Re: so2r and cabrillo problem

Oguzhan Kayhan
 

My problem was to see all qsos on station 0.
Anyway
Thank you


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:07 AM Tom Wagner (N1MM) <n1mmtomwagner@...> wrote:
SO2R has nothing to do with this discussion.

You are operating in a multi-op one transmitter class, since you have
not mentioned CQWW, I will ignore its multiplier rule.

You asserted that the two operators will NOT be operating at the same time.

Here is what to do:

Turn on networking and set up for multi-1.

All QSOs will show as station 0 in the Cabrillo.

You may operate SO2R, but watch your band changes. Most/All contests
have limits on band changes.

This discussion is closed.

Tom - N1MM

On 11/8/2019 3:57 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
> Hello Jamie,
>  Sorry but So2R is within the rules of Multi Single.  So2R does not
> mean you can CQ on both bands.. it means just two radio and one
> operator.. which is my case..(but additional operators will also use
> the same station during contest but not at the same time)
> Just with strict rules. Yes you can not call cq on another band.. But
> you can search for  Multipliers as you already indicated while sending
> cq on the main band..And plus, using so2r controllers also prevents to
> transmit two radios at the same time (for ex while one is sending cq,
> other is making qso for multiplier) which is also against the rules..
> Infact, when using two computers, I can make qso while calling cq on
> other band.. which makes two radios on the air at the same time.. and
> against the rules..
>
> So, if N1MM can handle different so2r modes with single-op or multi
> with different computers.. It is not much different to make this
> checks if it is running in Multi Single category and with two radio
> setup on same computer..
> Just setting one radio on run, other is multi will be sufficient..
> Only needed additions will be checking 10 min rules on band
> changes(which is supported on multi computer) , qso only with
> multipliers( which is supported on two computer setup) and adding the
> 0-1 radio indicators  to the cabrillo..
> As I wrote, So2R controllers does not support two computer setup.. Or
> if it does, please let me know how ...
>
> Yes there is a workaround to use SO2R controller with two computer
> setup if I have to as I already explained on my previous emails, But
> time consuming and distracting..But I think it is worth to think about
> to make this addition which is not against contest rules..
>
>
> Just please think about it...
>
> Regards..
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 9:41 PM Jamie WW3S <ww3s@...
> <mailto:ww3s@...>> wrote:
>
>     Because SO2R is not within the multi single rules.....in ms you
>     cannot cq on 2 bands at one time, SO2R you can....in mult single
>     you can only work multipliers on the second radio, SO2R you can
>     work anyone....mult single is much more restricted than SO2R. In
>     mult single there are band change rules, SO2R, none....to operate
>     within the rules of mult single, track band changes, software
>     lockouts, etc, it requires each station to be networked with its
>     own pc....
>
>
>>     On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan
>>     <oguzhan@... <mailto:oguzhan@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>     Hello Tom
>>     There is a category as multione as you know
>>     Multiple ops single radio. Only one operator active at a time but
>>     multiple operators can be active in 48 hours in different times
>>
>>     I am aware it is not supported with so2r setup and wanna learn
>>     the reason behind it.
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>
>>     8 Kas 2019 Cum 20:20 tarihinde Tom Wagner (N1MM)
>>     <n1mmtomwagner@... <mailto:n1mmtomwagner@...>> şunu
>>     yazdı:
>>
>>         You want to enter a multiple operator class with a single
>>         operator.  You
>>         want to use a single computer in SO2R.
>>
>>         That is not supported.
>>
>>         Tom - N1MM
>>
>>         On 11/8/2019 12:17 PM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         > Hello Rich
>>         > I wrote a few times in my mail that the problem is on
>>         multi-one( or
>>         > multi-single as you call) . I don't know how will I make it
>>         more
>>         > clear. Maybe underline it? Or bold?
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > I even draw to give a better example what is the problem
>>         with this on
>>         > single operator using two computers with so2r setup with
>>         multione
>>         > operation
>>         >
>>         > Single op doesn't need any change.
>>         > Multi-multi also easy which is expected to use two
>>         different computers.
>>         >
>>         > What is not clear is the reason of using two computers with
>>         single
>>         > operator in a multi-one category. It is not %100 compatible
>>         to use
>>         > with so2r controller as I explained.
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Please read my previous email again
>>         >
>>         > Regards
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Regards
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > 8 Kas 2019 Cum 16:38 tarihinde ve3ki <ve3iay@...
>>         <mailto:ve3iay@...>
>>         > <mailto:ve3iay@... <mailto:ve3iay@...>>> şunu
>>         yazdı:
>>         >
>>         >     What entry class do you want to enter the contest in?
>>         >
>>         >     If it is as a Single Operator, or Single Operator
>>         Assisted, then
>>         >     the rules *do not require* the radio number to be
>>         indicated in the
>>         >     Cabrillo file for these entry classes. There are
>>         thousands of
>>         >     contesters using N1MM+, and many of them are using two
>>         radios in
>>         >     SO2R with a single computer. None of them has ever had
>>         a problem
>>         >     because their Cabrillo file did not indicate the radio
>>         number. You
>>         >     can inspect the public logs at the CQ WW web site; it
>>         is easy to
>>         >     find single-operator logs that do not have radio
>>         numbers indicated
>>         >     in the Cabrillo file although they were obviously doing
>>         SO2R
>>         >     (moving back and forth between bands for consecutive QSOs).
>>         >
>>         >     The rules only require the radio number to be indicated
>>         in the
>>         >     Multi-Single and Multi-Two entry classes. These are
>>         multi-operator
>>         >     classes, meaning there is more than one person
>>         operating. There
>>         >     are other differences in the rules: the two radios may
>>         transmit
>>         >     simultaneously in multi-operator classes, which is not
>>         allowed in
>>         >     SO2R; there are band change limits in multi-operator
>>         classes, but
>>         >     not in single-operator classes; and in CQ WW
>>         Multi-Single, unlike
>>         >     SO2R the second radio can only work new multipliers and
>>         cannot
>>         >     call CQ. The program supports all of these rules
>>         differences, but
>>         >     this requires a separate computer for each radio, which
>>         is quite
>>         >     different from a single operator doing SO2R.
>>         >
>>         >     73,
>>         >     Rich VE3KI
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >     On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 02:26 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         >
>>         >         Hello Steve and other developers ,
>>         >         I have been playing with N1MM with two computers to
>>         test the
>>         >         SO2R skills for multi-one operation. There is no
>>         problem with
>>         >         single or multi-multi usage..
>>         >         As we already discussed on cqww support mails about
>>         this,
>>         >         Cabrillo must indicate if the radio 0(run) or radio
>>         1(multi)
>>         >         on the log.
>>         >         But as you mentioned, this only happens if I use
>>         SO2R on
>>         >         multiple computers which is actually designed for
>>         the needs of
>>         >         multi-operators (Or RTTY as explained on N1MM webpage)
>>         >         As it is also written on N1MM website,  using two
>>         computers
>>         >         takes away most of the advantage on SO2R operation for
>>         >         multi-one usage..
>>         >         And indicates this also:
>>         >         *Users Please Note*
>>         >         Please be aware that the developers will not
>>         implement Feature
>>         >         Requests or respond to Bug Requests that result from
>>         >         2-computer SO2R’s not conforming to single-computer
>>         SO2R
>>         >         expectations
>>         >         During my tests, to be able to run SO2R on first
>>         computer I
>>         >         needed to define two radios. One is actual, other
>>         is dummy.
>>         >         Actual radio is connected via serial for frequency
>>         control.
>>         >         SO2R device is connected also via USB (Serial)
>>         >         That was a must to switch RX on two ports of the SO2R
>>         >         controller between two radios..And automatic
>>         antenna switching..
>>         >         On second Computer only single radio is connected
>>         via serial.
>>         >         And radio audio /ptt ports is connected to the SO2R
>>         controller
>>         >         on first computer.
>>         >         image.png
>>         >         So on this circumstance,
>>         >         1st computer starts on Run mode, can read the
>>         frequency of the
>>         >         first  radio , can run CQ on First Radio connected
>>         to itself.
>>         >         And also I can switch the RX window by selecting
>>         the dummy or
>>         >         actual radio , then I type the Multi logs to the other
>>         >         computer with actual frequency, and then return
>>         back to first
>>         >         computer and select actual or dummy radio for
>>         changing rx
>>         >         status by changing focus.
>>         >         Yes.. this way it works.. But.. Don't you think it
>>         is far too
>>         >         complicated to handle during actual contest?
>>         >         SO2R controller has to be connected to single
>>         computer.. And
>>         >         as written on User Note above, Single computer SO2R
>>         has more
>>         >         advantages , and if you want to run SO2R in a
>>         contest you have
>>         >         to use two computers?????
>>         >         Don't you guys think, something is wrong about this?
>>         >         Wİthout thinking of contest logging, on single
>>         computer all
>>         >         functions run great.. Full control on radios and SO2R
>>         >         controllers.. Working fantastic..
>>         >         But just on logging, it can't seperate two radios
>>         as run/multi
>>         >         Regards
>>         >         TA2NC
>>         >
>>         >         On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Steve London
>>         <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>>         >         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >             If you are operating multi-one or multi-two, N1MM+
>>         >             requires that you use
>>         >             separate computers for each radio, and that the
>>         computers
>>         >             be networked together.
>>         >
>>         >             73,
>>         >             Steve, N2IC
>>         >
>>         >             On 11/06/2019 10:52 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         >             > hello steve
>>         >             > Tu for reply..
>>         >             > When I check the cq ww page.. it is written
>>         >             >
>>         >             > *QSO*: /qso-data/
>>         >             > The qso-data format is shown below.
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     --------info sent-------
>>         >             -------info rcvd--------
>>         >             > QSO: freq  mo date  time call          rst exch
>>         >              call          rst exch   t
>>         >             > QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn *************
>>         nnn ******
>>         >             ************* nnn ****** n
>>         >             > QSO:  3799 PH 2000-11-26 0711 N6TW         
>>         59 03
>>         >              JT1Z          59  23     0
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >
>>          000000000111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788
>>         >             >
>>         >
>>          123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
>>         >             >
>>         >             > Note for Column 81 (transmitter number): For the
>>         >             MULTI-ONE and MULTI-TWO
>>         >             > categories, the last column in the log
>>         indicates which
>>         >             transmitter made the QSO.
>>         >             > It must be a 0 or a 1. This column is not
>>         required for
>>         >             other categories.
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             > So, I switched to multi-one...
>>         >             >
>>         >             > I have so2r setup as I mentioned before..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > Made a few dummy qsos more..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > adif (and on screen log program) shows my TX
>>         as radio 1
>>         >             and 2..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > But this time..
>>         >             >
>>         >             > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.8006.0
>>         >             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
>>         59  20
>>         >             EA1AA         59  14     0
>>         >             > QSO: 14000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
>>         59  20
>>         >             AA1AA         59  05     0
>>         >             > QSO:  7000 PH 2019-11-06 1744 TA2NC        
>>         59  20
>>         >             YO2AA         59  20     0
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             > All seem like radio 0
>>         >             >
>>         >             > Does it indicates only the active radio?
>>         >             Should't suppose to show the TX radio
>>         >             > to indicate the multiplier radio?
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Steve London
>>         >             <n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>>         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>
>>         >             > <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>
>>         <mailto:n2ic@... <mailto:n2ic@...>>>> wrote:
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     SO2R entries are not required to have the
>>         radio
>>         >             number in the Cabrillo log.
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     73,
>>         >             >     Steve, N2IC
>>         >             >
>>         >             >     On 11/06/2019 10:22 AM, Oguzhan Kayhan wrote:
>>         >             >      > Hello
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > I am trying to switch to SO2R operations..
>>         >             >      > Last night I made a few tests with an
>>         arduino
>>         >             controller.
>>         >             >      > Device and n1mm seems to connect and used
>>         >             together nice and easy..
>>         >             >      > Made a few dummy qsos to test..
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > But, there seems a problem on cabrillo
>>         export.
>>         >             >      > You can see the two qsos I made for test
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      > One is with radio1 other is radio2
>>         >             >      > mode selected so2r
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > This is cabrillo file generated
>>         >             >      > image.png
>>         >             >      > *_no sign of radio 1-2_*
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > and also on adif export
>>         >             >      > <CALL:6>YA1AAA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>>         >             <TIME_ON:6>171311 <TIME_OFF:6>171311
>>         >             >      > <BAND:3>20M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>>         >             <FREQ:8>14.20000
>>         >             >  <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>>         >             >      > <FREQ_RX:8>14.20000 <MODE:3>SSB
>>         <RST_RCVD:2>59
>>         >             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>>         >             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>21 <STX:2>13
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>1
>>         >             >      > <*APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>1
>>         <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AS
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>*1
>>         >             >      > <APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>>         >  <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>>         >             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>1 <EOR>
>>         >             >      >  <CALL:5>ZS2AA <QSO_DATE:8>20191106
>>         >             <TIME_ON:6>171320 <TIME_OFF:6>171320
>>         >             >      > <BAND:3>40M <STATION_CALLSIGN:5>TA2NC
>>         <FREQ:7>7.00000
>>         >             >  <CONTEST_ID:9>CQ-WW-SSB
>>         >             >      > <FREQ_RX:7>7.00000 <MODE:3>SSB
>>         <RST_RCVD:2>59
>>         >             <RST_SENT:2>59 <TX_PWR:3>100
>>         >             >      > <OPERATOR:5>TA2NC <CQZ:2>38 <STX:2>14
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_POINTS:1>3
>>         >             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIO_NR:1>2
>>         <APP_N1MM_CONTINENT:2>AF
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_RUN1RUN2:1>1
>>         >             >      > *<APP_N1MM_RADIOINTERFACED:1>0
>>         >  <APP_N1MM_ISORIGINAL:4>True
>>         >             >      > <APP_N1MM_NETBIOSNAME:11>GOBRIS-HOME
>>         >             <APP_N1MM_ISRUNQSO:1>0 <EOR>
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      > What am I missing?
>>         >             >      > Contest selected is cq-ww
>>         >             >      > version: 1.0.8006.0
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >      >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >             >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>
>>
>>
>



Join N1MMLoggerPlus@groups.io to automatically receive all group messages.