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Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

M7AOE Ray
 

​Years ago BBC World service was transmitted from Crowborough with the transmission powerful enough to interfere with most electrical appliances in the town. However the frequency employed was too low to effect living organisms and no associated health problems were reported. As radio hams use a similar frequency I can't see that our transmissions would ever effect the human body.


From: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io> on behalf of G1TDL Mike <mike@...>
Sent: 03 March 2021 20:35
To: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Msars] Ofcom's EMF consultation
 
Just keep calm and carry on......

/\/\ike
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

On 3 Mar 2021, at 20:06, G4UDU Phil <pgodbold@...> wrote:

If anyone would like some “Light Reading” - here is the full documentation ………


Phil G4UDU




On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:45, G1TDL Mike <mike@...> wrote:

It seems that Ofcom can email me the new conditions, but couldn’t email me the consultation document. 

/\/\ike G1tdl
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

On 3 Mar 2021, at 13:07, G8JBJ John <john.berry@...> wrote:

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.


It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

73s, 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ





Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

G1TDL Mike
 

Just keep calm and carry on......

/\/\ike
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

On 3 Mar 2021, at 20:06, G4UDU Phil <pgodbold@...> wrote:

If anyone would like some “Light Reading” - here is the full documentation ………


Phil G4UDU




On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:45, G1TDL Mike <mike@...> wrote:

It seems that Ofcom can email me the new conditions, but couldn’t email me the consultation document. 

/\/\ike G1tdl
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

On 3 Mar 2021, at 13:07, G8JBJ John <john.berry@...> wrote:

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.


It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

73s, 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ





RSGB Spreadsheet

G4UDU Phil
 

If you use this RSGB link - makes it easy to do an assessment



Phil G4UDU





Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

G4UDU Phil
 

If anyone would like some “Light Reading” - here is the full documentation ………


Phil G4UDU




On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:45, G1TDL Mike <mike@...> wrote:

It seems that Ofcom can email me the new conditions, but couldn’t email me the consultation document. 

/\/\ike G1tdl
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

On 3 Mar 2021, at 13:07, G8JBJ John <john.berry@...> wrote:

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.


It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

73s, 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ





Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

G1TDL Mike
 

It seems that Ofcom can email me the new conditions, but couldn’t email me the consultation document. 

/\/\ike G1tdl
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

On 3 Mar 2021, at 13:07, G8JBJ John <john.berry@...> wrote:

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.


It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

73s, 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ



Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

G3WYN Ken
 

GA John. Well it seems that the panic may well be over. Using their calculator and assuming that I'm running 400W on 3.740 Mhz and 14,345 Mhz from my doublet and delta loop the separtion distances look like 3.9 and 6.38m .If I use the average power method of calculation these distances reduce to 1.95 and 3.19m and no one is getting their head within these distances from either of my antennas. Meantime I'm going to ignore all this until the RSGB or Ofcom write to me telling me I'm  doing something wrong. 73 es take care,  Ken

On 03/03/2021 13:07, G8JBJ John wrote:
Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.


It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

73s, 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ


Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

G8JBJ John
 

And very timely, I just got the Ofcom licence update email about the EMF change.

John


 

John Berry

Director, TimelessTime Ltd
Mob. 07553 250 919


TimelessTime Ltd
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ
Tel: 01450 372 274
Kingfisher House, Hurstwood Grange, Haywards Heath, West Sussex, RH17 8QX
Tel. 01450 372 274
Twitter: @TimelessTimeLtd



On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 14:34, M0TOT Alex via groups.io <panda.henderson=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

To John GM8JBJ,

 

Yes, 7 meters for 500 Watts. For us lesser mortals, who operate at only 100 Watts the ‘exclusion-zone’ appears to be 3 meters. The latter distance for my household  is fine, except for the  pigeons and  our chimney sweep as the antennas are on top of the roof!

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

Regards

 

Alex. M0tot

 

From: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io> On Behalf Of G8JBJ John
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 1:08 PM
To: Msars@groups.io
Subject: [Msars] Ofcom's EMF consultation

 

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

 

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

 

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.

 

 

It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

 

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

 

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

 

73s, 

 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919

Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ

 


Re: Ofcom's EMF consultation

M0TOT Alex
 

To John GM8JBJ,

 

Yes, 7 meters for 500 Watts. For us lesser mortals, who operate at only 100 Watts the ‘exclusion-zone’ appears to be 3 meters. The latter distance for my household  is fine, except for the  pigeons and  our chimney sweep as the antennas are on top of the roof!

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

Regards

 

Alex. M0tot

 

From: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io> On Behalf Of G8JBJ John
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 1:08 PM
To: Msars@groups.io
Subject: [Msars] Ofcom's EMF consultation

 

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

 

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

 

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.

 

 

It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

 

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

 

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

 

73s, 

 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919

Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ

 


Ofcom's EMF consultation

G8JBJ John
 

Phil, Merv, you beat me to it. Sending now anyway...

Hi, I just wondered if anyone has read the consultation and responses? I was prompted by the article in this month's RadCom.

The consultation responses and a statement are at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/limiting-exposure-to-emf. I notice this is dated October 2020, and I haven't looked for anything more recent.


It seems generally all benign - though I do need to give it a second read and follow the RadCom series. I guess RSGB expect that most of us will be able to compare our installations with their standard configurations (Stage 1 in the article), and tick the box.

If I'm interpreting right, 500 Watts at HF needs a safety distance of 7 metres from the antenna. The important point from the consultation is that Ofcom has rejected the argument that family can be excluded since they can be told not to go close. Interesting seeing the arguments. 

Anyway, no issue at this QTH, but I do wonder what would have happened in Newick, where my neighbours would have come routinely within 7m of the ends of the doublet. I'm sure I've contributed on occasion to their barbecue cooking. Here, I've already warned Sue not to go into the bottom 2m of the polytunnel!!

What does anyone else think? Anyone with problems complying? 

73s, 

John GM8JBJ


 

John Berry


Mob. 07553 250 919
Willowburn, Kirkton, Hawick, Scottish Borders, TD9 8QJ



Ofcom

G4UDU Phil
 


Ofcoms new EMF clause to be added to Amateur Radio Licenses by 18th May

M0WVE Merv
 


Auction

G1TDL Mike
 


Re: Broadcast stations.

G8KMP Mike
 

Hi Mike,

What a great find!

Been listening to several stations this evening expecially Radio Caroline.

Best Wishes

Mike  G8KMP

On 24 February 2021 at 19:59 Mike Mundy <mike@...> wrote:


Very interesting link. I have downloaded the app.


Been listening to stations in Nashville this afternoon. 

So easy, just touch the green spot. As it is based on Google maps you can zoom in down to street level. A drop down list on the left reveals all stations in any city.

Even has Mid Downs radio from Princess Royal and Burgess hill community radio on it. 


/\/\ikeG1TDL
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ


 


--
Mike G1TDL/G0GNV


 


Broadcast stations.

Mike Mundy
 


Very interesting link. I have downloaded the app.


Been listening to stations in Nashville this afternoon. 

So easy, just touch the green spot. As it is based on Google maps you can zoom in down to street level. A drop down list on the left reveals all stations in any city.

Even has Mid Downs radio from Princess Royal and Burgess hill community radio on it. 


/\/\ikeG1TDL
The Homestead
Burgess Hill
RH15 0RQ

--
Mike G1TDL/G0GNV


Re: Website

M0XYF Berni
 

Hi Ken.

Yes, it's still in the same place: https://msars.org.uk

You may have to reload the page, possibly more than once, or even restart your browser to clear your cache. If you still can't get it to come up, try rebooting your pc/laptop and internet router.

73's

Berni

On 21/02/2021 18:03, G3WYN Ken via groups.io wrote:
OK Bernie, thanks. Now, where is it to view. It's not on the (old) MSARS website which seems to have been taken down which means that all the overseas and non members that used to look at our Newsletters won't be able to do so until they(and me) know where to look? 73, Ken

On 21/02/2021 17:45, M0XYF Berni wrote:
OK, the new website is live. Knock yourselves out.

Big thanks to Tony who granted me use of all the existing photos, and to the guy who runs the server (I won't name him in case he doesn't want to be named) but many of you will know who I'm talking about. He's been very supportive. Thanks to Ken also who sent me a couple of bits to publish.

I'm pooped, so will be taking a break for a week or two. I've still got a few items to migrate over and then I'll be back hassling you big-time for all the photos and articles I've been promised but haven't yet received  :)

If you can't find something from the old website on the new one, use the excellent 'search' function, top right.

Oh, and by the way... just in case some of you haven't worked it out yet, every email you send via Groups.IO is displayed on that website for everyone to see. That means EVERYONE. Furthermore, that 'data' - your email - is now 'ported' back to our own website. Want to say something controversial or negative via email? Be prepared to read it on the MSARS website nanoseconds later.

Just sayin'!

Berni M0XYF








Re: Website

G3WYN Ken
 

OK Bernie, thanks. Now, where is it to view. It's not on the (old) MSARS website which seems to have been taken down which means that all the overseas and non members that used to look at our Newsletters won't be able to do so until they(and me) know where to look? 73, Ken

On 21/02/2021 17:45, M0XYF Berni wrote:
OK, the new website is live. Knock yourselves out.

Big thanks to Tony who granted me use of all the existing photos, and to the guy who runs the server (I won't name him in case he doesn't want to be named) but many of you will know who I'm talking about. He's been very supportive. Thanks to Ken also who sent me a couple of bits to publish.

I'm pooped, so will be taking a break for a week or two. I've still got a few items to migrate over and then I'll be back hassling you big-time for all the photos and articles I've been promised but haven't yet received  :)

If you can't find something from the old website on the new one, use the excellent 'search' function, top right.

Oh, and by the way... just in case some of you haven't worked it out yet, every email you send via Groups.IO is displayed on that website for everyone to see. That means EVERYONE. Furthermore, that 'data' - your email - is now 'ported' back to our own website. Want to say something controversial or negative via email? Be prepared to read it on the MSARS website nanoseconds later.

Just sayin'!

Berni M0XYF





Website

M0XYF Berni
 

OK, the new website is live. Knock yourselves out.

Big thanks to Tony who granted me use of all the existing photos, and to the guy who runs the server (I won't name him in case he doesn't want to be named) but many of you will know who I'm talking about. He's been very supportive. Thanks to Ken also who sent me a couple of bits to publish.

I'm pooped, so will be taking a break for a week or two. I've still got a few items to migrate over and then I'll be back hassling you big-time for all the photos and articles I've been promised but haven't yet received  :)

If you can't find something from the old website on the new one, use the excellent 'search' function, top right.

Oh, and by the way... just in case some of you haven't worked it out yet, every email you send via Groups.IO is displayed on that website for everyone to see. That means EVERYONE. Furthermore, that 'data' - your email - is now 'ported' back to our own website. Want to say something controversial or negative via email? Be prepared to read it on the MSARS website nanoseconds later.

Just sayin'!

Berni M0XYF


Breaking news from the RSGB!

M0XYF Berni
 

The RSGB released a draft syllabus today (Wednesday the 17th of February 2021) for a brand new type of exam – “Direct to Full”. The aim is that, just like under the last few years of the RAE, newcomers will be able to get their Full licence with just a single exam session.


Re: Clutter - IMPORTANT

M0XYF Berni
 

OK, thanks. I just wanted to check that you meant the Groups.io website.


I've written this reply not just to you Tony, as I know you understand this, but for everyone else's benefit.


There is a massive storage limit on Groups.io - I believe that it's 1 Gigabyte, and that's only for attachments and databases (there is no limit on message content itself at all) - and so there is no physical problem in terms of storage space.


Groups.io structures message presentation in reverse chronological order, so the latest and most relevant 'posts' or messages are at the top and easy to find. I understand that people might find the older messages a bit of a distraction and even untidy, but it's just how Groups.io works.


Here's why I would desperately like for all the messages posted on our Groups.io account to remain in place indefinitely.


We're all encouraged to keep our email storage managed and in check, but this is very different. Search engines LOVE this stuff! SEO 'Search Engine Optimisation' is the first thing I think about when building web stuff, not real people.


It's not only humans that look at websites. It's search engine robots, and these are massively important to us.


Imagine a corner shop and a national supermarket chain. Search using Google for 'chopped tomatoes bargain', or 'value toilet rolls Burgess Hill' or whatever. It will come back with search results for Tesco or one of the other big supermarkets every time. Bob's corner shop is nowhere to be found. Same with amateur radio clubs or anything else you can think of. The trick is to out-SEO the bigger players. Make your corner shop look like a supermarket - at least to Google. That's what I'm going to do with the MSARS website. Tesco might spend hundreds of thousands of pounds a year on SEO, but I work for free!


Having an off-site resource like Groups.io with a keyword-rich high-relevance data reference is gold dust in the SEO fight - and it is a fight. I also plan to inject Groups.io chat directly onto the MSARS website front page via RSS to gain maximum advantage in terms of SEO. Actual people might also find it interesting!


Why the focus on SEO? It's like the old saying about looking after the pennies. SEO in itself is useless, but in turn it will bring interest from people interested in radio, and that's really what we want.


So PLEASE can everybody leave their posts on Groups.io, and post even more stuff if you can. It will help MSARS grow and thrive.


Thanks!


Berni M0XYF


P.S. Can I remind those members that offered me photos and other content for the website to forward them to me as soon as you can, as I'm finalising the website for a launch hopefully next week.


73's



On 17/02/2021 10:24, G3XQM Tony wrote:
H Berni,

There are currently 43 Msars emails on the website most of which seem to be stagnant. Thought it would be good for a clean up - that's all.   


From: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io> on behalf of M0XYF Berni <msars@...>
Sent: 16 February 2021 19:42
To: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Msars] Clutter
 

Hi Tony.


Which website do you mean?

Do you mind me asking why you're asking?


Thanks


Berni M0XYF


On 16/02/2021 19:13, G3XQM Tony wrote:
Dear Members,

To make space on this website, please delete any items that you feel have expired.

Kind regards

Tony G3XQM 


Re: Clutter

G1DVU Martin
 

Hi,
 
I am also confused, which website ??
 
Some of us may not say a lot but we are neither stagnant or Clutter but still appreciate the information from the club.
 
Martin G1DVU / M0BMD
 
 

From: G3XQM Tony
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 10:24 AM
To: Msars@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Msars] Clutter
 
H Berni,
 
There are currently 43 Msars emails on the website most of which seem to be stagnant. Thought it would be good for a clean up - that's all.  
 

From: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io> on behalf of M0XYF Berni <msars@...>
Sent: 16 February 2021 19:42
To: Msars@groups.io <Msars@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Msars] Clutter
 

Hi Tony.

 

Which website do you mean?

Do you mind me asking why you're asking?

 

Thanks

 

Berni M0XYF

 

On 16/02/2021 19:13, G3XQM Tony wrote:
Dear Members,
 
To make space on this website, please delete any items that you feel have expired.
 
Kind regards
 
Tony G3XQM

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