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Re: Geo usb2 box

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Ulrich,

Just a small point but when you changed over to the Dexatek box I assume you
removed Tellique as well. To be safe if I am ever changing a receiver I
also remove the EKU software.

If you simply change over a receiver with Tellique installed you will have
problems, you must start from scratch and install the receiver before
Tellique and EKU software and remember not to have the EKU
installed when loading its software.

Regards
Ian.
Ian,

You /can/ run both a SkyStar PCI card and a DVB World USB box at the same time - see Arne van Belle's article on page 12 of the latest GEO Quarterly Q.29. Not a member of GEO, you can join here:

http://www.geo-web.org.uk/join.html

and get the GEO Quarterly sent to you regularly. Arne also covers a novel twin-sat LNB concept for those wanting both EUMETCast and ENVISAT from the one dish. Lots of other really good articles as well.

There /should/ be no need to remove either the eToken software or TelliCast when changing between SkyStar PCI card and the DVB World box. Just changing the IP should suffice, as Ulrich says. Of course, if you are having problems, then perhaps there are remnants of installations which are interfering, and then a clean start might help.

Quite a lot of snow here (180m AMSL) and it's coming your way!

Cheers,
David
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Re: Geo usb2 box

Ian Deans
 

Ulrich,

I should have mentioned as well that David's point re your SkyStar card is well worth considering. I would remove it as it could be an added problem.

Regards
Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ulrich G. Kliegis
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:44 AM
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Geo usb2 box

Ian, that's today's understatement (apart from "Our nuclear power plants are
safe.") . I was unaware so far of what you call a small point. I just thought,
change the IP in recv.ini, and everything is fine.

But I had not gotten that far until now at all.

Thanks, cheers,
U.


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Ian, that's today's understatement (apart from "Our nuclear power plants are
safe.") . I was unaware so far of what you call a small point. I just thought,
change the IP in recv.ini, and everything is fine.

But I had not gotten that far until now at all.

Thanks, cheers,
U.


An: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Von: "Ian Deans" <iandeans142@btinternet.com>
Datum: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 09:08:29 -0000
Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] Geo usb2 box
Antwort an: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com

Just a small point but when you changed over to the Dexatek box I
assume you removed Tellique as well.


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ian Deans
 

Ulrich,

Just a small point but when you changed over to the Dexatek box I assume you
removed Tellique as well. To be safe if I am ever changing a receiver I
also remove the EKU software.

If you simply change over a receiver with Tellique installed you will have
problems, you must start from scratch and install the receiver before
Tellique and EKU software and remember not to have the EKU
installed when loading its software.

Regards
Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ulrich G. Kliegis
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:07 AM
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Geo usb2 box


Very good question, David, actively, I only installed the s2102 - Driver.
I'll
check what else is there, and what is missing.

I can configure the box as a network device (set the IP etc.), and there is
no
problem message. I'll also try your favourite Route Print :) .

Thanks, cheers, stay tuned, as the sailors say... (did you tune the stays?)

U.


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Very good question, David, actively, I only installed the s2102 - Driver. I'll
check what else is there, and what is missing.

I can configure the box as a network device (set the IP etc.), and there is no
problem message. I'll also try your favourite Route Print :) .

Thanks, cheers, stay tuned, as the sailors say... (did you tune the stays?)

U.


Silly question: when you installed the drivers for the box, you did
install the DVBnet drivers as well? I /think/ we have mixed drivers
and software from Dexatek and DVB World before, but I'm not sure. On
this PC here (which hasn't been used with DVB boxes for a while) I
have:

C:&#92;WINDOWS&#92;system32&#92;drivers

07/07/2009 17:06 34,328 DVBNet.sys
08/05/2008 19:33 49,024 dvbusbs2102.sys


Re: Geo usb2 box

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

David,
I got pretty far tonight, although again not without some obstacles in the
way, and I am not yet quite there.

Hardware: i-Tek Sphere.
The installation software (incl. driver) on the included CD, started from their
menue, stalled at the time of driver installation (installing drivers, please
wait.... endlessly). The same with the V3.0 software from DVB World.

Uninstall everything, start over again. New hardware found, manual
selection of the DVBS2102USB driver. Driver installation runs through, I'm
Mr. Happy, until - the box appears as an Audio Video device now. Now
install the software only (V. 3.0 from DVB World again), it misses the audio
part (no wonder, I disabled onboard-audio in the BIOS when I set up this
PC, keeping it slim). But it starts, I can configure EB9, have to add all PIDs
manually, 'Testbild' appears in the programme list (this confirms that the
LNB looks at the right spot), but there is no image. Probably because of the
missing audio. No data taffic either, though. Quality about 82 %, strength
about 72%.
Start IP is refused - a warning dialogue (well, monologue): There is a
problem with your DVB interface...
Now, the USB Box is listed as a network device. Setting the IP to
192.168.238.239 (and ~237 as the alternative address) does not help. The
Technisat-card is still in the PC, but the antenna cable leads from the LNB
to the USB-box now.

Any idea, anybody?

Still XP Pro...

Cheers,

U.
Ulrich,

If Testbild is found, you are well on the way. Correct that it has no image or sound. You could have configured PIDs etc from the EUMETSAT EB9A update from their Web site, but perhaps it's no longer available for download. But it only saves a few minutes. I haven't had your problems with drivers, but it's been a long time since I did an XP install with that box - it's either been Vista or Win-7. But I did have a Dexatek or DVB World box on this XP Pro SP3 PC once, so it does work, as you've found after your struggles.

Silly question: when you installed the drivers for the box, you did install the DVBnet drivers as well? I /think/ we have mixed drivers and software from Dexatek and DVB World before, but I'm not sure. On this PC here (which hasn't been used with DVB boxes for a while) I have:

C:&#92;WINDOWS&#92;system32&#92;drivers

07/07/2009 17:06 34,328 DVBNet.sys
08/05/2008 19:33 49,024 dvbusbs2102.sys

C:&#92;Program Files&#92;DVB World&#92;

08/09/2009 23:09 999,424 DVB World.exe

I think you must have the DVBNet.sys driver installed otherwise the box wouldn't appear as a network device. It's not impossible that the lack of on-board audio is the issue, although dozens will probably come back and say is doesn't matter.

It does sound like a network settings issue - I can only suggest checking again. Perhaps even removing the TechniSat card (and noting which slot it's come from).

Oh, one other thing, if you have had multiple attempts there /could/ be a device which is not showing in the Device Manager. Check the "Show hidden devices" option. Also, see:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/241257
or:
http://www.go4expert.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4229

which explain how to show "not present" devices, as well as "hidden" devices. However, usually those non-present devices simply stop you choosing the IP address they were using.

I hope something there helps!

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk


Re: Fires in Ra's Lanuf

Alan Banks <alan@...>
 

Hi Martin
Well spotted.
Cheers

Alan

On 11/03/2011 20:58, Martin Bruchanov wrote:
I made animation from today afternoon:

http://bruxy.regnet.cz/web/meteosat/EN/libya-fires-2011/


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Some time back I bought a pair of those Dexatek boxes, before the DVB
World ones were available from the GEO Shop. I'm using one (on PC
Gemini) and Ian is using the other, and I'm completely happy with
mine.
David,
I got pretty far tonight, although again not without some obstacles in the
way, and I am not yet quite there.

Hardware: i-Tek Sphere.
The installation software (incl. driver) on the included CD, started from their
menue, stalled at the time of driver installation (installing drivers, please
wait.... endlessly). The same with the V3.0 software from DVB World.

Uninstall everything, start over again. New hardware found, manual
selection of the DVBS2102USB driver. Driver installation runs through, I'm
Mr. Happy, until - the box appears as an Audio Video device now. Now
install the software only (V. 3.0 from DVB World again), it misses the audio
part (no wonder, I disabled onboard-audio in the BIOS when I set up this
PC, keeping it slim). But it starts, I can configure EB9, have to add all PIDs
manually, 'Testbild' appears in the programme list (this confirms that the
LNB looks at the right spot), but there is no image. Probably because of the
missing audio. No data taffic either, though. Quality about 82 %, strength
about 72%.
Start IP is refused - a warning dialogue (well, monologue): There is a
problem with your DVB interface...
Now, the USB Box is listed as a network device. Setting the IP to
192.168.238.239 (and ~237 as the alternative address) does not help. The
Technisat-card is still in the PC, but the antenna cable leads from the LNB
to the USB-box now.

Any idea, anybody?

Still XP Pro...

Cheers,

U.


Fires in Ra's Lanuf

Martin Bruchanov
 

I made animation from today afternoon:

http://bruxy.regnet.cz/web/meteosat/EN/libya-fires-2011/

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Re: Geo usb2 box

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Ian, David, sure this has been of more than some help, specially with the
perspective lined oout by David. How can I get hold of that GEO Quarterly?
Print only, or also as an electron stream pattern?

You two and others here know that I am always in experimenting mode,
shelfware is for homies (sorry, some people, but... : no insult intended!) ...

What was the balance of ideas and time, David? Always offset-biased...

Cheers,
U.
Folks,

You can get the GEO Quarterly by joining GEO:

http://www.geo-web.org.uk/join.html

It's GBP 24 for European members, GBP 20 for UK members (prices held for the last four years), and PayPal and credit card payments are accepted. If you haven't seen the magazine, and the breadth very high quality of the articles, you have no idea what you're missing. Please do join and help support GEO - this year we have a Symposium in Leicester (7 May) and a trip to EUMETSAT and ESOC in Darmstadt (July 7 & 8) coming up. Details on the home page:

http://www.geo-web.org.uk/

At the moment, the GEO Quarterly is print only, although an electronic version has been discussed, but many people want to feel the magazine in their hands, and see the high-quality images on the page!

Cheers,
David
--
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

An: <MSG-1@yahoogroups.com>
Von: "Ian Deans" <iandeans142@btinternet.com>
Datum: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:40:49 -0000
Betreff: Re: [MSG-1] Geo usb2 box
Antwort an: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com

Hope that has been of some help.
Ian, David, sure this has been of more than some help, specially with the
perspective lined oout by David. How can I get hold of that GEO Quarterly?
Print only, or also as an electron stream pattern?

You two and others here know that I am always in experimenting mode,
shelfware is for homies (sorry, some people, but... : no insult intended!) ...

What was the balance of ideas and time, David? Always offset-biased...

Cheers,
U.


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ian Deans
 

Hello Ulrich,

I have been using a Dexatek USB Box now for well over 3 years and it has worked perfectly on a 1 computer system. The box I am using was actually a spare one David had and he helped me set it up here using the instructions still available on his site.

I had bought a new computer earlier that year with Vista installed ( that operating system had just been launched then ) and my SkyStar card was causing severe losses and in spite of weeks of experimenting and testing I was unable to resolve the problem.

The Dexatek box and the DVBWorld boxes sold by GEO are identical inside and the Dexatek box uses DVBWorld drivers but has its own software although I run DVBWorld drivers and software on my Dexatek Box. Software and drivers from DVBWorld particularly over the last 2/3 years have problems. However I have tested and tried every driver and software available ( 64 bit only ) and can get them all working OK.

I would very strongly recommend you trying the Dexatek box,but if you download the latest Dexatek drivers / software from their site ( see below ) and dated 16/6/2009 you should find these OK.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&;sl=de&u=http://www.dexatek.com/Download.asp&;ei=LCh5Tc3WK9GJhQfdkNn7Bg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddexatek%2Bdrivers%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns

Hope that has been of some help.

Regards
Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ulrich G. Kliegis
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:14 PM
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MSG-1] Geo usb2 box




If you were using an old Technisat box it would be USB 1 and they are
no longer suitable for Eumetcast as they cannot handle the high data
rates.
Ian,
a week ago, I did not know yet that I had a missing packets problem. After
installing MRTG, this became apparent, and since then, things have got
worse with each step I do. I defragmented my disks, adjusted the
"parameters" in recv.ini, maximized the signal strength from the LNB, but
nothing is what it was any longer. Last night, lifting the priority of tc-rcv.exe
(both instances) to 'realtime' seemed to stop all problems, zero missing
packets for hours, but then it started again after just changing the maximal
bandwidth a bit.

You can trace this all back on http://eumetmon.rummelecke.de/index.html

David said the 0 BER value says more or less nothing about the real quality
of the Technisat PCI 2.6D card's signal quality.

Now, I have a Dexatek i-Tek Sphere USB box here, would the effort of
installing that ( I read somewhere that the startup-parameters setting is a bit
awkward) be worth a try? And is it still fast enough? - I just want my nice
RSS sequences back, and all the other good stuff I had before... since I
started this somewhen around 2003... Sigh.

Cheers,
U.


Re: Geo usb2 box

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

Ian,
[]
Now, I have a Dexatek i-Tek Sphere USB box here, would the effort of
installing that ( I read somewhere that the startup-parameters setting is a bit
awkward) be worth a try? And is it still fast enough? - I just want my nice
RSS sequences back, and all the other good stuff I had before... since I
started this somewhen around 2003... Sigh.

Cheers,
U.
Ulrich,

Some time back I bought a pair of those Dexatek boxes, before the DVB World ones were available from the GEO Shop. I'm using one (on PC Gemini) and Ian is using the other, and I'm completely happy with mine. It handles Meteosat-9, EARS-AVHRR, MODIS-L1 and Metop AVHRR. I expect it would cope with Meteosat-8 at the same time (it certainly will if the DVB World box can), but I haven't actually run that myself. You can see PC Gemini's performance here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_gemini.php

It's running Windows Vista (32-bit) and while it's not lossless, all missed packets (say 10 a day) are usually recovered. At this instant, it's actually running the unreleased TelliCast 2.5.17 client. In addition to EUMETCast reception and processing, it also runs the Kinetic SBS-1 Base Station (virtual radar) hardware and software, and the Plane Plotter software, plus a couple of related add-ons.

The only area where is doesn't do as well as other PCs is in timekeeping, but it's usually within 10 milliseconds or so.

Now I am /not/ recommending that you change, but if you are in experimenting mode it's certainly worth a test. As Arne shows in the present GEO Quarterly (how to receive both EUMETCast and ENVISAT on the /same/ PC), you can actually have /both/ the PCI card and the USB box running at the same time, if you give them different IP addresses. Of course, in your case, only one would be working at any one time, but it means there's no need to uninstall the "other" software. Set the newly added box to 192.168.238.239. Beware that, as usual, the network interface numbers are likely to change, affecting MRTG.

Cheers,
David
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk


Re-Re: Geo usb2 box

duncan
 

Yes, i guess i found this out ha ha .
Regards Duncan


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

If you were using an old Technisat box it would be USB 1 and they are
no longer suitable for Eumetcast as they cannot handle the high data
rates.
Ian,
a week ago, I did not know yet that I had a missing packets problem. After
installing MRTG, this became apparent, and since then, things have got
worse with each step I do. I defragmented my disks, adjusted the
"parameters" in recv.ini, maximized the signal strength from the LNB, but
nothing is what it was any longer. Last night, lifting the priority of tc-rcv.exe
(both instances) to 'realtime' seemed to stop all problems, zero missing
packets for hours, but then it started again after just changing the maximal
bandwidth a bit.

You can trace this all back on http://eumetmon.rummelecke.de/index.html

David said the 0 BER value says more or less nothing about the real quality
of the Technisat PCI 2.6D card's signal quality.

Now, I have a Dexatek i-Tek Sphere USB box here, would the effort of
installing that ( I read somewhere that the startup-parameters setting is a bit
awkward) be worth a try? And is it still fast enough? - I just want my nice
RSS sequences back, and all the other good stuff I had before... since I
started this somewhen around 2003... Sigh.

Cheers,
U.


Re: Geo usb2 box

Ian Deans
 

Good news Duncan that you are now running without losses.

If you were using an old Technisat box it would be USB 1 and they are no longer suitable for Eumetcast as they cannot handle the high data rates. It is worth mentioning though that Technisat now have two USB 2 receivers that should work fine on Eumetcast.

Regards
Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Edwards
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:24 PM
To: MSG-1@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MSG-1] Geo usb2 box

Hi All
After having struggled for now it seems years with a few missing segments and chunks.
I am now the proud owner of the usb2 box from Geo.
from the install yesterday ,
to writting this i have experienced no missing segments and no missing chunks.
The reciever and all software has been running for 27hrs.
So it seems all my problems were down to my original
tecnisat usb box
I had to post this as i am so pleased with the results
so Thank you Geoonce again..........Duncan



------------------------------------


Geo usb2 box

duncan
 

Hi All
After having struggled for now it seems years with a few missing segments and chunks.
I am now the proud owner of the usb2 box from Geo.
from the install yesterday ,
to writting this i have experienced no missing segments and no missing chunks.
The reciever and all software has been running for 27hrs.
So it seems all my problems were down to my original
tecnisat usb box
I had to post this as i am so pleased with the results
so Thank you Geoonce again..........Duncan


Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇪🇺
 

David

You may have seen that on 07.03.2011 I had a day of receiving and processing Metop data and then yesterday virtually no data was received. Today data was again received but not processed as my temporary licence had expired.

I attempted to register but have been met with the message............www.satsignal.eu/software/reg-metop-manager..........Application not found.

This further strengthens my belief that there is something very odd about the original installation of this programme.

Please advise.

Regards..............Geoffrey

Geoffrey, you should find that this URL works - I just checked it.

https://gbp.swreg.org/soft_shop/50031/shopscr9.shtml

Cheers,
David
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Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk


Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

David

You may have seen that on 07.03.2011 I had a day of receiving and processing Metop data and then yesterday virtually no data was received. Today data was again received but not processed as my temporary licence had expired.

I attempted to register but have been met with the message............www.satsignal.eu/software/reg-metop-manager..........Application not found.

This further strengthens my belief that there is something very odd about the original installation of this programme.

Please advise.

Regards..............Geoffrey


Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Ian & Alan

Last week when I raised my problems with Eumetsat and asked them to check my connections they confirmed that i was correctly connected and also asked for a whole mass of information.

Below is the answer.

Regards........................Geoffrey




Notification No : 300014191

Dear Geoffrey Gee,

Subject : 300014191 EUMETCast Reception Issues

I have received the below for you from our engineer

**********************
First thing, his recv-channels.ini file is configured to write data into
the:
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel EPS-10

If as he says in his e-mails, he wants it in just �EPS-10� he should
change the entry to be:
target_directory=C:&#92;received&#92;EPS-10

Looking in his recv.log he is getting a file occasionally, e.g.:
VRB:2011-03-06 19:29:45.811:Delivered file `C:&#92;received&#92;Data Channel
EPS-10&#92;AVHR_xxx_1B_M02_20110306175503Z_20110306175803Z_N_O_
20110306192640Z' id 4d73e083001b5a4d from channel `EPS-10'

A big HOWEVER, there any many many:

MSG:2011-03-06 19:25:37.976:Channel "EUMETSAT Data Channel 2": Lost
message 382 (message lost)

MSG:2011-03-06 19:25:37.976:Channel "EUMETSAT Data Channel 2": Lost
message 383 (message lost)

Type messages in his recv.log. This points to either a reception or
performance problem. As the MSG data are fine (and have been for a few
years) I suspect that the problem is related to the performance of his
PC � the most likely suspect being the disk performance. He does not
appear to have a RAMDISK installed, I would strongly recommend he does
this as the EPS data are disk intensive. He should read the relevant
sections of the trouble shooting guide (D1, D9, D12)

*******************

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