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Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Larry K8UT
 

Chuck,

That sounds like a good approach. You might suggest a system whereby their product supports "supervised manual" antenna selection.

Here's how it could work (or at least... here's how I would advise someone using my freeware FreqEZ software to do it):
Let the software maintain a list of candidate antennas based on the frequency in the most recent UDP packets. The operator could manually select any one of those candidate antennas, but no others.

-larry (K8UT)

------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck Green" <chuck@...>
Sent: 2020-03-26 10:11:29
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] UDP Periodic Broadcasts

The UDP periodic update timing is the only thing under my control and I can't control that!!! But you bring up a good point.  The system already excludes entire windows of antenna selections based on the band, why not develop the code to disallow specific antenna selections within an antenna selection window.
I'll talk to the developer and suggest that.  In light of the UDP periodic update a) not under the users control for N1MM+ users, and b) other software must have the same issue,  it may be a suggestion they'll take on.  For now, the software uses UDP for it's frequency information and at the time the antenna selection is made the next UDP update is up to 10 seconds away. Here's hoping they will take on the challenge.

73 & thanks for the idea.
Chuck, AD4ES


Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Chuck Green
 

Are you saying that GRIDTRACKER can somehow trigger UDP broadcasts that would improve the response time of my antenna selection system?  As it is now there is no event, other than the periodic timer, that can update my antenna controlling software, without modifying the working system I have, I simply need to have more frequent UDP broadcasts for an idle VFO.


Re: Choppy CW

n3nz Noel
 

Thank you so much Mark K1RX for directing me to the site where to setup the WKUSB.
All is OK now

73, Noel(OM) N3NZ


Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Chuck Green
 

The UDP periodic update timing is the only thing under my control and I can't control that!!! But you bring up a good point.  The system already excludes entire windows of antenna selections based on the band, why not develop the code to disallow specific antenna selections within an antenna selection window.
I'll talk to the developer and suggest that.  In light of the UDP periodic update a) not under the users control for N1MM+ users, and b) other software must have the same issue,  it may be a suggestion they'll take on.  For now, the software uses UDP for it's frequency information and at the time the antenna selection is made the next UDP update is up to 10 seconds away. Here's hoping they will take on the challenge.

73 & thanks for the idea.
Chuck, AD4ES


Re: Choppy CW

Gerald Boutin (VE1DT)
 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:04 AM, n3nz Noel wrote:
Hi all;
I work mostly CW contesting with WriteLog, N3FP and FLDigi using WKUSB. All three programs send smooth CW using paddles or keyboard.
I downloaded the latest N1MM+ and setup for CW operation, when trying to send with paddles or keyboard it's so choppy at 25-28, When I lower the speed to 16-18 kind off acceptable.
What can I do to rectify the problem

73, Noel (OM) N3NZ  
Noel,

N1MM isn't making the CW characters, so the issue would seem to be downstream.

Did you recently change some hardware configuration, new computer, etc, etc? If so, double check your cabling, etc.

Does sending CW from the computer still work properly using WriteLog via the WKUSB?
 
--
Gerald, VE1DT


Re: Choppy CW

Mpridesti
 

Noel

As I encountered the same issue, go to Config then the Other tab and adjust the weight level. I set mine to 53

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:04 AM, n3nz Noel <n3nz@...> wrote:

Hi all;
I work mostly CW contesting with WriteLog, N3FP and FLDigi using WKUSB. All three programs send smooth CW using paddles or keyboard.
I downloaded the latest N1MM+ and setup for CW operation, when trying to send with paddles or keyboard it's so choppy at 25-28, When I lower the speed to 16-18 kind off acceptable.
What can I do to rectify the problem

73, Noel (OM) N3NZ  


Choppy CW

n3nz Noel
 

Hi all;
I work mostly CW contesting with WriteLog, N3FP and FLDigi using WKUSB. All three programs send smooth CW using paddles or keyboard.
I downloaded the latest N1MM+ and setup for CW operation, when trying to send with paddles or keyboard it's so choppy at 25-28, When I lower the speed to 16-18 kind off acceptable.
What can I do to rectify the problem

73, Noel (OM) N3NZ  


locked Re: Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

Tom - N1MM
 

N9GG - 

You need to get someone local to help you.  This thread is not working to solve the problem. 
This thread is now locked. 

Tom - N1MM


Re: VAQP scoring bug

John Bednar
 

Rich,

 

I just tested as a VA station. Only the first JA station worked was marked as a multiplier.

 

If you made edits to the QSO after you logged it, you need to rescore.  The button is along the bottom of the Summary window.

 

Here is my Log window.

 

John, K3CT

 

 

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich - K1HTV
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:12 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: [N1MM+] VAQP scoring bug

 

After the past weekend's VA QSO Party was over, I noticed a discrepancy in the mutiplier count which resulted in an inflated score. The total number of countries  as shown in the, Counties/other, State/Sections (VE provinces) and Countries windows was 185. However in the score summary window the total number of mults was 211, which is 26 mults more than the true number worked. In checking the "M1" column, there were red check marks for all 15 JA stations worked. I haven't checked farther, but there are probably erroneous check marks for possibly other DX stations worked.

So instead of a 347,517 score it should be 304,695.

I downloaded latest version v.1.0.8269.0 today and it still scored the 2020 VQP incorrectly.

73,
Rich - K1HTV  


Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Peter Krüger
 

It may be possible to install GRIDTRACKER and enable UDP Multicast in this really nice software.
See https://tagloomis.com - this may do the wanted multicast.

Else it should not be a big problem, to create an external small programm which can do it - e.g. for Python there are several solutions existing. (I may try to include such a feature in my n1mm_toolbox - but I am lazy in the moment :) )

73 Peter DF1LX

--
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N1mm+Toolbox -> see at  https://df1lx.darc.de
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Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Larry K8UT
 

Chuck,

>would all those UDP Broadcasts slow the whole system down?
Everything the program does "slows the system down," so we are careful to never do things unnecessarily. The 10 second interval of repeating duplicate information is not going to change. Your switching system will always "know" the radio's current frequency, and if that should change it would be advised of the change immediately.

>use UDP broadcasts to DESELECT an antenna...
Rather than allowing your operator to make a manual change and then correct him afterwards (at any interval - 10 milliseconds or 10 seconds), perhaps your system should prevent him from making that change in the first place?

-larry (K8UT)

------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck Green" <chuck@...>
Sent: 2020-03-25 23:03:11
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Thank you Larry. In my case the available antennas and towers allows use of many different antennas. Some are usable on identical frequencies. Therefore, the antenna selection is manual and requires thought by the operator.  However, I do use UDP broadcasts to DESELECT an antenna if the antenna that is manually selected is not usable on the frequency the radio is set to.  A period of up to 10 seconds is quite long to deselect an antenna that is not appropriate for the frequency in use. It is not uncommon for the operator to start testing the setup well before the UDP broadcast "Kicks" the operator off of the antenna selected. I was hopeful that there was some level of control of the period of the UDP Broadcast for an idle VFO and if there is, what would the consequences if the period was, say, 3 seconds? That is, would all those UDP Broadcasts slow the whole system down?
At this time, use of the CAT port or an RS232 Bridge to get frequency from the CAT port is not a viable solution.

Chuck AD4ES


locked Re: Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

Don Murray
 

Bob...

I don't understand your semantics: 

"I can NOT send CW from the keyboard."

N1MM does not support sending CW from the keyboard.
N1MM commands the WINKEYER to send the message
that is on the screen or in a F KEY COMMAND..

Is that your understanding of what N1MM is doing? Sending
from the screen or an F KEY command that you previously
entered?


73
Don
W4WJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam VE3IZS <ve3izs@...>
To: N1MMLoggerPlus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 26, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

I have a 590s not the sg but should be the same. 
  - make sure the Silicon Labs CP210x is installed and match the COM settings 
N1MM Configurer 
 Select ComPort and Radio
    SET  - 38400,N,1 (DTR, RTS set to handshake)
Select ComPort for WinKeyer
   CW/Other  - Check
   SET DTR Always ON, RTS Always OFF
   WinKey Check

TS590 needs to be in CW and VOX(ON) to send.

Hope that helps.

73, Adam, ve3fp

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:32 PM robotgrant@... via Groups.Io <robotgrant=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I've spend days with very good help working to have a TS-590SG connect with a laptop and a winkeyer.

I can change bands on the computer with the radio or vice versa. The red button on the winkeyer will call CQ on the radio. I can NOT send CW from the keyboard.

Device manager shows Com 6 and Com 4. I have the radio on Com 6. I have the winkeyer on Com 4, and perhaps configured correctly.

When I get going, a window keeps coming up and saying that Com 5 is missing. What and why should there be a Com 5?

Please help me if you can.

Thanks and GO FRC!

                 Bob N9GG   302 388 4727  fax 302 220 4505


locked Re: Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

Adam VE3IZS
 

I have a 590s not the sg but should be the same. 
  - make sure the Silicon Labs CP210x is installed and match the COM settings 
N1MM Configurer 
 Select ComPort and Radio
    SET  - 38400,N,1 (DTR, RTS set to handshake)
Select ComPort for WinKeyer
   CW/Other  - Check
   SET DTR Always ON, RTS Always OFF
   WinKey Check

TS590 needs to be in CW and VOX(ON) to send.

Hope that helps.

73, Adam, ve3fp

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:32 PM robotgrant@... via Groups.Io <robotgrant=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I've spend days with very good help working to have a TS-590SG connect with a laptop and a winkeyer.

I can change bands on the computer with the radio or vice versa. The red button on the winkeyer will call CQ on the radio. I can NOT send CW from the keyboard.

Device manager shows Com 6 and Com 4. I have the radio on Com 6. I have the winkeyer on Com 4, and perhaps configured correctly.

When I get going, a window keeps coming up and saying that Com 5 is missing. What and why should there be a Com 5?

Please help me if you can.

Thanks and GO FRC!

                 Bob N9GG   302 388 4727  fax 302 220 4505


locked Re: Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

ERIC OLSON
 

I am going to jump into this.

In the beginning Bob stated the red button on the Winkey would send cq so it is getting power.   The fact that the button works indicates it is NOT going into host mode which is lack of communication with N1MM. 

Try disconnecting the radio USB cable temporarily to go into manual and move the Winkey cable to that jack.   This will likely make a new com port that you will have to find in the device manager to set up in the N1MM configurer but if it communicates (so the buttons don't work) the other port is providing power but not data.   If so you could try moving the radio cable to the bad port to see if will not communicate with the radio. 

Just my thoughts. 

Eric N7EPD 


From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io> on behalf of Steve London <n2ic@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:02:25 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
 
If it doesn't send R, then the Winkey isn't getting power from the USB port.
Either the physical port is bad, or the Winkey is bad.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 03/25/2020 09:03 PM, robotgrant@... via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Nope
>
>     On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:51 PM, Don Murray via Groups.Io
>     <w4wj@...> wrote:
>     Does the WINKEYER send an R in CW when you
>     USB it?
>
>     If, not, then there is a problem with the WINKEYER.
>
>     Also remember, the keying cable out from the WINKEYER to the rig key jack!
>
>
>     73
>     Don
>     W4WJ
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Gary K9GS <k9gs@...>
>     To: N1MMLoggerPlus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
>     Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 8:47 pm
>     Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
>
>     No...not the N1MM settings.  THE PORT SETTINGS FOR COM 4.  In Device Manager.
>
>
>
>
>     73,
>
>     Gary K9GS
>
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant@...>
>     Date: 3/25/20 8:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
>     To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
>     Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
>
>     CW/other checked. DTR  always on. RTS always off. VFO nr 1. PTT delay 30.
>     Winkey checked. Two way, foot switch none.
>
>     On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 09:16:50 PM EDT, Gary K9GS
>     <k9gs@...> wrote:
>
>
>     What are the port properties of com 4?
>
>     Speed, RTS, DTR, etc?
>
>
>
>
>     73,
>
>     Gary K9GS
>
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant@...>
>     Date: 3/25/20 8:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
>     To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
>     Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
>
>
>     You betcha
>
>         On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:53 PM, VE9AA - Mike
>         <ve9aa@...> wrote:
>         HAVE YOU CHECKED THE BOX PLEASE ?
>         On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 09:51 PM, robotgrant@... wrote:
>
>             Have you checked the WINKEY box as I outlined in my picture?
>
>
>
>         --
>         Mike VE9AA
>
>




Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Chuck Green
 

Tim,
Yes, I agree about the RS232 Bridge.  In my case I am not selecting an antenna. That would be real easy to do. Antenna selection, in my case, needs brain power and requires operator thought.  If it is a fixed antenna, which one?  If it is a rotating antenna which height?  That requires operator intelligence for antenna selection not automation. In my cause I have a system, not all my own, that helps prevent disasters by deselecting an antenna that was manually selected in error and not appropriate for the VFO frequency.  It is currently working 100% as designed but the UDP periodic broadcast for an idle VFO is, in my experience, too long.  When setting up the antennas the process is to select the VFO frequency first, then choose the antenna that most appropriately fits the situation.  There may be 5 antenna choices but only 1 is best for the specific goal. The operator, using an on screen window selects the desired antenna.  However, operators, especially guest operators, can screw up and select an antenna not designed for the frequency in use.  There would be no VFO tuning at all at this stage of the operation. Quite different than automatic antenna selection where rotating the VFO knob would trigger a UDP broadcast.. If an invalid antenna was selected, the UDP Broadcast will eventually be read and the first antenna designed for the frequency on the VFO will be selected, even if it is fixed and pointed in the wrong direction.  Better than burning up an amp while trying to tune to an inappropriate antenna. Crap does happen!  I find that the 10 second periodic UDF broadcast for an idle VFO is longer than I want it to be.  Chances are the transmitter will have been keyed and attempt to tune the amp will start well before the 10 seconds.  My guess is that this periodic broadcast time is not a user variable...I just wish it were as I could use it for my application.
73
Chuck, AD4ES


Re: N1MM F-keys Not Keying Flex 6300

Fred - NA2U
 

Bingo! Thanks, Ted.

73 from the desert,

Fred/NA2U

On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Ted Bryant <tlbryant02@...> wrote:

Fred,
Check your parameters on COM10. Do you have "Use WinKey" checked?
73, Ted W4NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred - NA2U
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:35 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus
Subject: [N1MM+] N1MM F-keys Not Keying Flex 6300

I haven't used my Flex in about two years. I’m having a problem getting it going again on CW. It worked FB in BARTG RTTY over the weekend.

Keying with the paddle works fine. But, when I try to use the N1MM F-keys I get an error msg that it won’t send because no CW port has been selected on Config. I have COM10 checked for CW/other and in SmartSDR CAT COM10 is set for Winkeyer. The F-keys just won’t work. Any suggestions? Thanks.

73 from the desert,

Fred/NA2U







Re: UDP Periodic Broadcasts

Tim Shoppa
 

Chuck, on top of the once-every-10-seconds packet, any frequency change or band change results in a UDP packet being sent nearly instantaneously. So the UDP packets are super useful for driving antenna relays as you need without decreasing the 10 second interval.

Using a RS232 bridge is so year-2007. Any future station automation should be based on networking and leveraging the UDP packets which are so easy to use.

Tim N3QE

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 11:03 PM Chuck Green <chuck@...> wrote:
Thank you Larry. In my case the available antennas and towers allows use of many different antennas. Some are usable on identical frequencies. Therefore, the antenna selection is manual and requires thought by the operator.  However, I do use UDP broadcasts to DESELECT an antenna if the antenna that is manually selected is not usable on the frequency the radio is set to.  A period of up to 10 seconds is quite long to deselect an antenna that is not appropriate for the frequency in use. It is not uncommon for the operator to start testing the setup well before the UDP broadcast "Kicks" the operator off of the antenna selected. I was hopeful that there was some level of control of the period of the UDP Broadcast for an idle VFO and if there is, what would the consequences if the period was, say, 3 seconds? That is, would all those UDP Broadcasts slow the whole system down?
At this time, use of the CAT port or an RS232 Bridge to get frequency from the CAT port is not a viable solution.

Chuck AD4ES


locked Re: Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

Steve London
 

If it doesn't send R, then the Winkey isn't getting power from the USB port. Either the physical port is bad, or the Winkey is bad.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 03/25/2020 09:03 PM, robotgrant@... via Groups.Io wrote:
Nope
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:51 PM, Don Murray via Groups.Io
<w4wj=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does the WINKEYER send an R in CW when you
USB it?
If, not, then there is a problem with the WINKEYER.
Also remember, the keying cable out from the WINKEYER to the rig key jack!
73
Don
W4WJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary K9GS <k9gs@...>
To: N1MMLoggerPlus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
No...not the N1MM settings.  THE PORT SETTINGS FOR COM 4.  In Device Manager.
73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------
From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Date: 3/25/20 8:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
CW/other checked. DTR  always on. RTS always off. VFO nr 1. PTT delay 30.
Winkey checked. Two way, foot switch none.
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 09:16:50 PM EDT, Gary K9GS
<k9gs@...> wrote:
What are the port properties of com 4?
Speed, RTS, DTR, etc?
73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------
From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Date: 3/25/20 8:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk
You betcha
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:53 PM, VE9AA - Mike
<ve9aa@...> wrote:
HAVE YOU CHECKED THE BOX PLEASE ?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 09:51 PM, robotgrant@... wrote:
Have you checked the WINKEY box as I outlined in my picture?
--
Mike VE9AA


locked Re: Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

Gary K9GS
 

What are the port properties in Device Manager?  They should be:


9600 8 N 1 Flow Control set to off




73,

Gary K9GS


-------- Original message --------
From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant@...>
Date: 3/25/20 10:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk


Nope

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:51 PM, Don Murray via Groups.Io
<w4wj@...> wrote:
Does the WINKEYER send an R in CW when you
USB it?

If, not, then there is a problem with the WINKEYER.

Also remember, the keying cable out from the WINKEYER to the rig key jack!


73
Don
W4WJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary K9GS <k9gs@...>
To: N1MMLoggerPlus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

No...not the N1MM settings.  THE PORT SETTINGS FOR COM 4.  In Device Manager.




73,

Gary K9GS


-------- Original message --------
From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant@...>
Date: 3/25/20 8:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk

CW/other checked. DTR  always on. RTS always off. VFO nr 1. PTT delay 30. Winkey checked. Two way, foot switch none.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 09:16:50 PM EDT, Gary K9GS <k9gs@...> wrote:


What are the port properties of com 4?

Speed, RTS, DTR, etc?




73,

Gary K9GS


-------- Original message --------
From: "robotgrant@... via Groups.Io" <robotgrant@...>
Date: 3/25/20 8:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] Radio. computer, keyer won't talk


You betcha 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:53 PM, VE9AA - Mike
<ve9aa@...> wrote:
HAVE YOU CHECKED THE BOX PLEASE ?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 09:51 PM, robotgrant@... wrote:
Have you checked the WINKEY box as I outlined in my picture?

 
--
Mike VE9AA


Re: N1MM F-keys Not Keying Flex 6300

Ted Bryant
 

Fred,
Check your parameters on COM10. Do you have "Use WinKey" checked?
73, Ted W4NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred - NA2U
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:35 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus
Subject: [N1MM+] N1MM F-keys Not Keying Flex 6300

I haven't used my Flex in about two years. I’m having a problem getting it going again on CW. It worked FB in BARTG RTTY over the weekend.

Keying with the paddle works fine. But, when I try to use the N1MM F-keys I get an error msg that it won’t send because no CW port has been selected on Config. I have COM10 checked for CW/other and in SmartSDR CAT COM10 is set for Winkeyer. The F-keys just won’t work. Any suggestions? Thanks.

73 from the desert,

Fred/NA2U