Setup help please


johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 04-10-03 16:58:54 GMT Daylight Time,
douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk writes:

I think Ian's point is a fair one. Although this card gets a tremendous
write up it is extremely cheap by comparison with others. I would not like
to have to replace a full HRIT or LRIT receiver but this card is less than
most cheap graphics cards.... not that I don't hope it will last for many
years.

Regards
Douglas.
Douglas,

Indeed.
Who would have thought 18 months ago events would have turned out, from a
cost,
logistics and 'technical' sense, from the sublime to the ridiculous - or
rather that
should be the other way around.

And, I have several different makes of satellite TV receivers that run very
hot.

Regards,
John.


David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Back in the days when we were running Windows 3.1 I'm sure I read
an article ....

This is getting somewhat off-topic....

David


Robert Moore
 

Back in the days when we were running Windows 3.1 I'm sure I read an article
about tappping into a temperature sensor that was found inside some PCs so that
you could have a bleep (or indeed a dog-cough) when the card reached a certain
temperature - or maybe you could just arrange to have the power switched off
... I forget which now. But surely most PCs will have some kind of heat sensor
- EC regulations surely cover this as a safety measure?
Does anyone have time to search the web on this one?

Robert



Quoting Douglas Deans <douglas@dsdeans.freeserve.co.uk>:


Now a question for everyone else: what happens if the card gets too
hot - how do you detect this?

Cheers,
David
The dog's coughing when you get back home !!

Bur seriously it is a fair point. And what is too hot. I know what my
SKY box feels like.
I think Ian's point is a fair one. Although this card gets a tremendous
write up it is extremely cheap by comparison with others. I would not like
to have to replace a full HRIT or LRIT receiver but this card is less than
most cheap graphics cards.... not that I don't hope it will last for many
years.

Regards
Douglas.




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Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

Now a question for everyone else: what happens if the card gets too
hot - how do you detect this?

Cheers,
David
The dog's coughing when you get back home !!

Bur seriously it is a fair point. And what is too hot. I know what my
SKY box feels like.
I think Ian's point is a fair one. Although this card gets a tremendous
write up it is extremely cheap by comparison with others. I would not like
to have to replace a full HRIT or LRIT receiver but this card is less than
most cheap graphics cards.... not that I don't hope it will last for many
years.

Regards
Douglas.


Robert Moore
 

John, as an inexpert person in this field I just stuck my card in the available
slot that was further from any other (I think there is one vacant space between
the card and next). I had a terrible time getting started mainly because I was
hopeless at IP addresses and new to networking (and I had a stupid firewall
which I replaced). But once up and running I left the PC on the floor in a
corner and it has now been running for ... it sems like forever now ... with no
overheating, no hitches, 24 hours a day seven days a week and right through the
hot weather spell.
These comments may not be helpful but I hope they are reassuring!
Robert

Quoting johnrigsec@aol.com:

In a message dated 01-10-03 19:35:24 GMT Daylight Time,
david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk writes:

Oh, and moving the card is a sure way of loosing an afternoon in
subsequent re-configuration....something else that should be in the
FAQ!

Cheers,
David
David and All,

For those of us YET to install our SkyStar cards (never mind purchase the
new
computer to put it in) could somebody please give chapter and verse as to
just
where the SkyStar card should (preferably) be installed - (with all this
user
experience) - despite 'overheating' and what installation instructions
state?

As you say, more info for the FAQ's document.

Regards,
John.






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Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

John,

To be brutally honest I really don't think it matters that much. What is
pobably more important is avoiding having to move the card.

I stuck mine into the only available slot left in my 1200 Athlon without the
slightest problem and it is working fine. Yes there is a bit of heat but no
more than you get on a normal digital satellite receiver. If it packs up
after a year I'll get another one -- I will have had my monies worth as many
other cards available are 3 times its price.

Regards

Ian


David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

For those of us YET to install our SkyStar cards (never mind
purchase the new
computer to put it in) could somebody please give chapter and
verse as to
just
where the SkyStar card should (preferably) be installed - (with
all this user
experience) - despite 'overheating' and what installation
instructions state?

My advice - not chapter and verse, please note - is:

- locate a PCI slot with no card on either side of it

- remove the back panel blanking plates from the adjacent empty
slots to try and improve the air flow over the DVB card

- install the card

That worked for me - if your computer is at all "hot" because of hot
hard disks, overclocked CPU, supa-dupa graphics card etc. - you may
need added cooling.

Now a question for everyone else: what happens if the card gets too
hot - how do you detect this?

Cheers,
David


johnrigsec@...
 

In a message dated 01-10-03 19:35:24 GMT Daylight Time,
david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk writes:

Oh, and moving the card is a sure way of loosing an afternoon in
subsequent re-configuration....something else that should be in the
FAQ!

Cheers,
David
David and All,

For those of us YET to install our SkyStar cards (never mind purchase the new
computer to put it in) could somebody please give chapter and verse as to
just
where the SkyStar card should (preferably) be installed - (with all this user
experience) - despite 'overheating' and what installation instructions state?

As you say, more info for the FAQ's document.

Regards,
John.


a_van_belle
 

Ian wrote:
.... However there are people who are using the original Tellique software that don't have the TV problem which does suggest that OS or set-up may play a part.
.....

You're right Ian, installing an MSG system basically comprimiss 3 steps:
1 Installing the Skystar 2 driver ( Skynet.inf )
2 Installing the setup4PC and additional tools (like TV4PC)
3 Installing the tellique client.

The first released (T-Systems Eumecast) CDROM does step 1 and 2 but does not install TV4PC. And if you already installed from the original Skystar CDROM, this was removed before.

I did step 1 and 2 from the skystar CDROM and only added the tellique client from the T-systems CDROM.
This offers te possibility to do TV receive and MSG. But you have to set data services, PID's and so on manually, as described in EUM TD15.
And in some occasions I had problems switching back to MSG reception.
This is because 3 other dataservices are predefined too ( SatATonce, EOL and T-DSL). You can prevent this by removing these services, so after TV receive you always default to Eumetcast Data service.

If you do steps 1 to 3 from the T-systems supplied CDROM, the correct dataservice is predefined automatically. But PID's have to be added manually.

I don't have the Eumetsat supplied CDROM , but based on the messages I assume they improved the way that Tellique is installed and may have added TV4PC.

I did compare the Skystar 4.2.2 CDROM with the 4.2.2b, only minor differences, only solving the Mediaplayer9 on XP systems problem.
My T-systems Eumetcast CDROm uses the same drivers as Skystar 4.2.2


So the possibilities are present in all hardware versions (Skystar2 rev1.3 and 2.6B), and on every OS, but the order in which you install is important.

Just a remark for W98/ME users, if you miss more segments (compared to others), check your recv.log in the Tellique folder. Look for the word "buffer" .
This OS has a problem with a receive buffer. The buffer is defined too small and I have not seen any solution to enlarge this buffer under W98/ME.



Greetings,
Arne van Belle




With modern computers. OS and the complexities of the various set-ups people
have, trying to get to the root of any problem is probably near impossible.
All part of the fun of the hobby !!

Regards

Ian


Douglas Deans <douglas@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian S Deans" <ian@isdeans.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Re: Setup help please


Dave,

Thanks for the reply.

I do think though that the issue about TV ceasing after the installation
of
the Tellique software is an interesting one. If as you say the early
Tellique software appeared designed to do this one would assume that
everyone who had installed this software would have the problem having
presumably used the TV to set-up the dish. However there are people who
are
using the original Tellique software that don't have the TV problem which
does suggest that OS or set-up may play a part.
With modern computers. OS and the complexities of the various set-ups
people
have, trying to get to the root of any problem is probably near
impossible.
All part of the fun of the hobby !!

Regards

Ian

I was up and running with Tellique before MSG-1 data had commenced, using it
for the EARS service.
I have to agree, that I have never had any problem viewing TV. (not that I
do it much). I am pretty certain this is down to installation methods. I
simply followed the Tellique instructions to a 'T' if you excuse the play on
words and symbols !
In addition, later on when MSG came along I had to download and install the
Tellique upgrade from Client 2.3.0 to 2.3.0a to deal with the larger
bandwidths etc. Again no problem. Using XP Home by the way.
One issue that may be important is that I did not set up a network between
my 2 computers until everything else was done. Not an intentional ploy
just that I ran on one computer until I got the spare down from the loft.
I am very inexperienced with networks but it seems to me that if there is
one thing guaranteed to upset 2 perfectly good computers it is networking
them !... it is an art. Mine works ok although not too sure how.....XP's
network wizard did the job !

Regards
Douglas.


Timestep <Information@...>
 

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I have lost the plot here, but if you moved the card the Tellique software
will have changed the .ini files without telling you. You need to check the
IP there, reset it, then write protect the file.

Dave


paul@...
 

David,

(you did check the IP addresses, didn't you?).
Yes I did, using ipconfig from a dos window. Ipconfig returned three sets of addresses, the DVB card with correct ip address, my network card with correct address, and another one with all details 0 (ip address 0-0-0-0 etc).

I am assuming that the third one is part of the leftover config from when I had the card in a different slot. Does this sound like a reasonable assumption? Unless I can think of a more creative solution today, I am planning to format the drive and start from scratch with Win98 again tomorrow. Hopefully that'll fix it!

Ho hum,

paul


Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Dave,

Thanks for the reply.

I do think though that the issue about TV ceasing after the installation of
the Tellique software is an interesting one. If as you say the early
Tellique software appeared designed to do this one would assume that
everyone who had installed this software would have the problem having
presumably used the TV to set-up the dish. However there are people who are
using the original Tellique software that don't have the TV problem which
does suggest that OS or set-up may play a part.
With modern computers. OS and the complexities of the various set-ups people
have, trying to get to the root of any problem is probably near impossible.
All part of the fun of the hobby !!

Regards

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Martin" <Dave.Martin@manx.net>
To: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:06 AM
Subject: [MSG-1] Re: Setup help please



Ian,
just for info (and hopefully not to prolong the non-MSG thread!) - the
issues a number of early adopters saw re (lack of) TV viewing weren't OS
related.
On a PC which had the Technisat DVB installed and functioning OK for TV
(as some us did whilst waiting for Tellique), as soon as the early Tellique
TQRECV was installed, TV ceased - because the data software installation
script appeared designed to make a clean start and deliberately and
explicity deleted the DVB TV facilities so it was a pure data only receiver.


David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

--- In MSG-1@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Martin" <Dave.Martin@m...> wrote:

Ian,
just for info (and hopefully not to prolong the non-MSG thread!)
Well, it _is_ an MSG-1 thread as far as I can tell. Here's why!

Eumetsat has projects (e.g. for Africa) where end-users will not
have the support of large suppliers, and may have to do the
installation work themselves. Therefore anything we (as self-
installers) have to contribute may help Eumetsat or others develop a
package which is easier to install.

Examples: should the TV side be removed? It's great as first check
on operation but one can imagine some operators who may prefer
football to MSG-1 data! A checklist for moving a card might be
another useful aid we could contribute (you did check the IP
addresses, didn't you?).

Cheers,
David


Guy Martin <agm@...>
 

Add/Remove programs often leaves references to hardware/software in the registry. The sure way is to use Regedit to search and remove any references ( some won't be removable but don't matter) to the relevant material sometimes using the vendors name as well as the device name. People start getting out the garlic and silver bullets when you mention registry editing but I've never broken one yet. You can back the registry up first if you wish.

Regards, Guy

----- Original Message -----
From: paul@telco.demon.co.uk
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Setup help please


Hello Ian and Group,

I started of with the DVB card in my office PC running XP. That was where I found that the Tellique software prevents TV reception. Hence my interest in your ability to receive both.

My present headaches with Win98 are because I have extended to a two PC setup using a second PC in my workshop to receive. The receive PC has to run 98 as I have other essential software which will definately not run on XP. (I don't plan to use the other software while receiving!). Otherwise I would jump to install XP on both - I agree with Dave Martin's view of XP/W2k over 9x.

The grief I suffered yesterday was prompted by extra missing segments on my system. I was looking at Tuesday's discussion of missing segments and comparing my MDM missing segments report to those posted. Mine always has two or more missing segments. That was why I decided to move the card from slot 1 to slot 0. It REALLY didn't work in slot 0 and I am still trying to get reception working again. Apparently using 'Add/Remove programs' to remove the Technisat and Tellique software and 'Device Manager' to remove the card from the hardware config still leaves references to the card in the operating system somewhere. Convincing it that it only has one card and that it is back in slot 1 has been a hard job. Strangely, the Technisat software doesn't mind and I get a nice green satellite Icon on my taskbar. It's the Tellique software that can't connect to it and the T icon remains red.

I thought computers were supposed to make life easier?

Paul



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paul@...
 

Hello Ian and Group,

I started of with the DVB card in my office PC running XP. That was where I found that the Tellique software prevents TV reception. Hence my interest in your ability to receive both.

My present headaches with Win98 are because I have extended to a two PC setup using a second PC in my workshop to receive. The receive PC has to run 98 as I have other essential software which will definately not run on XP. (I don't plan to use the other software while receiving!). Otherwise I would jump to install XP on both - I agree with Dave Martin's view of XP/W2k over 9x.

The grief I suffered yesterday was prompted by extra missing segments on my system. I was looking at Tuesday's discussion of missing segments and comparing my MDM missing segments report to those posted. Mine always has two or more missing segments. That was why I decided to move the card from slot 1 to slot 0. It REALLY didn't work in slot 0 and I am still trying to get reception working again. Apparently using 'Add/Remove programs' to remove the Technisat and Tellique software and 'Device Manager' to remove the card from the hardware config still leaves references to the card in the operating system somewhere. Convincing it that it only has one card and that it is back in slot 1 has been a hard job. Strangely, the Technisat software doesn't mind and I get a nice green satellite Icon on my taskbar. It's the Tellique software that can't connect to it and the T icon remains red.

I thought computers were supposed to make life easier?

Paul


Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@...>
 

Ian,
just for info (and hopefully not to prolong the non-MSG thread!) - the issues a number of early adopters saw re (lack of) TV viewing weren't OS related.
On a PC which had the Technisat DVB installed and functioning OK for TV (as some us did whilst waiting for Tellique), as soon as the early Tellique TQRECV was installed, TV ceased - because the data software installation script appeared designed to make a clean start and deliberately and explicity deleted the DVB TV facilities so it was a pure data only receiver.
(and XP? - well IMHO agree most things are better than 9x and definitley better than Win ME but NT4 or W2k still far more stable and reliable than XP for many things - and I have upgraded a number of XP machines to W2k !)
Dave M

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian S Deans
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Setup help please


Hi Paul,

I am using the new DVB card and the software is 4.2.2b The Tellique software
number is the same as you have but it clearly has changes as mentioned in my
mail to Roger and Dave.

I know that there has been some discussions in the past about the use of
Windows 98/ME etc although some people are clearly using these operating
systems with some success, but it is just possible that your problem of not
receiving TV might be connected to your operating system.

.
.
.

I suspect if you update to XP you would get TV. Its a nice operating
system -- very user friendly.

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Ian S Deans <ian@...>
 

Hi Paul,

I am using the new DVB card and the software is 4.2.2b The Tellique software
number is the same as you have but it clearly has changes as mentioned in my
mail to Roger and Dave.

I know that there has been some discussions in the past about the use of
Windows 98/ME etc although some people are clearly using these operating
systems with some success, but it is just possible that your problem of not
receiving TV might be connected to your operating system.

Having said that it is clear that some people have had a variety of
different problems setting up and others like me ( and Douglas a while
back ) have sailed through the set-up without the slightest problem. I am
only using one computer which is nearly three years old ( Athlon 1200, 768mb
ram ) and MSG is working like a dream. Ok I have to apply a bit of common
sense but I am using it for day to day things as before.

Basically I think that in general the hardware and software work fine ( you
will of course get the odd faulty card ) but when you think about the
complexity of the different computer set-ups that people must have it is
perhaps understandable why problems arise.

I suspect if you update to XP you would get TV. Its a nice operating
system -- very user friendly.

Best Wishes

Ian


David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Could you let us know what versions of software you are using?

My system definitely will not receive TV once the Tellique
software is installed. I have DVB version 4.2.2 and Tellique version
2.3.0a.

As I recall it, the original Tellique installation removed the TV
stuff.

Incidentally, in trying to reduce the unusually high number of
missing segments on my system....

Paul, always check with the group here before assuming that missing
segments are your fault. During these trials, they may not be.
From a quick check here, there were missing segments up to about
cycle 1230 (UTC), although I've ahd no confirmation from Eumetsat of
this.

Oh, and moving the card is a sure way of loosing an afternoon in
subsequent re-configuration....something else that should be in the
FAQ!

Cheers,
David


Paul Telco <paul@...>
 

Ian,

Could you let us know what versions of software you are using?

My system definitely will not receive TV once the Tellique software is
installed. I have DVB version 4.2.2 and Tellique version 2.3.0a.

Incidentally, in trying to reduce the unusually high number of missing
segments on my system, I moved the DVB card from PCI slot 1 to slot 0 as
described in the recent thread in this group. Big mistake. I reinstalled the
Tellicast software with no problem but the Tellique software would not even
install itself. I got 'Invalid page fault in module crtdll.dll' message and
installaion aborted. I reinstalled Windows (98 admittedly but it was working
reasonably well before) checked for duplicate and missing drivers elsewhere
but no
good. I'm just reverting to the original arrangement with the card in slot 1
and it all installs ok.

Paul