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Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor
 

Alan

Thank you for your mail. I will be very pleased to take up your offer on how
to install QSOFT.

Regards.........Geoffrey
Geoffrey,

You will find information about installing RAMdisks, with screen shots here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/RAMdisk.html

One suggestion is the "Dataram RAMDisk - Windows 7, Windows Vista, XP, Server" from:

http://memory.dataram.com/products-and-services/software/ramdisk?

Please note that you will need to edit your TelliCast recv.ini file to move the temporary FSY files it uses onto that RAMdisk.

This will only reduce the data losses. I would suggest making sure that you are getting at least /some/ Metop data before making any further changes. It could be that your existing FSY files are not big enough to take the relatively large Metop files. Check the parameter:

file_database_size

in your present recv.ini file.

Cheers,
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Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor
 

After installing the software, you set it up by going into Device
Manager and selecting RAMdisk, where you can set the Drive letter, drive
size and other parameters (I use B:, 128MB, FAT and the defaults).

I hope I have given you enough information to get started with the
RAMdisk. If you choose drive letter B:, don't forget to put this in
recv.ini: file_database_directory=B:\receiving in the [locations]
section together with file_database_size=118000000 in the [parameters]
section at the end.

Good luck - Alan S
Alan,

Good to hear your recommendation for some other RAMdisk software. Current recommendations from EUMETSAT are for 300MB of RAMdisk, which would then allow a setting of

file_database_size=313000000

in the recv.ini, allowing a little margin (300MB is 314,572,800 bytes, the the disk structures take a little space). If the RAMdisk can only be set to 256MB, then use

file_database_size=266000000

and remember to count the number of zeroes! You can see what I've needed on my own system taking Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR, MODIS-L1 and Metop/N19 world-wide AVHRR/GAC data here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/feenix-fsy.html

As you can see, after a restart on Saturday, it's already up to 153MB, and did get up to near the 300MB limit during the snows of early December and late January.

Cheers,
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Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

David and Geoffrey,
I don't think Geoffrey is taking as much data in as you on Feenix. I take Met9, Metop A and N19, RSS and AVHRR and have never used more than the 128 MB mentioned. Current value is 59 MB after a while of running. I'm just telling him what works for me and the settings needed to achieve that.

Best regards - Alan S

On 23/02/2011 12:36 PM, David J Taylor wrote:
After installing the software, you set it up by going into Device
Manager and selecting RAMdisk, where you can set the Drive letter, drive
size and other parameters (I use B:, 128MB, FAT and the defaults).

I hope I have given you enough information to get started with the
RAMdisk. If you choose drive letter B:, don't forget to put this in
recv.ini: file_database_directory=B:\receiving in the [locations]
section together with file_database_size=118000000 in the [parameters]
section at the end.

Good luck - Alan S
Alan,

Good to hear your recommendation for some other RAMdisk software. Current
recommendations from EUMETSAT are for 300MB of RAMdisk, which would then
allow a setting of

file_database_size=313000000

in the recv.ini, allowing a little margin (300MB is 314,572,800 bytes, the
the disk structures take a little space). If the RAMdisk can only be set
to 256MB, then use

file_database_size=266000000

and remember to count the number of zeroes! You can see what I've needed
on my own system taking Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR, MODIS-L1 and Metop/N19
world-wide AVHRR/GAC data here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/feenix-fsy.html

As you can see, after a restart on Saturday, it's already up to 153MB, and
did get up to near the 300MB limit during the snows of early December and
late January.

Cheers,
David
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Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor
 

David and Geoffrey,
I don't think Geoffrey is taking as much data in as you on Feenix. I
take Met9, Metop A and N19, RSS and AVHRR and have never used more than
the 128 MB mentioned. Current value is 59 MB after a while of running.
I'm just telling him what works for me and the settings needed to
achieve that.

Best regards - Alan S
Some of the MODIS L1 data contains the largest files - checking yesterday there were files up to 82MB. As these are sent at the same time as other data, adding your 59MB to MODIS 82MB gets you into the region of my 153MB. It was quite a change in FSY size when the MODIS data was added to EUMETCast. As you say, you can get away with less if you're taking less data.

By the way, the MODIS-L1 1km resolution imagery contains more channels than the standard AVHRR data, allow you to play rather more, and is well worth a look:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/modis-L1-viewer.html

I recall that you need to ask EUMETSAT to enable you for the data, and it comes in on channel 4.

Cheers,
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New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Ian

Just to keep you up to date. My attempt to install ARsoft Ram Disk has caused so much trouble I have uninstalled it . Alan & David have mailed a lot of information which I will try and digest.

As a matter of interest this attempt with Ram Disk has thoroughly up set the Technisat programme as I am left with a red T when trying to run Metop and no data coming in. When I switch back to running MSG DM the pink T returns and all runs correctly as it has done for years. There appears to be no change in the received.ini or else where and the settings are as you recommended.

Regards...............Geoffrey

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
The pink T should come up even with none of the processing software running (such as MSG Data Manager, Metop Manager, AVHRR Manager.)
If it does not, you must have made a change to either recv.ini or channels.ini, or messed up the Sky Star settings (PIDs). Probably recv.ini as you have to modify that for the RAMdisk.

Best regards - Alan S

On 23/02/2011 4:45 PM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Ian

Just to keep you up to date. My attempt to install ARsoft Ram Disk has
caused so much trouble I have uninstalled it . Alan & David have mailed a
lot of information which I will try and digest.

As a matter of interest this attempt with Ram Disk has thoroughly up set
the
Technisat programme as I am left with a red T when trying to run Metop and
no data coming in. When I switch back to running MSG DM the pink T returns
and all runs correctly as it has done for years. There appears to be no
change in the received.ini or else where and the settings are as you
recommended.

Regards...............Geoffrey

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Re-.New to Metop

duncan
 

Hi Geoffrey I can see your having problems .i am no computer whizz but i have trouble free Metop and avhrr so i will explain what i have here .I use Dataram ramdisk and it is set at 299mb i run it at the default letter G and save the image ect. .I then go to my rec-ini and have set the letter to G also..........
file_database_directory=G:\receiving/tmp. i have then set in the parameters section......file_database_size=312000000 this may be wrong but i have no missing segments and have had no trouble with this configuration. I find the Dataram ramdisk works for me and is easy to setup...Best regards Duncan

Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Alan

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, there was a mistake in the received.ini file. No red T now but still no data for Metop the MSG data is OK. when running on its own

One more problem. I have entered and checked the Metop entry in recv.channels.ini exactly as in your instructions and it does not appear in BusinessTV IP.....received. The other Data Channels are there.


Regards...........Geoffrey

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
Are you trying to run the RAMdisk or is this without the RAMdisk?
When you say 'it does not appear in the Business TVip..received', do you mean that the directory you specified does not appear or that the directory is there but that no data appears in the received folder? Note that putting a directory in recv-channels.ini does not automatically result in the directory being created - you have to create that yourself - its a pointer to a directory.

Best regards - Alan

On 23/02/2011 7:18 PM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Alan

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, there was a mistake in the
received.ini file. No red T now but still no data for Metop the MSG data is
OK. when running on its own

One more problem. I have entered and checked the Metop entry in
recv.channels.ini exactly as in your instructions and it does not appear in
BusinessTV IP.....received. The other Data Channels are there.


Regards...........Geoffrey



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Getting MRTG to work

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Hi all,
while trying to install MRTG on my receiver PC, I got stuck a little. XP Pro,
receiving functions work flawlessly (at least to my standards...). I studied
both the MRTG homepage and Davids pages on the installation of MRTG. I
have come so far as having run sucessfully perl cfgmaker@<mycomp>, as
described in the mrtg page. I guess the reason why I did not find it as a file
is that I did not add the --output option, and some more. At least, the
structure of the cfg file appeared in the DOS-box.

Now, that is still something I can try out alone, but David touches a few
topics in his page that are more than one of my short steps apart from each
other. Adding some options '~...noo' - where? In the mrtg config-file? And
other addenda? Where should they go, is it irrelevant, where in the config
file they are added, and so on. MRTG for Dummies...

Long story cut short: Is there any detailed how-to cookbook guide around, or
even an exemplary sample cfg file and some more steps of how to get it
working first locally, then also publicly?

Thanks in advance for any helpful hint!

Cheers,
U.

Re: METOP

e.macgurk@...
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I have been reading with interest all the posts regarding METOP,to be
fair iv only just downloaded and had a go 2 or 3 times, on all occasions
the problem iv had is when i check the log file in the telicast shell it
reads " the date and time followed by a number then message lost (lost
message)" in active channels the anouncement channel and ESP 10 are
green and connected.
i do use the same PC for MSG data managar with great success, but i dont
run the 2 at the same time, i have been switching off data channel 2 and
3 used for MSG, then activating ESP 10, as mentiond the channel is
connecting but all i am getting is hours worth of lost messages, i have
not gone down the route of using a RAM disc, but this is my next
challenge.
please could i have any thoughts with the issue of constant lost
messages when using METOP data channels.

Thankyou.

Eric.
Eric,

A RAMdisk is essential with the TelliCast 2.4.4 client for receiving both
Metop and other data, and I have written some suggestions here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/RAMdisk.html

There are a number of excellent, free programs available. I would
normally recommend a 300MB RAMdisk.

I have a couple of systems here which, on a single PC, both receive and
process Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR and Metop AVHRR data, essentially without
loss. One is an AMD system with an AMD-64 X2 4400 processor, Windows
Vista-32, and 2GB of memory (also running SBS Virtual Radar and Plane
Plotter), and the other is a more recent system with an Intel i5-760
processor, Windows-7 64-bit, and 8GB of memory. As it happens, both those
systems are running an unreleased TelliCast 2.5.17 client, and are working
without a RAMdisk, and with USB receiver boxes (Dexatek on the AMD and DVB
World on the Intel, in case it matters).

So although EUMETSAT and I both recommend a two-PC setup (the receiver PC
can be a lower-powered Intel Atom box running 24 x 7) a well setup up,
single PC with a multi-core processor and 2GB+ memory can likely do the
job you need.

Cheers,
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Hi.

For your infomation i installed the RAMdisc today the ARsoft and its somthing i should have done weeks ago, within the hour i had Metop running perfectly or at least i was receiving Metop images, i set the max rate it would allow 127Mb and added NOT changed the 2 components within the T systems folder, after an hour to be dareing i then activated data channel 2 and 3 and started MSG data managar, once again there was no problems at all, i was running Metop and MSG on the same PC without any issues.
The link that David sent regarding setting up the RAM disc i found was very easy to follow.

Hope this helps.
Many thanks.

Kind Regards.

Eric.

Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor
 

Note
that putting a directory in recv-channels.ini does not automatically
result in the directory being created - you have to create that yourself
- its a pointer to a directory.

Best regards - Alan
Alan,

In my experience, TelliCast has /always/ created the directories itself, I have never needed to create them. Mind you this may not apply if the basic &#92;received&#92; directory hasn't been created. Folk may also have issues if you are running Windows Vista or Windows-7, and have ignored the recommendation to install /outside/ the &#92;Program Files&#92; tree.

I'm delighted to see all the help which Geoffrey is getting. Remember that you maybe able to use TeamViewer to get a direct connection to someone's PC if they have installed the software:

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx

Cheers,
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Re: METOP

David J Taylor
 

Hi.

For your infomation i installed the RAMdisc today the ARsoft and its somthing i should have done weeks ago, within the hour i had Metop running perfectly or at least i was receiving Metop images, i set the max rate it would allow 127Mb and added NOT changed the 2 components within the T systems folder, after an hour to be dareing i then activated data channel 2 and 3 and started MSG data managar, once again there was no problems at all, i was running Metop and MSG on the same PC without any issues.
The link that David sent regarding setting up the RAM disc i found was very easy to follow.

Hope this helps.
Many thanks.

Kind Regards.

Eric.
That's good news, Eric. The ARSoft RAMdisk will set its maximum according to the memory in the PC, and while 127MB is just about enough in normal circumstances, you may want a little more should you add even more data, such as the MODIS-L1 data I mentioned earlier. One of the other free RAMdisk programs will allow you a little more choice in RAMdisk size.

I hope you will enjoy watching the world go by in the Metop Manager!

Cheers,
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Re: Getting MRTG to work

David J Taylor
 

Hi all,
while trying to install MRTG on my receiver PC, I got stuck a little. XP Pro,
receiving functions work flawlessly (at least to my standards...). I studied
both the MRTG homepage and Davids pages on the installation of MRTG. I
have come so far as having run sucessfully perl cfgmaker@<mycomp>, as
described in the mrtg page. I guess the reason why I did not find it as a file
is that I did not add the --output option, and some more. At least, the
structure of the cfg file appeared in the DOS-box.
.. or just use a DOS redirection command:

perl cfgmaker public@....0.1 > config.txt

Now, that is still something I can try out alone, but David touches a few
topics in his page that are more than one of my short steps apart from each
other. Adding some options '~...noo' - where? In the mrtg config-file? And
other addenda? Where should they go, is it irrelevant, where in the config
file they are added, and so on. MRTG for Dummies...

Long story cut short: Is there any detailed how-to cookbook guide around, or
even an exemplary sample cfg file and some more steps of how to get it
working first locally, then also publicly?

Thanks in advance for any helpful hint!

Cheers,
U.
There's an example of the "-noo" option on my "How to" Web page:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_howto.php

in the first section, under "What if the PC were single-core?"

I've recently added air temperature monitoring using a couple of cheap USB probes from China - working very nicely! Described briefly on that page.

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Re: Getting MRTG to work

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

David,
thanks for that pointer. Tons of useful information - a link to that page from
here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/Eumetcast.html#HowTo

might help accidental visitors. Only now I saw that here (at the bottom) links
to these pages can befound, but I did not expect more on SNMP monitoring
from the CPU- etc. monitoring pages. Now I am not wiser, but older. (not
wiser because the balance is zero)

A key term for me was your mentioning of include files. I like that concept.

More questions guaranteed,

cheers and thanks,

U.

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/index.htm


There's an example of the "-noo" option on m
y "How to" Web page:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_howto.php

in the first section, under "What if the PC were single-core?"

Re: Getting MRTG to work

David J Taylor
 

David,
thanks for that pointer. Tons of useful information - a link to that page from
here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/Eumetcast.html#HowTo

might help accidental visitors. Only now I saw that here (at the bottom) links
to these pages can befound, but I did not expect more on SNMP monitoring
from the CPU- etc. monitoring pages. Now I am not wiser, but older. (not
wiser because the balance is zero)

A key term for me was your mentioning of include files. I like that concept.

More questions guaranteed,

cheers and thanks,

U.
Ulrich, my apologies in that with all the effort put into the PHP pages, I have rather neglected the plain HTML pages, but I've now added a couple of links which may make it easier to find the extended MRTG information. Too many ideas, too little time!

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Re: Getting MRTG to work

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Too
many ideas, too little time!
Better than the boolean inverse... :)

Cheers,
U.

Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Alan

Many thanks for quick reply. Current position.

I had uninstalled ArSOFT Ram disk.
Using Explorer . Business TV-Ip shows .....received...Data Channel 1. Data Channel 2 Data Channel 3 . ( no EPS-10 )
receiving.....tmp

These appeared automatically and were not put in by me.

My recv channel.ini is

# recv-channels.ini - TelliCast+TelliVision Client channel configuration file
#
# 2-4-3 10-10-2005
#

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 1]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 1

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 4]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 4



[EUMETSAT Data Channel 2]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 2

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 3]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 3

#METOP AVHRR Data channel EPS-10
[EPS-10]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;EPS-10



# target_directory: Directory for received files. The target_directory name
# is relative to the current working directory.
# syntax: target_directory=<directory>
# default: received

#temp_directory=receiving/tmp
# tmp_directory: If this parameter is given tc-recv will internally
# store/compose all received files within the given directory and
# later move them to the target directory.
# While this option requires an additional move operation it
# guarantees that all files appearing in the target directory are
# fully written to the file system.
# syntax: tmp_directory=<directory>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini




# Section per channel or channel group identified by channel name (wildcard
# "*" allowed at end of name)

#activate_ftp_forwarding=1
# activate_ftp_forwarding: Will activate FTP forwarding for the correctly
# received files according to the recv.ini [ftp_forwarding]
# parameters.
# syntax: activate_ftp_forwarding=<value of range>
# range: 0/1
# default: 0=off

#tmp_directory=receiving/tmp/files
# tmp_directory: If this parameter is given tc-recv will internally
# store/compose all received files within the given directory and
# later move them to the target directory.
# While this option requires an additional move operation it
# guarantees that all files appearing in the target directory are
# fully written to the file system.
# syntax: tmp_directory=<directory>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini

#tmp_prefix=.
# tmp_prefix: Like tmp_directory, but files are composed within the final
# target directories but stored with the given prefix in front of
# the normal filenames until the files are fully written.
# syntax: tmp_prefix=<file name start>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini

#tmp_suffix=.tmp
# tmp_suffix: Like tmp_prefix, but adding a suffix to the normal filenames
# until the files are fully written.
# syntax: tmp_suffix=<file suffix>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini


Again many thanks for your help. I wonder if it might be best if I re-installed Metop and started from scratch again ?

Best regards..........Geoffrey

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
You may be looking in the wrong place. In your recv_channels.ini file, you have specified that the target_directory for receiving is in the root of the C: drive (C:&#92;received&#92;eps-10) while you are looking in the C:&#92;Program files&#92;T Systems/Business TV-IP&#92;received&#92; tree from what you say. The folders you have in there were probably put there by the T-Systems tc-recv program when you ran it earlier. If you use the Windows Explorer and click on the C: drive you should find a folder named received which has the folders Data Channel 1, 2, 3 etc and EPS-10, as you have specified in the recv-_channels.ini you edited. The METOP files will appear in the EPS-10 folder.
I don't think there is any point in uninstalling METOP Manager until we have sorted out this problem.

Best regards - Alan S

On 24/02/2011 10:39 AM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Alan

Many thanks for quick reply. Current position.

I had uninstalled ArSOFT Ram disk.
Using Explorer . Business TV-Ip shows .....received...Data Channel 1. Data
Channel 2 Data Channel 3 . ( no EPS-10 )
receiving.....tmp

These appeared automatically and were not put in by me.

My recv channel.ini is

# recv-channels.ini - TelliCast+TelliVision Client channel configuration
file
#
# 2-4-3 10-10-2005
#

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 1]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 1

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 4]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 4



[EUMETSAT Data Channel 2]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 2

[EUMETSAT Data Channel 3]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel 3

#METOP AVHRR Data channel EPS-10
[EPS-10]
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;EPS-10



# target_directory: Directory for received files. The target_directory name
# is relative to the current working directory.
# syntax: target_directory=<directory>
# default: received

#temp_directory=receiving/tmp
# tmp_directory: If this parameter is given tc-recv will internally
# store/compose all received files within the given directory and
# later move them to the target directory.
# While this option requires an additional move operation it
# guarantees that all files appearing in the target directory are
# fully written to the file system.
# syntax: tmp_directory=<directory>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini




# Section per channel or channel group identified by channel name (wildcard
# "*" allowed at end of name)

#activate_ftp_forwarding=1
# activate_ftp_forwarding: Will activate FTP forwarding for the correctly
# received files according to the recv.ini [ftp_forwarding]
# parameters.
# syntax: activate_ftp_forwarding=<value of range>
# range: 0/1
# default: 0=off

#tmp_directory=receiving/tmp/files
# tmp_directory: If this parameter is given tc-recv will internally
# store/compose all received files within the given directory and
# later move them to the target directory.
# While this option requires an additional move operation it
# guarantees that all files appearing in the target directory are
# fully written to the file system.
# syntax: tmp_directory=<directory>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini

#tmp_prefix=.
# tmp_prefix: Like tmp_directory, but files are composed within the final
# target directories but stored with the given prefix in front of
# the normal filenames until the files are fully written.
# syntax: tmp_prefix=<file name start>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini

#tmp_suffix=.tmp
# tmp_suffix: Like tmp_prefix, but adding a suffix to the normal filenames
# until the files are fully written.
# syntax: tmp_suffix=<file suffix>
# default: undefined=off, but default value may be redefined in
# recv.ini


Again many thanks for your help. I wonder if it might be best if I
re-installed Metop and started from scratch again ?

Best regards..........Geoffrey



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New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Alan

I have just found further down the Programmes Tree and quite separate to BusinessTV Ip folder............another folder ........received......
which has in it Data Channel 1..... Data channel 2..... Data Channel 4..... Data Channel 4..... and EPS-10.

Am I right in presuming this should be the one on BusinessTV-Ip ? If so how do I get it there ?

Regards................Geoffrey