Hello,
When will this switch-migration take place ??
Kindly advise.
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Roland

On 15/11/2022 12:44, fly.fechter@... wrote:

Hello,
When will this switch-migration take place ??
Kindly advise.
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Roland

See: https://www.eumetsat.int/eumetcast-europe-service-transponder-migration

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Hi John,

for me (and others outside the E10-illuminated area) this is really bad news. When
Eumetsat spread their data via HB13 years ago, it was the golden age of signal
quality. With the Transition to E10, the signal became so weak that I never had a
chance (without investing in a humungous dish - featuring the lowest possible
WAF) to use and process HVS data. Too much noise.

But as we say in german, the train has probably left the station, no chance to get
the good conditions back, or?

Switching of HB13 would be the easiest here, it would just be connecting my SR1 to
our TV signal hub, fed by HB13 (Quad-LNB). Too bad...

Cheers,
U.


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Switching of HB13

Read: 'Switching TO HB13... '.

Sorry for the typo.

Cheers,
U.

On 15/11/2022 17:29, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

Hi John,
for me (and others outside the E10-illuminated area) this is really bad news. When
Eumetsat spread their data via HB13 years ago, it was the golden age of signal
quality. With the Transition to E10, the signal became so weak that I never had a
chance (without investing in a humungous dish - featuring the lowest possible
WAF) to use and process HVS data. Too much noise.
But as we say in german, the train has probably left the station, no chance to get
the good conditions back, or?
Switching of HB13 would be the easiest here, it would just be connecting my SR1 to
our TV signal hub, fed by HB13 (Quad-LNB). Too bad...
Cheers,
U.

I thought you were in Germany - that's in the core of the beam - at least judging by what other Germans stations show.

In northern UK and Ireland we are much further out!

David
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Hello John (and others involved),

first, I have to apologize for some dents and notches in my memory, Iet me just say,
continuous cerebral blood perfusion is essential for memory functions (never made
a backup...), but your summary of the transmission history brought back at least
few essential segements.

Yes, I even started receiving Meteosat (the APT chirp-chirp) when it still was the
only source, homebrewn analog receiver, my own signal conversion hardware,
feeding a home built video frame storage that fed an old Tektronix analog
oscilloscope, with the Z input driven by the frame buffer's (single frame, Z80-based)
video output. Just my two pence (still have some) of nostalgia...

Later on, when Meteosat (2 or 3?) went silent, I got in contact with David, and
started with a 70cm dish on Hotbird (the same quad LNB also fed our TV...)

Unable to get sufficient signal quality for Hotbird (@13 deg) and E 9 from that single
dish with a multi LNB-holder, I stumbled over the Wave Frontier Toroidal T 90 dish,
and that lives on our balcony since. And yes, I moved the 9-deg-LNB to 10 deg later
on, replacing it with a better quality (too cold and frozen outside now to look for the
type) , but got flawless BS signals since.

When I first started using the SR1 (the special single channel version that Ayecka
made for the GEO subscribers, serial number 111 338), I first tried the HVS at that
time, too many errors, so switched to and since remained happy with the BS flavor.

But my configuration last changed somewhen in 2019 /20? seems to be a bit
outdated today, looking at the empty folders where image data piled up before.

I am not sure too if I installed the SR1 before or after the change from 9 to 10 degs,
too many other things to care for at that time, and never change a running system.

Now, I still have that original SR1 here, about 25m of cable between it and the LNB.

As I have always been keen to keep my system up to date here (should I mention
that the receiver and the viewing PCs run Windows 10 /64bit at least! :) ), all
connected through a gigabit LAN, like all other clients here in the house; outside
connection more bandwidth than ever exhausted, I first would like to ask here now
if it is advisable, possible and justifiable to augment the old single channel version
of the SR1 to the one that make use of both coax sockets.

BTW, I live near Kiel on the shores of the Baltic Ocean (tm), some 80 km south of
the border to Denmark, which means close to the contour of the highest RF energy
area.

I have not tried yet to employ the HVS path recently, still trying to bring my
knowledge state up to date. For various reasons, health etc., I am still partly in a
sort of 2019 state, so I would appreciate any help shaped as pointers to essential
and usable websites that avoid Linuxes language, if possible (hope the pure
mentioning ot this does not stir a nerw drama... ;/ )

So far for now, more questions to be expected...

Cheers,

Ulli


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On 21/11/2022 15:13, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

So far for now, more questions to be expected...
Cheers,
Ulli

Fascinating story, Ulli.

The transition is from 10A to 10B, same nominal location, so all being well no dish repointing required, just a frequency change.

https://www.eumetsat.int/eumetcast-europe-service-transponder-migration

Just get BAS/HVS-1 working for now - it sounds as if you have, If you want to get HVS-2 then you'll need at least a dual (two output) LNB as the BAS/HVS-1 and HVS-2 are on different polarisations.

There are alternatives for the second receiver for HVS-2 - either another SR1, or a PCIe card plugging into your PC (both dual and quad versions available), or a single channel USB-connected box such as the TBS5925 or TBS5927.

There a transition before the end of the year for the HVS-2 service to be cross-polarised, and the 10B satellite is listed as Q1/Q2 2023. 10B hasn't even been launched yet!

Cheers,
David
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David, thank you so much.

Actually, the LNB has 4 outputs already , so I'd just have to run another cable down
to my receiver.

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Just get BAS/HVS-1 working for now - it sounds as if you have,

Just have to figure out how I can activate the HVS-1 reception on that SR1

And, as I wrote you in my PM, I'll have to remodel the basic setup to get the BAS
bouquet first, then maybe also the HVS-1

The tellicast monitor shows zero errors also over 24 hrs worth of data, I see the
incoming bandwidth plot, but that's where the road is blocked here right now. I am
confident though, that I'll get it working again. Just downloaded the most recent .ini
files from Eumetsat last night. Something in my head tells me that I have to set a
few more paramaters for the SR1, still a bit foggy...

BTW, David, did I ever send you a copy of the photo of you standing in front of my
dish with a LRPT receiver in your hands? The day when we later visited Per in his
monster dish garden...

https://www.df9cy.de/dl0shf/dl0shf.html

Cheers,

Ulli

If
you want to get HVS-2 then you'll need at least a dual (two output) LNB
as the BAS/HVS-1 and HVS-2 are on different polarisations.

On 21/11/2022 17:05, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

BTW, David, did I ever send you a copy of the photo of you standing in front of my
dish with a LRPT receiver in your hands? The day when we later visited Per in his
monster dish garden...
https://www.df9cy.de/dl0shf/dl0shf.html
Cheers,
Ulli

I'm unsure, Ulli, so if it's not too much trouble perhaps you could send it again?

The dishes were amazing!

Thanks
David,
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Hello John,

thanks for your reply.

Datum: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
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Hello Ulrich,

Ah, you have a 90 cm dish and are still(?) receiving BS?

At least, yes... I had one of those transparent Thomson dishes (70cm)? before, and
am not quite sure what steps I took to give HVS another chance, some health and
other issues ate much time.

Arne uses a Frontier Toroidal dish and get HVS-1 OK and given your
location, so should
you.

In a few days I hope to know more.

I've no idea of how you align this dish correctly so can't help in
this case.

I aligned it first geographically, picking a few navigation marks using Google Earth
fist, then aligning the rest. The holding rails and clamps of the Toroid give a lot of
freedom - and bandwidth for errors... :)

As you are using an SR1 for EUMETCast, what SNR and Power readings
does the SR1 Controller indicate?

I had Davids Controller panel running (now promoted by Eumetsat or and Ayecka
on my old XP PC, but remember some bottle necks for the coexistence of Java and
Win 10, did not try it again yet.

Is there any other way to see the values? Via Telnet? That works at least, I nly have
to find out how to switch off the permanent renewal of the selected submenu.

And what LNB are you using for EUMETCast?

Just was on the balcony and took a pic of the very weathered lable on the LNB.
More on that later, have to decipher it.

I saw that the EB LNB (obiously directed to 10 deg, found the old 9 deg mark on the
rail) sits in the center of the rail where the highest output can be expected, with
other LNBs sitting a bit off center, but they produce enough ummmmph for TV
reception. I remember sitting there one day, with a laptop running the SR1 utility to
optimize the dish orientation and the skew (pretty othogonal everything here).

Are photos allowed here in the meantime, or better not?

The SR1 is a single channel receiver - though it has two antenna
connecters.
I'm not sure if the SR1 is still available - if it is it will be
more expensive to purchase than
GEO were able to offer.

I remember, it was a special offer through GEO that I made use of.

I'm in contact with Ayecka at the moment regarding their new
receiver - which I think has 2 antenna inputs and dual reception - but it is going to be
expensive as it is a professional receiver.

I purchased a TBS 1609 card - which many users use - earlier this
year which has 2 RF inputs, though I have not yet got around to installing.

At the moment I'm happy with just BS and HVS-1 so no need (really)
for a 'second
receiver.'

So you can receive them in parallel? I lived with the impression that it is an either or
selection until now.

Regards,
John

Best regards too, thanks, cheers,

Ulli

Datum: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
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As you are using an SR1 for EUMETCast, what SNR and Power readings
does the SR1 Controller indicate?

John, your question motivated me to successfully attempt to get David's SR1
control panel working again. Nice one.

SNR is 10.3dB
Power 35 dB.

At least not in the red sectors, the Power parameter rather in a nice green.
Throughput is undulating between ~10 and ~2ß Mb/s

And now?

Cheers,
U.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 02:06 AM, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

-34 .. -35 dB

More corrections, it's "dBm".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBm

Ernst

On 25/11/2022 10:06, Ulrich G. Kliegis wrote:

Autocorrect of the Third Kind:

SNR is 10.3dB

..10.4 dDB this morning (tidally floating position?)

Power 35 dB.

-34 .. -35 dB

Throughput is undulating between ~10 and ~2ß Mb/s

~10 and ~ 28 or even more Mb/s
Cheers,
U.

Ulli,

The power level at -35 dBm is fine (-35 dB relative to one milliwatt). Suggests your cable length is OK.

The SNR at 10.3 dB is much lower than is should be for your location and system - but, yes, it will vary, ice-crystals in the clouds, general thick clouds, heavy rain etc. Arne van Belle in the Netherlands also has the 90 cm Wavefrontier "dish", and sees an SNR of just over 12 dB for BAS, and somewhat over 11 dB for HVS-1 (likely on 11387 H).

http://home.hccnet.nl/a.van.belle/MRTG/dvbdataex-snr-p1-tbs6983-tunera-day.png

More details:
https://home.hccnet.nl/a.van.belle/MRTG/index.html

Oh, and the Java software isn't mine, but was provided by Ayecka. I did make a few suggestions, though.

Cheers,
David
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More corrections, it's "dBm".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBm

Ernst, you are so right. As you may know, we have the Kiel Kanal nearby here,
globally one of the most populated artificial waterways. A friend works there as a
pilot. When he came aboard a russian freightship, he asked the captain for the
state of the ship's engine. 'Running like a swiss clock, Sir!"

Now, they were approaching the locks, and the pilot wanted the captain to stop his
ship. 'Full backwards!'. Nothing happened. Crashshshshsh, another lock door gone.

' You said, your engine is running like a swiss clock - '
'Sir, have you ever seen a swiss clock running backwards?'

Schönes Wochenende, odr.

:)

Cheers,
U.

David, thanks.

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Oh, and the Java software isn't mine, but was provided by Ayecka. I
did make a few suggestions, though.

And who is depicted in that avatar in the upper right corner? :)

Re the frequencies given in the Eumetsat transmitter ballet graphics - is that the
value to be entered in the frequency line in the SR1 setup, or do I have to add or
subtract any IF? Obviously, with the present value, something arrives.

This is what the SR1 tells telnet about itself:

SR1c Serial No. 111338 30AAC Run Time: 172:27:40
SW Ver 1.05b264 V HW Ver 2.10 FW Ver 2.02b022 V BL Ver 1.01b14

RX1: Active, Locked
EUMETCast DVB-S2 T1 1512.500 MHz, DVB-S2 8PSK 3/5, 32.994 Msps, ACM,
10.3 dB


We will / are supposed to have heavy rain later today, not as much as in Djiddah
last night, but more than nothing. I'll keep an eye on the SNR and power.

Cheers,
U.