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Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Ron
 

I had the same issue as the OP, but noticed something else... When it did that the serial #'s would highlight Red in the log window indicating they were different... But when it did not happen, it did not highlight them and all went smooth. 
Ron, WV4P


On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 09:22, Monte Stark <Ron@...> wrote:

The only time I had that happen was my fault. I had a call sign in the entry window and hit Enter, which sent my call as it should. The station came back to me and then I noticed that I had the wrong call in the entry window. I used the mouse to go back to the entry window, backspaced the call out and entered the right call. Just as I got that done the other station had sent his info to me and I just hit the enter key.... but because my cursor was still in the call entry window, it just sent my call!

 

Then the cursor went to the exchange window, so I just hit enter again to send my exchange and all was well..... other than the other op was probably wondering why I was wasting his time sending my call 3 times again!!

 

OK, back in my hole,

 

Ron, KU7Y

Mountain Home, ID  DN23dc

CW Ops #1211

SKCC #4904

QRP ARCI #8829

SOC #2

Idaho DX Association

Ron@...

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rory Bowers
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 8:09 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

 

I didn't see that problem at all.  I guess I got lucky?

73,

Rory, K5CKS

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:06 AM Jim W7RY <jimw7ry@...> wrote:

Yup! It was pretty frustrating do be sure.  I had the same issue.



Thanks
73
Jim W7RY

On 1/6/2020 8:45 AM, Bob Epstein K8IA via Groups.Io wrote:

I saw this several times as well, but not every time. Enough times though that it made me pay more attention than normal. 

 

 

73, Bob K8IA 

Arizona Outlaws Contest Club 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@...>

Date: 1/6/20 7:25 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: N1MM Loggerplus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>

Subject: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

 

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:

 

I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.

 

He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.

 

I can reliably reproduce this error.

 

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 


Re: Another perfect contest

ve3ki
 

"One more question how are the hours of operation figured out in the  statistics window.":

N1MM+ calculates on and off times the same way the contest scorers do. Operating time includes any clock minute during which a contact is logged, as well as idle clock minutes that do not qualify as off time. Off time during the contest requires 30 (or 60, depending on the contest rules) consecutive full clock minutes during which no contacts are logged. In effect, the off time clock starts at the beginning of the clock minute after the last logged QSO and continues until the beginning of the clock minute before the next logged QSO, and if there are not enough such consecutive minutes to meet the contest rules for off times, that time interval counts as operating time. Full clock minutes at the beginning and end of the contest during which no contact is logged qualify as off time and do not count towards the operating time.

If the contest rules do not specify any limit for off times (as would be the case if there were no restrictions on operating time), the program assumes a 30-minute limit for purposes of calculating off times.

After the end of the contest, operating time is simply the total duration of the contest minus calculated off times. Before the end of the contest, the operating time displayed in the statistics window is the total time from the beginning of the contest until the end of the current clock minute minus any calculated off times accumulated so far.

Note that this has nothing to do with when the program is running, or when the radio is turned on. It is based only on the times when contacts are logged, as presented to the contest scorers in the Cabrillo file (i.e. ignoring the seconds digits, which do not appear in the Cabrillo file).

73,
Rich VE3KI


Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Monte Stark
 

The only time I had that happen was my fault. I had a call sign in the entry window and hit Enter, which sent my call as it should. The station came back to me and then I noticed that I had the wrong call in the entry window. I used the mouse to go back to the entry window, backspaced the call out and entered the right call. Just as I got that done the other station had sent his info to me and I just hit the enter key.... but because my cursor was still in the call entry window, it just sent my call!

 

Then the cursor went to the exchange window, so I just hit enter again to send my exchange and all was well..... other than the other op was probably wondering why I was wasting his time sending my call 3 times again!!

 

OK, back in my hole,

 

Ron, KU7Y

Mountain Home, ID  DN23dc

CW Ops #1211

SKCC #4904

QRP ARCI #8829

SOC #2

Idaho DX Association

Ron@...

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rory Bowers
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 8:09 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

 

I didn't see that problem at all.  I guess I got lucky?

73,

Rory, K5CKS

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:06 AM Jim W7RY <jimw7ry@...> wrote:

Yup! It was pretty frustrating do be sure.  I had the same issue.



Thanks
73
Jim W7RY

On 1/6/2020 8:45 AM, Bob Epstein K8IA via Groups.Io wrote:

I saw this several times as well, but not every time. Enough times though that it made me pay more attention than normal. 

 

 

73, Bob K8IA 

Arizona Outlaws Contest Club 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@...>

Date: 1/6/20 7:25 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: N1MM Loggerplus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>

Subject: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

 

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:

 

I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.

 

He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.

 

I can reliably reproduce this error.

 

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 


Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Rory Bowers
 

I didn't see that problem at all.  I guess I got lucky?
73,
Rory, K5CKS

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:06 AM Jim W7RY <jimw7ry@...> wrote:
Yup! It was pretty frustrating do be sure.  I had the same issue.


Thanks
73
Jim W7RY
On 1/6/2020 8:45 AM, Bob Epstein K8IA via Groups.Io wrote:
I saw this several times as well, but not every time. Enough times though that it made me pay more attention than normal. 


73, Bob K8IA 
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club 

-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@...>
Date: 1/6/20 7:25 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: N1MM Loggerplus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Subject: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:
 
I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.
 
He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.
 
I can reliably reproduce this error.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Jim W7RY
 

Yup! It was pretty frustrating do be sure.  I had the same issue.


Thanks
73
Jim W7RY
On 1/6/2020 8:45 AM, Bob Epstein K8IA via Groups.Io wrote:

I saw this several times as well, but not every time. Enough times though that it made me pay more attention than normal. 


73, Bob K8IA 
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club 

-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@...>
Date: 1/6/20 7:25 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: N1MM Loggerplus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Subject: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:
 
I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.
 
He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.
 
I can reliably reproduce this error.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Tim Shoppa
 

I think the most serious problem is that N1MM+ prefills the guy's previous serial number. This is a serious problem as the previous serial number is NEVER EVER gonna be right for the next QSO with the same guy. And then after it's in the log, it highlights the serial number mismatch as if it's something to fix. When it isn't.

I rarely click on numbers in RTTY contests. When I typed in the new serial number I don't remember ESM going out of whack.

Tim N3QE

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:25 AM Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@...> wrote:
If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:
 
I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.
 
He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.
 
I can reliably reproduce this error.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Dave K2XR
 

Agreed, same issue here.   Workaround during the contest was:  the prefilled previous number was already selected, so I just hit the delete key before clicking the new number, or since my hand was already there, I entered the number on the numeric keypad and hit the enter there.  Either gave the desired results.

   XR


On 1/6/2020 9:25:29 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:
 
I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.
 
He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.
 
I can reliably reproduce this error.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: Another perfect contest

Rory Bowers
 

Hey Fred,
That is "strange"... sounds to me like he didn't really understand the rules.  Sometimes you have to improvise to get the Q logged :-)  Hope you enjoyed the contest as much as I did!
73,
Rory, K5CKS

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 8:34 AM Fred <fmoeves@...> wrote:
Yes same here new to N1MM.
I think this my 3rd or 4th contest using it.
Great piece of software..

Couple of questions for the group.
I had one dx station from Croatia insisted on me giving him a number.
I worked him once and got his serial number.
Said he wanted mine.. he then said call him later.
He then gave the same serial number to the new station.
I then worked him again and again asked for a number. I finally asked what number do you want?
He sent Sri maybe next time... So??

One more question how are the hours of operation figured out in the  statistics window.

Thanks for a great product.

Fred KB4QZH


Re: RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Bob Epstein K8IA
 

I saw this several times as well, but not every time. Enough times though that it made me pay more attention than normal. 


73, Bob K8IA 
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club 

-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@...>
Date: 1/6/20 7:25 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: N1MM Loggerplus <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>
Subject: [N1MM+] RTTY Roundup ESM issue

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:
 
I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.
 
He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.
 
I can reliably reproduce this error.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: Another perfect contest

Fred
 
Edited

Yes same here new to N1MM.
I think this my 3rd or 4th contest using it.
Great piece of software..

Couple of questions for the group.
I had one dx station from Croatia insisted on me giving him a number.
I worked him once and got his serial number.
Said he wanted mine.. he then said call him later.
He then gave the same serial number to the new station.
I then worked him again and again he asked for a number. I finally asked what number do you want?
He sent Sri maybe next time... So??

One more question how are the hours of operation figured out in the  statistics window.

Thanks for a great product.

Fred KB4QZH


RTTY Roundup ESM issue

Dave Hachadorian
 

If I work a DX station on one band and then try to work him again in S&P mode on another band, ESM does not work properly.  Example:
 
I have worked DK9IP on 40 Meters and he gave me serial number 123. He is in the log on 40.
 
He is now spotted on 10 Meters, and I tune to his frequency.  DK9IP goes into the on-deck field.  I hit ENTER, and my call is sent. His old serial number 123 prefills the exchange field, highlighted in blue.  I click on his new serial number 456, and it properly goes into the exchange field, replacing the old one.  So far so good.  However, F4 is now highlighted instead of F2, and the next time time I hit Enter, instead of sending my exchange and logging the station, my call sign (F4) is transmitted.
 
I can reliably reproduce this error.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: RTTY RoundUp Problem when switching between RTTY and WSJT-x

Angus G0UGO
 

I experienced this problem as well and have duplicate numbering.  I tried to manually reset the serial number in the Entry window but all changes were rejected and had to run with what was being auto generated.  This was my first time entering this contest splitting use of RTTY and FT modes and this is not a problem you want in the middle of a contest.  Maybe this is an issue that the development team should look at to make the change to/from WSJT-X seamless or at least more user intuitive

73s Angus G0UGO/G2U


On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 07:51, <ra3tt@...> wrote:
I used the following trick after switching from WSJT-X to N1MM: Tools-> Rescore Current Contest



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73,
 Nikolay Goncharov  RA3TT                          mailto:ra3tt@...





Re: RTTY RoundUp Problem when switching between RTTY and WSJT-x

ra3tt@...
 

I used the following trick after switching from WSJT-X to N1MM: Tools-> Rescore Current Contest



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73,
Nikolay Goncharov RA3TT mailto:ra3tt@...


Re: K3 Not Returning To Last Freq On Band Change

Jim W7RY
 

Something has changed in N1MM.

This used to work. When you use the band change buttons, the rig went to the previous band and last frequencies. Not it does not.

I had the opportunity to check 15 meters (from 20 meters and back again, both going to 15 and back to 20) with the band change buttons on radio 1 main window. Always goes to the bottom of the band.



Thanks
73
Jim W7RY
On 1/5/2020 5:23 PM, Jim Stahl K8MR via Groups.Io wrote:

I have occasionally encountered a somewhat similar situation where the radio “randomly” QSYs to the bottom of the band. This most often happens while mobile, perhaps when I’m encountering a bit of bouncing and/or in darkness.

I know what causes it - somehow I hit “1” on the keyboard while doing ESM, and N1MM+ thinks I’m telling the radio to go to 14001 (or whatever band) when I then hit enter.

Might a feature (perhaps selectable) be added that would require a two digit number in order to be considered a new frequency? Then a “1” followed by enter would at least send “1 5NN CTY” which would catch my attention a lot quicker.


73 & HNY  -  Jim   K8MR



On Jan 5, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bud Governale <w3ll@...> wrote:

My K3 returns to the bottom of each band when changing bands clicking on the N1MM Entry window band selection.
It always returned to the frequency it was on when changing bands - not now.
I want it to come back to the last frequency it was on when changing bands.

If I change bands using the K3 front panel, Band up or down, the K3 goes to the last frequency used.


What did I do to cause this?

73,

Bud W3LL
W3LL@...


Re: WSJT-X ADIF log does not import exchange into N1MM+

ve3ki
 

You will need a field <APP_N1MM_EXCHANGE1:n>xxx where xxx is the exchange you received (state/province abbreviation or serial number) and n is the number of characters in xxx. I don't know whether the import will work correctly if you simply replace SRX and STATE with APP_N1MM_EXCHANGE1; it is possible that you might need to keep the SRX and STATE fields in addition to adding the new field in order to have the score calculated properly. Regardless, you will need to do a Tools > Rescore Current Contest after importing the ADIF file.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 07:00 PM, n5xz wrote:
WSJT-X ADIF log does not import exchange into N1MM+ so I know I need to do some S+R to the [srx:] and [state:] name. What do I need to change it to so it will import properly?

Allen N5XZ


WSJT-X ADIF log does not import exchange into N1MM+

n5xz
 

WSJT-X ADIF log does not import exchange into N1MM+ so I know I need to do some S+R to the [srx:] and [state:] name. What do I need to change it to so it will import properly?

Allen N5XZ


Another perfect contest

Rory Bowers
 

Thanks to the N1MM team for another flawless contest!
73,
Rory, K5CKS 


Re: K3 Not Returning To Last Freq On Band Change

Jim Stahl K8MR
 

I have occasionally encountered a somewhat similar situation where the radio “randomly” QSYs to the bottom of the band. This most often happens while mobile, perhaps when I’m encountering a bit of bouncing and/or in darkness.

I know what causes it - somehow I hit “1” on the keyboard while doing ESM, and N1MM+ thinks I’m telling the radio to go to 14001 (or whatever band) when I then hit enter.

Might a feature (perhaps selectable) be added that would require a two digit number in order to be considered a new frequency? Then a “1” followed by enter would at least send “1 5NN CTY” which would catch my attention a lot quicker.


73 & HNY  -  Jim   K8MR



On Jan 5, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bud Governale <w3ll@...> wrote:

My K3 returns to the bottom of each band when changing bands clicking on the N1MM Entry window band selection.
It always returned to the frequency it was on when changing bands - not now.
I want it to come back to the last frequency it was on when changing bands.

If I change bands using the K3 front panel, Band up or down, the K3 goes to the last frequency used.


What did I do to cause this?

73,

Bud W3LL
W3LL@...
_._,_._,_


Re: RTTY RoundUp Problem when switching between RTTY and WSJT-x

Thomas Worthington
 

Thanks for your responses. 
However, although I can change the next serial number in WSJT-x, I have been unable to find a way to change the next serial number in N1MM+.
The rules for the RTTY roundup clearly state that the serial numbers must be sequential and start from 1.
Why did it work as you would want the first time changing back from WSJT-x to RTTY but not the subsequent times?
73 and Aloha, Tom, NH6Y


Re: RTTY RoundUp Problem when switching between RTTY and WSJT-x

ve3ki
 


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Thomas Worthington wrote:
There is a  problem, at least for DX stations that need to provide a sequential serial number, when switching between RTTY and WSJT-x modes such as FT8 and FT4.
N1MM+ generates the serial number for RTTY contacts and sequences that automatically.  When I switched to WSJT-x I was able to set the starting serial number in a small window on the WSJT-x screen.  That number gets included in the QSO information and in the QSO information sent back to N1MM+ to be logged.  All that works as expected.  The first time I switched back to RTTY (first closing WSJT-x), N1MM+ continued in RTTY mode with the next serial number correctly.  However, the second time and on all times after this when I switched back to RTTY the next sequential number was one more than the last RTTY contact, that is it ignored the numbers generated by WSJT-x even though they are in the log.  I didn't notice this immediately so I now have a bunch of QSO's with reused serial numbers.  Also there does not seem to be any way to tell N1MM+ to change the next serial number.
73 and Aloha, Tom, NH6Y