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Re: METOP

e.macgurk@...
 

--- In MSG-1@..., "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I have been reading with interest all the posts regarding METOP,to be
fair iv only just downloaded and had a go 2 or 3 times, on all occasions
the problem iv had is when i check the log file in the telicast shell it
reads " the date and time followed by a number then message lost (lost
message)" in active channels the anouncement channel and ESP 10 are
green and connected.
i do use the same PC for MSG data managar with great success, but i dont
run the 2 at the same time, i have been switching off data channel 2 and
3 used for MSG, then activating ESP 10, as mentiond the channel is
connecting but all i am getting is hours worth of lost messages, i have
not gone down the route of using a RAM disc, but this is my next
challenge.
please could i have any thoughts with the issue of constant lost
messages when using METOP data channels.

Thankyou.

Eric.
Eric,

A RAMdisk is essential with the TelliCast 2.4.4 client for receiving both
Metop and other data, and I have written some suggestions here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/RAMdisk.html

There are a number of excellent, free programs available. I would
normally recommend a 300MB RAMdisk.

I have a couple of systems here which, on a single PC, both receive and
process Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR and Metop AVHRR data, essentially without
loss. One is an AMD system with an AMD-64 X2 4400 processor, Windows
Vista-32, and 2GB of memory (also running SBS Virtual Radar and Plane
Plotter), and the other is a more recent system with an Intel i5-760
processor, Windows-7 64-bit, and 8GB of memory. As it happens, both those
systems are running an unreleased TelliCast 2.5.17 client, and are working
without a RAMdisk, and with USB receiver boxes (Dexatek on the AMD and DVB
World on the Intel, in case it matters).

So although EUMETSAT and I both recommend a two-PC setup (the receiver PC
can be a lower-powered Intel Atom box running 24 x 7) a well setup up,
single PC with a multi-core processor and 2GB+ memory can likely do the
job you need.

Cheers,
David
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Hi.

For your infomation i installed the RAMdisc today the ARsoft and its somthing i should have done weeks ago, within the hour i had Metop running perfectly or at least i was receiving Metop images, i set the max rate it would allow 127Mb and added NOT changed the 2 components within the T systems folder, after an hour to be dareing i then activated data channel 2 and 3 and started MSG data managar, once again there was no problems at all, i was running Metop and MSG on the same PC without any issues.
The link that David sent regarding setting up the RAM disc i found was very easy to follow.

Hope this helps.
Many thanks.

Kind Regards.

Eric.

Getting MRTG to work

Ulrich G. Kliegis
 

Hi all,
while trying to install MRTG on my receiver PC, I got stuck a little. XP Pro,
receiving functions work flawlessly (at least to my standards...). I studied
both the MRTG homepage and Davids pages on the installation of MRTG. I
have come so far as having run sucessfully perl cfgmaker@<mycomp>, as
described in the mrtg page. I guess the reason why I did not find it as a file
is that I did not add the --output option, and some more. At least, the
structure of the cfg file appeared in the DOS-box.

Now, that is still something I can try out alone, but David touches a few
topics in his page that are more than one of my short steps apart from each
other. Adding some options '~...noo' - where? In the mrtg config-file? And
other addenda? Where should they go, is it irrelevant, where in the config
file they are added, and so on. MRTG for Dummies...

Long story cut short: Is there any detailed how-to cookbook guide around, or
even an exemplary sample cfg file and some more steps of how to get it
working first locally, then also publicly?

Thanks in advance for any helpful hint!

Cheers,
U.

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
Are you trying to run the RAMdisk or is this without the RAMdisk?
When you say 'it does not appear in the Business TVip..received', do you mean that the directory you specified does not appear or that the directory is there but that no data appears in the received folder? Note that putting a directory in recv-channels.ini does not automatically result in the directory being created - you have to create that yourself - its a pointer to a directory.

Best regards - Alan

On 23/02/2011 7:18 PM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Alan

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, there was a mistake in the
received.ini file. No red T now but still no data for Metop the MSG data is
OK. when running on its own

One more problem. I have entered and checked the Metop entry in
recv.channels.ini exactly as in your instructions and it does not appear in
BusinessTV IP.....received. The other Data Channels are there.


Regards...........Geoffrey



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Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Alan

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, there was a mistake in the received.ini file. No red T now but still no data for Metop the MSG data is OK. when running on its own

One more problem. I have entered and checked the Metop entry in recv.channels.ini exactly as in your instructions and it does not appear in BusinessTV IP.....received. The other Data Channels are there.


Regards...........Geoffrey

Re-.New to Metop

duncan
 

Hi Geoffrey I can see your having problems .i am no computer whizz but i have trouble free Metop and avhrr so i will explain what i have here .I use Dataram ramdisk and it is set at 299mb i run it at the default letter G and save the image ect. .I then go to my rec-ini and have set the letter to G also..........
file_database_directory=G:&#92;receiving/tmp. i have then set in the parameters section......file_database_size=312000000 this may be wrong but i have no missing segments and have had no trouble with this configuration. I find the Dataram ramdisk works for me and is easy to setup...Best regards Duncan

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
The pink T should come up even with none of the processing software running (such as MSG Data Manager, Metop Manager, AVHRR Manager.)
If it does not, you must have made a change to either recv.ini or channels.ini, or messed up the Sky Star settings (PIDs). Probably recv.ini as you have to modify that for the RAMdisk.

Best regards - Alan S

On 23/02/2011 4:45 PM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Ian

Just to keep you up to date. My attempt to install ARsoft Ram Disk has
caused so much trouble I have uninstalled it . Alan & David have mailed a
lot of information which I will try and digest.

As a matter of interest this attempt with Ram Disk has thoroughly up set
the
Technisat programme as I am left with a red T when trying to run Metop and
no data coming in. When I switch back to running MSG DM the pink T returns
and all runs correctly as it has done for years. There appears to be no
change in the received.ini or else where and the settings are as you
recommended.

Regards...............Geoffrey

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New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Ian

Just to keep you up to date. My attempt to install ARsoft Ram Disk has caused so much trouble I have uninstalled it . Alan & David have mailed a lot of information which I will try and digest.

As a matter of interest this attempt with Ram Disk has thoroughly up set the Technisat programme as I am left with a red T when trying to run Metop and no data coming in. When I switch back to running MSG DM the pink T returns and all runs correctly as it has done for years. There appears to be no change in the received.ini or else where and the settings are as you recommended.

Regards...............Geoffrey

Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

David and Geoffrey,
I don't think Geoffrey is taking as much data in as you on Feenix. I
take Met9, Metop A and N19, RSS and AVHRR and have never used more than
the 128 MB mentioned. Current value is 59 MB after a while of running.
I'm just telling him what works for me and the settings needed to
achieve that.

Best regards - Alan S
Some of the MODIS L1 data contains the largest files - checking yesterday there were files up to 82MB. As these are sent at the same time as other data, adding your 59MB to MODIS 82MB gets you into the region of my 153MB. It was quite a change in FSY size when the MODIS data was added to EUMETCast. As you say, you can get away with less if you're taking less data.

By the way, the MODIS-L1 1km resolution imagery contains more channels than the standard AVHRR data, allow you to play rather more, and is well worth a look:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/modis-L1-viewer.html

I recall that you need to ask EUMETSAT to enable you for the data, and it comes in on channel 4.

Cheers,
David
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Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

David and Geoffrey,
I don't think Geoffrey is taking as much data in as you on Feenix. I take Met9, Metop A and N19, RSS and AVHRR and have never used more than the 128 MB mentioned. Current value is 59 MB after a while of running. I'm just telling him what works for me and the settings needed to achieve that.

Best regards - Alan S

On 23/02/2011 12:36 PM, David J Taylor wrote:
After installing the software, you set it up by going into Device
Manager and selecting RAMdisk, where you can set the Drive letter, drive
size and other parameters (I use B:, 128MB, FAT and the defaults).

I hope I have given you enough information to get started with the
RAMdisk. If you choose drive letter B:, don't forget to put this in
recv.ini: file_database_directory=B:&#92;receiving in the [locations]
section together with file_database_size=118000000 in the [parameters]
section at the end.

Good luck - Alan S
Alan,

Good to hear your recommendation for some other RAMdisk software. Current
recommendations from EUMETSAT are for 300MB of RAMdisk, which would then
allow a setting of

file_database_size=313000000

in the recv.ini, allowing a little margin (300MB is 314,572,800 bytes, the
the disk structures take a little space). If the RAMdisk can only be set
to 256MB, then use

file_database_size=266000000

and remember to count the number of zeroes! You can see what I've needed
on my own system taking Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR, MODIS-L1 and Metop/N19
world-wide AVHRR/GAC data here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/feenix-fsy.html

As you can see, after a restart on Saturday, it's already up to 153MB, and
did get up to near the 300MB limit during the snows of early December and
late January.

Cheers,
David
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Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

After installing the software, you set it up by going into Device
Manager and selecting RAMdisk, where you can set the Drive letter, drive
size and other parameters (I use B:, 128MB, FAT and the defaults).

I hope I have given you enough information to get started with the
RAMdisk. If you choose drive letter B:, don't forget to put this in
recv.ini: file_database_directory=B:&#92;receiving in the [locations]
section together with file_database_size=118000000 in the [parameters]
section at the end.

Good luck - Alan S
Alan,

Good to hear your recommendation for some other RAMdisk software. Current recommendations from EUMETSAT are for 300MB of RAMdisk, which would then allow a setting of

file_database_size=313000000

in the recv.ini, allowing a little margin (300MB is 314,572,800 bytes, the the disk structures take a little space). If the RAMdisk can only be set to 256MB, then use

file_database_size=266000000

and remember to count the number of zeroes! You can see what I've needed on my own system taking Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR, MODIS-L1 and Metop/N19 world-wide AVHRR/GAC data here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/feenix-fsy.html

As you can see, after a restart on Saturday, it's already up to 153MB, and did get up to near the 300MB limit during the snows of early December and late January.

Cheers,
David
--
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Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...

Re: New to Metop

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

Alan

Thank you for your mail. I will be very pleased to take up your offer on how
to install QSOFT.

Regards.........Geoffrey
Geoffrey,

You will find information about installing RAMdisks, with screen shots here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/RAMdisk.html

One suggestion is the "Dataram RAMDisk - Windows 7, Windows Vista, XP, Server" from:

http://memory.dataram.com/products-and-services/software/ramdisk?

Please note that you will need to edit your TelliCast recv.ini file to move the temporary FSY files it uses onto that RAMdisk.

This will only reduce the data losses. I would suggest making sure that you are getting at least /some/ Metop data before making any further changes. It could be that your existing FSY files are not big enough to take the relatively large Metop files. Check the parameter:

file_database_size

in your present recv.ini file.

Cheers,
David
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Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
The best place to start is to Google 'QSOFT RAMdisk 5210' Which will return a lot of sites dealing with this software. The 5210 refers to the version which is the free one that I use. There is a version Enterprise or 5318 which requires a payment of about $10 via Paypal. I suggest you stay with the old (standard) version for now.

Useful links are:
Free version of software:
<http://members.fortunecity.com/ramdisk/RAMDisk/ramdiskfree.htm>
useful info:
<http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/05/27/free-ramdisk-for-windows-vista-xp-2000-and-2003-server/>
More info on the Enterprise version and installation instructions:
<http://members.fortunecity.com/ramdisk/RAMDisk/ramdiskent.htm>

After installing the software, you set it up by going into Device Manager and selecting RAMdisk, where you can set the Drive letter, drive size and other parameters (I use B:, 128MB, FAT and the defaults).

I hope I have given you enough information to get started with the RAMdisk. If you choose drive letter B:, don't forget to put this in recv.ini: file_database_directory=B:&#92;receiving in the [locations] section together with file_database_size=118000000 in the [parameters] section at the end.

Good luck - Alan S

On 22/02/2011 5:33 PM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Alan

Thank you for your mail. I will be very pleased to take up your offer on how
to install QSOFT.

Regards.........Geoffrey



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Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Alan

Thank you for your mail. I will be very pleased to take up your offer on how to install QSOFT.

Regards.........Geoffrey

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
I use the QSoft RAMdisk (v.5210) software and it has worked flawlessly for me for number of years. It is set to give me a 128 MB RAMdisk, which has proven adequate for the data I take.

I can give you more details on how to install it if you wish.

Best regards - Alan S

On 22/02/2011 11:13 AM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Ian
Thanks for your quick reply. If you are having to " think a bit ". Have you
seen David's mail this morning in answer to another Metop query.
I do not know if it is relevant to my problem having tried to use Arksoft.

Regards.....Geoffrey



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Re: New to Metop

geoffreygee90
 

Ian
Thanks for your quick reply. If you are having to " think a bit ". Have you seen David's mail this morning in answer to another Metop query.
I do not know if it is relevant to my problem having tried to use Arksoft.

Regards.....Geoffrey

Re: New to Metop

Ian Deans
 

Hello Geoffrey.

Just got your mail very late last night as I was away most of the day yesterday. I will get back to you later today as I will be away from the computer until the afternoon.

I will also need to think back a little as I have not used a RAMdisk now for about 6 months as I am running a new ( and not to be released ) version of Tellicast 2.5.17 which does not require a RAMdisk.

Regards
Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Gee
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 3:05 PM
To: MSG1 Yahoo Group
Subject: [MSG-1] New to Metop

Ian

Our success did not last long. I received data for two half days with
missing chunks. As suggested by you I have set up a RAMdisk using Arnes
instructions in his article in GEO N0 6. The result I regret to say was that
I now get no Metop data.

Any suggestions please.

Regards.......Geoffrey

Re: METOP

David J Taylor GM8ARV 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί
 

Hi all.

I have been reading with interest all the posts regarding METOP,to be fair iv only just downloaded and had a go 2 or 3 times, on all occasions the problem iv had is when i check the log file in the telicast shell it reads " the date and time followed by a number then message lost (lost message)" in active channels the anouncement channel and ESP 10 are green and connected.
i do use the same PC for MSG data managar with great success, but i dont run the 2 at the same time, i have been switching off data channel 2 and 3 used for MSG, then activating ESP 10, as mentiond the channel is connecting but all i am getting is hours worth of lost messages, i have not gone down the route of using a RAM disc, but this is my next challenge.
please could i have any thoughts with the issue of constant lost messages when using METOP data channels.

Thankyou.

Eric.
Eric,

A RAMdisk is essential with the TelliCast 2.4.4 client for receiving both Metop and other data, and I have written some suggestions here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/wxsat/Dexatek/RAMdisk.html

There are a number of excellent, free programs available. I would normally recommend a 300MB RAMdisk.

I have a couple of systems here which, on a single PC, both receive and process Meteosat-9, EARS AVHRR and Metop AVHRR data, essentially without loss. One is an AMD system with an AMD-64 X2 4400 processor, Windows Vista-32, and 2GB of memory (also running SBS Virtual Radar and Plane Plotter), and the other is a more recent system with an Intel i5-760 processor, Windows-7 64-bit, and 8GB of memory. As it happens, both those systems are running an unreleased TelliCast 2.5.17 client, and are working without a RAMdisk, and with USB receiver boxes (Dexatek on the AMD and DVB World on the Intel, in case it matters).

So although EUMETSAT and I both recommend a two-PC setup (the receiver PC can be a lower-powered Intel Atom box running 24 x 7) a well setup up, single PC with a multi-core processor and 2GB+ memory can likely do the job you need.

Cheers,
David
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METOP

e.macgurk@...
 

Hi all.

I have been reading with interest all the posts regarding METOP,to be fair iv only just downloaded and had a go 2 or 3 times, on all occasions the problem iv had is when i check the log file in the telicast shell it reads " the date and time followed by a number then message lost (lost message)" in active channels the anouncement channel and ESP 10 are green and connected.
i do use the same PC for MSG data managar with great success, but i dont run the 2 at the same time, i have been switching off data channel 2 and 3 used for MSG, then activating ESP 10, as mentiond the channel is connecting but all i am getting is hours worth of lost messages, i have not gone down the route of using a RAM disc, but this is my next challenge.
please could i have any thoughts with the issue of constant lost messages when using METOP data channels.

Thankyou.

Eric.

Re: New to Metop

Alan Sewards
 

Geoffrey,
Did you remember to change the file_database_directory in recv.ini to the path produced by your RAMdisk? In my case the RAMdisk is B: and the line in recv.ini is:
file_database_directory=B:&#92;receiving

Best regards - Alan S

On 21/02/2011 4:05 PM, Geoffrey Gee wrote:
Ian

Our success did not last long. I received data for two half days with
missing chunks. As suggested by you I have set up a RAMdisk using Arnes
instructions in his article in GEO N0 6. The result I regret to say was
that
I now get no Metop data.

Any suggestions please.

Regards.......Geoffrey

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Re: New to Metop

James Brown
 

In message <5E5D759AE4164FB3A805A6F459F7F6E7@NEWDELL>, Geoffrey Gee <geogee@...> writes
Ian

Our success did not last long. I received data for two half days with
missing chunks. As suggested by you I have set up a RAMdisk using Arnes
instructions in his article in GEO N0 6. The result I regret to say was that
I now get no Metop data.

Any suggestions please.

Regards.......Geoffrey
Hello Geoffrey,

Before Ian responds could I suggest that you indicate how you have implemented the ram drive - i.e. what letter you have assigned to it, and what size it is.

Then could you show how you have changed your recv.ini to point to the ram drive.

Also what did you put on the ram drive - was it just a tmp file - or did you add other directories?

Finally are there files building up in the ram drive - how full is it?

That will help Ian and others to assist.

Cheers

James
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