Re: Tab / Space behaviour on VHF contests

Patrick Herborn

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 09:54:21 +0100
"Les Elliott via Groups.Io" <> wrote:

Hiya Les!

I have just tested B4 and the Locator fills on pressing Tab,
perhaps it is down to how you have formatted your CH file.
OK, I didn't have access to the actual laptop, but given that
TWO people now have pointed out that Tab works, I figured I
needed to have another go!

To this end I downloaded the Full Install, and the latest (16Jul)
update, installed, configured, installed the B4 UDC, copied across
the CH file, pulled it in, enabled History Lookup and tried it here.

This had me scratching my head - *WHY* did it work here, and not
on the laptop ? I didn't do anything "different" during the install,
and both are on the 16Jul release..... I started playing around and
I THINK I have found the cause :)

*AT FIRST* I thought it was to do with the Check - ie if you type
in the full Callsign then it fills the Locator when you Tab from
the Callsign, but NOT if the Callsign was completed from a partial
by the Check window, however a subsequent test showed that even
a Check completed callsign DOES work!

Further tinkering has now narrowed it down and it is repeatable,
and perhaps also "expected".... IF there is ANYTHING left in the
SntRpt field at all, then a Tab WILL NOT auto-fill the Locator,
*BUT SPACE WILL* [so long as the Locator field doesn't already
contain something].

It is interesting to compare Tab and Space behaviour : If there
is something in SntRpt then Tab will not overwrite it with 59
and place you between the 5 and 9. If you Tab on then it will
NOT fill *EMPTY* RcvRpt and Locator fields with 59 and the
locator. Space on the other hand will leave the SntRpt alone,
but it WILL auto-fill the *EMPTY* RcvRpt and Locator fields.
Any field that already has something in it is left alone.

The Tab behaviour is thus heavily dependant on the SnrRpt
field - if it is empty then it fills SntRpt, RcvRpt and
Locator, but if it is not empty then it doesn't fill ANY
of those, even if they are empty to start with, whereas
Space ALWAYS fills non-empty fields.

The quick moral of the story is - always WIPE if you change
your mind about an entry. Beyond that I don't know if it
would be sensible for Tab to fill in EMPTY SntRpt and Locator
fields (as it would if SntRpt was empty) or to leave it
the way it is ?

Many thanks to all those who have responded, especially those
who said it was working for them since that made me start
digging somewhat deeper and figure out why it wasn't working
here :) Hopefully this wasn't an RTFM fail and others can
benefit from my observations.

Les, G4OGB

Pat. (M0MGO)

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Herborn
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 3:33 PM
Subject: [N1MM+] Tab / Space behaviour on VHF contests

Good afternoon all!

This question / feature request pertains to the action of Tab and Space
when in a VHF contest. Space is most useful insofar as it will pre-fill
the locator information if pressed in the Callsign field (if using
history lookup), BUT in doing so it jumps directly to the received
serial box, pre-filling the sent and received reports with 59.

This behaviour is fine on HF contests, but we tend to send real signal
reports, which means one then has to go back to correct the pre-filled
signal reports. Occasionally one might have to correct the locator
for a /P but that's just life.

One way of avoiding this is to use the Tab key - this steps through
the fields and permits entry of RS(T) and serial, but then it doesn't
pre-fill the locator. Kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It would be useful to have an option for Space (or some other key)
to pre-fill the locator only, and jump to the relevant next
field (as discussed below).

An additional improvement might be to change the Tab order of the
fields - again this is related to the use of real signal reports.
The default behaviour is to go from the callsign to the sent
signal report - this is fine in Run mode where you just have
to give the best report you can based on receiving just a callsign,
but in S&P you get your report from the Run station, which
allows a better determination of an accurate signal report, ergo
the sent report tends to get filled in last. It would be helpful
to have an option to change the tab (or space or other key) order to
Callsign->RxRST->RxSn->Loc->SntRST - perhaps tracking Run/S&P state.

These things may of course already be possible - I just haven't found a
way of doing it - in which case I should be grateful for any hints /
tips / instructions.

Best regards,

Pat (M0MGO).

Patrick Herborn <pat@...>

Patrick Herborn <pat@...>

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