Date   

Workshop

Tom Wagner (N1MM)
 

The workshop logon credentials have been sent out, but at least one recipient did not receive them. If you signed up and did not receive them reply to this email.

Thanks.

Tom - N1MM


Unexpected CW speed change

Dave Hachadorian
 

I have F9 programmed as “{F5}?”
 
I use it when I only get a fragment of a call sign answering me. 
 
The {F5} is always sent fine, but about 30 % of the time, the question mark is sent at a much slower speed than the current speed setting.  Do I have a syntax error in the command, or is something else going on?
 
Thanks.
 
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


Re: N1MM with RTTY and TS890

James Brown
 

Hi George

I found that doc.  Looks like it will be very helpful.

I have not used n1mm before.  What windows do you usually keep open during a contest?

Any other tips?

Jim   W4LC


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:39 PM George Skoubis W7GES <geo.skoubis@...> wrote:
James,

  Try going to the N1MM site. 

  Click on Downloads / Category menu / Additional support files

  You will see a doc that starts with TS-890 that shows how my TS-890 is setup for FSK with N1MM

George / W7GES 

On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:19 AM, James Brown <w4lc45@...> wrote:


Hi Rich

I have PTT configured for SSB, CW, and digital in the configurer

The radio goes into xmit when the TX button is pressed.  However, no rtty tones are heard.

Have not used MMTTY as a standalone, but do use it as a supplemental decoder only in Writelog.

Right clicking on the function  key buttons shows that they begin with a TX and end with an RX

Some progress, but there yet.   Appreciate the help.

Further suggestions?

Jim   W4LC



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:13 PM ve3ki <ve3iay@...> wrote:
What have you got configured for PTT in the N1MM+ Configurer?

If you click on the TX button in the Digital Interface window, does the radio go into transmit?

Are you using a copy of MMTTY that you have previously used on its own and that is configured to control the radio directly? If so, the settings in that copy of MMTTY will conflict with the settings in N1MM+. You need to make a separate copy of the MMTTY.exe file in a separate directory so that the MMTTY settings for PTT, radio control, etc. will be stored separately from the settings you use stand-alone.

RIght-click on one of the function-key buttons in the main N1MM+ Entry window to open the function key message editor. Do the messages in the file start with {TX} and end with {RX}? If not, that is not an RTTY message file.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:02 PM, James Brown wrote:
Trying to get N1MM to work with my new TS80.  I have no previous experience with n1mm, but have used writelog for years.  Writelog works fine with the TS890

So far, N1MM is communicating with the TS890 on COM7 ( a virtual port).  I have a RTTY program file loaded and decoding is taking place.  However, I cannot get N1MM to key the radio.  The engine is MMTTY.

Suggestions?     Jim   W4LC


Re: N1MM with RTTY and TS890

ve3ki
 

Are you using FSK or AFSK?

If you are using FSK, you need to supply an on-off keying signal, which cannot be on the same serial port as rig control. There is a document describing setup for the TS890's two USB serial ports in the Additional Support Files area of the N1MM+ web site.

If you are using AFSK, you need to configure the USB sound card in the radio as the sound card in MMTTY (Options window, Soundcard tab). You may also need to check the "Internal Radio Codec" check box under the Playback tab in the Logger+ Audio setup (from the Config menu).

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM, James Brown wrote:
Hi Rich
 
I have PTT configured for SSB, CW, and digital in the configurer
 
The radio goes into xmit when the TX button is pressed.  However, no rtty tones are heard.
 
Have not used MMTTY as a standalone, but do use it as a supplemental decoder only in Writelog.
 
Right clicking on the function  key buttons shows that they begin with a TX and end with an RX
 
Some progress, but there yet.   Appreciate the help.
 
Further suggestions?
 
Jim   W4LC
 
 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:13 PM ve3ki <ve3iay@...> wrote:
What have you got configured for PTT in the N1MM+ Configurer?

If you click on the TX button in the Digital Interface window, does the radio go into transmit?

Are you using a copy of MMTTY that you have previously used on its own and that is configured to control the radio directly? If so, the settings in that copy of MMTTY will conflict with the settings in N1MM+. You need to make a separate copy of the MMTTY.exe file in a separate directory so that the MMTTY settings for PTT, radio control, etc. will be stored separately from the settings you use stand-alone.

RIght-click on one of the function-key buttons in the main N1MM+ Entry window to open the function key message editor. Do the messages in the file start with {TX} and end with {RX}? If not, that is not an RTTY message file.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:02 PM, James Brown wrote:
Trying to get N1MM to work with my new TS80.  I have no previous experience with n1mm, but have used writelog for years.  Writelog works fine with the TS890

So far, N1MM is communicating with the TS890 on COM7 ( a virtual port).  I have a RTTY program file loaded and decoding is taking place.  However, I cannot get N1MM to key the radio.  The engine is MMTTY.

Suggestions?     Jim   W4LC

 

 


Re: N1MM with RTTY and TS890

George Skoubis W7GES
 

James,

  Try going to the N1MM site. 

  Click on Downloads / Category menu / Additional support files

  You will see a doc that starts with TS-890 that shows how my TS-890 is setup for FSK with N1MM

George / W7GES 

On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:19 AM, James Brown <w4lc45@...> wrote:


Hi Rich

I have PTT configured for SSB, CW, and digital in the configurer

The radio goes into xmit when the TX button is pressed.  However, no rtty tones are heard.

Have not used MMTTY as a standalone, but do use it as a supplemental decoder only in Writelog.

Right clicking on the function  key buttons shows that they begin with a TX and end with an RX

Some progress, but there yet.   Appreciate the help.

Further suggestions?

Jim   W4LC



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:13 PM ve3ki <ve3iay@...> wrote:
What have you got configured for PTT in the N1MM+ Configurer?

If you click on the TX button in the Digital Interface window, does the radio go into transmit?

Are you using a copy of MMTTY that you have previously used on its own and that is configured to control the radio directly? If so, the settings in that copy of MMTTY will conflict with the settings in N1MM+. You need to make a separate copy of the MMTTY.exe file in a separate directory so that the MMTTY settings for PTT, radio control, etc. will be stored separately from the settings you use stand-alone.

RIght-click on one of the function-key buttons in the main N1MM+ Entry window to open the function key message editor. Do the messages in the file start with {TX} and end with {RX}? If not, that is not an RTTY message file.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:02 PM, James Brown wrote:
Trying to get N1MM to work with my new TS80.  I have no previous experience with n1mm, but have used writelog for years.  Writelog works fine with the TS890

So far, N1MM is communicating with the TS890 on COM7 ( a virtual port).  I have a RTTY program file loaded and decoding is taking place.  However, I cannot get N1MM to key the radio.  The engine is MMTTY.

Suggestions?     Jim   W4LC


Re: N1MM with RTTY and TS890

James Brown
 

Hi Rich

I have PTT configured for SSB, CW, and digital in the configurer

The radio goes into xmit when the TX button is pressed.  However, no rtty tones are heard.

Have not used MMTTY as a standalone, but do use it as a supplemental decoder only in Writelog.

Right clicking on the function  key buttons shows that they begin with a TX and end with an RX

Some progress, but there yet.   Appreciate the help.

Further suggestions?

Jim   W4LC



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:13 PM ve3ki <ve3iay@...> wrote:
What have you got configured for PTT in the N1MM+ Configurer?

If you click on the TX button in the Digital Interface window, does the radio go into transmit?

Are you using a copy of MMTTY that you have previously used on its own and that is configured to control the radio directly? If so, the settings in that copy of MMTTY will conflict with the settings in N1MM+. You need to make a separate copy of the MMTTY.exe file in a separate directory so that the MMTTY settings for PTT, radio control, etc. will be stored separately from the settings you use stand-alone.

RIght-click on one of the function-key buttons in the main N1MM+ Entry window to open the function key message editor. Do the messages in the file start with {TX} and end with {RX}? If not, that is not an RTTY message file.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:02 PM, James Brown wrote:
Trying to get N1MM to work with my new TS80.  I have no previous experience with n1mm, but have used writelog for years.  Writelog works fine with the TS890

So far, N1MM is communicating with the TS890 on COM7 ( a virtual port).  I have a RTTY program file loaded and decoding is taking place.  However, I cannot get N1MM to key the radio.  The engine is MMTTY.

Suggestions?     Jim   W4LC


Re: N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

Dave New, N8SBE
 

Folks,

In my mind, a pandemic is also a valid emergency situation, one which we don't even have to simulate these days. 

A pandemic has the peculiar feature of leaving the infrastructure largely intact (power, water, Internet, etc) while crippling all direct face-to-face interoperability, including the ability to put together classical multi-multi or multi-single operations.

That is where the adapting comes in.  And it turns out that no change in the FD rules are needed, either.  Operate as class 4E, for example, with multiple locations.  There is nothing in the FD rules prohibiting this.  Only class A stations need be located within a 1000 ft. circle.  Class E (and most others) have no such restriction.

So, run your distributed multi-multi under class E with a single callsign and claim the number of simultaneous transmitter/modes you have on the air, and Bob's your Uncle.  No need to qualify your entry.  Use the club call (with the permission of the call trustee), and coordinate your operation so you remain within the max number of signals you wish to enter under.  The only issue is keeping your neighbors sane while running a generator all night in a quiet neighborhood.  Maybe you can run from batteries all night?  Think outside the box.

I realize this means shifting the usual class A competition to class E, for this year at least, but it could be a lot worse.  Buck up, and stop whining.  Get out there and make this Field Day a success, using class E stations, instead of class A.  Maybe next year, we can go back to non-pandemic mode.  In the meantime, we will have successfully shown how we adapted to a pandemic situation and still managed to effectively jam the airwaves with signals.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE (Joint U of M and ARROW Field Day coordinator)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
From: "AB2ZY" <akozak@...>
Date: Tue, April 28, 2020 7:56 pm
To: "N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io" <N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io>

OK, that was my penultimate word. This is the ultimate:
 
Instead of operating with a large group, grab your IC-703 (or whatever you have), a  multiband dipole (G5RV or similar) or a multiband vertical (I have one I have been using “temporarily” for 2 years)  stuck in a bucket of sand with 16 radials, a camping generator and a laptop. Go out in your yard. The deck. Drive to a trailhead. Empty parking lot. Anywhere you can maintain social distancing. Operate from there, vying for mainly regional contacts. Operate 1B.  You will have fun. You will not need the internet.
 
Of course, if you go mainly for the food, beverages and company that may be less than satisfying. But still better than operating 1D.
 
Al
AB2ZY
 
From: Al Kozakiewicz
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:16 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: RE: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
My last word on the subject:
 
I “object” because you can’t simulate preparation for an actual emergency communications situation by assuming that the mainstream technologies that need replacing are fully functional in such an emergency!
 
I thought the ARRL’s suggested adaptations were within the spirit of FD while not turning it into another contest.
 
Al
AB2ZY
 
From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:28 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
Sorry, Al, you are missing the point.  Distributed or co-located, all the QSOs are made in the traditional way with RF.  When the stations are co-located, the logging computers (instead of paper and pencil) are connected through a local network (LAN).  When “distributed”, the computers are networked through a Wide Area Network (WAN), i.e., the “internet”.  Computer to computer communication is essentially the same in either case, just the distance has changed.
 
I’m sure you know all this but I can’t understand why you would object to how the logging computers communicate with each other.
 
But all this aside, the real point I was making is the irony of the fact that ARRL was saying that we should “adapt” while refusing a request to do just that. And it has nothing to do with whether it’s a contest or not.
 
73, Ted W4NZ
 
 
From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of AB2ZY
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
I dunno, but Field Day is supposed to be a simulation (perhaps stuck in a 1950s paradigm, but a simulation nonetheless) of using amateur radio to supplement or replace conventional communications infrastructure. So in the 21st century if you have access to a working Internet you have no need for supplemental wireless communications. If you’re going to have people sit home and communicate with radio equipment via the internet, then just conduct the exercise over the internet and dispense with the radios!  I think the ARRL is doing the right thing here. FD ain’t a contest!
 
Al
AB2ZY
 
From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
“…we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020…”
 
“"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020 ….… the theme of adapting is apropos.”
 
HUH?
73, Ted W4NZ
 
From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry K8UT
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:45 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Cc: wa8efk@...; Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
Considering N1MM+'s recent VPN improvements - and the COVID-19 lockdowns - we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020.
 
The response:
"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020. Recognizing that Field Day is not a contest, but instead is an operating exercise, the theme of adapting is apropos."
 
As other contests have begun allowing distributed multi-op, we have heard from clubs that intend to operate Field Day in a similar distributed multi-op architecture. We advise any club that participates using an unsanctioned category to clearly identify their rules violation to the ARRL and in any log submission.
 
-larry (K8UT)
 
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s@...>
Sent: 2020-04-28 10:15:10
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
not really MM reflector content, but I read that newletter twice, and I dont see where they added a class 1A....
 
------ Original Message ------
From: "Joe WB9SBD" <nss@...>
Sent: 4/28/2020 10:08:15 AM
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
 
My first about it came like this,
Dear Central Division Member -
 
        There have been many suggestions forchanges to the rules for
Field Day-2020 on account of the present social distancing requirements.
Below is today's message from the ARRL  HQ's Contest Manager,  Paul
Bourque,  N1SFE that explains a change to the listing of club names for
Field Day  participants . ALL participants will have that participant's
club name associated with their listing.
 
         73, Kermit Carlson W9XA
 
details followed,,
 
>From the ARRL NEWS;
 
04/22/2020
 
This year, ARRL Field Day promises to be a unique iteration of this
annual event, with many individuals and groups coming up with new and
interesting ways to adjust their approach. As an event, Field Day is
structured to be versatile and can be adapted for any situation.
 
Many groups have asked how they can adjust their Field Day planning to
address social-distancing guidelines that may be in effect in many areas
of the country, as gathering at their traditional Field Day site may not
be feasible or safe. Instead of participating in a group event this
year, consider operating as a Class B, C, D, or E station, utilizing
your own call sign.
 
ARRL will include club names for all participating stations in the
published results, so the efforts of your club’s members can be
acknowledged. While we will not publish an aggregate club score, seeing
the name of your club associated with various individual member’s
results is certainly a way to highlight your club’s activity.
 
Myriad opportunities are possible in this year’s Field Day setting.
These are just a couple.
 
    Consider having an intra-club competition among members, seeing who
can make the most contacts during the event. You can award prizes or
distribute certificates at a club meeting. This can be a fun way to
bolster the activities of individual club members, even though they
cannot all gather together at the same location this year.
    Set up a Field Day Challenge with rival clubs in neighboring
communities. See how many members of each club get on the air from their
own stations and participate in the event. In addition to “bragging
rights,” perhaps certificates to the top-scoring individual entries in
each category can be presented as part of this inter-club camaraderie.
 
One club is planning to conduct its Field Day as a 4A club group, with
participants spaced to comply with social distancing guidelines within
the required 1,000-foot diameter circle and operating individual
stations. This club also plans to set up a “Get on the Air” (GOTA)
station. The club’s plan is to have the GOTA coach at the Field Day
site, while GOTA operators participate via remote link.
 
Another club is planning to set up a remote-controlled station at its
usual Field Day site, with club members taking turns controlling the
station from their homes. The club is developing a schedule that
outlines when each member of the club will be at the helm via the remote
link.
 
Whatever approach you take to this year’s Field Day, keep up to date
with the current guidelines issued by local and state health agencies
that may impact your proposed operation.
 
ARRL invites your stories about the interesting and creative ways
you’re planning to use to adapt your Field Day operation. Share these
on the ARRL Field Day Facebook page.
 
For the latest news and updates, visit the Field Day webpage. —
 
 Thanks to ARRL Contest Program Manager Paul Bourque, N1SFE
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
ARRL Central Division
Director: Kermit A Carlson, W9XA
w9xa@...
 



Re: N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

Gerry Hull
 


Tom and I also did some testing with the free SoftEther VPN; tests between the two of us seemed to work.
I know this is not "mainstream" for N1MM+, and Tom and the team have a handful getting Hamachi working properly (though it seems they have go it!).
The side benefit of this great work is SoftEther seems to work as well.

SoftEther is totally free for any number of users, is very robust, and has free Amazon hosting with no user limits.
If anyone wants to test with me in a large user scenario, I'll set up a test network, then post the install/connectivity info here.
Install is pretty straightforward, and yes, both Hamachi and SoftEther can exist on the same machine.

73,

Gerry W1VE


On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:34 AM Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> wrote:
We found yet another bug in the Hamachi support, this time exposed by
one of K8UT's computers. Accordingly, i have posted "Yet another fix for
Hamachi support" in the experimental area:

https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/mmfiles/categories/programexperimental/

I expect this one to do everything the last one did and more and I also
expect that it will be in Tuesday's build.

73,

Tom

On 4/26/2020 6:37 AM, John Bednar via groups.io wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Be sure that you followed the distributed multi-op band/mode rules at
> the bottom of this page:
>
> https://floridaqsoparty.org/
>
> The ARRL has not changed the rules for Field Day.
>
> John, K3CT**
>
> **
>
> *From:*N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Porada
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 5:57 AM
> *To:* N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN
>
> Running the FQP on the VPN, mostly working with 9 members. Everyone
> updated to 1.0.8332 before the start but most had already manually
> populated stations in Network Status. After FQP we'll unpopulate the
> in Network Status stations and give the auto populate a chance to fill in.
>
> All in all, it is exciting to use the logger in this manner and all
> stations can see who is doing what.
>
> Scores will skyrocket!!
>
> Is Field Day next??!!
>
>




locked Re: Invitation: N1MM+ via Hamachi Zoom Workshop #poll

Kelvin D. Olson
 

Apologies - I initially said Yes, thinking it would be interesting to learn.

THEN I saw the thing that said it was an exercise limited to 32 participants. I won't take the spot of someone who would actually use the info for an upcoming contest.

I would join if you're not-full this afternoon. Regardless, thank you for doing this - you're a saint.
--
KDO
n0mql


Re: "Too many messages" tip of the day

Kelvin D. Olson
 

I tuned around a bit and did some spot reports during the Podunk QSO party, but I knew I didn't have enough operating time to make it worth the effort to set up a new contest log.
--
KDO
n0mql


Re: VPN alternatives

Mac
 

To this point:   I'd rather not have users put in their own network mask

If you ever DO want to let users input their own info, at least use a checkbox to enable the 'advanced' override, rather than rely upon a single mask field which may or may not have user data in it. That way, if it ain't checked, it ain't used.

Just sayin'

-Mac NT4D



Re: VPN alternatives

Marshall Thomas
 

Interesting.
I use softether and I am curious about why N1MM+ would even need to know about or have any idea about the VPN network?

The only issue that I've seen is that a remote client gets a dynamically allocated IP address. If that client disconnects for some and then reconnects, N1MM becomes confused because that computer has a different IP address as far as N1MM is concerned.  Restarting N1MM on all nodes causes "re-discovery" of the current IP addresses assigned to the various computer names.  I may be able to configure Softether to give a fixed IP to a specific computer name. I don't know how hard it would be for N1MM to discover (by command) that Computer named XXX with IP of a, now has an IP of b?

Cheers,
WX5S



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:37 AM Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> wrote:
Jacques,

I have tried to support VPNs in general.  I tested SoftEther with W1VE
and it works with the latest download version.

I first look for a VPN by NetworkInterfaceType.  If there is one there,
I use it and send the broadcast to x.y.z.255.  In the case of Hamachi, I
need to send it to x.255.255.255, so that is handled by name.

Please test the latest version and see if it works with your
installation of OpenVPN.  I am hoping that it already works. If not, I
would be happy to find a way to identify OpenVPN and create the right
broadcast for it.

I'd rather not have users put in their own network mask.  I already have
a way for them to make it work without autoconfig by specifying the ip
addresses of the other stations.  I want to make it automatic for 99% of
users without intervention.

73,

Tom - N1MM

On 4/29/2020 4:00 AM, Jacques Debouche wrote:
> Hi  Tom, I have been following your nice presentation, via Youtube,
> great ! Thanks for this , neat and clear!
> I learned that N1MMLoggerPlus is tight to the Hamachi VPN network,  i
> understood that  the search of the VPN adapter this is hard coded  ,
> and only supports "HAM achi" for the moment.
>
> I would like to make a suggestion,:  openVPN is one of the largest VPN
> system used in Europe, ( probably also in the US) , it is open Source,
> and really reliable.
> In the latest IARU  contest as "HQ"  station we were using PRITUNL, (
> free and open source)  Pritunl is a packaged form of openvpn, that let
> u to use easy client installation  managing client config and
> certificates from a central point ( web gui)
> worked great except that auto discovery did not work, ( supposing that
> broadcast packet are not pased to other adpter ?)
>
> So my question here is , instead of tying N1MMLoggerPlus to a specific
> VPN system,  do you see the possibility to bound N1MMLoggerPlus
> Network interface to a specific network adapter by mean of :
> selecting the adapter from a drop box list
> or choosing the adapter  having a specific given  networkmask like
> "10.73.88.0"
>
> More:  I am ready to write the documentation related to pritunl client,
> ad assist "IT" people in installing pritunl server.
> Thnks a lot for what N1MMLoggerPlus is   as per today...
>
> Kind regards, 73
>
> Jacques ON5OO
>
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Tom Wagner (N1MM)" <n1mmtomwagner@...>
> To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
> Sent: 27/04/2020 22:33:04
> Subject: [N1MM+] VPN Teleconference - Wednesday April 29th
>
>>
>> The Tuesday, April 28^th N1MM+ Update will contain improvements to
>> the logging program’s wide area networking capabilities. This version
>> includes improved support for the Hamachi VPN, as well as support for
>> the SoftEther VPN protocol.
>>
>> For those of you who have decided to circumvent coronavirus lockdowns
>> by operating distributed multi-op stations, the N1MM Developers are
>> hosting another Zoom teleconference focused on Hamachi virtual
>> private networks. *This is not a demonstration, but a practical
>> exercise* where attendees will install, configure and connect their
>> N1MM+ stations to a hosted VPN. The teleconference will be conducted
>> on Wednesday, April 29^th at 3pm EDST (19:00 utc).
>>
>> You must register for the free event by responding to an email
>> "survey" that I will send out shortly. The Hamachi VPN is limited to
>> 32 attendees, and invitations will be sent to attendees on a
>> first-come first-served basis. You will need an internet connected
>> Windows PC with N1MM installed, and at least a microphone. Webcams
>> are optional but recommended
>>
>> In preparation, attendees should download and print the draft
>> documentation "N1MM Networking using Hamachi to create a Virtual
>> Private Network
>> <https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/mmfiles/draft-distributed-multi-op-contesting-using-n1mm-with-a-hamachi-vpn_v0-10-pdf/>,
>> which we will follow for the exercise. Additional details for
>> attendees will be included in the invitation to be sent Wednesday two
>> hours prior to the teleconference.
>>
>> Tom - N1MM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: VPN alternatives

Tom Wagner (N1MM)
 

Jacques,

I have tried to support VPNs in general.  I tested SoftEther with W1VE and it works with the latest download version.

I first look for a VPN by NetworkInterfaceType.  If there is one there, I use it and send the broadcast to x.y.z.255.  In the case of Hamachi, I need to send it to x.255.255.255, so that is handled by name.

Please test the latest version and see if it works with your installation of OpenVPN.  I am hoping that it already works. If not, I would be happy to find a way to identify OpenVPN and create the right broadcast for it.

I'd rather not have users put in their own network mask.  I already have a way for them to make it work without autoconfig by specifying the ip addresses of the other stations.  I want to make it automatic for 99% of users without intervention.

73,

Tom - N1MM

On 4/29/2020 4:00 AM, Jacques Debouche wrote:
Hi  Tom, I have been following your nice presentation, via Youtube,
great ! Thanks for this , neat and clear!
I learned that N1MMLoggerPlus is tight to the Hamachi VPN network,  i understood that  the search of the VPN adapter this is hard coded  , and only supports "HAM achi" for the moment.

I would like to make a suggestion,:  openVPN is one of the largest VPN system used in Europe, ( probably also in the US) , it is open Source, and really reliable.
In the latest IARU  contest as "HQ"  station we were using PRITUNL, ( free and open source)  Pritunl is a packaged form of openvpn, that let u to use easy client installation  managing client config and certificates from a central point ( web gui)
worked great except that auto discovery did not work, ( supposing that broadcast packet are not pased to other adpter ?)

So my question here is , instead of tying N1MMLoggerPlus to a specific VPN system,  do you see the possibility to bound N1MMLoggerPlus Network interface to a specific network adapter by mean of :
selecting the adapter from a drop box list
or choosing the adapter  having a specific given  networkmask like "10.73.88.0"

More:  I am ready to write the documentation related to pritunl client,
ad assist "IT" people in installing pritunl server.
Thnks a lot for what N1MMLoggerPlus is   as per today...

Kind regards, 73

Jacques ON5OO





------ Original Message ------
From: "Tom Wagner (N1MM)" <n1mmtomwagner@...>
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Sent: 27/04/2020 22:33:04
Subject: [N1MM+] VPN Teleconference - Wednesday April 29th


The Tuesday, April 28^th N1MM+ Update will contain improvements to the logging program’s wide area networking capabilities. This version includes improved support for the Hamachi VPN, as well as support for the SoftEther VPN protocol.

For those of you who have decided to circumvent coronavirus lockdowns by operating distributed multi-op stations, the N1MM Developers are hosting another Zoom teleconference focused on Hamachi virtual private networks. *This is not a demonstration, but a practical exercise* where attendees will install, configure and connect their N1MM+ stations to a hosted VPN. The teleconference will be conducted on Wednesday, April 29^th at 3pm EDST (19:00 utc).

You must register for the free event by responding to an email "survey" that I will send out shortly. The Hamachi VPN is limited to 32 attendees, and invitations will be sent to attendees on a first-come first-served basis. You will need an internet connected Windows PC with N1MM installed, and at least a microphone. Webcams are optional but recommended

In preparation, attendees should download and print the draft documentation "N1MM Networking using Hamachi to create a Virtual Private Network <https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/mmfiles/draft-distributed-multi-op-contesting-using-n1mm-with-a-hamachi-vpn_v0-10-pdf/>, which we will follow for the exercise. Additional details for attendees will be included in the invitation to be sent Wednesday two hours prior to the teleconference.

Tom - N1MM





Re: VPN alternatives

Jacques Debouche
 

Hi Tom, I have been following your nice presentation, via Youtube,
great ! Thanks for this , neat and clear!
I learned that N1MMLoggerPlus is tight to the Hamachi VPN network, i understood that the search of the VPN adapter this is hard coded , and only supports "HAM achi" for the moment.

I would like to make a suggestion,: openVPN is one of the largest VPN system used in Europe, ( probably also in the US) , it is open Source, and really reliable.
In the latest IARU contest as "HQ" station we were using PRITUNL, ( free and open source) Pritunl is a packaged form of openvpn, that let u to use easy client installation managing client config and certificates from a central point ( web gui)
worked great except that auto discovery did not work, ( supposing that broadcast packet are not pased to other adpter ?)

So my question here is , instead of tying N1MMLoggerPlus to a specific VPN system, do you see the possibility to bound N1MMLoggerPlus Network interface to a specific network adapter by mean of :
selecting the adapter from a drop box list
or choosing the adapter having a specific given networkmask like "10.73.88.0"

More: I am ready to write the documentation related to pritunl client,
ad assist "IT" people in installing pritunl server.
Thnks a lot for what N1MMLoggerPlus is as per today...

Kind regards, 73

Jacques ON5OO

------ Original Message ------
From: "Tom Wagner (N1MM)" <n1mmtomwagner@...>
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Sent: 27/04/2020 22:33:04
Subject: [N1MM+] VPN Teleconference - Wednesday April 29th


The Tuesday, April 28^th N1MM+ Update will contain improvements to the logging program’s wide area networking capabilities. This version includes improved support for the Hamachi VPN, as well as support for the SoftEther VPN protocol.

For those of you who have decided to circumvent coronavirus lockdowns by operating distributed multi-op stations, the N1MM Developers are hosting another Zoom teleconference focused on Hamachi virtual private networks. *This is not a demonstration, but a practical exercise* where attendees will install, configure and connect their N1MM+ stations to a hosted VPN. The teleconference will be conducted on Wednesday, April 29^th at 3pm EDST (19:00 utc).

You must register for the free event by responding to an email "survey" that I will send out shortly. The Hamachi VPN is limited to 32 attendees, and invitations will be sent to attendees on a first-come first-served basis. You will need an internet connected Windows PC with N1MM installed, and at least a microphone. Webcams are optional but recommended

In preparation, attendees should download and print the draft documentation "N1MM Networking using Hamachi to create a Virtual Private Network <https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/mmfiles/draft-distributed-multi-op-contesting-using-n1mm-with-a-hamachi-vpn_v0-10-pdf/>, which we will follow for the exercise. Additional details for attendees will be included in the invitation to be sent Wednesday two hours prior to the teleconference.

Tom - N1MM




Re: N1MM lost everything.

Rick Tavan
 

If you have an ADIF of your log, you can create a new database, create a new log in it, and Import the ADIF into the log.

Can't advise you on telnet clusters. It depends on what kind of coverage you're looking for.

73,

/Rick N6XI


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:29 PM bmanning <bmanning@...> wrote:

Rick

that did not work. the old .adif and .txt logs are there but not under the "database" file. Another question, I have just started using the bandmap, what cluster do most folks use?

73

 Bruce NJ3K

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:48:08 -0700, Rick Tavan <rtavan@...> wrote:

If you know the old files are still there, then you can use File | Open Database to select the old database, then Open Log in Database to get the old log. Probably.
 
GL,
 
/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:01 PM bmanning <bmanning@...> wrote:
I was using N1MM last evening learning about the bandmap. This morning when I opened up N1MM it said there was a problem and I needed to copy some file over. I could not locate the file and it said there was a new version so I installed the new version. At that point I had to start all over setting everything up. radio, winkeyer, name address........ I now have the frequency display working, restarted N1MM, but all my old logs will not show up. They are still here on the hard drive but I can't access them. I am not sure how to get them in the new N1MM+?

 

 



--
--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA
-- 
Bruce A. Manning



--
--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA


Re: N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

AB2ZY
 

OK, that was my penultimate word. This is the ultimate:

 

Instead of operating with a large group, grab your IC-703 (or whatever you have), a  multiband dipole (G5RV or similar) or a multiband vertical (I have one I have been using “temporarily” for 2 years)  stuck in a bucket of sand with 16 radials, a camping generator and a laptop. Go out in your yard. The deck. Drive to a trailhead. Empty parking lot. Anywhere you can maintain social distancing. Operate from there, vying for mainly regional contacts. Operate 1B.  You will have fun. You will not need the internet.

 

Of course, if you go mainly for the food, beverages and company that may be less than satisfying. But still better than operating 1D.

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: Al Kozakiewicz
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:16 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: RE: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

My last word on the subject:

 

I “object” because you can’t simulate preparation for an actual emergency communications situation by assuming that the mainstream technologies that need replacing are fully functional in such an emergency!

 

I thought the ARRL’s suggested adaptations were within the spirit of FD while not turning it into another contest.

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:28 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

Sorry, Al, you are missing the point.  Distributed or co-located, all the QSOs are made in the traditional way with RF.  When the stations are co-located, the logging computers (instead of paper and pencil) are connected through a local network (LAN).  When “distributed”, the computers are networked through a Wide Area Network (WAN), i.e., the “internet”.  Computer to computer communication is essentially the same in either case, just the distance has changed.

 

I’m sure you know all this but I can’t understand why you would object to how the logging computers communicate with each other.

 

But all this aside, the real point I was making is the irony of the fact that ARRL was saying that we should “adapt” while refusing a request to do just that. And it has nothing to do with whether it’s a contest or not.

 

73, Ted W4NZ

 

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of AB2ZY
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

I dunno, but Field Day is supposed to be a simulation (perhaps stuck in a 1950s paradigm, but a simulation nonetheless) of using amateur radio to supplement or replace conventional communications infrastructure. So in the 21st century if you have access to a working Internet you have no need for supplemental wireless communications. If you’re going to have people sit home and communicate with radio equipment via the internet, then just conduct the exercise over the internet and dispense with the radios!  I think the ARRL is doing the right thing here. FD ain’t a contest!

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

“…we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020…”

 

“"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020 ….… the theme of adapting is apropos.”

 

HUH?

73, Ted W4NZ

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry K8UT
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:45 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Cc: wa8efk@...; Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

Considering N1MM+'s recent VPN improvements - and the COVID-19 lockdowns - we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020.

 

The response:

"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020. Recognizing that Field Day is not a contest, but instead is an operating exercise, the theme of adapting is apropos."

 

As other contests have begun allowing distributed multi-op, we have heard from clubs that intend to operate Field Day in a similar distributed multi-op architecture. We advise any club that participates using an unsanctioned category to clearly identify their rules violation to the ARRL and in any log submission.

 

-larry (K8UT)

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s@...>

Sent: 2020-04-28 10:15:10

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

not really MM reflector content, but I read that newletter twice, and I dont see where they added a class 1A....

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Joe WB9SBD" <nss@...>

Sent: 4/28/2020 10:08:15 AM

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

My first about it came like this,

Dear Central Division Member -
 
        There have been many suggestions forchanges to the rules for
Field Day-2020 on account of the present social distancing requirements.
Below is today's message from the ARRL  HQ's Contest Manager,  Paul
Bourque,  N1SFE that explains a change to the listing of club names for
Field Day  participants . ALL participants will have that participant's
club name associated with their listing.
 
         73, Kermit Carlson W9XA
 
details followed,,
 
>From the ARRL NEWS;
 
04/22/2020
 
This year, ARRL Field Day promises to be a unique iteration of this
annual event, with many individuals and groups coming up with new and
interesting ways to adjust their approach. As an event, Field Day is
structured to be versatile and can be adapted for any situation.
 
Many groups have asked how they can adjust their Field Day planning to
address social-distancing guidelines that may be in effect in many areas
of the country, as gathering at their traditional Field Day site may not
be feasible or safe. Instead of participating in a group event this
year, consider operating as a Class B, C, D, or E station, utilizing
your own call sign.
 
ARRL will include club names for all participating stations in the
published results, so the efforts of your club’s members can be
acknowledged. While we will not publish an aggregate club score, seeing
the name of your club associated with various individual member’s
results is certainly a way to highlight your club’s activity.
 
Myriad opportunities are possible in this year’s Field Day setting.
These are just a couple.
 
    Consider having an intra-club competition among members, seeing who
can make the most contacts during the event. You can award prizes or
distribute certificates at a club meeting. This can be a fun way to
bolster the activities of individual club members, even though they
cannot all gather together at the same location this year.
    Set up a Field Day Challenge with rival clubs in neighboring
communities. See how many members of each club get on the air from their
own stations and participate in the event. In addition to “bragging
rights,” perhaps certificates to the top-scoring individual entries in
each category can be presented as part of this inter-club camaraderie.
 
One club is planning to conduct its Field Day as a 4A club group, with
participants spaced to comply with social distancing guidelines within
the required 1,000-foot diameter circle and operating individual
stations. This club also plans to set up a “Get on the Air” (GOTA)
station. The club’s plan is to have the GOTA coach at the Field Day
site, while GOTA operators participate via remote link.
 
Another club is planning to set up a remote-controlled station at its
usual Field Day site, with club members taking turns controlling the
station from their homes. The club is developing a schedule that
outlines when each member of the club will be at the helm via the remote
link.
 
Whatever approach you take to this year’s Field Day, keep up to date
with the current guidelines issued by local and state health agencies
that may impact your proposed operation.
 
ARRL invites your stories about the interesting and creative ways
you’re planning to use to adapt your Field Day operation. Share these
on the ARRL Field Day Facebook page.
 
For the latest news and updates, visit the Field Day webpage. —
 
 Thanks to ARRL Contest Program Manager Paul Bourque, N1SFE
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
ARRL Central Division
Director: Kermit A Carlson, W9XA
w9xa@...
 


Re: N1MM lost everything.

bmanning
 

Rick VE3KI

That's it. I found a file called nj3k-1.s3db. It has my old logs. Thank you, I owe you a cold one :)

73

 Bruce NJ3K

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:54:18 -0700, ve3ki <ve3iay@...> wrote:

The log databases that the program uses are in the Databases folder. The adif and Cabrillo files are normally saved to the ExportFiles folder, but those are not what the program opens as a database, they are, as the folder name suggests, exported files. I suggest you read <https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/setup/contest-setup/#databases-versus-logs>.

The database files are in the Database folders and have the .s3db extension. Do not try to open database files whose names start with N1MM or with the name "Do_Not_Use_Or_Erase.s3db" (duh!). Your database file might have been named ham.s3db; the question is, was that the file that got damaged? If it was, opening it probably won't succeed.

By any chance is your Documents folder in OneDrive? OneDrive has been known to cause corruption of N1MM+ database files, and we recommend installing your user files in a folder that OneDrive does not mess with.

You do not need to connect to a cluster node to use the Bandmap window - but if you do, the program offers an up-to-date list of known-good cluster node addresses in the Telnet window, under the Clusters tab. If you check the "Enable live Cluster List access and opt-in to data collection" check box, the listbox immediately above that checkbox will offer you a current list.  Pick one. They all carry the same spots. See
<https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/manual-windows/telnet-window/#clusters-tab>.

73,
Rich VE3KI


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 06:29 PM, bmanning wrote:

Rick

that did not work. the old .adif and .txt logs are there but not under the "database" file. Another question, I have just started using the bandmap, what cluster do most folks use?

73

 Bruce NJ3K

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:48:08 -0700, Rick Tavan <rtavan@...> wrote:

If you know the old files are still there, then you can use File | Open Database to select the old database, then Open Log in Database to get the old log. Probably.
 
GL,
 
/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:01 PM bmanning <bmanning@...> wrote:
I was using N1MM last evening learning about the bandmap. This morning when I opened up N1MM it said there was a problem and I needed to copy some file over. I could not locate the file and it said there was a new version so I installed the new version. At that point I had to start all over setting everything up. radio, winkeyer, name address........ I now have the frequency display working, restarted N1MM, but all my old logs will not show up. They are still here on the hard drive but I can't access them. I am not sure how to get them in the new N1MM+?

 

 



--
--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA
-- 
Bruce A. Manning
-- 
Bruce A. Manning


Re: N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

AB2ZY
 

My last word on the subject:

 

I “object” because you can’t simulate preparation for an actual emergency communications situation by assuming that the mainstream technologies that need replacing are fully functional in such an emergency!

 

I thought the ARRL’s suggested adaptations were within the spirit of FD while not turning it into another contest.

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:28 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

Sorry, Al, you are missing the point.  Distributed or co-located, all the QSOs are made in the traditional way with RF.  When the stations are co-located, the logging computers (instead of paper and pencil) are connected through a local network (LAN).  When “distributed”, the computers are networked through a Wide Area Network (WAN), i.e., the “internet”.  Computer to computer communication is essentially the same in either case, just the distance has changed.

 

I’m sure you know all this but I can’t understand why you would object to how the logging computers communicate with each other.

 

But all this aside, the real point I was making is the irony of the fact that ARRL was saying that we should “adapt” while refusing a request to do just that. And it has nothing to do with whether it’s a contest or not.

 

73, Ted W4NZ

 

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of AB2ZY
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

I dunno, but Field Day is supposed to be a simulation (perhaps stuck in a 1950s paradigm, but a simulation nonetheless) of using amateur radio to supplement or replace conventional communications infrastructure. So in the 21st century if you have access to a working Internet you have no need for supplemental wireless communications. If you’re going to have people sit home and communicate with radio equipment via the internet, then just conduct the exercise over the internet and dispense with the radios!  I think the ARRL is doing the right thing here. FD ain’t a contest!

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

“…we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020…”

 

“"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020 ….… the theme of adapting is apropos.”

 

HUH?

73, Ted W4NZ

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry K8UT
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:45 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Cc: wa8efk@...; Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

Considering N1MM+'s recent VPN improvements - and the COVID-19 lockdowns - we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020.

 

The response:

"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020. Recognizing that Field Day is not a contest, but instead is an operating exercise, the theme of adapting is apropos."

 

As other contests have begun allowing distributed multi-op, we have heard from clubs that intend to operate Field Day in a similar distributed multi-op architecture. We advise any club that participates using an unsanctioned category to clearly identify their rules violation to the ARRL and in any log submission.

 

-larry (K8UT)

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s@...>

Sent: 2020-04-28 10:15:10

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

not really MM reflector content, but I read that newletter twice, and I dont see where they added a class 1A....

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Joe WB9SBD" <nss@...>

Sent: 4/28/2020 10:08:15 AM

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

My first about it came like this,

Dear Central Division Member -
 
        There have been many suggestions forchanges to the rules for
Field Day-2020 on account of the present social distancing requirements.
Below is today's message from the ARRL  HQ's Contest Manager,  Paul
Bourque,  N1SFE that explains a change to the listing of club names for
Field Day  participants . ALL participants will have that participant's
club name associated with their listing.
 
         73, Kermit Carlson W9XA
 
details followed,,
 
>From the ARRL NEWS;
 
04/22/2020
 
This year, ARRL Field Day promises to be a unique iteration of this
annual event, with many individuals and groups coming up with new and
interesting ways to adjust their approach. As an event, Field Day is
structured to be versatile and can be adapted for any situation.
 
Many groups have asked how they can adjust their Field Day planning to
address social-distancing guidelines that may be in effect in many areas
of the country, as gathering at their traditional Field Day site may not
be feasible or safe. Instead of participating in a group event this
year, consider operating as a Class B, C, D, or E station, utilizing
your own call sign.
 
ARRL will include club names for all participating stations in the
published results, so the efforts of your club’s members can be
acknowledged. While we will not publish an aggregate club score, seeing
the name of your club associated with various individual member’s
results is certainly a way to highlight your club’s activity.
 
Myriad opportunities are possible in this year’s Field Day setting.
These are just a couple.
 
    Consider having an intra-club competition among members, seeing who
can make the most contacts during the event. You can award prizes or
distribute certificates at a club meeting. This can be a fun way to
bolster the activities of individual club members, even though they
cannot all gather together at the same location this year.
    Set up a Field Day Challenge with rival clubs in neighboring
communities. See how many members of each club get on the air from their
own stations and participate in the event. In addition to “bragging
rights,” perhaps certificates to the top-scoring individual entries in
each category can be presented as part of this inter-club camaraderie.
 
One club is planning to conduct its Field Day as a 4A club group, with
participants spaced to comply with social distancing guidelines within
the required 1,000-foot diameter circle and operating individual
stations. This club also plans to set up a “Get on the Air” (GOTA)
station. The club’s plan is to have the GOTA coach at the Field Day
site, while GOTA operators participate via remote link.
 
Another club is planning to set up a remote-controlled station at its
usual Field Day site, with club members taking turns controlling the
station from their homes. The club is developing a schedule that
outlines when each member of the club will be at the helm via the remote
link.
 
Whatever approach you take to this year’s Field Day, keep up to date
with the current guidelines issued by local and state health agencies
that may impact your proposed operation.
 
ARRL invites your stories about the interesting and creative ways
you’re planning to use to adapt your Field Day operation. Share these
on the ARRL Field Day Facebook page.
 
For the latest news and updates, visit the Field Day webpage. —
 
 Thanks to ARRL Contest Program Manager Paul Bourque, N1SFE
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
ARRL Central Division
Director: Kermit A Carlson, W9XA
w9xa@...
 


Re: N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

Joe WB9SBD
 

Hence the suggestion class V for the D equivalent people and X for the E people.
V= Distributed commercial power   X= distributed emergency power
Joe WB9SBD

On 4/28/2020 4:39 PM, ve3ki wrote:
I believe the real objection to distributed operations is that having transmitters (and maybe even more importantly, receivers) in different locations makes for unfair competition between distributed and non-distributed stations. I believe this is why some contests that have decided to accept distributed operations have chosen to give the distributed categories different names from the original multi-op categories.

73,
Rich VE3KI

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ted Bryant wrote:

Sorry, Al, you are missing the point.  Distributed or co-located, all the QSOs are made in the traditional way with RF.  When the stations are co-located, the logging computers (instead of paper and pencil) are connected through a local network (LAN).  When “distributed”, the computers are networked through a Wide Area Network (WAN), i.e., the “internet”.  Computer to computer communication is essentially the same in either case, just the distance has changed.

 

I’m sure you know all this but I can’t understand why you would object to how the logging computers communicate with each other.

 

But all this aside, the real point I was making is the irony of the fact that ARRL was saying that we should “adapt” while refusing a request to do just that. And it has nothing to do with whether it’s a contest or not.

 

73, Ted W4NZ

 

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of AB2ZY
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

I dunno, but Field Day is supposed to be a simulation (perhaps stuck in a 1950s paradigm, but a simulation nonetheless) of using amateur radio to supplement or replace conventional communications infrastructure. So in the 21st century if you have access to a working Internet you have no need for supplemental wireless communications. If you’re going to have people sit home and communicate with radio equipment via the internet, then just conduct the exercise over the internet and dispense with the radios!  I think the ARRL is doing the right thing here. FD ain’t a contest!

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

“…we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020…”

 

“"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020 ….… the theme of adapting is apropos.”

 

HUH?

73, Ted W4NZ

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry K8UT
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:45 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Cc: wa8efk@...; Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

Considering N1MM+'s recent VPN improvements - and the COVID-19 lockdowns - we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020.

 

The response:

"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020. Recognizing that Field Day is not a contest, but instead is an operating exercise, the theme of adapting is apropos."

 

As other contests have begun allowing distributed multi-op, we have heard from clubs that intend to operate Field Day in a similar distributed multi-op architecture. We advise any club that participates using an unsanctioned category to clearly identify their rules violation to the ARRL and in any log submission.

 

-larry (K8UT)

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s@...>

Sent: 2020-04-28 10:15:10

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

not really MM reflector content, but I read that newletter twice, and I dont see where they added a class 1A....

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Joe WB9SBD" <nss@...>

Sent: 4/28/2020 10:08:15 AM

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

My first about it came like this,

Dear Central Division Member -
 
        There have been many suggestions forchanges to the rules for
Field Day-2020 on account of the present social distancing requirements.
Below is today's message from the ARRL  HQ's Contest Manager,  Paul
Bourque,  N1SFE that explains a change to the listing of club names for
Field Day  participants . ALL participants will have that participant's
club name associated with their listing.
 
         73, Kermit Carlson W9XA
 
details followed,,
 
>From the ARRL NEWS;
 
04/22/2020
 
This year, ARRL Field Day promises to be a unique iteration of this
annual event, with many individuals and groups coming up with new and
interesting ways to adjust their approach. As an event, Field Day is
structured to be versatile and can be adapted for any situation.
 
Many groups have asked how they can adjust their Field Day planning to
address social-distancing guidelines that may be in effect in many areas
of the country, as gathering at their traditional Field Day site may not
be feasible or safe. Instead of participating in a group event this
year, consider operating as a Class B, C, D, or E station, utilizing
your own call sign.
 
ARRL will include club names for all participating stations in the
published results, so the efforts of your club’s members can be
acknowledged. While we will not publish an aggregate club score, seeing
the name of your club associated with various individual member’s
results is certainly a way to highlight your club’s activity.
 
Myriad opportunities are possible in this year’s Field Day setting.
These are just a couple.
 
    Consider having an intra-club competition among members, seeing who
can make the most contacts during the event. You can award prizes or
distribute certificates at a club meeting. This can be a fun way to
bolster the activities of individual club members, even though they
cannot all gather together at the same location this year.
    Set up a Field Day Challenge with rival clubs in neighboring
communities. See how many members of each club get on the air from their
own stations and participate in the event. In addition to “bragging
rights,” perhaps certificates to the top-scoring individual entries in
each category can be presented as part of this inter-club camaraderie.
 
One club is planning to conduct its Field Day as a 4A club group, with
participants spaced to comply with social distancing guidelines within
the required 1,000-foot diameter circle and operating individual
stations. This club also plans to set up a “Get on the Air” (GOTA)
station. The club’s plan is to have the GOTA coach at the Field Day
site, while GOTA operators participate via remote link.
 
Another club is planning to set up a remote-controlled station at its
usual Field Day site, with club members taking turns controlling the
station from their homes. The club is developing a schedule that
outlines when each member of the club will be at the helm via the remote
link.
 
Whatever approach you take to this year’s Field Day, keep up to date
with the current guidelines issued by local and state health agencies
that may impact your proposed operation.
 
ARRL invites your stories about the interesting and creative ways
you’re planning to use to adapt your Field Day operation. Share these
on the ARRL Field Day Facebook page.
 
For the latest news and updates, visit the Field Day webpage. —
 
 Thanks to ARRL Contest Program Manager Paul Bourque, N1SFE
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
ARRL Central Division
Director: Kermit A Carlson, W9XA
w9xa@...
 

 



Re: N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

Joe WB9SBD
 

I am sorry for continuing this somewhat off topic mess.

But a thought just came to my head. My First Field Day was in 1976.

I know in a traditional like Sweepstakes, how we did paper logs and that Dupe sheet.

How did we do Dupes in those days? For Field Day?

Joe WB9SBD

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On 4/28/2020 4:27 PM, Ted Bryant wrote:

Sorry, Al, you are missing the point.  Distributed or co-located, all the QSOs are made in the traditional way with RF.  When the stations are co-located, the logging computers (instead of paper and pencil) are connected through a local network (LAN).  When “distributed”, the computers are networked through a Wide Area Network (WAN), i.e., the “internet”.  Computer to computer communication is essentially the same in either case, just the distance has changed.

 

I’m sure you know all this but I can’t understand why you would object to how the logging computers communicate with each other.

 

But all this aside, the real point I was making is the irony of the fact that ARRL was saying that we should “adapt” while refusing a request to do just that. And it has nothing to do with whether it’s a contest or not.

 

73, Ted W4NZ

 

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of AB2ZY
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

I dunno, but Field Day is supposed to be a simulation (perhaps stuck in a 1950s paradigm, but a simulation nonetheless) of using amateur radio to supplement or replace conventional communications infrastructure. So in the 21st century if you have access to a working Internet you have no need for supplemental wireless communications. If you’re going to have people sit home and communicate with radio equipment via the internet, then just conduct the exercise over the internet and dispense with the radios!  I think the ARRL is doing the right thing here. FD ain’t a contest!

 

Al

AB2ZY

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

“…we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020…”

 

“"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020 ….… the theme of adapting is apropos.”

 

HUH?

73, Ted W4NZ

 

From: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io [mailto:N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry K8UT
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:45 AM
To: N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io
Cc: wa8efk@...; Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ
Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

Considering N1MM+'s recent VPN improvements - and the COVID-19 lockdowns - we wrote to the ARRL Contest Committee folks suggesting that they adapt to the current situation by including a "distributed multi-op" category for Field Day 2020.

 

The response:

"The ARRL Board’s Programs & Services Committee has upheld the current Field Day posture of no changes for 2020. Recognizing that Field Day is not a contest, but instead is an operating exercise, the theme of adapting is apropos."

 

As other contests have begun allowing distributed multi-op, we have heard from clubs that intend to operate Field Day in a similar distributed multi-op architecture. We advise any club that participates using an unsanctioned category to clearly identify their rules violation to the ARRL and in any log submission.

 

-larry (K8UT)

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s@...>

Sent: 2020-04-28 10:15:10

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

not really MM reflector content, but I read that newletter twice, and I dont see where they added a class 1A....

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Joe WB9SBD" <nss@...>

Sent: 4/28/2020 10:08:15 AM

Subject: Re: [N1MM+] N1MM+ Distributed Multi Op LAN+WAN

 

My first about it came like this,

Dear Central Division Member -
 
        There have been many suggestions forchanges to the rules for
Field Day-2020 on account of the present social distancing requirements.
Below is today's message from the ARRL  HQ's Contest Manager,  Paul
Bourque,  N1SFE that explains a change to the listing of club names for
Field Day  participants . ALL participants will have that participant's
club name associated with their listing.
 
         73, Kermit Carlson W9XA
 
details followed,,
 
>From the ARRL NEWS;
 
04/22/2020
 
This year, ARRL Field Day promises to be a unique iteration of this
annual event, with many individuals and groups coming up with new and
interesting ways to adjust their approach. As an event, Field Day is
structured to be versatile and can be adapted for any situation.
 
Many groups have asked how they can adjust their Field Day planning to
address social-distancing guidelines that may be in effect in many areas
of the country, as gathering at their traditional Field Day site may not
be feasible or safe. Instead of participating in a group event this
year, consider operating as a Class B, C, D, or E station, utilizing
your own call sign.
 
ARRL will include club names for all participating stations in the
published results, so the efforts of your club’s members can be
acknowledged. While we will not publish an aggregate club score, seeing
the name of your club associated with various individual member’s
results is certainly a way to highlight your club’s activity.
 
Myriad opportunities are possible in this year’s Field Day setting.
These are just a couple.
 
    Consider having an intra-club competition among members, seeing who
can make the most contacts during the event. You can award prizes or
distribute certificates at a club meeting. This can be a fun way to
bolster the activities of individual club members, even though they
cannot all gather together at the same location this year.
    Set up a Field Day Challenge with rival clubs in neighboring
communities. See how many members of each club get on the air from their
own stations and participate in the event. In addition to “bragging
rights,” perhaps certificates to the top-scoring individual entries in
each category can be presented as part of this inter-club camaraderie.
 
One club is planning to conduct its Field Day as a 4A club group, with
participants spaced to comply with social distancing guidelines within
the required 1,000-foot diameter circle and operating individual
stations. This club also plans to set up a “Get on the Air” (GOTA)
station. The club’s plan is to have the GOTA coach at the Field Day
site, while GOTA operators participate via remote link.
 
Another club is planning to set up a remote-controlled station at its
usual Field Day site, with club members taking turns controlling the
station from their homes. The club is developing a schedule that
outlines when each member of the club will be at the helm via the remote
link.
 
Whatever approach you take to this year’s Field Day, keep up to date
with the current guidelines issued by local and state health agencies
that may impact your proposed operation.
 
ARRL invites your stories about the interesting and creative ways
you’re planning to use to adapt your Field Day operation. Share these
on the ARRL Field Day Facebook page.
 
For the latest news and updates, visit the Field Day webpage. —
 
 Thanks to ARRL Contest Program Manager Paul Bourque, N1SFE
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
ARRL Central Division
Director: Kermit A Carlson, W9XA
w9xa@...