station during contest but not at the same time)
Just with strict rules. Yes you can not call cq on another band.. But you can search for  Multipliers as you already indicated while sending cq on the main band..And plus, using so2r controllers also prevents to transmit two radios at the same time (for ex while one is sending cq, other is making qso for multiplier) which is also against the rules.. Infact, when using two computers, I can make qso while calling cq on other band.. which makes two radios on the air at the same time.. and against the rules..

So, if N1MM can handle different so2r modes with single-op or multi with different computers.. It is not much different to make this checks if it is running in Multi Single category and with two radio setup on same computer..
Just setting one radio on run, other is multi will be sufficient..
Only needed additions will be checking 10 min rules on band changes(which is supported on multi computer) , qso only with multipliers( which is supported on two computer setup) and adding the 0-1 radio indicators  to the cabrillo..
As I wrote, So2R controllers does not support two computer setup.. Or if it does, please let me know how ...

Yes there is a workaround to use SO2R controller with two computer setup if I have to as I already explained on my previous emails, But time consuming and distracting..But I think it is worth to think about to make this addition which is not against contest rules..


Just please think about it...

Regards..




On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jamie WW3S <ww3s@... <mailto:ww3s@...>> wrote:

Because SO2R is not within the multi single rules.....in ms you
cannot cq on 2 bands at one time, SO2R you can....in mult single
you can only work multipliers on the second radio, SO2R you can
work anyone....mult single is much more restricted than SO2R. In
mult single there are band change rules, SO2R, none....to operate
within the rules of mult single, track band changes, software
lockouts, etc, it requires each station to be networked with its
own pc....


On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan
<oguzhan@... <mailto:oguzhan@...>> wrote:


Hello Tom
There is a category as multione as you know
Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but
multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times

I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn
the reason behind it.

Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM)
<n1mmtomwagner@... <mailto:n1mmtomwagner@...>> şunu
yazdı:

You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single
operator.  You
want to use a single computer in SO2R.

That is not supported.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Rich
> I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on
multi-one( or
> multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it
more
> clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>
>
>
> I even draw to give a better example what is the problem
with this on
> single operator using two computers with so2r setup with
multione
> operation
>
> Single op doesn't need any change.
> Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two
different computers.
>
> What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with
single
> operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible
to use
> with so2r controller as I explained.
>
>
> Please read my previous email again
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
<mailto:ve3iay@...>
> <mailto:ve3iay@... <mailto:ve3iay@...>>> şunu
yazdı:
>
>     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>
>     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator
Assisted, then
>     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be
indicated in the
>     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are
thousands of
>     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two
radios in
>     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had
a problem
>     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio
number. You
>     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it
is easy to
>     find single-operator logs that do not have radio
numbers indicated
>     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing
SO2R
>     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>
>     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated
in the
>     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are
multi-operator
>     classes, meaning there is more than one person
operating. There
>     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may
transmit
>     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not
allowed in
>     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator
classes, but
>     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW
Multi-Single, unlike
>     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and
cannot
>     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules
differences, but
>     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which
is quite
>     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>
>     73,
>     Rich VE3KI
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>
>         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to
test the
>         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no
problem with
>         single or multi-multi usage..
>         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about
this,
>         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio
1(multi)
>         on the log.
>         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use
SO2R on
>         multiple computers which is actually designed for
the needs of
>         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two
computers
>         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>         multi-one usage..
>         And indicates this also:
>         *Users Please Note*
>         Please be aware that the developers will not
implement Feature
>         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer
SO2R
>         expectations
>         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first
computer I
>         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other
is dummy.
>         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency
control.
>         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>         controller between two radios..And automatic
antenna switching..
>         On second Computer only single radio is connected
via serial.
>         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R
controller
>         on first computer.
>         image.png
>         So on this circumstance,
>         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the
frequency of the
>         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected
to itself.
>         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting
the dummy or
>         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>         computer with actual frequency, and then return
back to first
>         computer and select actual or dummy radio for
changing rx
>         status by changing focus.
>         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it
is far too
>         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>         SO2R controller has to be connected to single
computer.. And
>         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R
has more
>         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a
contest you have
>         to use two computers?????
>         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single
computer all
>         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios
as run/multi
>         Regards
>         TA2NC
>
>         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London
<n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>
>             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>             requires that you use
>             separate computers for each radio, and that the
computers
>             be networked together.
>
>             73,
>             Steve, N2IC
>
>             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             > hello steve
>             > Tu for reply..
>             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>             >
>             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>             >
>             >     --------info sent-------
>             -------info rcvd--------
>             > QSO: freq  mo date  time call          rst exch
>              call          rst exch   t
>             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn *************
nnn ******
>             ************* nnn ****** n
>             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW         
59 03
>              JT1Z          59  23     0
>             >
>             >
>
 000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>             >
>
 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>             >
>             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>             > categories, the last column in the log
indicates which
>             transmitter made the QSO.
>             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not
required for
>             other categories.
>             >
>             >
>             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>             >
>             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>             >
>             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>             >
>             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX
as radio 1
>             and 2..
>             >
>             > But this time..
>             >
>             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
59  20
>             EA1AA         59  14     0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
59  20
>             AA1AA         59  05     0
>             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
59  20
>             YO2AA         59  20     0
>             >
>             >
>             > All seem like radio 0
>             >
>             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
<mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>
>             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
<mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>>> wrote:
>             >
>             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the
radio
>             number in the Cabrillo log.
>             >
>             >     73,
>             >     Steve, N2IC
>             >
>             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             >      > Hello
>             >      >
>             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an
arduino
>             controller.
>             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>             together nice and easy..
>             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>             >      >
>             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo
export.
>             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>             >      > mode selected so2r
>             >      > image.png
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>             >      >
>             >      > and also on adif export
>             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>             >  <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB
<RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1
<APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>  <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>             >      >  <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
<FREQ:7>7.00000
>             >  <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB
<RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2
<APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
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Oguzhan Kayhan
 

My problem was to see all qsos on station 0.
Anyway
Thank you


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:07 AM Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> wrote:
SO2R has nothing to do with this discussion.

You are operating in a multi-op one transmitter class, since you have
not mentioned CQWW, I will ignore its multiplier rule.

You asserted that the two operators will NOT be operating at the same time.

Here is what to do:

Turn on networking and set up for multi-1.

All QSOs will show as station 0 in the Cabrillo.

You may operate SO2R, but watch your band changes. Most/All contests
have limits on band changes.

This discussion is closed.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 3:57 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Jamie,
>  Sorry but So2R is within the rules of Multi Single.  So2R does not
> mean you can CQ on both bands.. it means just two radio and one
> operator.. which is my case..(but additional operators will also use
> the same station during contest but not at the same time)
> Just with strict rules. Yes you can not call cq on another band.. But
> you can search for  Multipliers as you already indicated while sending
> cq on the main band..And plus, using so2r controllers also prevents to
> transmit two radios at the same time (for ex while one is sending cq,
> other is making qso for multiplier) which is also against the rules..
> Infact, when using two computers, I can make qso while calling cq on
> other band.. which makes two radios on the air at the same time.. and
> against the rules..
>
> So, if N1MM can handle different so2r modes with single-op or multi
> with different computers.. It is not much different to make this
> checks if it is running in Multi Single category and with two radio
> setup on same computer..
> Just setting one radio on run, other is multi will be sufficient..
> Only needed additions will be checking 10 min rules on band
> changes(which is supported on multi computer) , qso only with
> multipliers( which is supported on two computer setup) and adding the
> 0-1 radio indicators  to the cabrillo..
> As I wrote, So2R controllers does not support two computer setup.. Or
> if it does, please let me know how ...
>
> Yes there is a workaround to use SO2R controller with two computer
> setup if I have to as I already explained on my previous emails, But
> time consuming and distracting..But I think it is worth to think about
> to make this addition which is not against contest rules..
>
>
> Just please think about it...
>
> Regards..
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jamie WW3S <ww3s@...
> <mailto:ww3s@...>> wrote:
>
>     Because SO2R is not within the multi single rules.....in ms you
>     cannot cq on 2 bands at one time, SO2R you can....in mult single
>     you can only work multipliers on the second radio, SO2R you can
>     work anyone....mult single is much more restricted than SO2R. In
>     mult single there are band change rules, SO2R, none....to operate
>     within the rules of mult single, track band changes, software
>     lockouts, etc, it requires each station to be networked with its
>     own pc....
>
>
>>     On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan
>>     <oguzhan@... <mailto:oguzhan@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>     Hello Tom
>>     There is a category as multione as you know
>>     Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but
>>     multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times
>>
>>     I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn
>>     the reason behind it.
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>
>>     8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM)
>>     <n1mmtomwagner@... <mailto:n1mmtomwagner@...>> şunu
>>     yazdı:
>>
>>         You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single
>>         operator.  You
>>         want to use a single computer in SO2R.
>>
>>         That is not supported.
>>
>>         Tom - N1MM
>>
>>         On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         > Hello Rich
>>         > I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on
>>         multi-one( or
>>         > multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it
>>         more
>>         > clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > I even draw to give a better example what is the problem
>>         with this on
>>         > single operator using two computers with so2r setup with
>>         multione
>>         > operation
>>         >
>>         > Single op doesn't need any change.
>>         > Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two
>>         different computers.
>>         >
>>         > What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with
>>         single
>>         > operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible
>>         to use
>>         > with so2r controller as I explained.
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Please read my previous email again
>>         >
>>         > Regards
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Regards
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
>>         <mailto:ve3iay@...>
>>         > <mailto:ve3iay@... <mailto:ve3iay@...>>> şunu
>>         yazdı:
>>         >
>>         >     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>>         >
>>         >     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator
>>         Assisted, then
>>         >     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be
>>         indicated in the
>>         >     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are
>>         thousands of
>>         >     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two
>>         radios in
>>         >     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had
>>         a problem
>>         >     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio
>>         number. You
>>         >     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it
>>         is easy to
>>         >     find single-operator logs that do not have radio
>>         numbers indicated
>>         >     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing
>>         SO2R
>>         >     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>>         >
>>         >     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated
>>         in the
>>         >     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are
>>         multi-operator
>>         >     classes, meaning there is more than one person
>>         operating. There
>>         >     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may
>>         transmit
>>         >     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not
>>         allowed in
>>         >     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator
>>         classes, but
>>         >     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW
>>         Multi-Single, unlike
>>         >     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and
>>         cannot
>>         >     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules
>>         differences, but
>>         >     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which
>>         is quite
>>         >     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>>         >
>>         >     73,
>>         >     Rich VE3KI
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         >
>>         >         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>>         >         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to
>>         test the
>>         >         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no
>>         problem with
>>         >         single or multi-multi usage..
>>         >         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about
>>         this,
>>         >         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio
>>         1(multi)
>>         >         on the log.
>>         >         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use
>>         SO2R on
>>         >         multiple computers which is actually designed for
>>         the needs of
>>         >         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>>         >         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two
>>         computers
>>         >         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>>         >         multi-one usage..
>>         >         And indicates this also:
>>         >         *Users Please Note*
>>         >         Please be aware that the developers will not
>>         implement Feature
>>         >         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>>         >         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer
>>         SO2R
>>         >         expectations
>>         >         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first
>>         computer I
>>         >         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other
>>         is dummy.
>>         >         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency
>>         control.
>>         >         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>>         >         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>>         >         controller between two radios..And automatic
>>         antenna switching..
>>         >         On second Computer only single radio is connected
>>         via serial.
>>         >         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R
>>         controller
>>         >         on first computer.
>>         >         image.png
>>         >         So on this circumstance,
>>         >         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the
>>         frequency of the
>>         >         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected
>>         to itself.
>>         >         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting
>>         the dummy or
>>         >         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>>         >         computer with actual frequency, and then return
>>         back to first
>>         >         computer and select actual or dummy radio for
>>         changing rx
>>         >         status by changing focus.
>>         >         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it
>>         is far too
>>         >         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>>         >         SO2R controller has to be connected to single
>>         computer.. And
>>         >         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R
>>         has more
>>         >         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a
>>         contest you have
>>         >         to use two computers?????
>>         >         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>>         >         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single
>>         computer all
>>         >         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>>         >         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>>         >         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios
>>         as run/multi
>>         >         Regards
>>         >         TA2NC
>>         >
>>         >         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London
>>         <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>>         >         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>>         >             requires that you use
>>         >             separate computers for each radio, and that the
>>         computers
>>         >             be networked together.
>>         >
>>         >             73,
>>         >             Steve, N2IC
>>         >
>>         >             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         >             > hello steve
>>         >             > Tu for reply..
>>         >             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>>         >             >
>>         >             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>>         >             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     --------info sent-------
>>         >             -------info rcvd--------
>>         >             > QSO: freq  mo date  time call          rst exch
>>         >              call          rst exch   t
>>         >             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn *************
>>         nnn ******
>>         >             ************* nnn ****** n
>>         >             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW         
>>         59 03
>>         >              JT1Z          59  23     0
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >
>>          000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>>         >             >
>>         >
>>          123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>>         >             >
>>         >             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>>         >             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>>         >             > categories, the last column in the log
>>         indicates which
>>         >             transmitter made the QSO.
>>         >             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not
>>         required for
>>         >             other categories.
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>>         >             >
>>         >             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX
>>         as radio 1
>>         >             and 2..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > But this time..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>>         >             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
>>         59  20
>>         >             EA1AA         59  14     0
>>         >             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
>>         59  20
>>         >             AA1AA         59  05     0
>>         >             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
>>         59  20
>>         >             YO2AA         59  20     0
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             > All seem like radio 0
>>         >             >
>>         >             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>>         >             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>>         >             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>>         >             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>>         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>
>>         >             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>>         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>>> wrote:
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the
>>         radio
>>         >             number in the Cabrillo log.
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     73,
>>         >             >     Steve, N2IC
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         >             >      > Hello
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>>         >             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an
>>         arduino
>>         >             controller.
>>         >             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>>         >             together nice and easy..
>>         >             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo
>>         export.
>>         >             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>>         >             >      > mode selected so2r
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > and also on adif export
>>         >             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>>         >             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>>         >             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>>         >             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>>         >             >  <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>>         >             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB
>>         <RST_RCVD:2>59
>>         >             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>>         >             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>>         >             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1
>>         <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>>         >             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>>         >  <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>>         >             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>>         >             >      >  <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>>         >             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>>         >             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>>         <FREQ:7>7.00000
>>         >             >  <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>>         >             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB
>>         <RST_RCVD:2>59
>>         >             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
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>>         >             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>>         >             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2
>>         <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>>         >             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>>         >  <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>>         >             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
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Jamie WW3S
 

It is NOT against the rules in multi-one to have both radios transmit at the same time, unless they are on the same band.....you can do what you want to do, just do it with two pcs....been there, done that.....

------ Original Message ------
From: "Oguzhan Kayhan" <oguzhan@...>
Sent: 11/8/2019 3:57:38 PM
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] so2r and cabrillo problem

Hello Jamie,
 Sorry but So2R is within the rules of Multi Single.  So2R does not mean you can CQ on both bands.. it means just two radio and one operator.. which is my case..(but additional operators will also use the same station during contest but not at the same time)
Just with strict rules. Yes you can not call cq on another band.. But you can search for  Multipliers as you already indicated while sending cq on the main band..And plus, using so2r controllers also prevents to transmit two radios at the same time (for ex while one is sending cq, other is making qso for multiplier) which is also against the rules.. Infact, when using two computers, I can make qso while calling cq on other band.. which makes two radios on the air at the same time.. and against the rules..

So, if N1MM can handle different so2r modes with single-op or multi with different computers.. It is not much different to make this checks if it is running in Multi Single category and with two radio setup on same computer.. 
Just setting one radio on run, other is multi will be sufficient..
Only needed additions will be checking 10 min rules on band changes(which is supported on multi computer) , qso only with multipliers( which is supported on two computer setup) and adding the 0-1 radio indicators  to the cabrillo..
As I wrote, So2R controllers does not support two computer setup.. Or if it does, please let me know how ...

Yes there is a workaround to use SO2R controller with two computer setup if I have to as I already explained on my previous emails, But time consuming and distracting..But I think it is worth to think about to make this addition which is not against contest rules..


Just please think about it...

Regards.. 




On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jamie WW3S <ww3s@...> wrote:
Because SO2R is not within the multi single rules.....in ms you cannot cq on 2 bands at one time, SO2R you can....in mult single you can only work multipliers on the second radio, SO2R you can work anyone....mult single is much more restricted than SO2R. In mult single there are band change rules, SO2R, none....to operate within the rules of mult single, track band changes, software lockouts, etc, it requires each station to be networked with its own pc....


On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan <oguzhan@...> wrote:


Hello Tom
There is a category as multione as you know
Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times

I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn the reason behind it.

Regards


8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> şunu yazdı:
You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single operator.  You
want to use a single computer in SO2R.

That is not supported.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Rich
> I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on multi-one( or
> multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it more
> clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>
>
>
> I even draw to give a better example what is the problem with this on
> single operator using two computers with so2r setup with multione
> operation
>
> Single op doesn't need any change.
> Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two different computers.
>
> What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with single
> operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible to use
> with so2r controller as I explained.
>
>
> Please read my previous email again
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
> <mailto:ve3iay@...>> şunu yazdı:
>
>     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>
>     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator Assisted, then
>     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are thousands of
>     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two radios in
>     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had a problem
>     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio number. You
>     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it is easy to
>     find single-operator logs that do not have radio numbers indicated
>     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing SO2R
>     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>
>     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated in the
>     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are multi-operator
>     classes, meaning there is more than one person operating. There
>     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may transmit
>     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not allowed in
>     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator classes, but
>     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW Multi-Single, unlike
>     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and cannot
>     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules differences, but
>     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which is quite
>     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>
>     73,
>     Rich VE3KI
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>
>         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to test the
>         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no problem with
>         single or multi-multi usage..
>         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about this,
>         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio 1(multi)
>         on the log.
>         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use SO2R on
>         multiple computers which is actually designed for the needs of
>         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two computers
>         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>         multi-one usage..
>         And indicates this also:
>         *Users Please Note*
>         Please be aware that the developers will not implement Feature
>         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer SO2R
>         expectations
>         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first computer I
>         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other is dummy.
>         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency control.
>         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>         controller between two radios..And automatic antenna switching..
>         On second Computer only single radio is connected via serial. 
>         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R controller
>         on first computer.
>         image.png
>         So on this circumstance,
>         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the frequency of the
>         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected to itself. 
>         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting the dummy or
>         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>         computer with actual frequency, and then return back to first
>         computer and select actual or dummy radio for changing rx
>         status by changing focus.
>         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it is far too
>         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>         SO2R controller has to be connected to single computer.. And
>         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R has more
>         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a contest you have
>         to use two computers?????
>         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single computer all
>         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios as run/multi
>         Regards
>         TA2NC
>
>         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
>         <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
>
>             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>             requires that you use
>             separate computers for each radio, and that the computers
>             be networked together.
>
>             73,
>             Steve, N2IC
>
>             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             > hello steve
>             > Tu for reply..
>             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>             >
>             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>             >
>             >                                --------info sent-------
>             -------info rcvd--------
>             > QSO: freq  mo date       time call          rst exch 
>              call          rst exch   t
>             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ******
>             ************* nnn ****** n
>             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW          59 03   
>              JT1Z          59  23     0
>             >
>             >
>             000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>             >
>             123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>             >
>             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>             > categories, the last column in the log indicates which
>             transmitter made the QSO.
>             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not required for
>             other categories.
>             >
>             >
>             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>             >
>             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>             >
>             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>             >
>             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX as radio 1
>             and 2..
>             >
>             > But this time..
>             >
>             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             EA1AA         59  14     0
>             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             AA1AA         59  05     0
>             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC         59  20    
>             YO2AA         59  20     0
>             >
>             >
>             > All seem like radio 0
>             >
>             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>             >
>             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the radio
>             number in the Cabrillo log.
>             >
>             >     73,
>             >     Steve, N2IC
>             >
>             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>             >      > Hello
>             >      >
>             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an arduino
>             controller.
>             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>             together nice and easy..
>             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>             >      >
>             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo export.
>             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>             >      > mode selected so2r
>             >      > image.png
>             >      >
>             >      >
>             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>             >      > image.png
>             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>             >      >
>             >      > and also on adif export
>             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>             >      >   <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC <FREQ:7>7.00000
>             >     <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB <RST_RCVD:2>59
>             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
>             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2 <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>             <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>             >      >
>             >      > What am I missing?
>             >      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>             >      > version: 1.0.8006.0
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